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Hurricane Irma - After Action Report
We're back home today after hiding out on the east coast for the
storm. Things are mostly OK meaning no really serious damage, but quite a few little things. Still no power but I'm running the house from the generator on the boat which gives us lights and air conditioning as long as that holds out. Pool cage frame is OK but screen panels are totaled. Found a couple of roof shingles on the ground but not yet sure where they came from - no obvious leaks yet. We made it over to the east coast and back in my truck on only one tank of gas. I had a couple of jerrry jugs in back but didn't need them. We only saw two filling stations open today while coming across the state and both had huge lines. Power is mostly off on both coasts with police directing traffic at busy intersections. Otherwise people are treating intersections as 4 way stops which seems to be working out OK for the most part. |
Hurricane Irma - After Action Report
On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 14:51:37 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
We're back home today after hiding out on the east coast for the storm. Things are mostly OK meaning no really serious damage, but quite a few little things. Still no power but I'm running the house from the generator on the boat which gives us lights and air conditioning as long as that holds out. Pool cage frame is OK but screen panels are totaled. Found a couple of roof shingles on the ground but not yet sure where they came from - no obvious leaks yet. We made it over to the east coast and back in my truck on only one tank of gas. I had a couple of jerrry jugs in back but didn't need them. We only saw two filling stations open today while coming across the state and both had huge lines. Power is mostly off on both coasts with police directing traffic at busy intersections. Otherwise people are treating intersections as 4 way stops which seems to be working out OK for the most part. Good to hear, Wayne. My daughter in Savannah came out OK also. The community dock washed away, but their house was undamaged. Whew! |
Hurricane Irma - After Action Report
On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 14:51:37 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: We're back home today after hiding out on the east coast for the storm. Things are mostly OK meaning no really serious damage, but quite a few little things. Still no power but I'm running the house from the generator on the boat which gives us lights and air conditioning as long as that holds out. Pool cage frame is OK but screen panels are totaled. Found a couple of roof shingles on the ground but not yet sure where they came from - no obvious leaks yet. We made it over to the east coast and back in my truck on only one tank of gas. I had a couple of jerrry jugs in back but didn't need them. We only saw two filling stations open today while coming across the state and both had huge lines. Power is mostly off on both coasts with police directing traffic at busy intersections. Otherwise people are treating intersections as 4 way stops which seems to be working out OK for the most part. === Follow up: We got power back about 6:00PM along with telephone service and high speed internet. I was expecting to be without power for as long as a week based on our experience with Charlie in 2004. |
Hurricane Irma - After Action Report
On Tue, 12 Sep 2017 22:48:15 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 14:51:37 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: We're back home today after hiding out on the east coast for the storm. Things are mostly OK meaning no really serious damage, but quite a few little things. Still no power but I'm running the house from the generator on the boat which gives us lights and air conditioning as long as that holds out. Pool cage frame is OK but screen panels are totaled. Found a couple of roof shingles on the ground but not yet sure where they came from - no obvious leaks yet. We made it over to the east coast and back in my truck on only one tank of gas. I had a couple of jerrry jugs in back but didn't need them. We only saw two filling stations open today while coming across the state and both had huge lines. Power is mostly off on both coasts with police directing traffic at busy intersections. Otherwise people are treating intersections as 4 way stops which seems to be working out OK for the most part. === Follow up: We got power back about 6:00PM along with telephone service and high speed internet. I was expecting to be without power for as long as a week based on our experience with Charlie in 2004. Hope you hug a power man today! |
Hurricane Irma - After Action Report
On 9/12/2017 10:48 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 14:51:37 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: We're back home today after hiding out on the east coast for the storm. Things are mostly OK meaning no really serious damage, but quite a few little things. Still no power but I'm running the house from the generator on the boat which gives us lights and air conditioning as long as that holds out. Pool cage frame is OK but screen panels are totaled. Found a couple of roof shingles on the ground but not yet sure where they came from - no obvious leaks yet. We made it over to the east coast and back in my truck on only one tank of gas. I had a couple of jerrry jugs in back but didn't need them. We only saw two filling stations open today while coming across the state and both had huge lines. Power is mostly off on both coasts with police directing traffic at busy intersections. Otherwise people are treating intersections as 4 way stops which seems to be working out OK for the most part. === Follow up: We got power back about 6:00PM along with telephone service and high speed internet. I was expecting to be without power for as long as a week based on our experience with Charlie in 2004. Based on what I've seen reported, the power companies, state, federal and local governments did a super job in preparation for this hurricane even before it's final path was known. Trucks and linesmen from almost every other state plus some from Canada were sent in advance and staged throughout Florida in order to restore power as quickly as possible after Irma passed through. After Wilma in 2005 the Jupiter area was without power for a week but it was tolerable because it was in November and the need for constant air conditioning was not as critical. My friend Rick who worked with me at the guitar shop is now working for a local home heating oil company up here in Massachusetts. It's not a big company ... family owned ... but yesterday they loaded diesel fuel into three of their delivery trucks and are on their way to Florida to deliver fuel for any hospitals or facilities still running on generators. Good stuff. BTW, not to get political but Trump, his administration and FEMA are getting high scores for their response to this storm. I had to laugh a little watching Rachel Maddow (briefly) the other evening interviewing the Governor of the US Virgin Islands. It was obvious that Rachel's questions were a prelude to criticism by her of Trump but it backfired. He described the storm damage but then gave Trump high praise and thanks for his responsiveness to phone calls and for the immediate federal help (mostly Navy) that Trump authorized. You could tell by the expression on her face that this is not what Rachel wanted to hear. :-) |
Hurricane Irma - After Action Report
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 9/12/2017 10:48 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 14:51:37 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: We're back home today after hiding out on the east coast for the storm. Things are mostly OK meaning no really serious damage, but quite a few little things. Still no power but I'm running the house from the generator on the boat which gives us lights and air conditioning as long as that holds out. Pool cage frame is OK but screen panels are totaled. Found a couple of roof shingles on the ground but not yet sure where they came from - no obvious leaks yet. We made it over to the east coast and back in my truck on only one tank of gas. I had a couple of jerrry jugs in back but didn't need them. We only saw two filling stations open today while coming across the state and both had huge lines. Power is mostly off on both coasts with police directing traffic at busy intersections. Otherwise people are treating intersections as 4 way stops which seems to be working out OK for the most part. === Follow up: We got power back about 6:00PM along with telephone service and high speed internet. I was expecting to be without power for as long as a week based on our experience with Charlie in 2004. Based on what I've seen reported, the power companies, state, federal and local governments did a super job in preparation for this hurricane even before it's final path was known. Trucks and linesmen from almost every other state plus some from Canada were sent in advance and staged throughout Florida in order to restore power as quickly as possible after Irma passed through. After Wilma in 2005 the Jupiter area was without power for a week but it was tolerable because it was in November and the need for constant air conditioning was not as critical. My friend Rick who worked with me at the guitar shop is now working for a local home heating oil company up here in Massachusetts. It's not a big company ... family owned ... but yesterday they loaded diesel fuel into three of their delivery trucks and are on their way to Florida to deliver fuel for any hospitals or facilities still running on generators. Good stuff. BTW, not to get political but Trump, his administration and FEMA are getting high scores for their response to this storm. I had to laugh a little watching Rachel Maddow (briefly) the other evening interviewing the Governor of the US Virgin Islands. It was obvious that Rachel's questions were a prelude to criticism by her of Trump but it backfired. He described the storm damage but then gave Trump high praise and thanks for his responsiveness to phone calls and for the immediate federal help (mostly Navy) that Trump authorized. You could tell by the expression on her face that this is not what Rachel wanted to hear. :-) Governor Rick Scott has been getting high marks for his efforts to prepare Florida for the disaster. Many states and the federal government responded to his requests for assistannce and resources were standing by on site ready to go to work as soon as the storm passed. I have 1 loose shingle to fix and some vegitation damage. We did very well. Only the cable tv went out. Around the neighborhood several oak trees were up rooted and a few newly planted palms were on their side. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
Hurricane Irma - After Action Report
On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 07:58:12 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: On 9/12/2017 10:48 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 14:51:37 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: We're back home today after hiding out on the east coast for the storm. Things are mostly OK meaning no really serious damage, but quite a few little things. Still no power but I'm running the house from the generator on the boat which gives us lights and air conditioning as long as that holds out. Pool cage frame is OK but screen panels are totaled. Found a couple of roof shingles on the ground but not yet sure where they came from - no obvious leaks yet. We made it over to the east coast and back in my truck on only one tank of gas. I had a couple of jerrry jugs in back but didn't need them. We only saw two filling stations open today while coming across the state and both had huge lines. Power is mostly off on both coasts with police directing traffic at busy intersections. Otherwise people are treating intersections as 4 way stops which seems to be working out OK for the most part. === Follow up: We got power back about 6:00PM along with telephone service and high speed internet. I was expecting to be without power for as long as a week based on our experience with Charlie in 2004. Based on what I've seen reported, the power companies, state, federal and local governments did a super job in preparation for this hurricane even before it's final path was known. Trucks and linesmen from almost every other state plus some from Canada were sent in advance and staged throughout Florida in order to restore power as quickly as possible after Irma passed through. After Wilma in 2005 the Jupiter area was without power for a week but it was tolerable because it was in November and the need for constant air conditioning was not as critical. My friend Rick who worked with me at the guitar shop is now working for a local home heating oil company up here in Massachusetts. It's not a big company ... family owned ... but yesterday they loaded diesel fuel into three of their delivery trucks and are on their way to Florida to deliver fuel for any hospitals or facilities still running on generators. Good stuff. BTW, not to get political but Trump, his administration and FEMA are getting high scores for their response to this storm. I had to laugh a little watching Rachel Maddow (briefly) the other evening interviewing the Governor of the US Virgin Islands. It was obvious that Rachel's questions were a prelude to criticism by her of Trump but it backfired. He described the storm damage but then gave Trump high praise and thanks for his responsiveness to phone calls and for the immediate federal help (mostly Navy) that Trump authorized. You could tell by the expression on her face that this is not what Rachel wanted to hear. :-) Governor Rick Scott has been getting high marks for his efforts to prepare Florida for the disaster. Many states and the federal government responded to his requests for assistannce and resources were standing by on site ready to go to work as soon as the storm passed. I have 1 loose shingle to fix and some vegitation damage. We did very well. Only the cable tv went out. Around the neighborhood several oak trees were up rooted and a few newly planted palms were on their side. Good to hear. |
