"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 9/12/2017 10:48 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 14:51:37 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

We're back home today after hiding out on the east coast for the
storm. Things are mostly OK meaning no really serious damage, but
quite a few little things. Still no power but I'm running the house
from the generator on the boat which gives us lights and air
conditioning as long as that holds out.

Pool cage frame is OK but screen panels are totaled. Found a couple
of roof shingles on the ground but not yet sure where they came from -
no obvious leaks yet.

We made it over to the east coast and back in my truck on only one
tank of gas. I had a couple of jerrry jugs in back but didn't need
them. We only saw two filling stations open today while coming across
the state and both had huge lines. Power is mostly off on both coasts
with police directing traffic at busy intersections. Otherwise people
are treating intersections as 4 way stops which seems to be working
out OK for the most part.

===

Follow up: We got power back about 6:00PM along with telephone
service and high speed internet. I was expecting to be without power
for as long as a week based on our experience with Charlie in 2004.


Based on what I've seen reported, the power companies, state, federal
and local governments did a super job in preparation for this hurricane
even before it's final path was known. Trucks and linesmen from almost
every other state plus some from Canada were sent in advance and staged
throughout Florida in order to restore power as quickly as possible
after Irma passed through. After Wilma in 2005 the Jupiter area was
without power for a week but it was tolerable because it was in November
and the need for constant air conditioning was not as critical.

My friend Rick who worked with me at the guitar shop is now working for
a local home heating oil company up here in Massachusetts. It's not a
big company ... family owned ... but yesterday they loaded diesel fuel
into three of their delivery trucks and are on their way to Florida to
deliver fuel for any hospitals or facilities still running on
generators. Good stuff.

BTW, not to get political but Trump, his administration and FEMA are
getting high scores for their response to this storm. I had to laugh a
little watching Rachel Maddow (briefly) the other evening interviewing
the Governor of the US Virgin Islands. It was obvious that Rachel's
questions were a prelude to criticism by her of Trump but it backfired.
He described the storm damage but then gave Trump high praise and thanks
for his responsiveness to phone calls and for the immediate federal help
(mostly Navy) that Trump authorized. You could tell by the expression
on her face that this is not what Rachel wanted to hear. :-)


Governor Rick Scott has been getting high marks for his efforts to
prepare Florida for the disaster. Many states and the federal
government responded to his requests for assistannce and
resources were standing by on site ready to go to work as soon as
the storm passed.

I have 1 loose shingle to fix and some vegitation damage. We did
very well. Only the cable tv went out. Around the neighborhood
several oak trees were up rooted and a few newly planted palms
were on their side.
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On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 07:58:12 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 9/12/2017 10:48 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 14:51:37 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

We're back home today after hiding out on the east coast for the
storm. Things are mostly OK meaning no really serious damage, but
quite a few little things. Still no power but I'm running the house
from the generator on the boat which gives us lights and air
conditioning as long as that holds out.

Pool cage frame is OK but screen panels are totaled. Found a couple
of roof shingles on the ground but not yet sure where they came from -
no obvious leaks yet.

We made it over to the east coast and back in my truck on only one
tank of gas. I had a couple of jerrry jugs in back but didn't need
them. We only saw two filling stations open today while coming across
the state and both had huge lines. Power is mostly off on both coasts
with police directing traffic at busy intersections. Otherwise people
are treating intersections as 4 way stops which seems to be working
out OK for the most part.

===

Follow up: We got power back about 6:00PM along with telephone
service and high speed internet. I was expecting to be without power
for as long as a week based on our experience with Charlie in 2004.


Based on what I've seen reported, the power companies, state, federal
and local governments did a super job in preparation for this hurricane
even before it's final path was known. Trucks and linesmen from almost
every other state plus some from Canada were sent in advance and staged
throughout Florida in order to restore power as quickly as possible
after Irma passed through. After Wilma in 2005 the Jupiter area was
without power for a week but it was tolerable because it was in November
and the need for constant air conditioning was not as critical.

My friend Rick who worked with me at the guitar shop is now working for
a local home heating oil company up here in Massachusetts. It's not a
big company ... family owned ... but yesterday they loaded diesel fuel
into three of their delivery trucks and are on their way to Florida to
deliver fuel for any hospitals or facilities still running on
generators. Good stuff.

