On 8/24/17 7:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 11:14 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 8:57 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/23/17 8:42 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 8:00 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/23/17 6:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 5:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/23/17 12:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 11:02 AM, wrote:
This article offers some interesting insights into some of the
issues
behind the recent naval collisions:

http://gcaptain.com/separate-equal-look-officer-training-us-navy-merchant-marine/



They make the point that many, if not most, US naval officers
regard
sea duty as something that must be endured on the way to higher
rank,
as opposed to a career goal in and of itself.

My wife and I once met a recently promoted US Coast Guard admiral
who
expressed exactly those sentiments in a conversation with us.Â* We
were
surprised by both the attitude and the candor but that was
probably a
reflection of our inexperience with such things.



I don't know of anyone who was in the Navy, officer or enlisted,
who relished sea duty.


Then why sign up for it? One might think that if one is signing up
for the navy, one relishes the idea of serving on a ship at sea.



Reason number one:Â* It was Navy or the Army.

Actually, the Navy is much, much more than just ships at sea.
There's a vast system for communications, aircraft squadrons, INTEL
facilities, administration, logistics and supply facilities that
support the mission of the Navy and the fleet.Â*Â* I don't know the
breakdown butÂ* I believe that far more Navy personnel are assigned
to shore duty stations at any one time than assigned to ships.

Typically, the rotation is three years of sea duty and then three
years of shore duty.Â* But it's more complicated than that because
some overseas shore duty may be counted as sea duty for rotational
purposes. I was actually on ships for three years but had two tours
overseas that also counted as sea duty.Â* My only duty that did not
count as sea duty was time in schools and my last duty station in
Annapolis.





Yeah, I know the navy is more than just ships at sea, but...why would
you join the navy unless you were into ships at sea?


I felt I had an obligation to serve my country.Â* You?

No. I had a passing interest in going to the Coast Guard Academy, but
that passed. Had I been ordered to report for a pre-induction physical,
I might have signed up, but I never heard from my local draft board,
other than getting the signed USPS receipts from the change of address
info I sent.

So "no" means you felt no obligation to serve your country.Â* At least
that's honest.





Going to SE Asia to kill SE Asians served the military-industrial
complex.
I don’t believeÂ* it served the country.


Over nine million people served on active military duty during the
Vietnam War.

Of that nine million, one to one and a half million were stationed in a
war zone and actually saw combat.


Yeah, I wasn't an enabler, either. You're making more of this than I
did, as usual. I did what the law required...I registered and I kept my
draft board aware of my address. If I had been drafted, I would have
shown up. I wasn't, so I didn't. In retrospect, I am happy I didn't help
the military-industrial complex kill SE Asians, produce billets and
promotions, and put profits into the coffers of war-mongering
corporations, but I didn't think much about that at the time.

On 8/24/2017 7:07 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/24/17 7:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 11:14 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 8:57 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/23/17 8:42 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 8:00 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/23/17 6:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 5:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/23/17 12:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 11:02 AM, wrote:
This article offers some interesting insights into some of the
issues
behind the recent naval collisions:

http://gcaptain.com/separate-equal-look-officer-training-us-navy-merchant-marine/



They make the point that many, if not most, US naval officers
regard
sea duty as something that must be endured on the way to higher
rank,
as opposed to a career goal in and of itself.

My wife and I once met a recently promoted US Coast Guard
admiral
who
expressed exactly those sentiments in a conversation with
us.Â* We
were
surprised by both the attitude and the candor but that was
probably a
reflection of our inexperience with such things.



I don't know of anyone who was in the Navy, officer or enlisted,
who relished sea duty.


Then why sign up for it? One might think that if one is signing up
for the navy, one relishes the idea of serving on a ship at sea.



Reason number one:Â* It was Navy or the Army.

Actually, the Navy is much, much more than just ships at sea.
There's a vast system for communications, aircraft squadrons, INTEL
facilities, administration, logistics and supply facilities that
support the mission of the Navy and the fleet.Â*Â* I don't know the
breakdown butÂ* I believe that far more Navy personnel are assigned
to shore duty stations at any one time than assigned to ships.

