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justan September 18th 17 09:47 PM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off
 
True North Wrote in message:
On Monday, 18 September 2017 16:07:14 UTC-3, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/18/17 2:29 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

John H Wrote in message:




To get on the house roof I don't need a ladder. Can climb out a
bedroom window and then have access to entire roof with a step stool.


I don't do house roofs either. If I get four feet from the edge, severe
vertigo sets in. :-)



I remember the time I spent in Thunder Bay, Ontario, one week. Really,
really, really cold. And I saw crews shoveling snow off the roofs of
houses. Was told the home insurance companies paid for those crews
because it was a lot cheaper than replacing roofs that collapsed from
the 4' or more of snow load on them.

There was four to five feet of snow on the ground, too, so I guess if
the guys on the roofs fell off, they're be more likely to suffocate in a
snow bank than get seriously injured in a fall. :)

Amazingly, one night I was there when it snowed at least a foot, and the
next morning, early, the union rep from the local arrived on time to
pick me up. The streets had already been cleared. The snowbanks along
the curbs were huge.


I drove a rental to Thunder Bay once. Did what I had to do, and
got out. Kanada in the winter is for the birds.
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As I've said many times, Justine...it's no country for girliemen!


Yet Donella won't leave. I have a few friends whose Scottish
ancesters come to America via Nova Skosha. Would you call them
girly men?
--
x


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Mr. Luddite[_4_] September 19th 17 12:35 AM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off
 
On 9/18/2017 2:53 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/18/17 2:29 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

John H Wrote in message:





**To get on the house roof I don't need a ladder. Can climb out a
bedroom window and then have access to entire roof with a step stool.


I don't do house roofs either.* If I get four feet from the edge,
severe vertigo sets in.** :-)



I remember the time I spent in Thunder Bay, Ontario, one week. Really,
really, really cold. And I saw crews shoveling snow off the roofs of
houses. Was told the home insurance companies paid for those crews
because it was a lot cheaper than replacing roofs that collapsed from
the 4' or more of snow load on them.

There was four to five feet of snow on the ground, too, so I guess if
the guys on the roofs fell off, they're be more likely to suffocate in a
snow bank than get seriously injured in a fall.** :)

Amazingly, one night I was there when it snowed at least a foot, and the
next morning, early, the union rep from the local arrived on time to
pick me up. The streets had already been cleared. The snowbanks along
the curbs were huge.



You've certainly lived an exciting life.



Mr. Luddite[_4_] September 19th 17 12:47 AM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off
 
On 9/18/2017 3:14 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 14:29:22 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


John H Wrote in message:





To get on the house roof I don't need a ladder. Can climb out a
bedroom window and then have access to entire roof with a step stool.


I don't do house roofs either. If I get four feet from the edge, severe
vertigo sets in. :-)


I'll bet it's not vertigo. Most likely it's illyngophobia. I'll let you look it up. I realized I
sufferred from same when I took a motorcycle ride in the French Alps when I was about 63. It also
kicks in in places like the Grand Canyon, Canyonlands, anywhere there is a drop...including the high
part of my roof. I'm OK if I get on my butt and inch my way to the edge.



Sounds like what I experience. One of the Florida houses had a two
story high main living room with an overhead fan mounted from the
ceiling. The blades where dirty and I borrowed my neighbor's super high
step ladder figuring I'd climb up an clean them. When I got to where I
could reach the fan blades an overwhelming feeling of dizziness and
nauseousness overcame me and I had to clutch the ladder and close my
eyes otherwise I felt I would pass out and fall. It has happened on
ladders of lesser height as well, even last year when cleaning the
gutters and I was only 3/4 of the way up on a 12 foot stepladder.

It's weird because I've flown small airplanes and even a helicopter with
a big, 360 degree view bubble for a windshield. Never bothers me, even
practicing stalls and having the airplane start to fall out of the sky.
But a 12 foot ladder? No freakin' way.



Keyser Soze September 19th 17 12:56 AM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off
 
On 9/18/17 7:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/18/2017 2:53 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/18/17 2:29 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

John H Wrote in message:




**To get on the house roof I don't need a ladder. Can climb out a
bedroom window and then have access to entire roof with a step stool.


I don't do house roofs either.* If I get four feet from the edge,
severe vertigo sets in.** :-)



I remember the time I spent in Thunder Bay, Ontario, one week. Really,
really, really cold. And I saw crews shoveling snow off the roofs of
houses. Was told the home insurance companies paid for those crews
because it was a lot cheaper than replacing roofs that collapsed from
the 4' or more of snow load on them.

There was four to five feet of snow on the ground, too, so I guess if
the guys on the roofs fell off, they're be more likely to suffocate in
a snow bank than get seriously injured in a fall.** :)

Amazingly, one night I was there when it snowed at least a foot, and
the next morning, early, the union rep from the local arrived on time
to pick me up. The streets had already been cleared. The snowbanks
along the curbs were huge.



You've certainly lived an exciting life.



You think spending a business week in the height of winter in a small
city in Canada is exciting, eh? I was impressed by the great number of
Native American place names in the area, though I don't remember any of
them. Oh, and a Finnish restaurant where we had some interesting meals.

[email protected] September 19th 17 03:52 AM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off
 
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 14:53:08 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Amazingly, one night I was there when it snowed at least a foot, and the
next morning, early, the union rep from the local arrived on time to
pick me up. The streets had already been cleared. The snowbanks along
the curbs were huge.


===

That happens routinely in the "Lake Effect Snow Belts" on the south
side of Lake Ontario and Lake Erie. Even small towns budget millions
for snow removal.

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Bill[_12_] September 19th 17 03:53 AM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off
 
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/18/2017 3:14 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 14:29:22 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


John H Wrote in message:




To get on the house roof I don't need a ladder. Can climb out a
bedroom window and then have access to entire roof with a step stool.


I don't do house roofs either. If I get four feet from the edge, severe
vertigo sets in. :-)


I'll bet it's not vertigo. Most likely it's illyngophobia. I'll let you
look it up. I realized I
sufferred from same when I took a motorcycle ride in the French Alps
when I was about 63. It also
kicks in in places like the Grand Canyon, Canyonlands, anywhere there is a
drop...including the high
part of my roof. I'm OK if I get on my butt and inch my way to the edge.



Sounds like what I experience. One of the Florida houses had a two
story high main living room with an overhead fan mounted from the
ceiling. The blades where dirty and I borrowed my neighbor's super high
step ladder figuring I'd climb up an clean them. When I got to where I
could reach the fan blades an overwhelming feeling of dizziness and
nauseousness overcame me and I had to clutch the ladder and close my
eyes otherwise I felt I would pass out and fall. It has happened on
ladders of lesser height as well, even last year when cleaning the
gutters and I was only 3/4 of the way up on a 12 foot stepladder.

It's weird because I've flown small airplanes and even a helicopter with
a big, 360 degree view bubble for a windshield. Never bothers me, even
practicing stalls and having the airplane start to fall out of the sky.
But a 12 foot ladder? No freakin' way.




New an airline pilot years ago who was afraid of heights. Said the
airplane did not bother him.