Hurricane Irma - After Action Report
On 9/13/17 7:58 AM, justan wrote:
Governor Rick Scott has been getting high marks for his efforts to prepare Florida for the disaster. Does that make up for the huge criminal enterprise Scott ran prior to being governor? You know, the one that earned a $1.7 billion fine for Medicare fraud? Florida is not prepared. If Scott really were concerned about Florida, he'd be spearheading a statewide effort to stop development in low-lying coastal areas, and begin a process of condemning and tearing down susceptible structures in those areas, outlawing mobile homes, and slowing growth generally. Florida is going to get hit again and again and again by these large summer and fall hurricanes, and everyone is going to pace the price for them. We have a low-lying area a few miles north of here, called Chesapeake Beach, a quaint little nameplace full of old cottages and a growing amount of new construction. Nice place, except when Chesapeake Bay overflows and floods homes and businesses for four blocks up from the high water line. That area is a foot or two above sea level. Maybe. Why construction in these places is allowed is beyond my comprehension. I think the national flood insurance program ought to be dropped and replaced by a state-by-state funded program for those states that want it. Let Floridians, Texas, Louisianians, et cetera, pay the price for their folly of never-ending construction along low-lying waterfronts, typically built on "reclaimed" land. Alternately, if the states won't provide flood insurance and mortage companies won't finance homes without flood insurance, well, that eventually will solve the problem. Oh, we're close to the Bay, but...we're about 115' above sea level here. If the Bay floods us, it is the end of the world. |
Hurricane Irma - After Action Report
On 9/13/2017 8:22 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/13/17 7:58 AM, justan wrote: Governor Rick Scott has been getting high marks for his efforts to * prepare Florida for the disaster. Does that make up for the huge criminal enterprise Scott ran prior to being governor? You know, the one that earned a $1.7 billion fine for Medicare fraud? Florida is not prepared. If Scott really were concerned about Florida, he'd be spearheading a statewide effort to stop development in low-lying coastal areas, and begin a process of condemning and tearing down susceptible structures in those areas, outlawing mobile homes, and slowing growth generally. Florida is going to get hit again and again and again by these large summer and fall hurricanes, and everyone is going to pace the price for them. We have a low-lying area a few miles north of here, called Chesapeake Beach, a quaint little nameplace full of old cottages and a growing amount of new construction. Nice place, except when Chesapeake Bay overflows and floods homes and businesses for four blocks up from the high water line. That area is a foot or two above sea level. Maybe. Why construction in these places is allowed is beyond my comprehension. I think the national flood insurance program ought to be dropped and replaced by a state-by-state funded program for those states that want it. Let Floridians, Texas, Louisianians, et cetera, pay the price for their folly of never-ending construction along low-lying waterfronts, typically built on "reclaimed" land. Alternately, if the states won't provide flood insurance and mortage companies won't finance homes without flood insurance, well, that eventually will solve the problem. Oh, we're close to the Bay, but...we're about 115' above sea level here. If the Bay floods us, it is the end of the world. You won't flood but a direct hit of a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane would do some serious damage to your famous red barn. |
Hurricane Irma - After Action Report
On 9/13/17 8:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/13/2017 8:22 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/13/17 7:58 AM, justan wrote: Governor Rick Scott has been getting high marks for his efforts to * prepare Florida for the disaster. Does that make up for the huge criminal enterprise Scott ran prior to being governor? You know, the one that earned a $1.7 billion fine for Medicare fraud? Florida is not prepared. If Scott really were concerned about Florida, he'd be spearheading a statewide effort to stop development in low-lying coastal areas, and begin a process of condemning and tearing down susceptible structures in those areas, outlawing mobile homes, and slowing growth generally. Florida is going to get hit again and again and again by these large summer and fall hurricanes, and everyone is going to pace the price for them. We have a low-lying area a few miles north of here, called Chesapeake Beach, a quaint little nameplace full of old cottages and a growing amount of new construction. Nice place, except when Chesapeake Bay overflows and floods homes and businesses for four blocks up from the high water line. That area is a foot or two above sea level. Maybe. Why construction in these places is allowed is beyond my comprehension. I think the national flood insurance program ought to be dropped and replaced by a state-by-state funded program for those states that want it. Let Floridians, Texas, Louisianians, et cetera, pay the price for their folly of never-ending construction along low-lying waterfronts, typically built on "reclaimed" land. Alternately, if the states won't provide flood insurance and mortage companies won't finance homes without flood insurance, well, that eventually will solve the problem. Oh, we're close to the Bay, but...we're about 115' above sea level here. If the Bay floods us, it is the end of the world. You won't flood but a direct hit of a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane would do some serious damage to your famous red barn. Flooding of low-lying seashore areas during a hurricane from Florida to Texas is pretty much inevitable. Cat 4 or 5 hurricane winds up here would be a rarity, but a possibility. We have some large trees that if uprooted could certainly smash through the roof. We've had a few storms with high winds...70-90 mph...but so far our big trees have survived. I've had a few cut down over the years, but we still have a few that make me nervous. The point is, federal flood insurance should NOT be available to property owners in shore areas that keep getting hit. The states should be restricting growth in those areas and funding state flood insurance. Building a home in the Keys, for example, is the height of arrogance and stupidity. |
Hurricane Irma - After Action Report
On 9/13/2017 8:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/13/17 8:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/13/2017 8:22 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/13/17 7:58 AM, justan wrote: Governor Rick Scott has been getting high marks for his efforts to * prepare Florida for the disaster. Does that make up for the huge criminal enterprise Scott ran prior to being governor? You know, the one that earned a $1.7 billion fine for Medicare fraud? Florida is not prepared. If Scott really were concerned about Florida, he'd be spearheading a statewide effort to stop development in low-lying coastal areas, and begin a process of condemning and tearing down susceptible structures in those areas, outlawing mobile homes, and slowing growth generally. Florida is going to get hit again and again and again by these large summer and fall hurricanes, and everyone is going to pace the price for them. We have a low-lying area a few miles north of here, called Chesapeake Beach, a quaint little nameplace full of old cottages and a growing amount of new construction. Nice place, except when Chesapeake Bay overflows and floods homes and businesses for four blocks up from the high water line. That area is a foot or two above sea level. Maybe. Why construction in these places is allowed is beyond my comprehension. I think the national flood insurance program ought to be dropped and replaced by a state-by-state funded program for those states that want it. Let Floridians, Texas, Louisianians, et cetera, pay the price for their folly of never-ending construction along low-lying waterfronts, typically built on "reclaimed" land. Alternately, if the states won't provide flood insurance and mortage companies won't finance homes without flood insurance, well, that eventually will solve the problem. Oh, we're close to the Bay, but...we're about 115' above sea level here. If the Bay floods us, it is the end of the world. You won't flood but a direct hit of a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane would do some serious damage to your famous red barn. Flooding of low-lying seashore areas during a hurricane from Florida to Texas is pretty much inevitable. Cat 4 or 5 hurricane winds up here would be a rarity, but a possibility. We have some large trees that if uprooted could certainly smash through the roof. We've had a few storms with high winds...70-90 mph...but so far our big trees have survived. I've had a few cut down over the years, but we still have a few that make me nervous. The point is, federal flood insurance should NOT be available to property owners in shore areas that keep getting hit. The states should be restricting growth in those areas and funding state flood insurance. Building a home in the Keys, for example, is the height of arrogance and stupidity. Well, this is a rare occasion where I agree with you. Not sure I'd go as far as prohibiting development of privately held land in those areas but it should be solely at the owner's risk with no state or federal aid available to rebuild following a hurricane. Next comes the question of the use of state or federal rescue resources should a resident find him/herself trapped after being warned to evacuate. Is the progressive-liberal mentality ready to just let them die? |
Hurricane Irma - After Action Report
On 9/13/17 9:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/13/2017 8:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/13/17 8:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/13/2017 8:22 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/13/17 7:58 AM, justan wrote: Governor Rick Scott has been getting high marks for his efforts to * prepare Florida for the disaster. Does that make up for the huge criminal enterprise Scott ran prior to being governor? You know, the one that earned a $1.7 billion fine for Medicare fraud? Florida is not prepared. If Scott really were concerned about Florida, he'd be spearheading a statewide effort to stop development in low-lying coastal areas, and begin a process of condemning and tearing down susceptible structures in those areas, outlawing mobile homes, and slowing growth generally. Florida is going to get hit again and again and again by these large summer and fall hurricanes, and everyone is going to pace the price for them. We have a low-lying area a few miles north of here, called Chesapeake Beach, a quaint little nameplace full of old cottages and a growing amount of new construction. Nice place, except when Chesapeake Bay overflows and floods homes and businesses for four blocks up from the high water line. That area is a foot or two above sea level. Maybe. Why construction in these places is allowed is beyond my comprehension. I think the national flood insurance program ought to be dropped and replaced by a state-by-state funded program for those states that want it. Let Floridians, Texas, Louisianians, et cetera, pay the price for their folly of never-ending construction along low-lying waterfronts, typically built on "reclaimed" land. Alternately, if the states won't provide flood insurance and mortage companies won't finance homes without flood insurance, well, that eventually will solve the problem. Oh, we're close to the Bay, but...we're about 115' above sea level here. If the Bay floods us, it is the end of the world. You won't flood but a direct hit of a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane would do some serious damage to your famous red barn. Flooding of low-lying seashore areas during a hurricane from Florida to Texas is pretty much inevitable. Cat 4 or 5 hurricane winds up here would be a rarity, but a possibility. We have some large trees that if uprooted could certainly smash through the roof. We've had a few storms with high winds...70-90 mph...but so far our big trees have survived. I've had a few cut down over the years, but we still have a few that make me nervous. The point is, federal flood insurance should NOT be available to property owners in shore areas that keep getting hit. The states should be restricting growth in those areas and funding state flood insurance. Building a home in the Keys, for example, is the height of arrogance and stupidity. Well, this is a rare occasion where I agree with you.* Not sure I'd go as far as prohibiting development of privately held land in those areas but it should be solely at the owner's risk with no state or federal aid available to rebuild following a hurricane.* Next comes the question of the use of state or federal rescue resources should a resident find him/herself trapped after being warned to evacuate.* Is the progressive-liberal mentality ready to just let them die? Death panels seem to be a child of the GOP majority in Congress. :) No, I think rescues should be attempted when possible. But I don't think first responders should be sent out and risk their lives in the height of a dangerous storm to save those too stupid to save themselves after clear and repeated warnings were given. Your constant slams on "progressive-liberal" are as funny as your support of Trump, and are just as foolish. Just about every bit of social progress this country has made is the result of actions by progressive liberals who were fought every step of the way by you conservative regressives. |