Typically, the rotation is three years of sea duty and then three
years of shore duty.Â* But it's more complicated than that because
some overseas shore duty may be counted as sea duty for rotational
purposes. I was actually on ships for three years but had two tours
overseas that also counted as sea duty.Â* My only duty that did not
count as sea duty was time in schools and my last duty station in
Annapolis.





Yeah, I know the navy is more than just ships at sea, but...why
would
you join the navy unless you were into ships at sea?


I felt I had an obligation to serve my country.Â* You?

No. I had a passing interest in going to the Coast Guard Academy, but
that passed. Had I been ordered to report for a pre-induction
physical,
I might have signed up, but I never heard from my local draft board,
other than getting the signed USPS receipts from the change of address
info I sent.

So "no" means you felt no obligation to serve your country.Â* At least
that's honest.





Going to SE Asia to kill SE Asians served the military-industrial
complex.
I don’t believeÂ* it served the country.


Over nine million people served on active military duty during the
Vietnam War.

Of that nine million, one to one and a half million were stationed in
a war zone and actually saw combat.


Yeah, I wasn't an enabler, either. You're making more of this than I
did, as usual. I did what the law required...I registered and I kept my
draft board aware of my address. If I had been drafted, I would have
shown up. I wasn't, so I didn't. In retrospect, I am happy I didn't help
the military-industrial complex kill SE Asians, produce billets and
promotions, and put profits into the coffers of war-mongering
corporations,Â* but I didn't think much about that at the time.



Going back to the original point ... your answer is still, No, you felt
no obligation to serve your country then and obviously have never felt
otherwise since.

That's your right. Others feel differently.

The rest of your BS are just excuses, typical of those who feel a need
to find some.

On 8/24/17 7:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2017 7:07 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/24/17 7:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 11:14 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 8:57 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/23/17 8:42 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 8:00 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/23/17 6:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 5:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/23/17 12:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 11:02 AM, wrote:
This article offers some interesting insights into some of the
issues
behind the recent naval collisions:

http://gcaptain.com/separate-equal-look-officer-training-us-navy-merchant-marine/



They make the point that many, if not most, US naval
officers regard
sea duty as something that must be endured on the way to higher
rank,
as opposed to a career goal in and of itself.

My wife and I once met a recently promoted US Coast Guard
admiral
who
expressed exactly those sentiments in a conversation with
us.Â* We
were
surprised by both the attitude and the candor but that was
probably a
reflection of our inexperience with such things.



I don't know of anyone who was in the Navy, officer or enlisted,
who relished sea duty.


Then why sign up for it? One might think that if one is
signing up
for the navy, one relishes the idea of serving on a ship at sea.



Reason number one:Â* It was Navy or the Army.

Actually, the Navy is much, much more than just ships at sea.
There's a vast system for communications, aircraft squadrons,
INTEL
facilities, administration, logistics and supply facilities that
support the mission of the Navy and the fleet.Â*Â* I don't know the
breakdown butÂ* I believe that far more Navy personnel are assigned
to shore duty stations at any one time than assigned to ships.

Typically, the rotation is three years of sea duty and then three
years of shore duty.Â* But it's more complicated than that because
some overseas shore duty may be counted as sea duty for rotational
purposes. I was actually on ships for three years but had two
tours
overseas that also counted as sea duty.Â* My only duty that did not
count as sea duty was time in schools and my last duty station in
Annapolis.





Yeah, I know the navy is more than just ships at sea, but...why
would
you join the navy unless you were into ships at sea?


I felt I had an obligation to serve my country.Â* You?

No. I had a passing interest in going to the Coast Guard Academy, but
that passed. Had I been ordered to report for a pre-induction
physical,
I might have signed up, but I never heard from my local draft board,
other than getting the signed USPS receipts from the change of
address
info I sent.

So "no" means you felt no obligation to serve your country.Â* At least
that's honest.