[email protected] September 19th 17 06:07 AM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off
 
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 15:29:44 -0400, John H
wrote:

I did that in the pool once and it took a year to get over it


Did you bust the heel bone (calcaneus)? The ER doc said surgery with screws and plates. I'm hoping
she was exaggerating. But, the more I read about it, the less I like it!


I was afraid that was what it was but it was just a severely smashed
planar tendon. They talked about doing a lot of stuff but I just wore
cross trainers for about a year instead of my boat shoes and it got
better. I still get a twinge now and then but I am basically OK.

[email protected] September 19th 17 06:14 AM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off
 
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 19:47:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 9/18/2017 3:14 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 14:29:22 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


John H Wrote in message:




To get on the house roof I don't need a ladder. Can climb out a
bedroom window and then have access to entire roof with a step stool.


I don't do house roofs either. If I get four feet from the edge, severe
vertigo sets in. :-)


I'll bet it's not vertigo. Most likely it's illyngophobia. I'll let you look it up. I realized I
sufferred from same when I took a motorcycle ride in the French Alps when I was about 63. It also
kicks in in places like the Grand Canyon, Canyonlands, anywhere there is a drop...including the high
part of my roof. I'm OK if I get on my butt and inch my way to the edge.



Sounds like what I experience. One of the Florida houses had a two
story high main living room with an overhead fan mounted from the
ceiling. The blades where dirty and I borrowed my neighbor's super high
step ladder figuring I'd climb up an clean them. When I got to where I
could reach the fan blades an overwhelming feeling of dizziness and
nauseousness overcame me and I had to clutch the ladder and close my
eyes otherwise I felt I would pass out and fall. It has happened on
ladders of lesser height as well, even last year when cleaning the
gutters and I was only 3/4 of the way up on a 12 foot stepladder.

It's weird because I've flown small airplanes and even a helicopter with
a big, 360 degree view bubble for a windshield. Never bothers me, even
practicing stalls and having the airplane start to fall out of the sky.
But a 12 foot ladder? No freakin' way.


I don't seem to have the problem. I can just forget I am 15 feet in
the air and do my job. I am pretty careful setting up my ladder and I
usually have a bail out plan (something I can grab, a soft place to
land or something) The trick ends up turning a fall into a jump if you
know you are going down and hope for the best.

Mr. Luddite[_4_] September 19th 17 08:12 AM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off
 
On 9/19/2017 1:14 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 19:47:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 9/18/2017 3:14 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 14:29:22 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


John H Wrote in message:




To get on the house roof I don't need a ladder. Can climb out a
bedroom window and then have access to entire roof with a step stool.


I don't do house roofs either. If I get four feet from the edge, severe
vertigo sets in. :-)


I'll bet it's not vertigo. Most likely it's illyngophobia. I'll let you look it up. I realized I
sufferred from same when I took a motorcycle ride in the French Alps when I was about 63. It also
kicks in in places like the Grand Canyon, Canyonlands, anywhere there is a drop...including the high
part of my roof. I'm OK if I get on my butt and inch my way to the edge.



Sounds like what I experience. One of the Florida houses had a two
story high main living room with an overhead fan mounted from the
ceiling. The blades where dirty and I borrowed my neighbor's super high
step ladder figuring I'd climb up an clean them. When I got to where I
could reach the fan blades an overwhelming feeling of dizziness and
nauseousness overcame me and I had to clutch the ladder and close my
eyes otherwise I felt I would pass out and fall. It has happened on
ladders of lesser height as well, even last year when cleaning the
gutters and I was only 3/4 of the way up on a 12 foot stepladder.

It's weird because I've flown small airplanes and even a helicopter with
a big, 360 degree view bubble for a windshield. Never bothers me, even
practicing stalls and having the airplane start to fall out of the sky.
But a 12 foot ladder? No freakin' way.


I don't seem to have the problem. I can just forget I am 15 feet in
the air and do my job. I am pretty careful setting up my ladder and I
usually have a bail out plan (something I can grab, a soft place to
land or something) The trick ends up turning a fall into a jump if you
know you are going down and hope for the best.


I doubt all the preparedness in the world would prevent the feeling I
get on a ladder or on a roof, especially near the edge. I've been told
it's really an anxiety attack. I've tried the mind over matter thing,
willing myself not to freak out but when it hits all you can do is wrap
your arms around the ladder and close your eyes until it passes.



Mr. Luddite[_4_] September 19th 17 08:16 AM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off
 
On 9/18/2017 10:52 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 14:53:08 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Amazingly, one night I was there when it snowed at least a foot, and the
next morning, early, the union rep from the local arrived on time to
pick me up. The streets had already been cleared. The snowbanks along
the curbs were huge.


===

That happens routinely in the "Lake Effect Snow Belts" on the south
side of Lake Ontario and Lake Erie. Even small towns budget millions
for snow removal.

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I've spent a total of months in Canada on projects over the years. Never
saw snow like they get in Rochester, New York though. One of my longest
day trips to the University of Rochester lasted over a week. Snow
started and I couldn't get out.



True North[_2_] September 19th 17 02:19 PM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off
 
On Monday, 18 September 2017 17:47:28 UTC-3, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
On Monday, 18 September 2017 16:07:14 UTC-3, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/18/17 2:29 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

John H Wrote in message:




To get on the house roof I don't need a ladder. Can climb out a
bedroom window and then have access to entire roof with a step stool.


I don't do house roofs either. If I get four feet from the edge, severe
vertigo sets in. :-)



I remember the time I spent in Thunder Bay, Ontario, one week. Really,
really, really cold. And I saw crews shoveling snow off the roofs of
houses. Was told the home insurance companies paid for those crews
because it was a lot cheaper than replacing roofs that collapsed from
the 4' or more of snow load on them.

There was four to five feet of snow on the ground, too, so I guess if
the guys on the roofs fell off, they're be more likely to suffocate in a
snow bank than get seriously injured in a fall. :)

Amazingly, one night I was there when it snowed at least a foot, and the
next morning, early, the union rep from the local arrived on time to
pick me up. The streets had already been cleared. The snowbanks along
the curbs were huge.


I drove a rental to Thunder Bay once. Did what I had to do, and
got out. Kanada in the winter is for the birds.
--
x


----Android NewsGroup Reader----
http://usenet.sinaapp.com/



As I've said many times, Justine...it's no country for girliemen!


Yet Donella won't leave. I have a few friends whose Scottish
ancesters come to America via Nova Skosha. Would you call them
girly men?
--
x


----Android NewsGroup Reader----
http://usenet.sinaapp.com/




No silly, I'm calling y'all a girlieman.

justan September 19th 17 02:59 PM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off
 
True North Wrote in message:
On Monday, 18 September 2017 17:47:28 UTC-3, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
On Monday, 18 September 2017 16:07:14 UTC-3, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/18/17 2:29 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

John H Wrote in message:




To get on the house roof I don't need a ladder. Can climb out a
bedroom window and then have access to entire roof with a step stool.


I don't do house roofs either. If I get four feet from the edge, severe
vertigo sets in. :-)



I remember the time I spent in Thunder Bay, Ontario, one week. Really,
really, really cold. And I saw crews shoveling snow off the roofs of
houses. Was told the home insurance companies paid for those crews
because it was a lot cheaper than replacing roofs that collapsed from
the 4' or more of snow load on them.

