On 8/24/2017 4:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/24/17 2:43 PM, True North wrote:
On Wednesday, 23 August 2017 21:00:56 UTC-3, Keyser SozeÂ* wrote:
On 8/23/17 6:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 5:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/23/17 12:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 11:02 AM, wrote:
This article offers some interesting insights into some of the
issues
behind the recent naval collisions:

http://gcaptain.com/separate-equal-look-officer-training-us-navy-merchant-marine/



They make the point that many, if not most, US naval officers regard
sea duty as something that must be endured on the way to higher
rank,
as opposed to a career goal in and of itself.

My wife and I once met a recently promoted US Coast Guard admiral
who
expressed exactly those sentiments in a conversation with us.Â* We
were
surprised by both the attitude and the candor but that was
probably a
reflection of our inexperience with such things.



I don't know of anyone who was in the Navy, officer or enlisted, who
relished sea duty.


Then why sign up for it? One might think that if one is signing up for
the navy, one relishes the idea of serving on a ship at sea.



Reason number one:Â* It was Navy or the Army.

Actually, the Navy is much, much more than just ships at sea.
There's a
vast system for communications, aircraft squadrons, INTEL facilities,
administration, logistics and supply facilities that support the
mission
of the Navy and the fleet.Â*Â* I don't know the breakdown butÂ* I believe
that far more Navy personnel are assigned to shore duty stations at any
one time than assigned to ships.

Typically, the rotation is three years of sea duty and then three years
of shore duty.Â* But it's more complicated than that because some
overseas shore duty may be counted as sea duty for rotational purposes.
I was actually on ships for three years but had two tours overseas that
also counted as sea duty.Â* My only duty that did not count as sea duty
was time in schools and my last duty station in Annapolis.





Yeah, I know the navy is more than just ships at sea, but...why would
you join the navy unless you were into ships at sea?

Funny you should ask that. I had a niece and a nephew's significant
other who both joined the navy.Â* Both were trying to find ways to
avoid sea duty after a couple long deployments and especially after
kids arrived.Â* One had the navy pay her way through nursing school
right here in Halifax.


One of life's absurdities...join a force that sends you to sea and then
try to get out of it. Love it.


I admit, it is amusing to read your comments on a subject that you have
absolutely no knowledge of. Tooling around on Long Island Sound or on
the Chesapeake Bay on "YO HO" isn't exactly like being at sea on a ship
that runs out of fresh water on the second day of a six month cruise and
breakfast consists of powdered eggs, coffee or Bug Juice.

You've never experienced "Channel Fever" either.

On 8/24/17 5:51 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2017 4:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/24/17 2:43 PM, True North wrote:
On Wednesday, 23 August 2017 21:00:56 UTC-3, Keyser SozeÂ* wrote:
On 8/23/17 6:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 5:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/23/17 12:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 11:02 AM, wrote:
This article offers some interesting insights into some of the
issues
behind the recent naval collisions:

http://gcaptain.com/separate-equal-look-officer-training-us-navy-merchant-marine/



They make the point that many, if not most, US naval officers
regard
sea duty as something that must be endured on the way to higher
rank,
as opposed to a career goal in and of itself.

My wife and I once met a recently promoted US Coast Guard
admiral who
expressed exactly those sentiments in a conversation with us.
We were
surprised by both the attitude and the candor but that was
probably a
reflection of our inexperience with such things.



I don't know of anyone who was in the Navy, officer or enlisted, who
relished sea duty.


Then why sign up for it? One might think that if one is signing up
for
the navy, one relishes the idea of serving on a ship at sea.



Reason number one:Â* It was Navy or the Army.

Actually, the Navy is much, much more than just ships at sea.
There's a
vast system for communications, aircraft squadrons, INTEL facilities,
administration, logistics and supply facilities that support the
mission
of the Navy and the fleet.Â*Â* I don't know the breakdown butÂ* I believe
that far more Navy personnel are assigned to shore duty stations at
any
one time than assigned to ships.

Typically, the rotation is three years of sea duty and then three
years
of shore duty.Â* But it's more complicated than that because some
overseas shore duty may be counted as sea duty for rotational
purposes.
I was actually on ships for three years but had two tours overseas
that
also counted as sea duty.Â* My only duty that did not count as sea duty
was time in schools and my last duty station in Annapolis.