Going to SE Asia to kill SE Asians served the military-industrial
complex.
I don’t believeÂ* it served the country.


Over nine million people served on active military duty during the
Vietnam War.

Of that nine million, one to one and a half million were stationed in
a war zone and actually saw combat.


Yeah, I wasn't an enabler, either. You're making more of this than I
did, as usual. I did what the law required...I registered and I kept
my draft board aware of my address. If I had been drafted, I would
have shown up. I wasn't, so I didn't. In retrospect, I am happy I
didn't help the military-industrial complex kill SE Asians, produce
billets and promotions, and put profits into the coffers of
war-mongering corporations,Â* but I didn't think much about that at the
time.



Going back to the original point ... your answer is still, No, you felt
no obligation to serve your countryÂ* then and obviously have never felt
otherwise since.

That's your right.Â* Others feel differently.

The rest of your BS are just excuses, typical of those who feel a need
to find some.



Oh, please. If it makes you feel happier to rationalize the assistance
you gave to the military-industrial complex that was involved in killing
hundreds of thousands of SE Asians, hey, go for it. Nothing this country
did in the war against Vietnam served our country.

On 8/24/2017 7:43 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/24/17 7:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2017 7:07 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/24/17 7:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 11:14 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 8:57 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/23/17 8:42 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 8:00 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/23/17 6:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 5:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/23/17 12:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 11:02 AM, wrote:
This article offers some interesting insights into some of the
issues
behind the recent naval collisions:

http://gcaptain.com/separate-equal-look-officer-training-us-navy-merchant-marine/



They make the point that many, if not most, US naval
officers regard
sea duty as something that must be endured on the way to
higher
rank,
as opposed to a career goal in and of itself.

My wife and I once met a recently promoted US Coast Guard
admiral
who
expressed exactly those sentiments in a conversation with
us.Â* We
were
surprised by both the attitude and the candor but that was
probably a
reflection of our inexperience with such things.



I don't know of anyone who was in the Navy, officer or
enlisted,
who relished sea duty.


Then why sign up for it? One might think that if one is
signing up
for the navy, one relishes the idea of serving on a ship at sea.



Reason number one:Â* It was Navy or the Army.

Actually, the Navy is much, much more than just ships at sea.
There's a vast system for communications, aircraft squadrons,
INTEL
facilities, administration, logistics and supply facilities that
support the mission of the Navy and the fleet.Â*Â* I don't know the
breakdown butÂ* I believe that far more Navy personnel are
assigned
to shore duty stations at any one time than assigned to ships.

Typically, the rotation is three years of sea duty and then three
years of shore duty.Â* But it's more complicated than that because
some overseas shore duty may be counted as sea duty for
rotational
purposes. I was actually on ships for three years but had two
tours
overseas that also counted as sea duty.Â* My only duty that did
not
count as sea duty was time in schools and my last duty station in
Annapolis.





Yeah, I know the navy is more than just ships at sea, but...why
would
you join the navy unless you were into ships at sea?


I felt I had an obligation to serve my country.Â* You?

No. I had a passing interest in going to the Coast Guard Academy,
but
that passed. Had I been ordered to report for a pre-induction
physical,
I might have signed up, but I never heard from my local draft board,
other than getting the signed USPS receipts from the change of
address
info I sent.

So "no" means you felt no obligation to serve your country.Â* At least
that's honest.





Going to SE Asia to kill SE Asians served the military-industrial
complex.
I don’t believeÂ* it served the country.


Over nine million people served on active military duty during the
Vietnam War.

Of that nine million, one to one and a half million were stationed
in a war zone and actually saw combat.


Yeah, I wasn't an enabler, either. You're making more of this than I
did, as usual. I did what the law required...I registered and I kept
my draft board aware of my address. If I had been drafted, I would
have shown up. I wasn't, so I didn't. In retrospect, I am happy I
didn't help the military-industrial complex kill SE Asians, produce
billets and promotions, and put profits into the coffers of
war-mongering corporations,Â* but I didn't think much about that at
the time.



