Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


Yup. Been there, done that. More than once. Getting a kick out of
Trump's "tax plan," by the way, the plan without numbers that seems to
give even more relief to the super rich and drives up the deficit. What
have those morons running the GOP actually been doing the last nine months?

Repealing the ACA...oh, wait.


What is Affordable about the ACA?

On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 17:35:33 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 15:38:03 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You mean, as in the Eisenhower era, when tax rates were so much higher?

People ignore the fact that there were a lot more loopholes in the
code that allowed anyone but game show winners and a few high salaried
people to shelter most of their income so that 90% rate did not affect
them that much. It is like Buffett (Warren or Jimmy) who pay a tax
rate around 12-15% in spite of a top rate of 39.6%.


Actually their tax rate is really a lot higher. All those dividends taxed
at the 20% capital gains rate were already taxed at the highest corporation
tax rate in the world. 39%. So that makes those double taxed dividends at
about 51%.

Warren says his top to bottom line is 15% so there must be plenty of
loopholes in there. Since Berkshire Hathaway does not produce much, I
doubt he pays much of that 39% either.
After bitching about how low his tax rate is, he still hires the best
accountants money can buy to be sure that rate is as low as it can be.
There is a form he could file and pay more if he really feels so bad
about it but he would rather have the issue than do anything about it.

Jimmy is just a pirate and I am sure he uses Warren's accountant (or
one similarly well skilled) to keep his taxes low.

On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 18:52:49 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


Yup. Been there, done that. More than once. Getting a kick out of
Trump's "tax plan," by the way, the plan without numbers that seems to
give even more relief to the super rich and drives up the deficit. What
have those morons running the GOP actually been doing the last nine months?

Repealing the ACA...oh, wait.


What is Affordable about the ACA?

Nothing and that is what Rand Paul tried to point out when he talked
about why he said "nay". They were just moving around the government
money that funds this boondoggle. The original law was the "insurance
company, big pharma and doctor relief act of 2010". It just brought
customers to the insurance company at the point of a government gun
and threw massive amounts of borrowed money at them if they couldn't
pay. BTW most of those people who "would lose coverage" in these plans
are people who are paying the fine now because they don't want the
coverage. It is the necessary consequence of having to accept "pre
existing conditions". You can let people wait until they have a
horrible disease before they start buying insurance. Otherwise it is
not really insurance.

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On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 18:48:22 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


Life is far more complicated than it was in the 1950s and 1960s. I'm a
lifelong fan of newspapers and I used to read our hometown paper cover
to cover every night, including the classifieds, and there were
literally hundreds of jobs available and advertised every night for
unskilled, semi-skilled and skilled workers. This continued in the
1960s...I got summer jobs my first years in college via a couple of
local unions, because they couldn't fill the jobs any other way - there
was a shortage of workers. I worked at a boiler factory, a razor
factory, and a brewery over three successive summers, and for pretty
good pay. These companies were always looking for more workers. It was
easy to get a job. That's not true these days.


Yet 11 million (probably many more) latinos come here without any
significant education, not speaking the language, facing far more
discrimination than American "minorities" and still find work.


The ones who can and do speak English seem to do better.
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Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/28/17 1:35 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/28/17 11:59 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 09:28:50 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

The "super rich" are not getting a tax break.

What a laugh. For starters, total elimination of the Estate Tax.

I am not sure how many really rich people actually pay an estate tax
to begin with. Their money is usually buried in a trust. That really
seems to affect people who do not think of themselves as rich but
still have assets like land and equipment that they may actually be
upside down on.


The current deductible involving the estate tax is substantial.


Not if you own a California house.


The current deductible is about $6 million. When Trump claims that
cancellation of that estate tax won't benefit the rich (and himself), he
is full of ****. The GOP "plan" also calls for the elimination of the
Alternative Minimum Tax...something that also would have benefitted
Trump enormously in the past.

The GOP plan is little more than smoke and mirrors to put more $$$ in
the hands of the rich.


If you want more money in your hands, you need toget a job.
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"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 9/28/2017 2:27 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/28/17 1:35 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/28/17 11:59 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 09:28:50 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

The "super rich" are not getting a tax break.

What a laugh. For starters, total elimination of the Estate Tax.

I am not sure how many really rich people actually pay an estate tax
to begin with. Their money is usually buried in a trust. That really
seems to affect people who do not think of themselves as rich but
still have assets like land and equipment that they may actually be
upside down on.


The current deductible involving the estate tax is substantial.


Not if you own a California house.


The current deductible is about $6 million. When Trump claims that
cancellation of that estate tax won't benefit the rich (and himself), he
is full of ****. The GOP "plan" also calls for the elimination of the
Alternative Minimum Tax...something that also would have benefitted
Trump enormously in the past.



The GOP plan is little more than smoke and mirrors to put more $$$ in
the hands of the rich.

Funny. That's word for word, exactly what Pelosi said yesterday.
Seems the progressive liberal communication command center is hard at work.



What are the odds they are telepathically connected?
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On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 20:50:37 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Wrote in message:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 18:48:22 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


Life is far more complicated than it was in the 1950s and 1960s. I'm a
lifelong fan of newspapers and I used to read our hometown paper cover
to cover every night, including the classifieds, and there were
literally hundreds of jobs available and advertised every night for
unskilled, semi-skilled and skilled workers. This continued in the
1960s...I got summer jobs my first years in college via a couple of
local unions, because they couldn't fill the jobs any other way - there
was a shortage of workers. I worked at a boiler factory, a razor
factory, and a brewery over three successive summers, and for pretty
good pay. These companies were always looking for more workers. It was
easy to get a job. That's not true these days.