Hurricane Irma - After Action Report
On 9/13/2017 9:30 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/13/17 9:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/13/2017 8:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/13/17 8:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/13/2017 8:22 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/13/17 7:58 AM, justan wrote: Governor Rick Scott has been getting high marks for his efforts to * prepare Florida for the disaster. Does that make up for the huge criminal enterprise Scott ran prior to being governor? You know, the one that earned a $1.7 billion fine for Medicare fraud? Florida is not prepared. If Scott really were concerned about Florida, he'd be spearheading a statewide effort to stop development in low-lying coastal areas, and begin a process of condemning and tearing down susceptible structures in those areas, outlawing mobile homes, and slowing growth generally. Florida is going to get hit again and again and again by these large summer and fall hurricanes, and everyone is going to pace the price for them. We have a low-lying area a few miles north of here, called Chesapeake Beach, a quaint little nameplace full of old cottages and a growing amount of new construction. Nice place, except when Chesapeake Bay overflows and floods homes and businesses for four blocks up from the high water line. That area is a foot or two above sea level. Maybe. Why construction in these places is allowed is beyond my comprehension. I think the national flood insurance program ought to be dropped and replaced by a state-by-state funded program for those states that want it. Let Floridians, Texas, Louisianians, et cetera, pay the price for their folly of never-ending construction along low-lying waterfronts, typically built on "reclaimed" land. Alternately, if the states won't provide flood insurance and mortage companies won't finance homes without flood insurance, well, that eventually will solve the problem. Oh, we're close to the Bay, but...we're about 115' above sea level here. If the Bay floods us, it is the end of the world. You won't flood but a direct hit of a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane would do some serious damage to your famous red barn. Flooding of low-lying seashore areas during a hurricane from Florida to Texas is pretty much inevitable. Cat 4 or 5 hurricane winds up here would be a rarity, but a possibility. We have some large trees that if uprooted could certainly smash through the roof. We've had a few storms with high winds...70-90 mph...but so far our big trees have survived. I've had a few cut down over the years, but we still have a few that make me nervous. The point is, federal flood insurance should NOT be available to property owners in shore areas that keep getting hit. The states should be restricting growth in those areas and funding state flood insurance. Building a home in the Keys, for example, is the height of arrogance and stupidity. Well, this is a rare occasion where I agree with you.* Not sure I'd go as far as prohibiting development of privately held land in those areas but it should be solely at the owner's risk with no state or federal aid available to rebuild following a hurricane.* Next comes the question of the use of state or federal rescue resources should a resident find him/herself trapped after being warned to evacuate.* Is the progressive-liberal mentality ready to just let them die? Death panels seem to be a child of the GOP majority in Congress. :) No, I think rescues should be attempted when possible. But I don't think first responders should be sent out and risk their lives in the height of a dangerous storm to save those too stupid to save themselves after clear and repeated warnings were given. Your constant slams on "progressive-liberal" are as funny as your support of Trump, and are just as foolish. Just about every bit of social progress this country has made is the result of actions by progressive liberals who were fought every step of the way by you conservative regressives. Read up on where and how the "progressive" movement originated. Hasn't changed much since it's inception. |
Hurricane Irma - After Action Report
On 9/13/17 9:52 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/13/2017 9:30 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/13/17 9:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/13/2017 8:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/13/17 8:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/13/2017 8:22 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/13/17 7:58 AM, justan wrote: Governor Rick Scott has been getting high marks for his efforts to * prepare Florida for the disaster. Does that make up for the huge criminal enterprise Scott ran prior to being governor? You know, the one that earned a $1.7 billion fine for Medicare fraud? Florida is not prepared. If Scott really were concerned about Florida, he'd be spearheading a statewide effort to stop development in low-lying coastal areas, and begin a process of condemning and tearing down susceptible structures in those areas, outlawing mobile homes, and slowing growth generally. Florida is going to get hit again and again and again by these large summer and fall hurricanes, and everyone is going to pace the price for them. We have a low-lying area a few miles north of here, called Chesapeake Beach, a quaint little nameplace full of old cottages and a growing amount of new construction. Nice place, except when Chesapeake Bay overflows and floods homes and businesses for four blocks up from the high water line. That area is a foot or two above sea level. Maybe. Why construction in these places is allowed is beyond my comprehension. I think the national flood insurance program ought to be dropped and replaced by a state-by-state funded program for those states that want it. Let Floridians, Texas, Louisianians, et cetera, pay the price for their folly of never-ending construction along low-lying waterfronts, typically built on "reclaimed" land. Alternately, if the states won't provide flood insurance and mortage companies won't finance homes without flood insurance, well, that eventually will solve the problem. Oh, we're close to the Bay, but...we're about 115' above sea level here. If the Bay floods us, it is the end of the world. You won't flood but a direct hit of a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane would do some serious damage to your famous red barn. Flooding of low-lying seashore areas during a hurricane from Florida to Texas is pretty much inevitable. Cat 4 or 5 hurricane winds up here would be a rarity, but a possibility. We have some large trees that if uprooted could certainly smash through the roof. We've had a few storms with high winds...70-90 mph...but so far our big trees have survived. I've had a few cut down over the years, but we still have a few that make me nervous. The point is, federal flood insurance should NOT be available to property owners in shore areas that keep getting hit. The states should be restricting growth in those areas and funding state flood insurance. Building a home in the Keys, for example, is the height of arrogance and stupidity. Well, this is a rare occasion where I agree with you.* Not sure I'd go as far as prohibiting development of privately held land in those areas but it should be solely at the owner's risk with no state or federal aid available to rebuild following a hurricane.* Next comes the question of the use of state or federal rescue resources should a resident find him/herself trapped after being warned to evacuate.* Is the progressive-liberal mentality ready to just let them die? Death panels seem to be a child of the GOP majority in Congress. :) No, I think rescues should be attempted when possible. But I don't think first responders should be sent out and risk their lives in the height of a dangerous storm to save those too stupid to save themselves after clear and repeated warnings were given. Your constant slams on "progressive-liberal" are as funny as your support of Trump, and are just as foolish. Just about every bit of social progress this country has made is the result of actions by progressive liberals who were fought every step of the way by you conservative regressives. Read up on where and how the "progressive" movement originated. Hasn't changed much since it's inception. Yes, Washington, Franklin, and Jefferson were progressives. |
Hurricane Irma - After Action Report
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/13/17 8:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/13/2017 8:22 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/13/17 7:58 AM, justan wrote: Governor Rick Scott has been getting high marks for his efforts to prepare Florida for the disaster. Does that make up for the huge criminal enterprise Scott ran prior to being governor? You know, the one that earned a $1.7 billion fine for Medicare fraud? Florida is not prepared. If Scott really were concerned about Florida, he'd be spearheading a statewide effort to stop development in low-lying coastal areas, and begin a process of condemning and tearing down susceptible structures in those areas, outlawing mobile homes, and slowing growth generally. Florida is going to get hit again and again and again by these large summer and fall hurricanes, and everyone is going to pace the price for them. We have a low-lying area a few miles north of here, called Chesapeake Beach, a quaint little nameplace full of old cottages and a growing amount of new construction. Nice place, except when Chesapeake Bay overflows and floods homes and businesses for four blocks up from the high water line. That area is a foot or two above sea level. Maybe. Why construction in these places is allowed is beyond my comprehension. I think the national flood insurance program ought to be dropped and replaced by a state-by-state funded program for those states that want it. Let Floridians, Texas, Louisianians, et cetera, pay the price for their folly of never-ending construction along low-lying waterfronts, typically built on "reclaimed" land. Alternately, if the states won't provide flood insurance and mortage companies won't finance homes without flood insurance, well, that eventually will solve the problem. Oh, we're close to the Bay, but...we're about 115' above sea level here. If the Bay floods us, it is the end of the world. You won't flood but a direct hit of a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane would do some serious damage to your famous red barn. Flooding of low-lying seashore areas during a hurricane from Florida to Texas is pretty much inevitable. Cat 4 or 5 hurricane winds up here would be a rarity, but a possibility. We have some large trees that if uprooted could certainly smash through the roof. We've had a few storms with high winds...70-90 mph...but so far our big trees have survived. I've had a few cut down over the years, but we still have a few that make me nervous. The point is, federal flood insurance should NOT be available to property owners in shore areas that keep getting hit. The states should be restricting growth in those areas and funding state flood insurance. Building a home in the Keys, for example, is the height of arrogance and stupidity. Since you no longer own waterfront property, no one should. Eh? You' ll never change. x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
Hurricane Irma - After Action Report