Going back to the original point ... your answer is still, No, you
felt no obligation to serve your countryÂ* then and obviously have
never felt otherwise since.

That's your right.Â* Others feel differently.

The rest of your BS are just excuses, typical of those who feel a need
to find some.



Oh, please. If it makes you feel happier to rationalize the assistance
you gave to the military-industrial complex that was involved in killing
hundreds of thousands of SE Asians, hey, go for it. Nothing this country
did in the war against Vietnam served our country.


So, maybe you might have considered serving in the military but only if
it was in total peacetime? Figures.

On 8/24/17 7:57 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2017 7:43 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/24/17 7:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2017 7:07 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/24/17 7:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 11:14 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 8:57 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/23/17 8:42 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 8:00 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/23/17 6:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 5:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/23/17 12:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 11:02 AM, wrote:
This article offers some interesting insights into some of
the
issues
behind the recent naval collisions:

http://gcaptain.com/separate-equal-look-officer-training-us-navy-merchant-marine/



They make the point that many, if not most, US naval
officers regard
sea duty as something that must be endured on the way to
higher
rank,
as opposed to a career goal in and of itself.

My wife and I once met a recently promoted US Coast Guard
admiral
who
expressed exactly those sentiments in a conversation with
us.Â* We
were
surprised by both the attitude and the candor but that was
probably a
reflection of our inexperience with such things.



I don't know of anyone who was in the Navy, officer or
enlisted,
who relished sea duty.


Then why sign up for it? One might think that if one is
signing up
for the navy, one relishes the idea of serving on a ship at
sea.



Reason number one:Â* It was Navy or the Army.

Actually, the Navy is much, much more than just ships at sea.
There's a vast system for communications, aircraft squadrons,
INTEL
facilities, administration, logistics and supply facilities that
support the mission of the Navy and the fleet.Â*Â* I don't know
the
breakdown butÂ* I believe that far more Navy personnel are
assigned
to shore duty stations at any one time than assigned to ships.

Typically, the rotation is three years of sea duty and then
three
years of shore duty.Â* But it's more complicated than that
because
some overseas shore duty may be counted as sea duty for
rotational
purposes. I was actually on ships for three years but had two
tours
overseas that also counted as sea duty.Â* My only duty that
did not
count as sea duty was time in schools and my last duty
station in
Annapolis.





Yeah, I know the navy is more than just ships at sea,
but...why would
you join the navy unless you were into ships at sea?


I felt I had an obligation to serve my country.Â* You?

No. I had a passing interest in going to the Coast Guard
Academy, but
that passed. Had I been ordered to report for a pre-induction
physical,
I might have signed up, but I never heard from my local draft
board,
other than getting the signed USPS receipts from the change of
address
info I sent.

So "no" means you felt no obligation to serve your country.Â* At
least
that's honest.





Going to SE Asia to kill SE Asians served the military-industrial
complex.
I don’t believeÂ* it served the country.


Over nine million people served on active military duty during the
Vietnam War.

Of that nine million, one to one and a half million were stationed
in a war zone and actually saw combat.


Yeah, I wasn't an enabler, either. You're making more of this than I
did, as usual. I did what the law required...I registered and I kept
my draft board aware of my address. If I had been drafted, I would
have shown up. I wasn't, so I didn't. In retrospect, I am happy I
didn't help the military-industrial complex kill SE Asians, produce
billets and promotions, and put profits into the coffers of
war-mongering corporations,Â* but I didn't think much about that at
the time.



Going back to the original point ... your answer is still, No, you
felt no obligation to serve your countryÂ* then and obviously have
never felt otherwise since.

That's your right.Â* Others feel differently.

The rest of your BS are just excuses, typical of those who feel a
need to find some.



Oh, please. If it makes you feel happier to rationalize the assistance
you gave to the military-industrial complex that was involved in
killing hundreds of thousands of SE Asians, hey, go for it. Nothing
this country did in the war against Vietnam served our country.


So, maybe you might have considered serving in the military but only if
it was in total peacetime?Â* Figures.