BTW, not to get political but Trump, his administration and FEMA are
getting high scores for their response to this storm. I had to laugh a
little watching Rachel Maddow (briefly) the other evening interviewing
the Governor of the US Virgin Islands. It was obvious that Rachel's
questions were a prelude to criticism by her of Trump but it backfired.
He described the storm damage but then gave Trump high praise and thanks
for his responsiveness to phone calls and for the immediate federal help
(mostly Navy) that Trump authorized. You could tell by the expression
on her face that this is not what Rachel wanted to hear. :-)


Governor Rick Scott has been getting high marks for his efforts to
prepare Florida for the disaster. Many states and the federal
government responded to his requests for assistannce and
resources were standing by on site ready to go to work as soon as
the storm passed.

I have 1 loose shingle to fix and some vegitation damage. We did
very well. Only the cable tv went out. Around the neighborhood
several oak trees were up rooted and a few newly planted palms
were on their side.

Good to hear.

On 9/13/17 7:58 AM, justan wrote:


Governor Rick Scott has been getting high marks for his efforts to
prepare Florida for the disaster.


Does that make up for the huge criminal enterprise Scott ran prior to
being governor? You know, the one that earned a $1.7 billion fine for
Medicare fraud?

Florida is not prepared. If Scott really were concerned about Florida,
he'd be spearheading a statewide effort to stop development in low-lying
coastal areas, and begin a process of condemning and tearing down
susceptible structures in those areas, outlawing mobile homes, and
slowing growth generally. Florida is going to get hit again and again
and again by these large summer and fall hurricanes, and everyone is
going to pace the price for them.

We have a low-lying area a few miles north of here, called Chesapeake
Beach, a quaint little nameplace full of old cottages and a growing
amount of new construction. Nice place, except when Chesapeake Bay
overflows and floods homes and businesses for four blocks up from the
high water line. That area is a foot or two above sea level. Maybe. Why
construction in these places is allowed is beyond my comprehension.

I think the national flood insurance program ought to be dropped and
replaced by a state-by-state funded program for those states that want
it. Let Floridians, Texas, Louisianians, et cetera, pay the price for
their folly of never-ending construction along low-lying waterfronts,
typically built on "reclaimed" land. Alternately, if the states won't
provide flood insurance and mortage companies won't finance homes
without flood insurance, well, that eventually will solve the problem.

Oh, we're close to the Bay, but...we're about 115' above sea level here.
If the Bay floods us, it is the end of the world.

On 9/13/2017 8:22 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/13/17 7:58 AM, justan wrote:


Governor Rick Scott has been getting high marks for his efforts to
* prepare Florida for the disaster.


Does that make up for the huge criminal enterprise Scott ran prior to
being governor? You know, the one that earned a $1.7 billion fine for
Medicare fraud?

Florida is not prepared. If Scott really were concerned about Florida,
he'd be spearheading a statewide effort to stop development in low-lying
coastal areas, and begin a process of condemning and tearing down
susceptible structures in those areas, outlawing mobile homes, and
slowing growth generally. Florida is going to get hit again and again
and again by these large summer and fall hurricanes, and everyone is
going to pace the price for them.

We have a low-lying area a few miles north of here, called Chesapeake
Beach, a quaint little nameplace full of old cottages and a growing
amount of new construction. Nice place, except when Chesapeake Bay
overflows and floods homes and businesses for four blocks up from the
high water line. That area is a foot or two above sea level. Maybe. Why
construction in these places is allowed is beyond my comprehension.

I think the national flood insurance program ought to be dropped and
replaced by a state-by-state funded program for those states that want
it. Let Floridians, Texas, Louisianians, et cetera, pay the price for
their folly of never-ending construction along low-lying waterfronts,
typically built on "reclaimed" land. Alternately, if the states won't
provide flood insurance and mortage companies won't finance homes
without flood insurance, well, that eventually will solve the problem.

Oh, we're close to the Bay, but...we're about 115' above sea level here.
If the Bay floods us, it is the end of the world.


You won't flood but a direct hit of a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane would do some
serious damage to your famous red barn.

On 9/13/17 8:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/13/2017 8:22 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/13/17 7:58 AM, justan wrote:


Governor Rick Scott has been getting high marks for his efforts to
* prepare Florida for the disaster.


Does that make up for the huge criminal enterprise Scott ran prior to
being governor? You know, the one that earned a $1.7 billion fine for
Medicare fraud?

Florida is not prepared. If Scott really were concerned about Florida,
he'd be spearheading a statewide effort to stop development in
low-lying coastal areas, and begin a process of condemning and tearing
down susceptible structures in those areas, outlawing mobile homes,
and slowing growth generally. Florida is going to get hit again and
again and again by these large summer and fall hurricanes, and
everyone is going to pace the price for them.