There was four to five feet of snow on the ground, too, so I guess if
the guys on the roofs fell off, they're be more likely to suffocate in a
snow bank than get seriously injured in a fall. :)

Amazingly, one night I was there when it snowed at least a foot, and the
next morning, early, the union rep from the local arrived on time to
pick me up. The streets had already been cleared. The snowbanks along
the curbs were huge.


I drove a rental to Thunder Bay once. Did what I had to do, and
got out. Kanada in the winter is for the birds.
--
x


----Android NewsGroup Reader----
http://usenet.sinaapp.com/


As I've said many times, Justine...it's no country for girliemen!


Yet Donella won't leave. I have a few friends whose Scottish
ancesters come to America via Nova Skosha. Would you call them
girly men?
--
x


----Android NewsGroup Reader----
http://usenet.sinaapp.com/




No silly, I'm calling y'all a girlieman.


They were smart not to stay. You, not so much. What do you expect
from a weakling who needs a power assist tongue wheel to push his
little 14' aluminum boat around his little 4000 sf house
lot.
In summation, who cares what a bowlegged, girlish, dumb, beer
swilling weakling from crime city Kanada has to say.

PS: Good luck with your house painting. We'll be watching, via
maps, how the job progresses over the next several
years.
--
x


----Android NewsGroup Reader----
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John H[_2_] September 19th 17 03:20 PM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off
 
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 19:47:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 9/18/2017 3:14 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 14:29:22 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


John H Wrote in message:




To get on the house roof I don't need a ladder. Can climb out a
bedroom window and then have access to entire roof with a step stool.


I don't do house roofs either. If I get four feet from the edge, severe
vertigo sets in. :-)


I'll bet it's not vertigo. Most likely it's illyngophobia. I'll let you look it up. I realized I
sufferred from same when I took a motorcycle ride in the French Alps when I was about 63. It also
kicks in in places like the Grand Canyon, Canyonlands, anywhere there is a drop...including the high
part of my roof. I'm OK if I get on my butt and inch my way to the edge.



Sounds like what I experience. One of the Florida houses had a two
story high main living room with an overhead fan mounted from the
ceiling. The blades where dirty and I borrowed my neighbor's super high
step ladder figuring I'd climb up an clean them. When I got to where I
could reach the fan blades an overwhelming feeling of dizziness and
nauseousness overcame me and I had to clutch the ladder and close my
eyes otherwise I felt I would pass out and fall. It has happened on
ladders of lesser height as well, even last year when cleaning the
gutters and I was only 3/4 of the way up on a 12 foot stepladder.

It's weird because I've flown small airplanes and even a helicopter with
a big, 360 degree view bubble for a windshield. Never bothers me, even
practicing stalls and having the airplane start to fall out of the sky.
But a 12 foot ladder? No freakin' way.


Likewise. I'm bothered by what would happen if I *did* pass out. If in an airplane or surrounded by
a fence, then there's no fear. Strange.

John H[_2_] September 19th 17 03:23 PM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off
 
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 01:07:20 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 15:29:44 -0400, John H
wrote:

I did that in the pool once and it took a year to get over it


Did you bust the heel bone (calcaneus)? The ER doc said surgery with screws and plates. I'm hoping
she was exaggerating. But, the more I read about it, the less I like it!


I was afraid that was what it was but it was just a severely smashed
planar tendon. They talked about doing a lot of stuff but I just wore
cross trainers for about a year instead of my boat shoes and it got
better. I still get a twinge now and then but I am basically OK.


In this case there's no doubt the bone is broke in a few places. But it's not dislocated, so maybe
screws won't be necessary. I'll know a lot more this afternoon when the Doc has looked at the
X-rays.

justan September 19th 17 03:27 PM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off
 
John H Wrote in message:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 01:07:20 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 15:29:44 -0400, John H
wrote:

I did that in the pool once and it took a year to get over it

Did you bust the heel bone (calcaneus)? The ER doc said surgery with screws and plates. I'm hoping
she was exaggerating. But, the more I read about it, the less I like it!


I was afraid that was what it was but it was just a severely smashed
planar tendon. They talked about doing a lot of stuff but I just wore
cross trainers for about a year instead of my boat shoes and it got
better. I still get a twinge now and then but I am basically OK.


In this case there's no doubt the bone is broke in a few places. But it's not dislocated, so maybe
screws won't be necessary. I'll know a lot more this afternoon when the Doc has looked at the
X-rays.


Hopefully all you will need as a cast so the bones can mend by
themselves. Good luck.
--
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True North[_2_] September 19th 17 03:32 PM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off
 
On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 10:59:43 UTC-3, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
On Monday, 18 September 2017 17:47:28 UTC-3, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
On Monday, 18 September 2017 16:07:14 UTC-3, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/18/17 2:29 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

John H Wrote in message:




To get on the house roof I don't need a ladder. Can climb out a
bedroom window and then have access to entire roof with a step stool.


I don't do house roofs either. If I get four feet from the edge, severe
vertigo sets in. :-)



I remember the time I spent in Thunder Bay, Ontario, one week. Really,
really, really cold. And I saw crews shoveling snow off the roofs of
houses. Was told the home insurance companies paid for those crews
because it was a lot cheaper than replacing roofs that collapsed from
the 4' or more of snow load on them.

There was four to five feet of snow on the ground, too, so I guess if
the guys on the roofs fell off, they're be more likely to suffocate in a
snow bank than get seriously injured in a fall. :)

Amazingly, one night I was there when it snowed at least a foot, and the
next morning, early, the union rep from the local arrived on time to
pick me up. The streets had already been cleared. The snowbanks along
the curbs were huge.


I drove a rental to Thunder Bay once. Did what I had to do, and
got out. Kanada in the winter is for the birds.
--
x


----Android NewsGroup Reader----
http://usenet.sinaapp.com/


As I've said many times, Justine...it's no country for girliemen!


Yet Donella won't leave. I have a few friends whose Scottish
ancesters come to America via Nova Skosha. Would you call them
girly men?
--
x


----Android NewsGroup Reader----
http://usenet.sinaapp.com/




No silly, I'm calling y'all a girlieman.



They were smart not to stay. You, not so much. What do you expect
from a weakling who needs a power assist tongue wheel to push his
little 14' aluminum boat around his little 4000 sf house
lot.
In summation, who cares what a bowlegged, girlish, dumb, beer
swilling weakling from crime city Kanada has to say.

PS: Good luck with your house painting. We'll be watching, via
maps, how the job progresses over the next several
years.
--
x


----Android NewsGroup Reader----
http://usenet.sinaapp.com/


You are an amusing little girl, Justine.
The Yukon 15 was 2 boats ago. I've had the Legend 16 Xcalibur and now the Bayliner BR 17 since then.
I've got the staging set up on the west side of my house now as we speak and will be getting back at it as soon as things dry up on Thursday.

justan September 19th 17 03:50 PM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off
 
True North Wrote in message:
On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 10:59:43 UTC-3, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
On Monday, 18 September 2017 17:47:28 UTC-3, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
On Monday, 18 September 2017 16:07:14 UTC-3, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/18/17 2:29 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

John H Wrote in message:




To get on the house roof I don't need a ladder. Can climb out a
bedroom window and then have access to entire roof with a step stool.


