On 8/24/17 8:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
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On 8/23/2017 11:02 AM,
wrote:
This article offers some interesting insights into some
of the
issues
behind the recent naval collisions:

http://gcaptain.com/separate-equal-look-officer-training-us-navy-merchant-marine/



They make the point that many, if not most, US naval
officers regard
sea duty as something that must be endured on the way to
higher
rank,
as opposed to a career goal in and of itself.

My wife and I once met a recently promoted US Coast
Guard admiral
who
expressed exactly those sentiments in a conversation
with us.Â* We
were
surprised by both the attitude and the candor but that was
probably a
reflection of our inexperience with such things.



I don't know of anyone who was in the Navy, officer or
enlisted,
who relished sea duty.


Then why sign up for it? One might think that if one is
signing up
for the navy, one relishes the idea of serving on a ship
at sea.



Reason number one:Â* It was Navy or the Army.

Actually, the Navy is much, much more than just ships at sea.
There's a vast system for communications, aircraft
squadrons, INTEL
facilities, administration, logistics and supply facilities
that
support the mission of the Navy and the fleet.Â*Â* I don't
know the
breakdown butÂ* I believe that far more Navy personnel are
assigned
to shore duty stations at any one time than assigned to ships.

Typically, the rotation is three years of sea duty and then
three
years of shore duty.Â* But it's more complicated than that
because
some overseas shore duty may be counted as sea duty for
rotational
purposes. I was actually on ships for three years but had
two tours
overseas that also counted as sea duty.Â* My only duty that
did not
count as sea duty was time in schools and my last duty
station in
Annapolis.





Yeah, I know the navy is more than just ships at sea,
but...why would
you join the navy unless you were into ships at sea?


I felt I had an obligation to serve my country.Â* You?

No. I had a passing interest in going to the Coast Guard
Academy, but
that passed. Had I been ordered to report for a pre-induction
physical,
I might have signed up, but I never heard from my local draft
board,
other than getting the signed USPS receipts from the change of
address
info I sent.

So "no" means you felt no obligation to serve your country.Â* At
least
that's honest.





Going to SE Asia to kill SE Asians served the
military-industrial complex.
I don’t believeÂ* it served the country.


Over nine million people served on active military duty during
the Vietnam War.

Of that nine million, one to one and a half million were
stationed in a war zone and actually saw combat.


Yeah, I wasn't an enabler, either. You're making more of this than
I did, as usual. I did what the law required...I registered and I
kept my draft board aware of my address. If I had been drafted, I
would have shown up. I wasn't, so I didn't. In retrospect, I am
happy I didn't help the military-industrial complex kill SE
Asians, produce billets and promotions, and put profits into the
coffers of war-mongering corporations,Â* but I didn't think much
about that at the time.



Going back to the original point ... your answer is still, No, you
felt no obligation to serve your countryÂ* then and obviously have
never felt otherwise since.

That's your right.Â* Others feel differently.

The rest of your BS are just excuses, typical of those who feel a
need to find some.



Oh, please. If it makes you feel happier to rationalize the
assistance you gave to the military-industrial complex that was
involved in killing hundreds of thousands of SE Asians, hey, go for
it. Nothing this country did in the war against Vietnam served
our country.


So, maybe you might have considered serving in the military but only
if it was in total peacetime?Â* Figures.


Have you been sleeping with Fretwell? You went to college...you have
no business trying to use that sort of illogical logic.


I went to college to get the credentials I thought I would need for a
career as an engineer, not to adopt a political philosophy.

As it turned out it was mostly a waste of time and money in terms of
learning technical skills. In hindsight I now realize that Navy
electronic schools of the era in which I attended them provided a much
better education in that regard.Â* The civilian schools taught what an
electronic component was used for.Â* The Navy schools taught how they
worked.

Most colleges today are nothing more than diploma mills.



Funny stuff...you have been sleeping with Fretwell.

On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 09:20:12 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


Most colleges today are nothing more than diploma mills.



Funny stuff...you have been sleeping with Fretwell.

Do we really need to talk about the number of people working at jobs a
high school dropout can do, carrying a 5 figure college debt?