We have a low-lying area a few miles north of here, called Chesapeake
Beach, a quaint little nameplace full of old cottages and a growing
amount of new construction. Nice place, except when Chesapeake Bay
overflows and floods homes and businesses for four blocks up from the
high water line. That area is a foot or two above sea level. Maybe.
Why construction in these places is allowed is beyond my comprehension.

I think the national flood insurance program ought to be dropped and
replaced by a state-by-state funded program for those states that want
it. Let Floridians, Texas, Louisianians, et cetera, pay the price for
their folly of never-ending construction along low-lying waterfronts,
typically built on "reclaimed" land. Alternately, if the states won't
provide flood insurance and mortage companies won't finance homes
without flood insurance, well, that eventually will solve the problem.

Oh, we're close to the Bay, but...we're about 115' above sea level
here. If the Bay floods us, it is the end of the world.


You won't flood but a direct hit of a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane would do some
serious damage to your famous red barn.



Flooding of low-lying seashore areas during a hurricane from Florida to
Texas is pretty much inevitable. Cat 4 or 5 hurricane winds up here
would be a rarity, but a possibility. We have some large trees that if
uprooted could certainly smash through the roof. We've had a few storms
with high winds...70-90 mph...but so far our big trees have survived.
I've had a few cut down over the years, but we still have a few that
make me nervous.

The point is, federal flood insurance should NOT be available to
property owners in shore areas that keep getting hit. The states should
be restricting growth in those areas and funding state flood insurance.
Building a home in the Keys, for example, is the height of arrogance and
stupidity.

On 9/13/2017 8:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/13/17 8:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/13/2017 8:22 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/13/17 7:58 AM, justan wrote:


Governor Rick Scott has been getting high marks for his efforts to
* prepare Florida for the disaster.


Does that make up for the huge criminal enterprise Scott ran prior to
being governor? You know, the one that earned a $1.7 billion fine for
Medicare fraud?

Florida is not prepared. If Scott really were concerned about
Florida, he'd be spearheading a statewide effort to stop development
in low-lying coastal areas, and begin a process of condemning and
tearing down susceptible structures in those areas, outlawing mobile
homes, and slowing growth generally. Florida is going to get hit
again and again and again by these large summer and fall hurricanes,
and everyone is going to pace the price for them.

We have a low-lying area a few miles north of here, called Chesapeake
Beach, a quaint little nameplace full of old cottages and a growing
amount of new construction. Nice place, except when Chesapeake Bay
overflows and floods homes and businesses for four blocks up from the
high water line. That area is a foot or two above sea level. Maybe.
Why construction in these places is allowed is beyond my comprehension.

I think the national flood insurance program ought to be dropped and
replaced by a state-by-state funded program for those states that
want it. Let Floridians, Texas, Louisianians, et cetera, pay the
price for their folly of never-ending construction along low-lying
waterfronts, typically built on "reclaimed" land. Alternately, if the
states won't provide flood insurance and mortage companies won't
finance homes without flood insurance, well, that eventually will
solve the problem.

Oh, we're close to the Bay, but...we're about 115' above sea level
here. If the Bay floods us, it is the end of the world.


You won't flood but a direct hit of a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane would do
some serious damage to your famous red barn.



Flooding of low-lying seashore areas during a hurricane from Florida to
Texas is pretty much inevitable. Cat 4 or 5 hurricane winds up here
would be a rarity, but a possibility. We have some large trees that if
uprooted could certainly smash through the roof. We've had a few storms
with high winds...70-90 mph...but so far our big trees have survived.
I've had a few cut down over the years, but we still have a few that
make me nervous.

The point is, federal flood insurance should NOT be available to
property owners in shore areas that keep getting hit. The states should
be restricting growth in those areas and funding state flood insurance.
Building a home in the Keys, for example, is the height of arrogance and
stupidity.

Well, this is a rare occasion where I agree with you. Not sure I'd go
as far as prohibiting development of privately held land in those areas
but it should be solely at the owner's risk with no state or federal aid
available to rebuild following a hurricane. Next comes the question of
the use of state or federal rescue resources should a resident find
him/herself trapped after being warned to evacuate. Is the
progressive-liberal mentality ready to just let them die?

On 9/13/17 9:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/13/2017 8:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/13/17 8:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/13/2017 8:22 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/13/17 7:58 AM, justan wrote:


Governor Rick Scott has been getting high marks for his efforts to
* prepare Florida for the disaster.


Does that make up for the huge criminal enterprise Scott ran prior
to being governor? You know, the one that earned a $1.7 billion fine
for Medicare fraud?