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 9/13/2017 8:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/13/17 8:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/13/2017 8:22 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/13/17 7:58 AM, justan wrote: Governor Rick Scott has been getting high marks for his efforts to prepare Florida for the disaster. Does that make up for the huge criminal enterprise Scott ran prior to being governor? You know, the one that earned a $1.7 billion fine for Medicare fraud? Florida is not prepared. If Scott really were concerned about Florida, he'd be spearheading a statewide effort to stop development in low-lying coastal areas, and begin a process of condemning and tearing down susceptible structures in those areas, outlawing mobile homes, and slowing growth generally. Florida is going to get hit again and again and again by these large summer and fall hurricanes, and everyone is going to pace the price for them. We have a low-lying area a few miles north of here, called Chesapeake Beach, a quaint little nameplace full of old cottages and a growing amount of new construction. Nice place, except when Chesapeake Bay overflows and floods homes and businesses for four blocks up from the high water line. That area is a foot or two above sea level. Maybe. Why construction in these places is allowed is beyond my comprehension. I think the national flood insurance program ought to be dropped and replaced by a state-by-state funded program for those states that want it. Let Floridians, Texas, Louisianians, et cetera, pay the price for their folly of never-ending construction along low-lying waterfronts, typically built on "reclaimed" land. Alternately, if the states won't provide flood insurance and mortage companies won't finance homes without flood insurance, well, that eventually will solve the problem. Oh, we're close to the Bay, but...we're about 115' above sea level here. If the Bay floods us, it is the end of the world. You won't flood but a direct hit of a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane would do some serious damage to your famous red barn. Flooding of low-lying seashore areas during a hurricane from Florida to Texas is pretty much inevitable. Cat 4 or 5 hurricane winds up here would be a rarity, but a possibility. We have some large trees that if uprooted could certainly smash through the roof. We've had a few storms with high winds...70-90 mph...but so far our big trees have survived. I've had a few cut down over the years, but we still have a few that make me nervous. The point is, federal flood insurance should NOT be available to property owners in shore areas that keep getting hit. The states should be restricting growth in those areas and funding state flood insurance. Building a home in the Keys, for example, is the height of arrogance and stupidity. Well, this is a rare occasion where I agree with you. Not sure I'd go as far as prohibiting development of privately held land in those areas but it should be solely at the owner's risk with no state or federal aid available to rebuild following a hurricane. Next comes the question of the use of state or federal rescue resources should a resident find him/herself trapped after being warned to evacuate. Is the progressive-liberal mentality ready to just let them die? Spoke to a fellow who lives on Sattelite Beach with his son. He said they don't carry flood insurance because it's too expensive. Aparently he isn't poor enough to get it for free, or well subsidized. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
Hurricane Irma - After Action Report
On 9/13/17 11:37 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 9/13/17 8:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/13/2017 8:22 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/13/17 7:58 AM, justan wrote: Governor Rick Scott has been getting high marks for his efforts to prepare Florida for the disaster. Does that make up for the huge criminal enterprise Scott ran prior to being governor? You know, the one that earned a $1.7 billion fine for Medicare fraud? Florida is not prepared. If Scott really were concerned about Florida, he'd be spearheading a statewide effort to stop development in low-lying coastal areas, and begin a process of condemning and tearing down susceptible structures in those areas, outlawing mobile homes, and slowing growth generally. Florida is going to get hit again and again and again by these large summer and fall hurricanes, and everyone is going to pace the price for them. We have a low-lying area a few miles north of here, called Chesapeake Beach, a quaint little nameplace full of old cottages and a growing amount of new construction. Nice place, except when Chesapeake Bay overflows and floods homes and businesses for four blocks up from the high water line. That area is a foot or two above sea level. Maybe. Why construction in these places is allowed is beyond my comprehension. I think the national flood insurance program ought to be dropped and replaced by a state-by-state funded program for those states that want it. Let Floridians, Texas, Louisianians, et cetera, pay the price for their folly of never-ending construction along low-lying waterfronts, typically built on "reclaimed" land. Alternately, if the states won't provide flood insurance and mortage companies won't finance homes without flood insurance, well, that eventually will solve the problem. Oh, we're close to the Bay, but...we're about 115' above sea level here. If the Bay floods us, it is the end of the world. You won't flood but a direct hit of a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane would do some serious damage to your famous red barn. Flooding of low-lying seashore areas during a hurricane from Florida to Texas is pretty much inevitable. Cat 4 or 5 hurricane winds up here would be a rarity, but a possibility. We have some large trees that if uprooted could certainly smash through the roof. We've had a few storms with high winds...70-90 mph...but so far our big trees have survived. I've had a few cut down over the years, but we still have a few that make me nervous. The point is, federal flood insurance should NOT be available to property owners in shore areas that keep getting hit. The states should be restricting growth in those areas and funding state flood insurance. Building a home in the Keys, for example, is the height of arrogance and stupidity. Since you no longer own waterfront property, no one should. Eh? You' ll never change. x Your assumption about waterfront property is, of course, wrong. But the homesite is so high above the water level, we'd all be in arks before it flooded. |
Hurricane Irma - After Action Report
On 9/13/17 11:43 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: On 9/13/2017 8:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/13/17 8:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/13/2017 8:22 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/13/17 7:58 AM, justan wrote: Governor Rick Scott has been getting high marks for his efforts to prepare Florida for the disaster. Does that make up for the huge criminal enterprise Scott ran prior to being governor? You know, the one that earned a $1.7 billion fine for Medicare fraud? Florida is not prepared. If Scott really were concerned about Florida, he'd be spearheading a statewide effort to stop development in low-lying coastal areas, and begin a process of condemning and tearing down susceptible structures in those areas, outlawing mobile homes, and slowing growth generally. Florida is going to get hit again and again and again by these large summer and fall hurricanes, and everyone is going to pace the price for them. We have a low-lying area a few miles north of here, called Chesapeake Beach, a quaint little nameplace full of old cottages and a growing amount of new construction. Nice place, except when Chesapeake Bay overflows and floods homes and businesses for four blocks up from the high water line. That area is a foot or two above sea level. Maybe. Why construction in these places is allowed is beyond my comprehension. I think the national flood insurance program ought to be dropped and replaced by a state-by-state funded program for those states that want it. Let Floridians, Texas, Louisianians, et cetera, pay the price for their folly of never-ending construction along low-lying waterfronts, typically built on "reclaimed" land. Alternately, if the states won't provide flood insurance and mortage companies won't finance homes without flood insurance, well, that eventually will solve the problem. Oh, we're close to the Bay, but...we're about 115' above sea level here. If the Bay floods us, it is the end of the world. You won't flood but a direct hit of a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane would do some serious damage to your famous red barn. Flooding of low-lying seashore areas during a hurricane from Florida to Texas is pretty much inevitable. Cat 4 or 5 hurricane winds up here would be a rarity, but a possibility. We have some large trees that if uprooted could certainly smash through the roof. We've had a few storms with high winds...70-90 mph...but so far our big trees have survived. I've had a few cut down over the years, but we still have a few that make me nervous. The point is, federal flood insurance should NOT be available to property owners in shore areas that keep getting hit. The states should be restricting growth in those areas and funding state flood insurance. Building a home in the Keys, for example, is the height of arrogance and stupidity. Well, this is a rare occasion where I agree with you. Not sure I'd go as far as prohibiting development of privately held land in those areas but it should be solely at the owner's risk with no state or federal aid available to rebuild following a hurricane. Next comes the question of the use of state or federal rescue resources should a resident find him/herself trapped after being warned to evacuate. Is the progressive-liberal mentality ready to just let them die? Spoke to a fellow who lives on Sattelite Beach with his son. He said they don't carry flood insurance because it's too expensive. Aparently he isn't poor enough to get it for free, or well subsidized. Subsidized flood insurance should be eliminated. Let the property owners bear the burden of living at a low-lying beach or in a flood plain. |
Hurricane Irma - After Action Report
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/13/17 11:37 AM, justan wrote: Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 9/13/17 8:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/13/2017 8:22 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/13/17 7:58 AM, justan wrote: Governor Rick Scott has been getting high marks for his efforts to prepare Florida for the disaster. Does that make up for the huge criminal enterprise Scott ran prior to being governor? You know, the one that earned a $1.7 billion fine for Medicare fraud? Florida is not prepared. If Scott really were concerned about Florida, he'd be spearheading a statewide effort to stop development in low-lying coastal areas, and begin a process of condemning and tearing down susceptible structures in those areas, outlawing mobile homes, and slowing growth generally. Florida is going to get hit again and again and again by these large summer and fall hurricanes, and everyone is going to pace the price for them. We have a low-lying area a few miles north of here, called Chesapeake Beach, a quaint little nameplace full of old cottages and a growing amount of new construction. Nice place, except when Chesapeake Bay overflows and floods homes and businesses for four blocks up from the high water line. That area is a foot or two above sea level. Maybe. Why construction in these places is allowed is beyond my comprehension. I think the national flood insurance program ought to be dropped and replaced by a state-by-state funded program for those states that want it. Let Floridians, Texas, Louisianians, et cetera, pay the price for their folly of never-ending construction along low-lying waterfronts, typically built on "reclaimed" land. Alternately, if the states won't provide flood insurance and mortage companies won't finance homes without flood insurance, well, that eventually will solve the problem. Oh, we're close to the Bay, but...we're about 115' above sea level here. If the Bay floods us, it is the end of the world. You won't flood but a direct hit of a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane would do some serious damage to your famous red barn. Flooding of low-lying seashore areas during a hurricane from Florida to Texas is pretty much inevitable. Cat 4 or 5 hurricane winds up here would be a rarity, but a possibility. We have some large trees that if uprooted could certainly smash through the roof. We've had a few storms with high winds...70-90 mph...but so far our big trees have survived. I've had a few cut down over the years, but we still have a few that make me nervous. The point is, federal flood insurance should NOT be available to property owners in shore areas that keep getting hit. The states should be restricting growth in those areas and funding state flood insurance. Building a home in the Keys, for example, is the height of arrogance and stupidity. Since you no longer own waterfront property, no one should. Eh? You' ll never change. x Your assumption about waterfront property is, of course, wrong. But the homesite is so high above the water level, we'd all be in arks before it flooded. You never owned waterfront property? -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
Hurricane Irma - After Action Report
justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 9/13/17 11:37 AM, justan wrote: Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 9/13/17 8:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/13/2017 8:22 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/13/17 7:58 AM, justan wrote: Governor Rick Scott has been getting high marks for his efforts to prepare Florida for the disaster. Does that make up for the huge criminal enterprise Scott ran prior to being governor? You know, the one that earned a $1.7 billion fine for Medicare fraud? Florida is not prepared. If Scott really were concerned about Florida, he'd be spearheading a statewide effort to stop development in low-lying coastal areas, and begin a process of condemning and tearing down susceptible structures in those areas, outlawing mobile homes, and slowing growth generally. Florida is going to get hit again and again and again by these large summer and fall hurricanes, and everyone is going to pace the price for them. We have a low-lying area a few miles north of here, called Chesapeake Beach, a quaint little nameplace full of old cottages and a growing amount of new construction. Nice place, except when Chesapeake Bay overflows and floods homes and businesses for four blocks up from the high water line. That area is a foot or two above sea level. Maybe. Why construction in these places is allowed is beyond my comprehension. I think the national flood insurance program ought to be dropped and replaced by a state-by-state funded program for those states that want it. Let Floridians, Texas, Louisianians, et cetera, pay the price for their folly of never-ending construction along low-lying waterfronts, typically built on "reclaimed" land. Alternately, if the states won't provide flood insurance and mortage companies won't finance homes without flood insurance, well, that eventually will solve the problem. Oh, we're close to the Bay, but...we're about 115' above sea level here. If the Bay floods us, it is the end of the world. You won't flood but a direct hit of a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane would do some serious damage to your famous red barn. Flooding of low-lying seashore areas during a hurricane from Florida to Texas is pretty much inevitable. Cat 4 or 5 hurricane winds up here would be a rarity, but a possibility. We have some large trees that if uprooted could certainly smash through the roof. We've had a few storms with high winds...70-90 mph...but so far our big trees have survived. I've had a few cut down over the years, but we still have a few that make me nervous. The point is, federal flood insurance should NOT be available to property owners in shore areas that keep getting hit. The states should be restricting growth in those areas and funding state flood insurance. Building a home in the Keys, for example, is the height of arrogance and stupidity. Since you no longer own waterfront property, no one should. Eh? You' ll never change. x Your assumption about waterfront property is, of course, wrong. But the homesite is so high above the water level, we'd all be in arks before it flooded. You never owned waterfront property? If only you had a brain... -- Posted with my iPhone 7+. |
Hurricane Irma - After Action Report
On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 13:31:00 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:
justan wrote: Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 9/13/17 11:37 AM, justan wrote: Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 9/13/17 8:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/13/2017 8:22 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/13/17 7:58 AM, justan wrote: Governor Rick Scott has been getting high marks for his efforts to prepare Florida for the disaster. Does that make up for the huge criminal enterprise Scott ran prior to being governor? You know, the one that earned a $1.7 billion fine for Medicare fraud? Florida is not prepared. If Scott really were concerned about Florida, he'd be spearheading a statewide effort to stop development in low-lying coastal areas, and begin a process of condemning and tearing down susceptible structures in those areas, outlawing mobile homes, and slowing growth generally. Florida is going to get hit again and again and again by these large summer and fall hurricanes, and everyone is going to pace the price for them. We have a low-lying area a few miles north of here, called Chesapeake Beach, a quaint little nameplace full of old cottages and a growing amount of new construction. Nice place, except when Chesapeake Bay overflows and floods homes and businesses for four blocks up from the high water line. That area is a foot or two above sea level. Maybe. Why construction in these places is allowed is beyond my comprehension. I think the national flood insurance program ought to be dropped and replaced by a state-by-state funded program for those states that want it. Let Floridians, Texas, Louisianians, et cetera, pay the price for their folly of never-ending construction along low-lying waterfronts, typically built on "reclaimed" land. Alternately, if the states won't provide flood insurance and mortage companies won't finance homes without flood insurance, well, that eventually will solve the problem. Oh, we're close to the Bay, but...we're about 115' above sea level here. If the Bay floods us, it is the end of the world. You won't flood but a direct hit of a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane would do some serious damage to your famous red barn. Flooding of low-lying seashore areas during a hurricane from Florida to Texas is pretty much inevitable. Cat 4 or 5 hurricane winds up here would be a rarity, but a possibility. We have some large trees that if uprooted could certainly smash through the roof. We've had a few storms with high winds...70-90 mph...but so far our big trees have survived. I've had a few cut down over the years, but we still have a few that make me nervous. The point is, federal flood insurance should NOT be available to property owners in shore areas that keep getting hit. The states should be restricting growth in those areas and funding state flood insurance. Building a home in the Keys, for example, is the height of arrogance and stupidity. Since you no longer own waterfront property, no one should. Eh? You' ll never change. x Your assumption about waterfront property is, of course, wrong. But the homesite is so high above the water level, we'd all be in arks before it flooded. You never owned waterfront property? If only you had a brain... Sore spot? |
Hurricane Irma - After Action Report
On 9/13/2017 11:07 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/13/17 9:52 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/13/2017 9:30 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/13/17 9:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/13/2017 8:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/13/17 8:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/13/2017 8:22 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/13/17 7:58 AM, justan wrote: Governor Rick Scott has been getting high marks for his efforts to * prepare Florida for the disaster. Does that make up for the huge criminal enterprise Scott ran prior to being governor? You know, the one that earned a $1.7 billion fine for Medicare fraud? Florida is not prepared. If Scott really were concerned about Florida, he'd be spearheading a statewide effort to stop development in low-lying coastal areas, and begin a process of condemning and tearing down susceptible structures in those areas, outlawing mobile homes, and slowing growth generally. Florida is going to get hit again and again and again by these large summer and fall hurricanes, and everyone is going to pace the price for them. We have a low-lying area a few miles north of here, called Chesapeake Beach, a quaint little nameplace full of old cottages and a growing amount of new construction. Nice place, except when Chesapeake Bay overflows and floods homes and businesses for four blocks up from the high water line. That area is a foot or two above sea level. Maybe. Why construction in these places is allowed is beyond my comprehension. I think the national flood insurance program ought to be dropped and replaced by a state-by-state funded program for those states that want it. Let Floridians, Texas, Louisianians, et cetera, pay the price for their folly of never-ending construction along low-lying waterfronts, typically built on "reclaimed" land. Alternately, if the states won't provide flood insurance and mortage companies won't finance homes without flood insurance, well, that eventually will solve the problem. Oh, we're close to the Bay, but...we're about 115' above sea level here. If the Bay floods us, it is the end of the world. You won't flood but a direct hit of a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane would do some serious damage to your famous red barn. Flooding of low-lying seashore areas during a hurricane from Florida to Texas is pretty much inevitable. Cat 4 or 5 hurricane winds up here would be a rarity, but a possibility. We have some large trees that if uprooted could certainly smash through the roof. We've had a few storms with high winds...70-90 mph...but so far our big trees have survived. I've had a few cut down over the years, but we still have a few that make me nervous. The point is, federal flood insurance should NOT be available to property owners in shore areas that keep getting hit. The states should be restricting growth in those areas and funding state flood insurance. Building a home in the Keys, for example, is the height of arrogance and stupidity. Well, this is a rare occasion where I agree with you.* Not sure I'd go as far as prohibiting development of privately held land in those areas but it should be solely at the owner's risk with no state or federal aid available to rebuild following a hurricane.* Next comes the question of the use of state or federal rescue resources should a resident find him/herself trapped after being warned to evacuate. Is the progressive-liberal mentality ready to just let them die? Death panels seem to be a child of the GOP majority in Congress. :) No, I think rescues should be attempted when possible. But I don't think first responders should be sent out and risk their lives in the height of a dangerous storm to save those too stupid to save themselves after clear and repeated warnings were given. Your constant slams on "progressive-liberal" are as funny as your support of Trump, and are just as foolish. Just about every bit of social progress this country has made is the result of actions by progressive liberals who were fought every step of the way by you conservative regressives. Read up on where and how the "progressive" movement originated. Hasn't changed much since it's inception. Yes, Washington, Franklin, and Jefferson were progressives. Nice try, but no, they were not. |
Hurricane Irma - After Action Report
On 9/13/2017 11:49 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/13/17 11:37 AM, justan wrote: Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 9/13/17 8:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/13/2017 8:22 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/13/17 7:58 AM, justan wrote: Governor Rick Scott has been getting high marks for his efforts to ** prepare Florida for the disaster. Does that make up for the huge criminal enterprise Scott ran prior to being governor? You know, the one that earned a $1.7 billion fine for Medicare fraud? Florida is not prepared. If Scott really were concerned about Florida, he'd be spearheading a statewide effort to stop development in low-lying coastal areas, and begin a process of condemning and tearing down susceptible structures in those areas, outlawing mobile homes, and slowing growth generally. Florida is going to get hit again and again and again by these large summer and fall hurricanes, and everyone is going to pace the price for them. We have a low-lying area a few miles north of here, called Chesapeake Beach, a quaint little nameplace full of old cottages and a growing amount of new construction. Nice place, except when Chesapeake Bay overflows and floods homes and businesses for four blocks up from the high water line. That area is a foot or two above sea level. Maybe. Why construction in these places is allowed is beyond my comprehension. I think the national flood insurance program ought to be dropped and replaced by a state-by-state funded program for those states that want it. Let Floridians, Texas, Louisianians, et cetera, pay the price for their folly of never-ending construction along low-lying waterfronts, typically built on "reclaimed" land. Alternately, if the states won't provide flood insurance and mortage companies won't finance homes without flood insurance, well, that eventually will solve the problem. Oh, we're close to the Bay, but...we're about 115' above sea level here. If the Bay floods us, it is the end of the world. You won't flood but a direct hit of a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane would do some serious damage to your famous red barn. Flooding of low-lying seashore areas during a hurricane from Florida to Texas is pretty much inevitable. Cat 4 or 5 hurricane winds up here would be a rarity, but a possibility. We have some large trees that if uprooted could certainly smash through the roof. We've had a few storms with high winds...70-90 mph...but so far our big trees have survived. I've had a few cut down over the years, but we still have a few that make me nervous. The point is, federal flood insurance should NOT be available to property owners in shore areas that keep getting hit. The states should be restricting growth in those areas and funding state flood insurance. Building a home in the Keys, for example, is the height of arrogance and stupidity. Since you no longer own waterfront property, no one should. Eh? * You' ll never change. x Your assumption about waterfront property is, of course, wrong. But the homesite is so high above the water level, we'd all be in arks before it flooded. You believe in the "Ark" story? Wow. |
Hurricane Irma - After Action Report