I don't do house roofs either. If I get four feet from the edge, severe
vertigo sets in. :-)



I remember the time I spent in Thunder Bay, Ontario, one week. Really,
really, really cold. And I saw crews shoveling snow off the roofs of
houses. Was told the home insurance companies paid for those crews
because it was a lot cheaper than replacing roofs that collapsed from
the 4' or more of snow load on them.

There was four to five feet of snow on the ground, too, so I guess if
the guys on the roofs fell off, they're be more likely to suffocate in a
snow bank than get seriously injured in a fall. :)

Amazingly, one night I was there when it snowed at least a foot, and the
next morning, early, the union rep from the local arrived on time to
pick me up. The streets had already been cleared. The snowbanks along
the curbs were huge.


I drove a rental to Thunder Bay once. Did what I had to do, and
got out. Kanada in the winter is for the birds.
--
x


----Android NewsGroup Reader----
http://usenet.sinaapp.com/


As I've said many times, Justine...it's no country for girliemen!


Yet Donella won't leave. I have a few friends whose Scottish
ancesters come to America via Nova Skosha. Would you call them
girly men?
--
x


----Android NewsGroup Reader----
http://usenet.sinaapp.com/



No silly, I'm calling y'all a girlieman.



They were smart not to stay. You, not so much. What do you expect
from a weakling who needs a power assist tongue wheel to push his
little 14' aluminum boat around his little 4000 sf house
lot.
In summation, who cares what a bowlegged, girlish, dumb, beer
swilling weakling from crime city Kanada has to say.

PS: Good luck with your house painting. We'll be watching, via
maps, how the job progresses over the next several
years.
--
x


----Android NewsGroup Reader----
http://usenet.sinaapp.com/


You are an amusing little girl, Justine.
The Yukon 15 was 2 boats ago. I've had the Legend 16 Xcalibur and now the Bayliner BR 17 since then.
I've got the staging set up on the west side of my house now as we speak and will be getting back at it as soon as things dry up on Thursday.


Now you are definately going to need that power wheel.
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justan September 19th 17 03:51 PM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off
 
True North Wrote in message:
On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 10:59:43 UTC-3, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
On Monday, 18 September 2017 17:47:28 UTC-3, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
On Monday, 18 September 2017 16:07:14 UTC-3, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/18/17 2:29 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

John H Wrote in message:




To get on the house roof I don't need a ladder. Can climb out a
bedroom window and then have access to entire roof with a step stool.


I don't do house roofs either. If I get four feet from the edge, severe
vertigo sets in. :-)



I remember the time I spent in Thunder Bay, Ontario, one week. Really,
really, really cold. And I saw crews shoveling snow off the roofs of
houses. Was told the home insurance companies paid for those crews
because it was a lot cheaper than replacing roofs that collapsed from
the 4' or more of snow load on them.

There was four to five feet of snow on the ground, too, so I guess if
the guys on the roofs fell off, they're be more likely to suffocate in a
snow bank than get seriously injured in a fall. :)

Amazingly, one night I was there when it snowed at least a foot, and the
next morning, early, the union rep from the local arrived on time to
pick me up. The streets had already been cleared. The snowbanks along
the curbs were huge.


I drove a rental to Thunder Bay once. Did what I had to do, and
got out. Kanada in the winter is for the birds.
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As I've said many times, Justine...it's no country for girliemen!


Yet Donella won't leave. I have a few friends whose Scottish
ancesters come to America via Nova Skosha. Would you call them
girly men?
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No silly, I'm calling y'all a girlieman.



They were smart not to stay. You, not so much. What do you expect
from a weakling who needs a power assist tongue wheel to push his
little 14' aluminum boat around his little 4000 sf house
lot.
In summation, who cares what a bowlegged, girlish, dumb, beer
swilling weakling from crime city Kanada has to say.

PS: Good luck with your house painting. We'll be watching, via
maps, how the job progresses over the next several
years.
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You are an amusing little girl, Justine.
The Yukon 15 was 2 boats ago. I've had the Legend 16 Xcalibur and now the Bayliner BR 17 since then.
I've got the staging set up on the west side of my house now as we speak and will be getting back at it as soon as things dry up on Thursday.


The west side? Is that the side that looks toward the mainland?
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True North[_2_] September 19th 17 05:23 PM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off
 
On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 11:51:17 UTC-3, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 10:59:43 UTC-3, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
On Monday, 18 September 2017 17:47:28 UTC-3, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
On Monday, 18 September 2017 16:07:14 UTC-3, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/18/17 2:29 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

John H Wrote in message:




To get on the house roof I don't need a ladder. Can climb out a
bedroom window and then have access to entire roof with a step stool.


I don't do house roofs either. If I get four feet from the edge, severe
vertigo sets in. :-)



I remember the time I spent in Thunder Bay, Ontario, one week. Really,
really, really cold. And I saw crews shoveling snow off the roofs of
houses. Was told the home insurance companies paid for those crews
because it was a lot cheaper than replacing roofs that collapsed from
the 4' or more of snow load on them.

There was four to five feet of snow on the ground, too, so I guess if
the guys on the roofs fell off, they're be more likely to suffocate in a
snow bank than get seriously injured in a fall. :)

Amazingly, one night I was there when it snowed at least a foot, and the
next morning, early, the union rep from the local arrived on time to
pick me up. The streets had already been cleared. The snowbanks along
the curbs were huge.


I drove a rental to Thunder Bay once. Did what I had to do, and
got out. Kanada in the winter is for the birds.
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As I've said many times, Justine...it's no country for girliemen!


Yet Donella won't leave. I have a few friends whose Scottish
ancesters come to America via Nova Skosha. Would you call them
girly men?
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No silly, I'm calling y'all a girlieman.



They were smart not to stay. You, not so much. What do you expect
from a weakling who needs a power assist tongue wheel to push his
little 14' aluminum boat around his little 4000 sf house
lot.
In summation, who cares what a bowlegged, girlish, dumb, beer
swilling weakling from crime city Kanada has to say.

PS: Good luck with your house painting. We'll be watching, via
maps, how the job progresses over the next several
years.
--
x


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You are an amusing little girl, Justine.
The Yukon 15 was 2 boats ago. I've had the Legend 16 Xcalibur and now the Bayliner BR 17 since then.
I've got the staging set up on the west side of my house now as we speak and will be getting back at it as soon as things dry up on Thursday.


The west side? Is that the side that looks toward the mainland?
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We are the mainland....although we are on a peninsula (old original city) attached to a bigger peninsula (Chebucto) which is itself attached to a really big peninsula (Nova Scotia).
Get it?

justan September 19th 17 05:34 PM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off
 
True North Wrote in message:
On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 11:51:17 UTC-3, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 10:59:43 UTC-3, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
On Monday, 18 September 2017 17:47:28 UTC-3, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
On Monday, 18 September 2017 16:07:14 UTC-3, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/18/17 2:29 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

John H Wrote in message:




To get on the house roof I don't need a ladder. Can climb out a
bedroom window and then have access to entire roof with a step stool.