Florida is not prepared. If Scott really were concerned about
Florida, he'd be spearheading a statewide effort to stop development
in low-lying coastal areas, and begin a process of condemning and
tearing down susceptible structures in those areas, outlawing mobile
homes, and slowing growth generally. Florida is going to get hit
again and again and again by these large summer and fall hurricanes,
and everyone is going to pace the price for them.

We have a low-lying area a few miles north of here, called
Chesapeake Beach, a quaint little nameplace full of old cottages and
a growing amount of new construction. Nice place, except when
Chesapeake Bay overflows and floods homes and businesses for four
blocks up from the high water line. That area is a foot or two above
sea level. Maybe. Why construction in these places is allowed is
beyond my comprehension.

I think the national flood insurance program ought to be dropped and
replaced by a state-by-state funded program for those states that
want it. Let Floridians, Texas, Louisianians, et cetera, pay the
price for their folly of never-ending construction along low-lying
waterfronts, typically built on "reclaimed" land. Alternately, if
the states won't provide flood insurance and mortage companies won't
finance homes without flood insurance, well, that eventually will
solve the problem.

Oh, we're close to the Bay, but...we're about 115' above sea level
here. If the Bay floods us, it is the end of the world.


You won't flood but a direct hit of a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane would do
some serious damage to your famous red barn.



Flooding of low-lying seashore areas during a hurricane from Florida
to Texas is pretty much inevitable. Cat 4 or 5 hurricane winds up here
would be a rarity, but a possibility. We have some large trees that if
uprooted could certainly smash through the roof. We've had a few
storms with high winds...70-90 mph...but so far our big trees have
survived. I've had a few cut down over the years, but we still have a
few that make me nervous.

The point is, federal flood insurance should NOT be available to
property owners in shore areas that keep getting hit. The states
should be restricting growth in those areas and funding state flood
insurance. Building a home in the Keys, for example, is the height of
arrogance and stupidity.

Well, this is a rare occasion where I agree with you.* Not sure I'd go
as far as prohibiting development of privately held land in those areas
but it should be solely at the owner's risk with no state or federal aid
available to rebuild following a hurricane.* Next comes the question of
the use of state or federal rescue resources should a resident find
him/herself trapped after being warned to evacuate.* Is the
progressive-liberal mentality ready to just let them die?


Death panels seem to be a child of the GOP majority in Congress.

No, I think rescues should be attempted when possible. But I don't think
first responders should be sent out and risk their lives in the height
of a dangerous storm to save those too stupid to save themselves after
clear and repeated warnings were given.

Your constant slams on "progressive-liberal" are as funny as your
support of Trump, and are just as foolish. Just about every bit of
social progress this country has made is the result of actions by
progressive liberals who were fought every step of the way by you
conservative regressives.

On 9/13/2017 9:30 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/13/17 9:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/13/2017 8:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/13/17 8:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/13/2017 8:22 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/13/17 7:58 AM, justan wrote:


Governor Rick Scott has been getting high marks for his efforts to
* prepare Florida for the disaster.


Does that make up for the huge criminal enterprise Scott ran prior
to being governor? You know, the one that earned a $1.7 billion
fine for Medicare fraud?

Florida is not prepared. If Scott really were concerned about
Florida, he'd be spearheading a statewide effort to stop
development in low-lying coastal areas, and begin a process of
condemning and tearing down susceptible structures in those areas,
outlawing mobile homes, and slowing growth generally. Florida is
going to get hit again and again and again by these large summer
and fall hurricanes, and everyone is going to pace the price for them.

We have a low-lying area a few miles north of here, called
Chesapeake Beach, a quaint little nameplace full of old cottages
and a growing amount of new construction. Nice place, except when
Chesapeake Bay overflows and floods homes and businesses for four
blocks up from the high water line. That area is a foot or two
above sea level. Maybe. Why construction in these places is allowed
is beyond my comprehension.

I think the national flood insurance program ought to be dropped
and replaced by a state-by-state funded program for those states
that want it. Let Floridians, Texas, Louisianians, et cetera, pay
the price for their folly of never-ending construction along
low-lying waterfronts, typically built on "reclaimed" land.
Alternately, if the states won't provide flood insurance and
mortage companies won't finance homes without flood insurance,
well, that eventually will solve the problem.

Oh, we're close to the Bay, but...we're about 115' above sea level
here. If the Bay floods us, it is the end of the world.


You won't flood but a direct hit of a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane would do
some serious damage to your famous red barn.