Yeah, I know the navy is more than just ships at sea, but...why would
you join the navy unless you were into ships at sea?

Funny you should ask that. I had a niece and a nephew's significant
other who both joined the navy.Â* Both were trying to find ways to
avoid sea duty after a couple long deployments and especially after
kids arrived.Â* One had the navy pay her way through nursing school
right here in Halifax.


One of life's absurdities...join a force that sends you to sea and
then try to get out of it. Love it.


I admit, it is amusing to read your comments on a subject that you have
absolutely no knowledge of.Â* Tooling around on Long Island Sound or on
the Chesapeake Bay on "YO HO" isn't exactly like being at sea on a ship
that runs out of fresh water on the second day of a six month cruise and
breakfast consists of powdered eggs, coffee or Bug Juice.

You've never experienced "Channel Fever" either.


Yeah, like it is really complex and secretive, right? I understand that
if you sign up, the military will assign you where it has needs or where
you might have abilities, but to join up so you can serve in an office
building or on a dock? Meh.

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,
says...


I admit, it is amusing to read your comments on a subject that you have
absolutely no knowledge of. Tooling around on Long Island Sound or on
the Chesapeake Bay on "YO HO" isn't exactly like being at sea on a ship
that runs out of fresh water on the second day of a six month cruise and
breakfast consists of powdered eggs, coffee or Bug Juice.

You've never experienced "Channel Fever" either.

What do they use to make bug juice?

On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:50:57 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

What do they use to make bug juice?

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Bug Juice is any powdered drink like Kool-Aid.

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On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 22:07:07 -0400,
wrote:

On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:50:57 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

What do they use to make bug juice?

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Bug Juice is any powdered drink like Kool-Aid.


The CG fed us better ;-)

On 8/24/2017 11:12 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 22:07:07 -0400,
wrote:

On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:50:57 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

What do they use to make bug juice?

===

Bug Juice is any powdered drink like Kool-Aid.


The CG fed us better ;-)



Navy shore commands and the larger ships usually had good food. The
smaller ships like the destroyer escorts I was on didn't have the
storage capacity for a lot of fresh food for longer cruises. We ate
well for the first few days but then it got pretty bad. Most of us
stocked up our lockers with canned food and other treats that didn't
need refrigeration.

The evaporators could never keep up with the demand for fresh water so
we were always on water hour rationing while underway. Taking a real
shower became a once in a great while deal.

On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 07:25:12 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

The evaporators could never keep up with the demand for fresh water so
we were always on water hour rationing while underway. Taking a real
shower became a once in a great while deal.

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I'm surprised they didn't have reverse osmosis systems, wonder if that
has changed?

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On 8/25/2017 8:00 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 07:25:12 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

The evaporators could never keep up with the demand for fresh water so
we were always on water hour rationing while underway. Taking a real
shower became a once in a great while deal.

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I'm surprised they didn't have reverse osmosis systems, wonder if that
has changed?


Don't know what they use now. Both of my sons spent time on larger,
more modern ships and according to them they never had lack of water or
rationing.

My only experience with reverse osmosis was with two smaller systems we
had at one of the houses in Florida. One was in the kitchen that
produced drinking water. Water was blah. The other was a somewhat
larger system near the hanger. It had a 5 gallon storage tank that I
used as a final rinse when washing the cars. The problem with both of
them was that it took forever to replenish the water when the tanks were
empty. Very slow process.

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On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 07:25:12 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

The evaporators could never keep up with the demand for fresh water so
we were always on water hour rationing while underway. Taking a real
shower became a once in a great while deal.

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I'm surprised they didn't have reverse osmosis systems, wonder if that
has changed?

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R O can't handle the needed volume.
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On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 08:00:52 -0400,
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 07:25:12 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

The evaporators could never keep up with the demand for fresh water so
we were always on water hour rationing while underway. Taking a real
shower became a once in a great while deal.

===

I'm surprised they didn't have reverse osmosis systems, wonder if that
has changed?

I doubt anyone had even heard of RO in the 60s. The ships we were on
were from WWII and I am sure they did not have RO then.