I don't do house roofs either. If I get four feet from the edge, severe
vertigo sets in. :-)



I remember the time I spent in Thunder Bay, Ontario, one week. Really,
really, really cold. And I saw crews shoveling snow off the roofs of
houses. Was told the home insurance companies paid for those crews
because it was a lot cheaper than replacing roofs that collapsed from
the 4' or more of snow load on them.

There was four to five feet of snow on the ground, too, so I guess if
the guys on the roofs fell off, they're be more likely to suffocate in a
snow bank than get seriously injured in a fall. :)

Amazingly, one night I was there when it snowed at least a foot, and the
next morning, early, the union rep from the local arrived on time to
pick me up. The streets had already been cleared. The snowbanks along
the curbs were huge.


I drove a rental to Thunder Bay once. Did what I had to do, and
got out. Kanada in the winter is for the birds.
--
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As I've said many times, Justine...it's no country for girliemen!


Yet Donella won't leave. I have a few friends whose Scottish
ancesters come to America via Nova Skosha. Would you call them
girly men?
--
x


----Android NewsGroup Reader----
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No silly, I'm calling y'all a girlieman.



They were smart not to stay. You, not so much. What do you expect
from a weakling who needs a power assist tongue wheel to push his
little 14' aluminum boat around his little 4000 sf house
lot.
In summation, who cares what a bowlegged, girlish, dumb, beer
swilling weakling from crime city Kanada has to say.

PS: Good luck with your house painting. We'll be watching, via
maps, how the job progresses over the next several
years.
--
x


----Android NewsGroup Reader----
http://usenet.sinaapp.com/

You are an amusing little girl, Justine.
The Yukon 15 was 2 boats ago. I've had the Legend 16 Xcalibur and now the Bayliner BR 17 since then.
I've got the staging set up on the west side of my house now as we speak and will be getting back at it as soon as things dry up on Thursday.


The west side? Is that the side that looks toward the mainland?
--
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We are the mainland....although we are on a peninsula (old original city) attached to a bigger peninsula (Chebucto) which is itself attached to a really big peninsula (Nova Scotia).
Get it?


Details. Skosha looks like an island until you zoom in really
close and see a tiny wisp of land tying it to New Brunswick.
What is there, 1 road tying Skosha to the mainland?
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justan September 19th 17 05:50 PM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off
 
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
On Monday, 18 September 2017 17:47:28 UTC-3, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
On Monday, 18 September 2017 16:07:14 UTC-3, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/18/17 2:29 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

John H Wrote in message:




To get on the house roof I don't need a ladder. Can climb out a
bedroom window and then have access to entire roof with a step stool.


I don't do house roofs either. If I get four feet from the edge, severe
vertigo sets in. :-)



I remember the time I spent in Thunder Bay, Ontario, one week. Really,
really, really cold. And I saw crews shoveling snow off the roofs of
houses. Was told the home insurance companies paid for those crews
because it was a lot cheaper than replacing roofs that collapsed from
the 4' or more of snow load on them.

There was four to five feet of snow on the ground, too, so I guess if
the guys on the roofs fell off, they're be more likely to suffocate in a
snow bank than get seriously injured in a fall. :)

Amazingly, one night I was there when it snowed at least a foot, and the
next morning, early, the union rep from the local arrived on time to
pick me up. The streets had already been cleared. The snowbanks along
the curbs were huge.


I drove a rental to Thunder Bay once. Did what I had to do, and
got out. Kanada in the winter is for the birds.
--
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As I've said many times, Justine...it's no country for girliemen!


Yet Donella won't leave. I have a few friends whose Scottish
ancesters come to America via Nova Skosha. Would you call them
girly men?
--
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----Android NewsGroup Reader----
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No silly, I'm calling y'all a girlieman.



They were smart not to stay. You, not so much. What do you expect
from a weakling who needs a power assist tongue wheel to push his
little 14' aluminum boat around his little 4000 sf house
lot.
In summation, who cares what a bowlegged, girlish, dumb, beer
swilling weakling from crime city Kanada has to say.

PS: Good luck with your house painting. We'll be watching, via
maps, how the job progresses over the next several
years.


More insults from pussyboy flajim, the coward.

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Insulting maybe. True, of course.

Far different from your standard fare of lying insults. Ask
Donnieella how many years it took him to complete the last paint
job on his house. Which, if memory serves, was completed about 5
years ago.
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[email protected] September 19th 17 07:51 PM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off
 
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 03:16:12 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 9/18/2017 10:52 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 14:53:08 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Amazingly, one night I was there when it snowed at least a foot, and the
next morning, early, the union rep from the local arrived on time to
pick me up. The streets had already been cleared. The snowbanks along
the curbs were huge.


===

That happens routinely in the "Lake Effect Snow Belts" on the south
side of Lake Ontario and Lake Erie. Even small towns budget millions
for snow removal.

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I've spent a total of months in Canada on projects over the years. Never
saw snow like they get in Rochester, New York though. One of my longest
day trips to the University of Rochester lasted over a week. Snow
started and I couldn't get out.


===

Heh, welcome to Upstate NY. Wonderful weather for a few months in the
summer, not so much the rest of the year. It's a good place to be
from. :-)


Alex[_12_] September 20th 17 01:31 AM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off
 
True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 19 September 2017 10:59:43 UTC-3, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
On Monday, 18 September 2017 17:47:28 UTC-3, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
On Monday, 18 September 2017 16:07:14 UTC-3, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/18/17 2:29 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
John H Wrote in message:
To get on the house roof I don't need a ladder. Can climb out a
bedroom window and then have access to entire roof with a step stool.

I don't do house roofs either. If I get four feet from the edge, severe
vertigo sets in. :-)


I remember the time I spent in Thunder Bay, Ontario, one week. Really,
really, really cold. And I saw crews shoveling snow off the roofs of
houses. Was told the home insurance companies paid for those crews
because it was a lot cheaper than replacing roofs that collapsed from
the 4' or more of snow load on them.

There was four to five feet of snow on the ground, too, so I guess if
the guys on the roofs fell off, they're be more likely to suffocate in a
snow bank than get seriously injured in a fall. :)

Amazingly, one night I was there when it snowed at least a foot, and the
next morning, early, the union rep from the local arrived on time to
pick me up. The streets had already been cleared. The snowbanks along
the curbs were huge.

I drove a rental to Thunder Bay once. Did what I had to do, and
got out. Kanada in the winter is for the birds.
--
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----Android NewsGroup Reader----
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As I've said many times, Justine...it's no country for girliemen!

Yet Donella won't leave. I have a few friends whose Scottish
ancesters come to America via Nova Skosha. Would you call them
girly men?
--
x


----Android NewsGroup Reader----
http://usenet.sinaapp.com/


No silly, I'm calling y'all a girlieman.


They were smart not to stay. You, not so much. What do you expect
from a weakling who needs a power assist tongue wheel to push his
little 14' aluminum boat around his little 4000 sf house
lot.
In summation, who cares what a bowlegged, girlish, dumb, beer
swilling weakling from crime city Kanada has to say.