Have you been sleeping with Fretwell? You went to college...you have no
business trying to use that sort of illogical logic.

On 8/24/2017 8:05 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/24/17 7:57 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2017 7:43 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/24/17 7:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2017 7:07 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/24/17 7:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 11:14 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 8:57 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/23/17 8:42 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 8:00 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/23/17 6:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 5:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/23/17 12:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 11:02 AM, wrote:
This article offers some interesting insights into some
of the
issues
behind the recent naval collisions:

http://gcaptain.com/separate-equal-look-officer-training-us-navy-merchant-marine/



They make the point that many, if not most, US naval
officers regard
sea duty as something that must be endured on the way to
higher
rank,
as opposed to a career goal in and of itself.

My wife and I once met a recently promoted US Coast Guard
admiral
who
expressed exactly those sentiments in a conversation with
us.Â* We
were
surprised by both the attitude and the candor but that was
probably a
reflection of our inexperience with such things.



I don't know of anyone who was in the Navy, officer or
enlisted,
who relished sea duty.


Then why sign up for it? One might think that if one is
signing up
for the navy, one relishes the idea of serving on a ship at
sea.



Reason number one:Â* It was Navy or the Army.

Actually, the Navy is much, much more than just ships at sea.
There's a vast system for communications, aircraft
squadrons, INTEL
facilities, administration, logistics and supply facilities
that
support the mission of the Navy and the fleet.Â*Â* I don't
know the
breakdown butÂ* I believe that far more Navy personnel are
assigned
to shore duty stations at any one time than assigned to ships.

Typically, the rotation is three years of sea duty and then
three
years of shore duty.Â* But it's more complicated than that
because
some overseas shore duty may be counted as sea duty for
rotational
purposes. I was actually on ships for three years but had
two tours
overseas that also counted as sea duty.Â* My only duty that
did not
count as sea duty was time in schools and my last duty
station in
Annapolis.





Yeah, I know the navy is more than just ships at sea,
but...why would
you join the navy unless you were into ships at sea?


I felt I had an obligation to serve my country.Â* You?

No. I had a passing interest in going to the Coast Guard
Academy, but
that passed. Had I been ordered to report for a pre-induction
physical,
I might have signed up, but I never heard from my local draft
board,
other than getting the signed USPS receipts from the change of
address
info I sent.

So "no" means you felt no obligation to serve your country.Â* At
least
that's honest.





Going to SE Asia to kill SE Asians served the military-industrial
complex.
I don’t believeÂ* it served the country.


Over nine million people served on active military duty during the
Vietnam War.

Of that nine million, one to one and a half million were stationed
in a war zone and actually saw combat.


Yeah, I wasn't an enabler, either. You're making more of this than
I did, as usual. I did what the law required...I registered and I
kept my draft board aware of my address. If I had been drafted, I
would have shown up. I wasn't, so I didn't. In retrospect, I am
happy I didn't help the military-industrial complex kill SE Asians,
produce billets and promotions, and put profits into the coffers of
war-mongering corporations,Â* but I didn't think much about that at
the time.



Going back to the original point ... your answer is still, No, you
felt no obligation to serve your countryÂ* then and obviously have
never felt otherwise since.

That's your right.Â* Others feel differently.

The rest of your BS are just excuses, typical of those who feel a
need to find some.



Oh, please. If it makes you feel happier to rationalize the
assistance you gave to the military-industrial complex that was
involved in killing hundreds of thousands of SE Asians, hey, go for
it. Nothing this country did in the war against Vietnam served
our country.


So, maybe you might have considered serving in the military but only
if it was in total peacetime?Â* Figures.


Have you been sleeping with Fretwell? You went to college...you have no
business trying to use that sort of illogical logic.


I went to college to get the credentials I thought I would need for a
career as an engineer, not to adopt a political philosophy.

As it turned out it was mostly a waste of time and money in terms of
learning technical skills. In hindsight I now realize that Navy
electronic schools of the era in which I attended them provided a much
better education in that regard. The civilian schools taught what an
electronic component was used for. The Navy schools taught how they worked.