On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 14:08:10 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 9/13/2017 11:49 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/13/17 11:37 AM, justan wrote: Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 9/13/17 8:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/13/2017 8:22 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/13/17 7:58 AM, justan wrote: Governor Rick Scott has been getting high marks for his efforts to ** prepare Florida for the disaster. Does that make up for the huge criminal enterprise Scott ran prior to being governor? You know, the one that earned a $1.7 billion fine for Medicare fraud? Florida is not prepared. If Scott really were concerned about Florida, he'd be spearheading a statewide effort to stop development in low-lying coastal areas, and begin a process of condemning and tearing down susceptible structures in those areas, outlawing mobile homes, and slowing growth generally. Florida is going to get hit again and again and again by these large summer and fall hurricanes, and everyone is going to pace the price for them. We have a low-lying area a few miles north of here, called Chesapeake Beach, a quaint little nameplace full of old cottages and a growing amount of new construction. Nice place, except when Chesapeake Bay overflows and floods homes and businesses for four blocks up from the high water line. That area is a foot or two above sea level. Maybe. Why construction in these places is allowed is beyond my comprehension. I think the national flood insurance program ought to be dropped and replaced by a state-by-state funded program for those states that want it. Let Floridians, Texas, Louisianians, et cetera, pay the price for their folly of never-ending construction along low-lying waterfronts, typically built on "reclaimed" land. Alternately, if the states won't provide flood insurance and mortage companies won't finance homes without flood insurance, well, that eventually will solve the problem. Oh, we're close to the Bay, but...we're about 115' above sea level here. If the Bay floods us, it is the end of the world. You won't flood but a direct hit of a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane would do some serious damage to your famous red barn. Flooding of low-lying seashore areas during a hurricane from Florida to Texas is pretty much inevitable. Cat 4 or 5 hurricane winds up here would be a rarity, but a possibility. We have some large trees that if uprooted could certainly smash through the roof. We've had a few storms with high winds...70-90 mph...but so far our big trees have survived. I've had a few cut down over the years, but we still have a few that make me nervous. The point is, federal flood insurance should NOT be available to property owners in shore areas that keep getting hit. The states should be restricting growth in those areas and funding state flood insurance. Building a home in the Keys, for example, is the height of arrogance and stupidity. Since you no longer own waterfront property, no one should. Eh? * You' ll never change. x Your assumption about waterfront property is, of course, wrong. But the homesite is so high above the water level, we'd all be in arks before it flooded. You believe in the "Ark" story? Wow. 'His' Maryland Red barn is on higher ground. He'd most likely head there. Probably coop up with his owls. |
Hurricane Irma - After Action Report
John H Wrote in message:
On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 13:31:00 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: justan wrote: Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 9/13/17 11:37 AM, justan wrote: Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 9/13/17 8:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/13/2017 8:22 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/13/17 7:58 AM, justan wrote: Governor Rick Scott has been getting high marks for his efforts to prepare Florida for the disaster. Does that make up for the huge criminal enterprise Scott ran prior to being governor? You know, the one that earned a $1.7 billion fine for Medicare fraud? Florida is not prepared. If Scott really were concerned about Florida, he'd be spearheading a statewide effort to stop development in low-lying coastal areas, and begin a process of condemning and tearing down susceptible structures in those areas, outlawing mobile homes, and slowing growth generally. Florida is going to get hit again and again and again by these large summer and fall hurricanes, and everyone is going to pace the price for them. We have a low-lying area a few miles north of here, called Chesapeake Beach, a quaint little nameplace full of old cottages and a growing amount of new construction. Nice place, except when Chesapeake Bay overflows and floods homes and businesses for four blocks up from the high water line. That area is a foot or two above sea level. Maybe. Why construction in these places is allowed is beyond my comprehension. I think the national flood insurance program ought to be dropped and replaced by a state-by-state funded program for those states that want it. Let Floridians, Texas, Louisianians, et cetera, pay the price for their folly of never-ending construction along low-lying waterfronts, typically built on "reclaimed" land. Alternately, if the states won't provide flood insurance and mortage companies won't finance homes without flood insurance, well, that eventually will solve the problem. Oh, we're close to the Bay, but...we're about 115' above sea level here. If the Bay floods us, it is the end of the world. You won't flood but a direct hit of a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane would do some serious damage to your famous red barn. Flooding of low-lying seashore areas during a hurricane from Florida to Texas is pretty much inevitable. Cat 4 or 5 hurricane winds up here would be a rarity, but a possibility. We have some large trees that if uprooted could certainly smash through the roof. We've had a few storms with high winds...70-90 mph...but so far our big trees have survived. I've had a few cut down over the years, but we still have a few that make me nervous. The point is, federal flood insurance should NOT be available to property owners in shore areas that keep getting hit. The states should be restricting growth in those areas and funding state flood insurance. Building a home in the Keys, for example, is the height of arrogance and stupidity. Since you no longer own waterfront property, no one should. Eh? You' ll never change. x Your assumption about waterfront property is, of course, wrong. But the homesite is so high above the water level, we'd all be in arks before it flooded. You never owned waterfront property? If only you had a brain... Sore spot? Remember him complaining of jet skis buzzing his property? -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
Hurricane Irma - After Action Report
On 9/13/17 2:08 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/13/2017 11:49 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/13/17 11:37 AM, justan wrote: Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 9/13/17 8:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/13/2017 8:22 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/13/17 7:58 AM, justan wrote: Governor Rick Scott has been getting high marks for his efforts to ** prepare Florida for the disaster. Does that make up for the huge criminal enterprise Scott ran prior to being governor? You know, the one that earned a $1.7 billion fine for Medicare fraud? Florida is not prepared. If Scott really were concerned about Florida, he'd be spearheading a statewide effort to stop development in low-lying coastal areas, and begin a process of condemning and tearing down susceptible structures in those areas, outlawing mobile homes, and slowing growth generally. Florida is going to get hit again and again and again by these large summer and fall hurricanes, and everyone is going to pace the price for them. We have a low-lying area a few miles north of here, called Chesapeake Beach, a quaint little nameplace full of old cottages and a growing amount of new construction. Nice place, except when Chesapeake Bay overflows and floods homes and businesses for four blocks up from the high water line. That area is a foot or two above sea level. Maybe. Why construction in these places is allowed is beyond my comprehension. I think the national flood insurance program ought to be dropped and replaced by a state-by-state funded program for those states that want it. Let Floridians, Texas, Louisianians, et cetera, pay the price for their folly of never-ending construction along low-lying waterfronts, typically built on "reclaimed" land. Alternately, if the states won't provide flood insurance and mortage companies won't finance homes without flood insurance, well, that eventually will solve the problem. Oh, we're close to the Bay, but...we're about 115' above sea level here. If the Bay floods us, it is the end of the world. You won't flood but a direct hit of a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane would do some serious damage to your famous red barn. Flooding of low-lying seashore areas during a hurricane from Florida to Texas is pretty much inevitable. Cat 4 or 5 hurricane winds up here would be a rarity, but a possibility. We have some large trees that if uprooted could certainly smash through the roof. We've had a few storms with high winds...70-90 mph...but so far our big trees have survived. I've had a few cut down over the years, but we still have a few that make me nervous. The point is, federal flood insurance should NOT be available to property owners in shore areas that keep getting hit. The states should be restricting growth in those areas and funding state flood insurance. Building a home in the Keys, for example, is the height of arrogance and stupidity. Since you no longer own waterfront property, no one should. Eh? * You' ll never change. x Your assumption about waterfront property is, of course, wrong. But the homesite is so high above the water level, we'd all be in arks before it flooded. You believe in the "Ark" story?* Wow. As a figure of speech. As an historical "fact," of course not. Oh, Biblical conflicts. Adam and Eve had three kids, Cain, Abel and Seth. See a problem with that? Was that really "corrected" later in Genesis? And did Cain really marry his sister? What a laugh. |
Hurricane Irma - After Action Report
On 9/13/17 2:14 PM, justan wrote:
John H Wrote in message: On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 13:31:00 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: justan wrote: Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 9/13/17 11:37 AM, justan wrote: Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 9/13/17 8:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/13/2017 8:22 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/13/17 7:58 AM, justan wrote: Governor Rick Scott has been getting high marks for his efforts to prepare Florida for the disaster. Does that make up for the huge criminal enterprise Scott ran prior to being governor? You know, the one that earned a $1.7 billion fine for Medicare fraud? Florida is not prepared. If Scott really were concerned about Florida, he'd be spearheading a statewide effort to stop development in low-lying coastal areas, and begin a process of condemning and tearing down susceptible structures in those areas, outlawing mobile homes, and slowing growth generally. Florida is going to get hit again and again and again by these large summer and fall hurricanes, and everyone is going to pace the price for them. We have a low-lying area a few miles north of here, called Chesapeake Beach, a quaint little nameplace full of old cottages and a growing amount of new construction. Nice place, except when Chesapeake Bay overflows and floods homes and businesses for four blocks up from the high water line. That area is a foot or two above sea level. Maybe. Why construction in these places is allowed is beyond my comprehension. I think the national flood insurance program ought to be dropped and replaced by a state-by-state funded program for those states that want it. Let Floridians, Texas, Louisianians, et cetera, pay the price for their folly of never-ending construction along low-lying waterfronts, typically built on "reclaimed" land. Alternately, if the states won't provide flood insurance and mortage companies won't finance homes without flood insurance, well, that eventually will solve the problem. Oh, we're close to the Bay, but...we're about 115' above sea level here. If the Bay floods us, it is the end of the world. You won't flood but a direct hit of a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane would do some serious damage to your famous red barn. Flooding of low-lying seashore areas during a hurricane from Florida to Texas is pretty much inevitable. Cat 4 or 5 hurricane winds up here would be a rarity, but a possibility. We have some large trees that if uprooted could certainly smash through the roof. We've had a few storms with high winds...70-90 mph...but so far our big trees have survived. I've had a few cut down over the years, but we still have a few that make me nervous. The point is, federal flood insurance should NOT be available to property owners in shore areas that keep getting hit. The states should be restricting growth in those areas and funding state flood insurance. Building a home in the Keys, for example, is the height of arrogance and stupidity. Since you no longer own waterfront property, no one should. Eh? You' ll never change. x Your assumption about waterfront property is, of course, wrong. But the homesite is so high above the water level, we'd all be in arks before it flooded. You never owned waterfront property? If only you had a brain... Sore spot? Remember him complaining of jet skis buzzing his property? That's right, they did run up and down the ICW near us. But the real "annoyers" were the several airboats. Our current "waterfront" property isn't plagued with either...just canoes, kayaks, and once in a great while a small electric outboard boat, but only when the water on the river is high. Too many boulders in the river near our spot. |