PS: Good luck with your house painting. We'll be watching, via
maps, how the job progresses over the next several
years.
--
x


----Android NewsGroup Reader----
http://usenet.sinaapp.com/

You are an amusing little girl, Justine.
The Yukon 15 was 2 boats ago. I've had the Legend 16 Xcalibur and now the Bayliner BR 17 since then.
I've got the staging set up on the west side of my house now as we speak and will be getting back at it as soon as things dry up on Thursday.


What are you going to buy next to park in your driveway all year?


[email protected] September 20th 17 02:26 AM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off
 
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 03:12:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 9/19/2017 1:14 AM, wrote:



I don't seem to have the problem. I can just forget I am 15 feet in
the air and do my job. I am pretty careful setting up my ladder and I
usually have a bail out plan (something I can grab, a soft place to
land or something) The trick ends up turning a fall into a jump if you
know you are going down and hope for the best.


I doubt all the preparedness in the world would prevent the feeling I
get on a ladder or on a roof, especially near the edge. I've been told
it's really an anxiety attack. I've tried the mind over matter thing,
willing myself not to freak out but when it hits all you can do is wrap
your arms around the ladder and close your eyes until it passes.


I never had a problem climbing onto a roof but, for years, I had
trouble getting back on the ladder to get down. I just worked on it
and now I am fine with it.
When I was inspecting I made a point of climbing up to see things. It
kept the sparkys on their toes because they assumed nobody would look
at anything that was had to get to.

[email protected] September 20th 17 02:32 AM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off
 
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 10:23:20 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 01:07:20 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 15:29:44 -0400, John H
wrote:

I did that in the pool once and it took a year to get over it

Did you bust the heel bone (calcaneus)? The ER doc said surgery with screws and plates. I'm hoping
she was exaggerating. But, the more I read about it, the less I like it!


I was afraid that was what it was but it was just a severely smashed
planar tendon. They talked about doing a lot of stuff but I just wore
cross trainers for about a year instead of my boat shoes and it got
better. I still get a twinge now and then but I am basically OK.


In this case there's no doubt the bone is broke in a few places. But it's not dislocated, so maybe
screws won't be necessary. I'll know a lot more this afternoon when the Doc has looked at the
X-rays.


The VA must be living in the 20th century. The girl shot several xrays
of my foot and seconds later the doc was looking at them on his
computer. (turning, zooming and all the other computer tricks)

[email protected] September 20th 17 02:37 AM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off
 
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 14:51:47 -0400,
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 03:16:12 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 9/18/2017 10:52 PM,
wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 14:53:08 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Amazingly, one night I was there when it snowed at least a foot, and the
next morning, early, the union rep from the local arrived on time to
pick me up. The streets had already been cleared. The snowbanks along
the curbs were huge.

===

That happens routinely in the "Lake Effect Snow Belts" on the south
side of Lake Ontario and Lake Erie. Even small towns budget millions
for snow removal.

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I've spent a total of months in Canada on projects over the years. Never
saw snow like they get in Rochester, New York though. One of my longest
day trips to the University of Rochester lasted over a week. Snow
started and I couldn't get out.


===

Heh, welcome to Upstate NY. Wonderful weather for a few months in the
summer, not so much the rest of the year. It's a good place to be
from. :-)


The strange thing is Endicott/Binghampton is not that far away and the
weather is fairly moderate for up north. The lakes don't seem to
affect it that much. I spent Oct-Dec up there in 80, working at the
support center. I went home for Christmas and never went back.
It was still to "up north" for me.

Mr. Luddite[_4_] September 20th 17 02:50 AM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off
 
On 9/19/2017 9:32 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 10:23:20 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 01:07:20 -0400,
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 15:29:44 -0400, John H
wrote:

I did that in the pool once and it took a year to get over it

Did you bust the heel bone (calcaneus)? The ER doc said surgery with screws and plates. I'm hoping
she was exaggerating. But, the more I read about it, the less I like it!

I was afraid that was what it was but it was just a severely smashed
planar tendon. They talked about doing a lot of stuff but I just wore
cross trainers for about a year instead of my boat shoes and it got
better. I still get a twinge now and then but I am basically OK.


In this case there's no doubt the bone is broke in a few places. But it's not dislocated, so maybe
screws won't be necessary. I'll know a lot more this afternoon when the Doc has looked at the
X-rays.


The VA must be living in the 20th century. The girl shot several xrays
of my foot and seconds later the doc was looking at them on his
computer. (turning, zooming and all the other computer tricks)


Not unusual though. The VA offered me an ultrasound scan as a general
screening for guys my age. They are looking for the risk of an
abdominal aortic aneurysm which can be deadly because there are no
symptoms and if the artery bursts it's usually fatal because you can't
get to the hospital in time. The lab tech (quite the cutie!) probably
tested guys all day and then later a doc reviewed all the test scans.
The VA is pretty good about this stuff. They follow up with a phone
call later and then a letter in the mail with the results. I was fine.
No risk of an aneurysm.


[email protected] September 20th 17 04:38 AM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off
 
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 21:37:17 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 14:51:47 -0400,

wrote:

On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 03:16:12 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 9/18/2017 10:52 PM,
wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 14:53:08 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Amazingly, one night I was there when it snowed at least a foot, and the
next morning, early, the union rep from the local arrived on time to
pick me up. The streets had already been cleared. The snowbanks along
the curbs were huge.

===

That happens routinely in the "Lake Effect Snow Belts" on the south
side of Lake Ontario and Lake Erie. Even small towns budget millions
for snow removal.

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I've spent a total of months in Canada on projects over the years. Never
saw snow like they get in Rochester, New York though. One of my longest
day trips to the University of Rochester lasted over a week. Snow
started and I couldn't get out.


===

Heh, welcome to Upstate NY. Wonderful weather for a few months in the
summer, not so much the rest of the year. It's a good place to be
from. :-)


The strange thing is Endicott/Binghampton is not that far away and the
weather is fairly moderate for up north. The lakes don't seem to
affect it that much. I spent Oct-Dec up there in 80, working at the
support center. I went home for Christmas and never went back.
It was still to "up north" for me.


===

The lake effect snow belt is only about 20 miles wide depending on
wind angle. I spent a winter in Ithaca once and it seemed almost
tropical by comparison to my home town 50 miles to the north. Ice
storms were more of a hazard on the Ithaca hills.

[email protected] September 20th 17 04:41 AM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off
 
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 21:26:52 -0400, wrote:

I never had a problem climbing onto a roof but, for years, I had
trouble getting back on the ladder to get down.


===

What helps me is to extend the ladder 4 or 5 feet above the roof line
so you've got something to grab onto before you get to the edge.

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[email protected] September 20th 17 06:27 AM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off
 
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 23:41:58 -0400,
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 21:26:52 -0400,
wrote:

I never had a problem climbing onto a roof but, for years, I had
trouble getting back on the ladder to get down.


===

What helps me is to extend the ladder 4 or 5 feet above the roof line
so you've got something to grab onto before you get to the edge.