Yet 11 million (probably many more) latinos come here without any
significant education, not speaking the language, facing far more
discrimination than American "minorities" and still find work.


The ones who can and do speak English seem to do better.

It usually turns out most speak some english but they are not fluent
and are uncomfortable speaking it badly. My spanish is as bad or worse
than their english so after a minute of hearing me, they usually open
up with what they have and I give them what I have. We always do just
fine within the scope of what we need to communicate on the job.
Typically a crew will have one guy who does most of the talking but I
usually try to engage everyone.
With the Latino culture it is all about respect. If you respect them,
they will do their best for you. I reward that and it ends up being a
great venture for all of us.
My wife is the same way and she creates a gang of very loyal guys
around her.

On 9/28/2017 9:02 PM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 9/28/2017 2:27 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/28/17 1:35 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/28/17 11:59 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 09:28:50 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

The "super rich" are not getting a tax break.

What a laugh. For starters, total elimination of the Estate Tax.

I am not sure how many really rich people actually pay an estate tax
to begin with. Their money is usually buried in a trust. That really
seems to affect people who do not think of themselves as rich but
still have assets like land and equipment that they may actually be
upside down on.


The current deductible involving the estate tax is substantial.


Not if you own a California house.


The current deductible is about $6 million. When Trump claims that
cancellation of that estate tax won't benefit the rich (and himself), he
is full of ****. The GOP "plan" also calls for the elimination of the
Alternative Minimum Tax...something that also would have benefitted
Trump enormously in the past.



The GOP plan is little more than smoke and mirrors to put more $$$ in
the hands of the rich.

Funny. That's word for word, exactly what Pelosi said yesterday.
Seems the progressive liberal communication command center is hard at work.



What are the odds they are telepathically connected?



Doubtful. Telepathy requires brains. More likely that Harry is on the
progressive liberal "what to say" email list.

On 9/29/2017 9:10 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/29/17 12:01 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 20:50:37 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Wrote in message:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 18:48:22 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


Life is far more complicated than it was in the 1950s and 1960s. I'm a
lifelong fan of newspapers and I used to read our hometown paper cover
to cover every night, including the classifieds, and there were
literally hundreds of jobs available and advertised every night for
unskilled, semi-skilled and skilled workers. This continued in the
1960s...I got summer jobs my first years in college via a couple of
local unions, because they couldn't fill the jobs any other way -
there
was a shortage of workers. I worked at a boiler factory, a razor
factory, and a brewery over three successive summers, and for pretty
good pay. These companies were always looking for more workers. It was
easy to get a job. That's not true these days.


Yet 11 million (probably many more) latinos come here without any
significant education, not speaking the language, facing far more
discrimination than American "minorities" and still find work.


The ones who can and do speak English seem to do better.

It usually turns out most speak some english but they are not fluent
and are uncomfortable speaking it badly. My spanish is as bad or worse
than their english so after a minute of hearing me, they usually open
up with what they have and I give them what I have. We always do just
fine within the scope of what we need to communicate on the job.
Typically a crew will have one guy who does most of the talking but I
usually try to engage everyone.
With the Latino culture it is all about respect. If you respect them,
they will do their best for you. I reward that and it ends up being a
great venture for all of us.
My wife is the same way and she creates a gang of very loyal guys
around her.




I have endless respect for our Latino landscaper and his crew. They are
the hardest working people I know, and when they are here, we ply them
with iced tea, lunch, and lots of thanks.

Racist.

6:27 AMMr. Luddite
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On 9/29/2017 9:10 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/29/17 12:01 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 20:50:37 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Wrote in message:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 18:48:22 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


Life is far more complicated than it was in the 1950s and 1960s. I'm a
lifelong fan of newspapers and I used to read our hometown paper cover
to cover every night, including the classifieds, and there were
literally hundreds of jobs available and advertised every night for
unskilled, semi-skilled and skilled workers. This continued in the
1960s...I got summer jobs my first years in college via a couple of
local unions, because they couldn't fill the jobs any other way -
there
was a shortage of workers. I worked at a boiler factory, a razor
factory, and a brewery over three successive summers, and for pretty
good pay. These companies were always looking for more workers. It was
easy to get a job. That's not true these days.


Yet 11 million (probably many more) latinos come here without any
significant education, not speaking the language, facing far more
discrimination than American "minorities" and still find work.


The ones who can and do speak English seem to do better.

It usually turns out most speak some english but they are not fluent
and are uncomfortable speaking it badly. My spanish is as bad or worse
than their english so after a minute of hearing me, they usually open
up with what they have and I give them what I have. We always do just
fine within the scope of what we need to communicate on the job.
Typically a crew will have one guy who does most of the talking but I
usually try to engage everyone.
With the Latino culture it is all about respect. If you respect them,
they will do their best for you. I reward that and it ends up being a
great venture for all of us.
My wife is the same way and she creates a gang of very loyal guys
around her.




I have endless respect for our Latino landscaper and his crew. They are
the hardest working people I know, and when they are here, we ply them
with iced tea, lunch, and lots of thanks.

Racist.
....

T
Buttering up the scabs.