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A Look At Officer Training In The US Navy and Merchant Marine
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 09:01:14 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 8/24/17 5:51 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 8/24/2017 4:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 8/24/17 2:43 PM, True North wrote: On Wednesday, 23 August 2017 21:00:56 UTC-3, Keyser SozeÂ* wrote: On 8/23/17 6:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 8/23/2017 5:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 8/23/17 12:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 8/23/2017 11:02 AM, wrote: This article offers some interesting insights into some of the issues behind the recent naval collisions: http://gcaptain.com/separate-equal-look-officer-training-us-navy-merchant-marine/ They make the point that many, if not most, US naval officers regard sea duty as something that must be endured on the way to higher rank, as opposed to a career goal in and of itself. My wife and I once met a recently promoted US Coast Guard admiral who expressed exactly those sentiments in a conversation with us. We were surprised by both the attitude and the candor but that was probably a reflection of our inexperience with such things. I don't know of anyone who was in the Navy, officer or enlisted, who relished sea duty. Then why sign up for it? One might think that if one is signing up for the navy, one relishes the idea of serving on a ship at sea. Reason number one:Â* It was Navy or the Army. Actually, the Navy is much, much more than just ships at sea. There's a vast system for communications, aircraft squadrons, INTEL facilities, administration, logistics and supply facilities that support the mission of the Navy and the fleet.Â*Â* I don't know the breakdown butÂ* I believe that far more Navy personnel are assigned to shore duty stations at any one time than assigned to ships. Typically, the rotation is three years of sea duty and then three years of shore duty.Â* But it's more complicated than that because some overseas shore duty may be counted as sea duty for rotational purposes. I was actually on ships for three years but had two tours overseas that also counted as sea duty.Â* My only duty that did not count as sea duty was time in schools and my last duty station in Annapolis. Yeah, I know the navy is more than just ships at sea, but...why would you join the navy unless you were into ships at sea? Funny you should ask that. I had a niece and a nephew's significant other who both joined the navy.Â* Both were trying to find ways to avoid sea duty after a couple long deployments and especially after kids arrived.Â* One had the navy pay her way through nursing school right here in Halifax. One of life's absurdities...join a force that sends you to sea and then try to get out of it. Love it. I admit, it is amusing to read your comments on a subject that you have absolutely no knowledge of.Â* Tooling around on Long Island Sound or on the Chesapeake Bay on "YO HO" isn't exactly like being at sea on a ship that runs out of fresh water on the second day of a six month cruise and breakfast consists of powdered eggs, coffee or Bug Juice. You've never experienced "Channel Fever" either. Interesting how much praise you boys throw on the naveee for its technical training programs...perhaps the naveee should concentrate on training how to run a ship so it doesn't crash into another ship or run aground. Makes the claims of near-invulnerbility of these ships to enemy attacks laughable. I agree that if they are being rammed by big lumbering merchant ships, there does seem to be a hole in the situational awareness on the bridge of these navy ships. I think it is arrogance coupled with an over reliance on electronics. Both of these things seem to have involved a course change by the merchant ships that was missed by the people on the bridge of the navy ship. I think that may be why some are saying this could have been a cyber attack. Even if they did hack the on board computers, doesn't anyone look out the window anymore? Maybe not. This is the video game generation. A year of small boat handling might help. -- Posted with my iPhone 7+. |
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A Look At Officer Training In The US Navy and Merchant Marine
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 10:59:27 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote: wrote: On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 09:01:14 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 8/24/17 5:51 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 8/24/2017 4:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 8/24/17 2:43 PM, True North wrote: On Wednesday, 23 August 2017 21:00:56 UTC-3, Keyser Soze* wrote: On 8/23/17 6:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 8/23/2017 5:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 8/23/17 12:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 8/23/2017 11:02 AM, wrote: This article offers some interesting insights into some of the issues behind the recent naval collisions: http://gcaptain.com/separate-equal-look-officer-training-us-navy-merchant-marine/ They make the point that many, if not most, US naval officers regard sea duty as something that must be endured on the way to higher rank, as opposed to a career goal in and of itself. My wife and I once met a recently promoted US Coast Guard admiral who expressed exactly those sentiments in a conversation with us. We were surprised by both the attitude and the candor but that was probably a reflection of our inexperience with such things. I don't know of anyone who was in the Navy, officer or enlisted, who relished sea duty. Then why sign up for it? One might think that if one is signing up for the navy, one relishes the idea of serving on a ship at sea. Reason number one:* It was Navy or the Army. Actually, the Navy is much, much more than just ships at sea. There's a vast system for communications, aircraft squadrons, INTEL facilities, administration, logistics and supply facilities that support the mission of the Navy and the fleet.** I don't know the breakdown but* I believe that far more Navy personnel are assigned to shore duty stations at any one time than assigned to ships. Typically, the rotation is three years of sea duty and then three years of shore duty.* But it's more complicated than that because some overseas shore duty may be counted as sea duty for rotational purposes. I was actually on ships for three years but had two tours overseas that also counted as sea duty.* My only duty that did not count as sea duty was time in schools and my last duty station in Annapolis. Yeah, I know the navy is more than just ships at sea, but...why would you join the navy unless you were into ships at sea? Funny you should ask that. I had a niece and a nephew's significant other who both joined the navy.* Both were trying to find ways to avoid sea duty after a couple long deployments and especially after kids arrived.* One had the navy pay her way through nursing school right here in Halifax. One of life's absurdities...join a force that sends you to sea and then try to get out of it. Love it. I admit, it is amusing to read your comments on a subject that you have absolutely no knowledge of.* Tooling around on Long Island Sound or on the Chesapeake Bay on "YO HO" isn't exactly like being at sea on a ship that runs out of fresh water on the second day of a six month cruise and breakfast consists of powdered eggs, coffee or Bug Juice. You've never experienced "Channel Fever" either. Interesting how much praise you boys throw on the naveee for its technical training programs...perhaps the naveee should concentrate on training how to run a ship so it doesn't crash into another ship or run aground. Makes the claims of near-invulnerbility of these ships to enemy attacks laughable. I agree that if they are being rammed by big lumbering merchant ships, there does seem to be a hole in the situational awareness on the bridge of these navy ships. I think it is arrogance coupled with an over reliance on electronics. Both of these things seem to have involved a course change by the merchant ships that was missed by the people on the bridge of the navy ship. I think that may be why some are saying this could have been a cyber attack. Even if they did hack the on board computers, doesn't anyone look out the window anymore? Maybe not. This is the video game generation. A year of small boat handling might help. === I agree with that, especially in a crowded harbor like Boston, New York, Baltimore or Norfolk. It should also be a recognized naval career specialty, on the order of being a harbor pilot which requires similar skill and training. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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