Now that I have the trick down, it is just as easy for me to have
about 1 rung above the roof line and I go directly over it. I got used
to the drill when I was only going up one story above my deck in
Maryland.
Before that it was a 2 story with a 4' basement wall below that and it
was just spooky on a cheap 3 piece extension ladder, 20 some feet up.

John H[_2_] September 20th 17 01:33 PM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off
 
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 10:27:48 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

John H Wrote in message:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 01:07:20 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 15:29:44 -0400, John H
wrote:

I did that in the pool once and it took a year to get over it

Did you bust the heel bone (calcaneus)? The ER doc said surgery with screws and plates. I'm hoping
she was exaggerating. But, the more I read about it, the less I like it!

I was afraid that was what it was but it was just a severely smashed
planar tendon. They talked about doing a lot of stuff but I just wore
cross trainers for about a year instead of my boat shoes and it got
better. I still get a twinge now and then but I am basically OK.


In this case there's no doubt the bone is broke in a few places. But it's not dislocated, so maybe
screws won't be necessary. I'll know a lot more this afternoon when the Doc has looked at the
X-rays.


Hopefully all you will need as a cast so the bones can mend by
themselves. Good luck.


Back from the doc. Only one break, but it goes from the top almost to the bottom and then bends back
towards the back of the bone. The entire bone is broken, but not much displaced. Therefore he thinks
surgery will not be necessary. He'll know more after a CT scan on Thursday. Right now he's thinking
2-3 months in the boot with no weight on the foot.

Am investing in one of these:
https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/...311653608.html

Maybe I can motorize it later. Probably outrun a Ducati!

True North[_2_] September 20th 17 01:40 PM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off
 
On Wednesday, 20 September 2017 02:27:49 UTC-3, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 23:41:58 -0400,
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 21:26:52 -0400,
wrote:

I never had a problem climbing onto a roof but, for years, I had
trouble getting back on the ladder to get down.


===

What helps me is to extend the ladder 4 or 5 feet above the roof line
so you've got something to grab onto before you get to the edge.

Now that I have the trick down, it is just as easy for me to have
about 1 rung above the roof line and I go directly over it. I got used
to the drill when I was only going up one story above my deck in
Maryland.
Before that it was a 2 story with a 4' basement wall below that and it
was just spooky on a cheap 3 piece extension ladder, 20 some feet up.



When I used to get up on the main roof, I would throw a 100' climbers rope up over the roof and tie it off to the deck on the opposite side. I also had an 8' piece of old garden hose inserted at the mid point of the rope to guard against chafe at the roof ridge. I started off with a climber's harness and then moved up to a proper safety harness that was attached to the climbing rope through various climbing devices. I also use the harness anytime I'm above 18 feet (height of eaves trough)

True North[_2_] September 20th 17 01:42 PM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off
 
On Wednesday, 20 September 2017 02:27:49 UTC-3, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 23:41:58 -0400,
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 21:26:52 -0400,
wrote:

I never had a problem climbing onto a roof but, for years, I had
trouble getting back on the ladder to get down.


===

What helps me is to extend the ladder 4 or 5 feet above the roof line
so you've got something to grab onto before you get to the edge.

Now that I have the trick down, it is just as easy for me to have
about 1 rung above the roof line and I go directly over it. I got used
to the drill when I was only going up one story above my deck in
Maryland.
Before that it was a 2 story with a 4' basement wall below that and it
was just spooky on a cheap 3 piece extension ladder, 20 some feet up.


Oh yeah...I also have good quality 2 piece Grade 1 extension ladders. The 36 footer is getting a bit heavy to handle at 80 pounds.

John H[_2_] September 20th 17 01:48 PM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off (0/1)
 
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 21:32:01 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 10:23:20 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 01:07:20 -0400,
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 15:29:44 -0400, John H
wrote:

I did that in the pool once and it took a year to get over it

Did you bust the heel bone (calcaneus)? The ER doc said surgery with screws and plates. I'm hoping
she was exaggerating. But, the more I read about it, the less I like it!

I was afraid that was what it was but it was just a severely smashed
planar tendon. They talked about doing a lot of stuff but I just wore
cross trainers for about a year instead of my boat shoes and it got
better. I still get a twinge now and then but I am basically OK.


In this case there's no doubt the bone is broke in a few places. But it's not dislocated, so maybe
screws won't be necessary. I'll know a lot more this afternoon when the Doc has looked at the
X-rays.


The VA must be living in the 20th century. The girl shot several xrays
of my foot and seconds later the doc was looking at them on his
computer. (turning, zooming and all the other computer tricks)


No VA involvement. I was taken to a nearby hospital ER. The radiologist provided a written
description and a CD with the pictures to the attending doc in ER. She inserted the CD and showed me
what she thought were fractures. She thought one 'L' shaped fracture was two smaller fractures. I'll
see if I can post a picture of the X-ray just for the hell of it. The second pic is a crop showing
just the fracture. Imagine an 'L' tilted clockwise about 20 degrees.

We'll see if this works.

True North[_2_] September 20th 17 01:50 PM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off
 
On Wednesday, 20 September 2017 09:33:24 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 10:27:48 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

John H Wrote in message:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 01:07:20 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 15:29:44 -0400, John H
wrote:

I did that in the pool once and it took a year to get over it

Did you bust the heel bone (calcaneus)? The ER doc said surgery with screws and plates. I'm hoping
she was exaggerating. But, the more I read about it, the less I like it!

I was afraid that was what it was but it was just a severely smashed
planar tendon. They talked about doing a lot of stuff but I just wore
cross trainers for about a year instead of my boat shoes and it got
better. I still get a twinge now and then but I am basically OK.

In this case there's no doubt the bone is broke in a few places. But it's not dislocated, so maybe
screws won't be necessary. I'll know a lot more this afternoon when the Doc has looked at the
X-rays.


Hopefully all you will need as a cast so the bones can mend by
themselves. Good luck.


Back from the doc. Only one break, but it goes from the top almost to the bottom and then bends back
towards the back of the bone. The entire bone is broken, but not much displaced. Therefore he thinks
surgery will not be necessary. He'll know more after a CT scan on Thursday. Right now he's thinking
2-3 months in the boot with no weight on the foot.

Am investing in one of these:
https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/...311653608.html

Maybe I can motorize it later. Probably outrun a Ducati!



What's with the "Cute burgundy color!" description....

John H[_2_] September 20th 17 01:54 PM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off
 
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 21:50:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 9/19/2017 9:32 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 10:23:20 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 01:07:20 -0400,
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 15:29:44 -0400, John H
wrote:

I did that in the pool once and it took a year to get over it

Did you bust the heel bone (calcaneus)? The ER doc said surgery with screws and plates. I'm hoping
she was exaggerating. But, the more I read about it, the less I like it!

I was afraid that was what it was but it was just a severely smashed
planar tendon. They talked about doing a lot of stuff but I just wore
cross trainers for about a year instead of my boat shoes and it got
better. I still get a twinge now and then but I am basically OK.

In this case there's no doubt the bone is broke in a few places. But it's not dislocated, so maybe
screws won't be necessary. I'll know a lot more this afternoon when the Doc has looked at the
X-rays.