Flooding of low-lying seashore areas during a hurricane from Florida
to Texas is pretty much inevitable. Cat 4 or 5 hurricane winds up
here would be a rarity, but a possibility. We have some large trees
that if uprooted could certainly smash through the roof. We've had a
few storms with high winds...70-90 mph...but so far our big trees
have survived. I've had a few cut down over the years, but we still
have a few that make me nervous.

The point is, federal flood insurance should NOT be available to
property owners in shore areas that keep getting hit. The states
should be restricting growth in those areas and funding state flood
insurance. Building a home in the Keys, for example, is the height of
arrogance and stupidity.

Well, this is a rare occasion where I agree with you.* Not sure I'd go
as far as prohibiting development of privately held land in those
areas but it should be solely at the owner's risk with no state or
federal aid available to rebuild following a hurricane.* Next comes
the question of the use of state or federal rescue resources should a
resident find him/herself trapped after being warned to evacuate.* Is
the progressive-liberal mentality ready to just let them die?


Death panels seem to be a child of the GOP majority in Congress.

No, I think rescues should be attempted when possible. But I don't think
first responders should be sent out and risk their lives in the height
of a dangerous storm to save those too stupid to save themselves after
clear and repeated warnings were given.

Your constant slams on "progressive-liberal" are as funny as your
support of Trump, and are just as foolish. Just about every bit of
social progress this country has made is the result of actions by
progressive liberals who were fought every step of the way by you
conservative regressives.


Read up on where and how the "progressive" movement originated.
Hasn't changed much since it's inception.

On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 09:30:47 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

But I don't think
first responders should be sent out and risk their lives in the height
of a dangerous storm to save those too stupid to save themselves after
clear and repeated warnings were given.

They don't here. They stay in the firehouse or wherever until the
storm is over.

"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 9/13/2017 8:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/13/17 8:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/13/2017 8:22 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/13/17 7:58 AM, justan wrote:


Governor Rick Scott has been getting high marks for his efforts to
prepare Florida for the disaster.


Does that make up for the huge criminal enterprise Scott ran prior to
being governor? You know, the one that earned a $1.7 billion fine for
Medicare fraud?

Florida is not prepared. If Scott really were concerned about
Florida, he'd be spearheading a statewide effort to stop development
in low-lying coastal areas, and begin a process of condemning and
tearing down susceptible structures in those areas, outlawing mobile
homes, and slowing growth generally. Florida is going to get hit
again and again and again by these large summer and fall hurricanes,
and everyone is going to pace the price for them.

We have a low-lying area a few miles north of here, called Chesapeake
Beach, a quaint little nameplace full of old cottages and a growing
amount of new construction. Nice place, except when Chesapeake Bay
overflows and floods homes and businesses for four blocks up from the
high water line. That area is a foot or two above sea level. Maybe.
Why construction in these places is allowed is beyond my comprehension.

I think the national flood insurance program ought to be dropped and
replaced by a state-by-state funded program for those states that
want it. Let Floridians, Texas, Louisianians, et cetera, pay the
price for their folly of never-ending construction along low-lying
waterfronts, typically built on "reclaimed" land. Alternately, if the
states won't provide flood insurance and mortage companies won't
finance homes without flood insurance, well, that eventually will
solve the problem.

Oh, we're close to the Bay, but...we're about 115' above sea level
here. If the Bay floods us, it is the end of the world.


You won't flood but a direct hit of a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane would do
some serious damage to your famous red barn.



Flooding of low-lying seashore areas during a hurricane from Florida to
Texas is pretty much inevitable. Cat 4 or 5 hurricane winds up here
would be a rarity, but a possibility. We have some large trees that if
uprooted could certainly smash through the roof. We've had a few storms
with high winds...70-90 mph...but so far our big trees have survived.
I've had a few cut down over the years, but we still have a few that
make me nervous.

The point is, federal flood insurance should NOT be available to
property owners in shore areas that keep getting hit. The states should
be restricting growth in those areas and funding state flood insurance.
Building a home in the Keys, for example, is the height of arrogance and
stupidity.

Well, this is a rare occasion where I agree with you. Not sure I'd go
as far as prohibiting development of privately held land in those areas
but it should be solely at the owner's risk with no state or federal aid
available to rebuild following a hurricane. Next comes the question of
the use of state or federal rescue resources should a resident find
him/herself trapped after being warned to evacuate. Is the
progressive-liberal mentality ready to just let them die?



Spoke to a fellow who lives on Sattelite Beach with his son. He
said they don't carry flood insurance because it's too expensive.
Aparently he isn't poor enough to get it for free, or well
subsidized.
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