Hurricane Irma - After Action Report
On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 14:35:20 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/13/17 2:14 PM, justan wrote: John H Wrote in message: On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 13:31:00 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: justan wrote: Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 9/13/17 11:37 AM, justan wrote: Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 9/13/17 8:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/13/2017 8:22 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/13/17 7:58 AM, justan wrote: Governor Rick Scott has been getting high marks for his efforts to prepare Florida for the disaster. Does that make up for the huge criminal enterprise Scott ran prior to being governor? You know, the one that earned a $1.7 billion fine for Medicare fraud? Florida is not prepared. If Scott really were concerned about Florida, he'd be spearheading a statewide effort to stop development in low-lying coastal areas, and begin a process of condemning and tearing down susceptible structures in those areas, outlawing mobile homes, and slowing growth generally. Florida is going to get hit again and again and again by these large summer and fall hurricanes, and everyone is going to pace the price for them. We have a low-lying area a few miles north of here, called Chesapeake Beach, a quaint little nameplace full of old cottages and a growing amount of new construction. Nice place, except when Chesapeake Bay overflows and floods homes and businesses for four blocks up from the high water line. That area is a foot or two above sea level. Maybe. Why construction in these places is allowed is beyond my comprehension. I think the national flood insurance program ought to be dropped and replaced by a state-by-state funded program for those states that want it. Let Floridians, Texas, Louisianians, et cetera, pay the price for their folly of never-ending construction along low-lying waterfronts, typically built on "reclaimed" land. Alternately, if the states won't provide flood insurance and mortage companies won't finance homes without flood insurance, well, that eventually will solve the problem. Oh, we're close to the Bay, but...we're about 115' above sea level here. If the Bay floods us, it is the end of the world. You won't flood but a direct hit of a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane would do some serious damage to your famous red barn. Flooding of low-lying seashore areas during a hurricane from Florida to Texas is pretty much inevitable. Cat 4 or 5 hurricane winds up here would be a rarity, but a possibility. We have some large trees that if uprooted could certainly smash through the roof. We've had a few storms with high winds...70-90 mph...but so far our big trees have survived. I've had a few cut down over the years, but we still have a few that make me nervous. The point is, federal flood insurance should NOT be available to property owners in shore areas that keep getting hit. The states should be restricting growth in those areas and funding state flood insurance. Building a home in the Keys, for example, is the height of arrogance and stupidity. Since you no longer own waterfront property, no one should. Eh? You' ll never change. x Your assumption about waterfront property is, of course, wrong. But the homesite is so high above the water level, we'd all be in arks before it flooded. You never owned waterfront property? If only you had a brain... Sore spot? Remember him complaining of jet skis buzzing his property? That's right, they did run up and down the ICW near us. But the real "annoyers" were the several airboats. Our current "waterfront" property isn't plagued with either...just canoes, kayaks, and once in a great while a small electric outboard boat, but only when the water on the river is high. Too many boulders in the river near our spot. He needs to back out of this discussion before he sees his boo-boo. |
Hurricane Irma - After Action Report
On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 14:30:08 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/13/17 2:08 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/13/2017 11:49 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/13/17 11:37 AM, justan wrote: Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 9/13/17 8:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/13/2017 8:22 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/13/17 7:58 AM, justan wrote: Governor Rick Scott has been getting high marks for his efforts to ** prepare Florida for the disaster. Does that make up for the huge criminal enterprise Scott ran prior to being governor? You know, the one that earned a $1.7 billion fine for Medicare fraud? Florida is not prepared. If Scott really were concerned about Florida, he'd be spearheading a statewide effort to stop development in low-lying coastal areas, and begin a process of condemning and tearing down susceptible structures in those areas, outlawing mobile homes, and slowing growth generally. Florida is going to get hit again and again and again by these large summer and fall hurricanes, and everyone is going to pace the price for them. We have a low-lying area a few miles north of here, called Chesapeake Beach, a quaint little nameplace full of old cottages and a growing amount of new construction. Nice place, except when Chesapeake Bay overflows and floods homes and businesses for four blocks up from the high water line. That area is a foot or two above sea level. Maybe. Why construction in these places is allowed is beyond my comprehension. I think the national flood insurance program ought to be dropped and replaced by a state-by-state funded program for those states that want it. Let Floridians, Texas, Louisianians, et cetera, pay the price for their folly of never-ending construction along low-lying waterfronts, typically built on "reclaimed" land. Alternately, if the states won't provide flood insurance and mortage companies won't finance homes without flood insurance, well, that eventually will solve the problem. Oh, we're close to the Bay, but...we're about 115' above sea level here. If the Bay floods us, it is the end of the world. You won't flood but a direct hit of a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane would do some serious damage to your famous red barn. Flooding of low-lying seashore areas during a hurricane from Florida to Texas is pretty much inevitable. Cat 4 or 5 hurricane winds up here would be a rarity, but a possibility. We have some large trees that if uprooted could certainly smash through the roof. We've had a few storms with high winds...70-90 mph...but so far our big trees have survived. I've had a few cut down over the years, but we still have a few that make me nervous. The point is, federal flood insurance should NOT be available to property owners in shore areas that keep getting hit. The states should be restricting growth in those areas and funding state flood insurance. Building a home in the Keys, for example, is the height of arrogance and stupidity. Since you no longer own waterfront property, no one should. Eh? * You' ll never change. x Your assumption about waterfront property is, of course, wrong. But the homesite is so high above the water level, we'd all be in arks before it flooded. You believe in the "Ark" story?* Wow. As a figure of speech. As an historical "fact," of course not. Oh, Biblical conflicts. Adam and Eve had three kids, Cain, Abel and Seth. See a problem with that? Was that really "corrected" later in Genesis? And did Cain really marry his sister? What a laugh. On a daily basis folks say "What a laugh!" about the crap you write. And you're supposed to be a professional. |
Hurricane Irma - After Action Report
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/13/2017 8:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/13/17 8:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/13/2017 8:22 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/13/17 7:58 AM, justan wrote: Governor Rick Scott has been getting high marks for his efforts to Â* prepare Florida for the disaster. Does that make up for the huge criminal enterprise Scott ran prior to being governor? You know, the one that earned a $1.7 billion fine for Medicare fraud? Florida is not prepared. If Scott really were concerned about Florida, he'd be spearheading a statewide effort to stop development in low-lying coastal areas, and begin a process of condemning and tearing down susceptible structures in those areas, outlawing mobile homes, and slowing growth generally. Florida is going to get hit again and again and again by these large summer and fall hurricanes, and everyone is going to pace the price for them. We have a low-lying area a few miles north of here, called Chesapeake Beach, a quaint little nameplace full of old cottages and a growing amount of new construction. Nice place, except when Chesapeake Bay overflows and floods homes and businesses for four blocks up from the high water line. That area is a foot or two above sea level. Maybe. Why construction in these places is allowed is beyond my comprehension. I think the national flood insurance program ought to be dropped and replaced by a state-by-state funded program for those states that want it. Let Floridians, Texas, Louisianians, et cetera, pay the price for their folly of never-ending construction along low-lying waterfronts, typically built on "reclaimed" land. Alternately, if the states won't provide flood insurance and mortage companies won't finance homes without flood insurance, well, that eventually will solve the problem. Oh, we're close to the Bay, but...we're about 115' above sea level here. If the Bay floods us, it is the end of the world. You won't flood but a direct hit of a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane would do some serious damage to your famous red barn. Flooding of low-lying seashore areas during a hurricane from Florida to Texas is pretty much inevitable. Cat 4 or 5 hurricane winds up here would be a rarity, but a possibility. We have some large trees that if uprooted could certainly smash through the roof. We've had a few storms with high winds...70-90 mph...but so far our big trees have survived. I've had a few cut down over the years, but we still have a few that make me nervous. The point is, federal flood insurance should NOT be available to property owners in shore areas that keep getting hit. The states should be restricting growth in those areas and funding state flood insurance. Building a home in the Keys, for example, is the height of arrogance and stupidity. Well, this is a rare occasion where I agree with you. Not sure I'd go as far as prohibiting development of privately held land in those areas but it should be solely at the owner's risk with no state or federal aid available to rebuild following a hurricane. Next comes the question of the use of state or federal rescue resources should a resident find him/herself trapped after being warned to evacuate. Is the progressive-liberal mentality ready to just let them die? The Russian River here in California flooded nearly yearly. Finally, the state and Fed's said, no more insurance. I think also happened on places on the Mississippi. Or make it like Earthquake Insurance. 25% deductible, and high costs to buy it. I have been though a 5.8 about 5 miles from the house, and the Loma Prieta quake. The 5.8 racked the pool, $5200 to fix. No insurance. My house is about as far as you can get from a fault line in the Bay Area. About 3 miles. But I am on mostly rock. So my bet is no insurance. I can rebuild the house for a couple hundred K. Land is not going to lose value. |
Hurricane Irma - After Action Report