The VA must be living in the 20th century. The girl shot several xrays
of my foot and seconds later the doc was looking at them on his
computer. (turning, zooming and all the other computer tricks)


Not unusual though. The VA offered me an ultrasound scan as a general
screening for guys my age. They are looking for the risk of an
abdominal aortic aneurysm which can be deadly because there are no
symptoms and if the artery bursts it's usually fatal because you can't
get to the hospital in time. The lab tech (quite the cutie!) probably
tested guys all day and then later a doc reviewed all the test scans.
The VA is pretty good about this stuff. They follow up with a phone
call later and then a letter in the mail with the results. I was fine.
No risk of an aneurysm.


My doc found my abdominal aortic aneurysm during a routine physical. He put my hand on my stomach
and said 'feel this'. I said I felt my heartbeat. He said I shouldn't be able to feel it there.
Ultrasound scan showed it to be expanded to about 4.5cm. Normal size is about 2.5cm. We monitored,
but within a year it had gotten to 6.5cm, which is when it got repaired. Plastic tubing. Smokers are
more at risk for these than non-smokers, so don't start smoking!

Mr. Luddite[_4_] September 20th 17 02:16 PM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off
 
On 9/20/2017 8:54 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 21:50:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 9/19/2017 9:32 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 10:23:20 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 01:07:20 -0400,
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 15:29:44 -0400, John H
wrote:

I did that in the pool once and it took a year to get over it

Did you bust the heel bone (calcaneus)? The ER doc said surgery with screws and plates. I'm hoping
she was exaggerating. But, the more I read about it, the less I like it!

I was afraid that was what it was but it was just a severely smashed
planar tendon. They talked about doing a lot of stuff but I just wore
cross trainers for about a year instead of my boat shoes and it got
better. I still get a twinge now and then but I am basically OK.

In this case there's no doubt the bone is broke in a few places. But it's not dislocated, so maybe
screws won't be necessary. I'll know a lot more this afternoon when the Doc has looked at the
X-rays.

The VA must be living in the 20th century. The girl shot several xrays
of my foot and seconds later the doc was looking at them on his
computer. (turning, zooming and all the other computer tricks)


Not unusual though. The VA offered me an ultrasound scan as a general
screening for guys my age. They are looking for the risk of an
abdominal aortic aneurysm which can be deadly because there are no
symptoms and if the artery bursts it's usually fatal because you can't
get to the hospital in time. The lab tech (quite the cutie!) probably
tested guys all day and then later a doc reviewed all the test scans.
The VA is pretty good about this stuff. They follow up with a phone
call later and then a letter in the mail with the results. I was fine.
No risk of an aneurysm.


My doc found my abdominal aortic aneurysm during a routine physical. He put my hand on my stomach
and said 'feel this'. I said I felt my heartbeat. He said I shouldn't be able to feel it there.
Ultrasound scan showed it to be expanded to about 4.5cm. Normal size is about 2.5cm. We monitored,
but within a year it had gotten to 6.5cm, which is when it got repaired. Plastic tubing. Smokers are
more at risk for these than non-smokers, so don't start smoking!


I was a smoker for years but have all but given it up as of about 4
years ago. I confess though, that once in a great while when I am with
someone who smokes, I'll bum one from him and light up. I know I
shouldn't but it feels sooooooo good. I have to redouble my commitment
not to smoke afterwards.



[email protected] September 20th 17 04:18 PM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off
 
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 08:33:24 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 10:27:48 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

John H Wrote in message:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 01:07:20 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 15:29:44 -0400, John H
wrote:

I did that in the pool once and it took a year to get over it

Did you bust the heel bone (calcaneus)? The ER doc said surgery with screws and plates. I'm hoping
she was exaggerating. But, the more I read about it, the less I like it!

I was afraid that was what it was but it was just a severely smashed
planar tendon. They talked about doing a lot of stuff but I just wore
cross trainers for about a year instead of my boat shoes and it got
better. I still get a twinge now and then but I am basically OK.

In this case there's no doubt the bone is broke in a few places. But it's not dislocated, so maybe
screws won't be necessary. I'll know a lot more this afternoon when the Doc has looked at the
X-rays.


Hopefully all you will need as a cast so the bones can mend by
themselves. Good luck.


Back from the doc. Only one break, but it goes from the top almost to the bottom and then bends back
towards the back of the bone. The entire bone is broken, but not much displaced. Therefore he thinks
surgery will not be necessary. He'll know more after a CT scan on Thursday. Right now he's thinking
2-3 months in the boot with no weight on the foot.

Am investing in one of these:
https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/...311653608.html

Maybe I can motorize it later. Probably outrun a Ducati!


Will they let you use that on the green?

[email protected] September 20th 17 04:24 PM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off
 
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 05:42:00 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

On Wednesday, 20 September 2017 02:27:49 UTC-3, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 23:41:58 -0400,
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 21:26:52 -0400,
wrote:

I never had a problem climbing onto a roof but, for years, I had
trouble getting back on the ladder to get down.

===

What helps me is to extend the ladder 4 or 5 feet above the roof line
so you've got something to grab onto before you get to the edge.

Now that I have the trick down, it is just as easy for me to have
about 1 rung above the roof line and I go directly over it. I got used
to the drill when I was only going up one story above my deck in
Maryland.
Before that it was a 2 story with a 4' basement wall below that and it
was just spooky on a cheap 3 piece extension ladder, 20 some feet up.


Oh yeah...I also have good quality 2 piece Grade 1 extension ladders. The 36 footer is getting a bit heavy to handle at 80 pounds.


I really do not miss multi story houses. I can get off my roof without
a ladder if I need to. I keep an old aluminum ladder propped up in a
back corner anyway so it is quick access when I need to get up there.
That was handy during a lull in the storm because I could give my roof
a quick peek without any real effort.

John H[_2_] September 20th 17 04:30 PM

Yo Bill...to take the heat off
 
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 05:50:26 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

On Wednesday, 20 September 2017 09:33:24 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 10:27:48 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

John H Wrote in message:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 01:07:20 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 15:29:44 -0400, John H
wrote:

I did that in the pool once and it took a year to get over it

Did you bust the heel bone (calcaneus)? The ER doc said surgery with screws and plates. I'm hoping
she was exaggerating. But, the more I read about it, the less I like it!

I was afraid that was what it was but it was just a severely smashed
planar tendon. They talked about doing a lot of stuff but I just wore
cross trainers for about a year instead of my boat shoes and it got
better. I still get a twinge now and then but I am basically OK.

In this case there's no doubt the bone is broke in a few places. But it's not dislocated, so maybe
screws won't be necessary. I'll know a lot more this afternoon when the Doc has looked at the
X-rays.


Hopefully all you will need as a cast so the bones can mend by
themselves. Good luck.


Back from the doc. Only one break, but it goes from the top almost to the bottom and then bends back
towards the back of the bone. The entire bone is broken, but not much displaced. Therefore he thinks
surgery will not be necessary. He'll know more after a CT scan on Thursday. Right now he's thinking
2-3 months in the boot with no weight on the foot.

Am investing in one of these:
https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/...311653608.html

Maybe I can motorize it later. Probably outrun a Ducati!



What's with the "Cute burgundy color!" description....


What part don't you understand?


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