On Wednesday, September 13, 2017 at 1:30:13 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/13/17 2:08 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/13/2017 11:49 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/13/17 11:37 AM, justan wrote: Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 9/13/17 8:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/13/2017 8:22 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/13/17 7:58 AM, justan wrote: Governor Rick Scott has been getting high marks for his efforts to Â*Â* prepare Florida for the disaster. Does that make up for the huge criminal enterprise Scott ran prior to being governor? You know, the one that earned a $1.7 billion fine for Medicare fraud? Florida is not prepared. If Scott really were concerned about Florida, he'd be spearheading a statewide effort to stop development in low-lying coastal areas, and begin a process of condemning and tearing down susceptible structures in those areas, outlawing mobile homes, and slowing growth generally. Florida is going to get hit again and again and again by these large summer and fall hurricanes, and everyone is going to pace the price for them. We have a low-lying area a few miles north of here, called Chesapeake Beach, a quaint little nameplace full of old cottages and a growing amount of new construction. Nice place, except when Chesapeake Bay overflows and floods homes and businesses for four blocks up from the high water line. That area is a foot or two above sea level. Maybe.. Why construction in these places is allowed is beyond my comprehension. I think the national flood insurance program ought to be dropped and replaced by a state-by-state funded program for those states that want it. Let Floridians, Texas, Louisianians, et cetera, pay the price for their folly of never-ending construction along low-lying waterfronts, typically built on "reclaimed" land. Alternately, if the states won't provide flood insurance and mortage companies won't finance homes without flood insurance, well, that eventually will solve the problem. Oh, we're close to the Bay, but...we're about 115' above sea level here. If the Bay floods us, it is the end of the world. You won't flood but a direct hit of a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane would do some serious damage to your famous red barn. Flooding of low-lying seashore areas during a hurricane from Florida to Texas is pretty much inevitable. Cat 4 or 5 hurricane winds up here would be a rarity, but a possibility. We have some large trees that if uprooted could certainly smash through the roof. We've had a few storms with high winds...70-90 mph...but so far our big trees have survived.. I've had a few cut down over the years, but we still have a few that make me nervous. The point is, federal flood insurance should NOT be available to property owners in shore areas that keep getting hit. The states should be restricting growth in those areas and funding state flood insurance. Building a home in the Keys, for example, is the height of arrogance and stupidity. Since you no longer own waterfront property, no one should. Eh? Â* You' ll never change. x Your assumption about waterfront property is, of course, wrong. But the homesite is so high above the water level, we'd all be in arks before it flooded. You believe in the "Ark" story?Â* Wow. As a figure of speech. As an historical "fact," of course not. Oh, Biblical conflicts. Adam and Eve had three kids, Cain, Abel and Seth. See a problem with that? Was that really "corrected" later in Genesis? And did Cain really marry his sister? What a laugh. Genesis 5:4 |
Hurricane Irma - After Action Report
John H Wrote in message:
On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 14:35:20 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/13/17 2:14 PM, justan wrote: John H Wrote in message: On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 13:31:00 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: justan wrote: Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 9/13/17 11:37 AM, justan wrote: Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 9/13/17 8:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 9/13/2017 8:22 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/13/17 7:58 AM, justan wrote: Governor Rick Scott has been getting high marks for his efforts to prepare Florida for the disaster. Does that make up for the huge criminal enterprise Scott ran prior to being governor? You know, the one that earned a $1.7 billion fine for Medicare fraud? Florida is not prepared. If Scott really were concerned about Florida, he'd be spearheading a statewide effort to stop development in low-lying coastal areas, and begin a process of condemning and tearing down susceptible structures in those areas, outlawing mobile homes, and slowing growth generally. Florida is going to get hit again and again and again by these large summer and fall hurricanes, and everyone is going to pace the price for them. We have a low-lying area a few miles north of here, called Chesapeake Beach, a quaint little nameplace full of old cottages and a growing amount of new construction. Nice place, except when Chesapeake Bay overflows and floods homes and businesses for four blocks up from the high water line. That area is a foot or two above sea level. Maybe. Why construction in these places is allowed is beyond my comprehension. I think the national flood insurance program ought to be dropped and replaced by a state-by-state funded program for those states that want it. Let Floridians, Texas, Louisianians, et cetera, pay the price for their folly of never-ending construction along low-lying waterfronts, typically built on "reclaimed" land. Alternately, if the states won't provide flood insurance and mortage companies won't finance homes without flood insurance, well, that eventually will solve the problem. Oh, we're close to the Bay, but...we're about 115' above sea level here. If the Bay floods us, it is the end of the world. You won't flood but a direct hit of a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane would do some serious damage to your famous red barn. Flooding of low-lying seashore areas during a hurricane from Florida to Texas is pretty much inevitable. Cat 4 or 5 hurricane winds up here would be a rarity, but a possibility. We have some large trees that if uprooted could certainly smash through the roof. We've had a few storms with high winds...70-90 mph...but so far our big trees have survived. I've had a few cut down over the years, but we still have a few that make me nervous. The point is, federal flood insurance should NOT be available to property owners in shore areas that keep getting hit. The states should be restricting growth in those areas and funding state flood insurance. Building a home in the Keys, for example, is the height of arrogance and stupidity. Since you no longer own waterfront property, no one should. Eh? You' ll never change. x Your assumption about waterfront property is, of course, wrong. But the homesite is so high above the water level, we'd all be in arks before it flooded. You never owned waterfront property? If only you had a brain... Sore spot? Remember him complaining of jet skis buzzing his property? That's right, they did run up and down the ICW near us. But the real "annoyers" were the several airboats. Our current "waterfront" property isn't plagued with either...just canoes, kayaks, and once in a great while a small electric outboard boat, but only when the water on the river is high. Too many boulders in the river near our spot. He needs to back out of this discussion before he sees his boo-boo. His former house in Jacksonville is about 4 miles from the nearest navigable waterway. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
Hurricane Irma - After Action Report
On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 08:22:48 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 9/13/17 7:58 AM, justan wrote: Governor Rick Scott has been getting high marks for his efforts to prepare Florida for the disaster. Does that make up for the huge criminal enterprise Scott ran prior to being governor? You know, the one that earned a $1.7 billion fine for Medicare fraud? Florida is not prepared. If Scott really were concerned about Florida, he'd be spearheading a statewide effort to stop development in low-lying coastal areas, and begin a process of condemning and tearing down susceptible structures in those areas, outlawing mobile homes, and slowing growth generally. Florida is going to get hit again and again and again by these large summer and fall hurricanes, and everyone is going to pace the price for them. We have a low-lying area a few miles north of here, called Chesapeake Beach, a quaint little nameplace full of old cottages and a growing amount of new construction. Nice place, except when Chesapeake Bay overflows and floods homes and businesses for four blocks up from the high water line. That area is a foot or two above sea level. Maybe. Why construction in these places is allowed is beyond my comprehension. I think the national flood insurance program ought to be dropped and replaced by a state-by-state funded program for those states that want it. Let Floridians, Texas, Louisianians, et cetera, pay the price for their folly of never-ending construction along low-lying waterfronts, typically built on "reclaimed" land. Alternately, if the states won't provide flood insurance and mortage companies won't finance homes without flood insurance, well, that eventually will solve the problem. Oh, we're close to the Bay, but...we're about 115' above sea level here. If the Bay floods us, it is the end of the world. Florida does have strict rules about rebuilding after a flood or really any renovation for any reason that involves more that 50% of the assessed value of the building (not the lot). It all has to be done at the FEMA height. (14' above the datum plane near water) That pretty much eliminates most additions or even serious repairs without raising the house or tearing it down. A guy in our neighborhood just bough a $460k house and immediately tore it down, just because of insurance cost and limits on remodeling. |
Hurricane Irma - After Action Report
On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 08:32:00 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 9/13/2017 8:22 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 9/13/17 7:58 AM, justan wrote: Governor Rick Scott has been getting high marks for his efforts to Â* prepare Florida for the disaster. Does that make up for the huge criminal enterprise Scott ran prior to being governor? You know, the one that earned a $1.7 billion fine for Medicare fraud? Florida is not prepared. If Scott really were concerned about Florida, he'd be spearheading a statewide effort to stop development in low-lying coastal areas, and begin a process of condemning and tearing down susceptible structures in those areas, outlawing mobile homes, and slowing growth generally. Florida is going to get hit again and again and again by these large summer and fall hurricanes, and everyone is going to pace the price for them. We have a low-lying area a few miles north of here, called Chesapeake Beach, a quaint little nameplace full of old cottages and a growing amount of new construction. Nice place, except when Chesapeake Bay overflows and floods homes and businesses for four blocks up from the high water line. That area is a foot or two above sea level. Maybe. Why construction in these places is allowed is beyond my comprehension. I think the national flood insurance program ought to be dropped and replaced by a state-by-state funded program for those states that want it. Let Floridians, Texas, Louisianians, et cetera, pay the price for their folly of never-ending construction along low-lying waterfronts, typically built on "reclaimed" land. Alternately, if the states won't provide flood insurance and mortage companies won't finance homes without flood insurance, well, that eventually will solve the problem. Oh, we're close to the Bay, but...we're about 115' above sea level here. If the Bay floods us, it is the end of the world. You won't flood but a direct hit of a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane would do some serious damage to your famous red barn. The northern building code would not even protect most houses from a strong Cat 1 or a 2. When I was there they built to 80 mph but I assume they may have upped that a little. Even so there are plenty of 30+ year old buildings built to that code. There was absolutely zero uplift protection beyond gravity. You were not even required to put nuts on the J bolts in block headers when you mounted the sill plate for the stick built parts. There is also no tie beam and no steel in the block. They didn't even have steel in the footer. The J bolt is just mortared into one of the block cores. We have 4 #5 rebars in the tie beam and the top 16" is solid concrete, that tie beam is doweled with a #5 every 4 feet and at every opening in a grouted cell and the "hooks", top and bottom get tied to the tie beam steel and the footer steel. |
Hurricane Irma - After Action Report
On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 09:30:47 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: But I don't think first responders should be sent out and risk their lives in the height of a dangerous storm to save those too stupid to save themselves after clear and repeated warnings were given. They don't here. They stay in the firehouse or wherever until the storm is over. |
Hurricane Irma - After Action Report
On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 11:49:41 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: Your assumption about waterfront property is, of course, wrong. But the homesite is so high above the water level, we'd all be in arks before it flooded. Don't get too cocky, My neighborhood flooded in Clinton during Agnes and that is a very high elevation. It didn't get me but there were a lot of people who were not that lucky. There was a 3' deep stream flowing across Buckler Road just because there was a little dip there and the sheet flow from about 10" of rain in a few hours. |
Hurricane Irma - After Action Report
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Hurricane Irma - After Action Report
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Hurricane Irma - After Action Report
On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 08:22:48 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: Florida is not prepared. If Scott really were concerned about Florida, he'd be spearheading a statewide effort to stop development in low-lying coastal areas, and begin a process of condemning and tearing down susceptible structures in those areas, outlawing mobile homes, and slowing growth generally. === That would be political suicide in a state that has millions of people living in coastal areas. Many of us moved here exactly for the opportunity to live on waterfront property. It's a calculated risk that require constant juggling, just like for the people who choose to live in the Caribbean. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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