Most colleges today are nothing more than diploma mills.

On 8/24/17 8:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2017 8:05 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/24/17 7:57 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2017 7:43 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/24/17 7:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2017 7:07 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/24/17 7:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 11:14 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 8:57 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/23/17 8:42 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 8:00 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/23/17 6:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 5:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/23/17 12:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 11:02 AM,
wrote:
This article offers some interesting insights into some
of the
issues
behind the recent naval collisions:

http://gcaptain.com/separate-equal-look-officer-training-us-navy-merchant-marine/



They make the point that many, if not most, US naval
officers regard
sea duty as something that must be endured on the way to
higher
rank,
as opposed to a career goal in and of itself.

My wife and I once met a recently promoted US Coast
Guard admiral
who
expressed exactly those sentiments in a conversation
with us.Â* We
were
surprised by both the attitude and the candor but that was
probably a
reflection of our inexperience with such things.



I don't know of anyone who was in the Navy, officer or
enlisted,
who relished sea duty.


Then why sign up for it? One might think that if one is
signing up
for the navy, one relishes the idea of serving on a ship
at sea.



Reason number one:Â* It was Navy or the Army.

Actually, the Navy is much, much more than just ships at sea.
There's a vast system for communications, aircraft
squadrons, INTEL
facilities, administration, logistics and supply facilities
that
support the mission of the Navy and the fleet.Â*Â* I don't
know the
breakdown butÂ* I believe that far more Navy personnel are
assigned
to shore duty stations at any one time than assigned to ships.

Typically, the rotation is three years of sea duty and then
three
years of shore duty.Â* But it's more complicated than that
because
some overseas shore duty may be counted as sea duty for
rotational
purposes. I was actually on ships for three years but had
two tours
overseas that also counted as sea duty.Â* My only duty that
did not
count as sea duty was time in schools and my last duty
station in
Annapolis.





Yeah, I know the navy is more than just ships at sea,
but...why would
you join the navy unless you were into ships at sea?


I felt I had an obligation to serve my country.Â* You?

No. I had a passing interest in going to the Coast Guard
Academy, but
that passed. Had I been ordered to report for a pre-induction
physical,
I might have signed up, but I never heard from my local draft
board,
other than getting the signed USPS receipts from the change of
address
info I sent.

So "no" means you felt no obligation to serve your country.Â* At
least
that's honest.





Going to SE Asia to kill SE Asians served the
military-industrial complex.
I don’t believeÂ* it served the country.


Over nine million people served on active military duty during
the Vietnam War.

Of that nine million, one to one and a half million were
stationed in a war zone and actually saw combat.


Yeah, I wasn't an enabler, either. You're making more of this than
I did, as usual. I did what the law required...I registered and I
kept my draft board aware of my address. If I had been drafted, I
would have shown up. I wasn't, so I didn't. In retrospect, I am
happy I didn't help the military-industrial complex kill SE
Asians, produce billets and promotions, and put profits into the
coffers of war-mongering corporations,Â* but I didn't think much
about that at the time.



Going back to the original point ... your answer is still, No, you
felt no obligation to serve your countryÂ* then and obviously have
never felt otherwise since.

That's your right.Â* Others feel differently.

The rest of your BS are just excuses, typical of those who feel a
need to find some.



Oh, please. If it makes you feel happier to rationalize the
assistance you gave to the military-industrial complex that was
involved in killing hundreds of thousands of SE Asians, hey, go for
it. Nothing this country did in the war against Vietnam served
our country.


So, maybe you might have considered serving in the military but only
if it was in total peacetime?Â* Figures.


Have you been sleeping with Fretwell? You went to college...you have
no business trying to use that sort of illogical logic.


I went to college to get the credentials I thought I would need for a
career as an engineer, not to adopt a political philosophy.

As it turned out it was mostly a waste of time and money in terms of
learning technical skills. In hindsight I now realize that Navy
electronic schools of the era in which I attended them provided a much
better education in that regard.Â* The civilian schools taught what an
electronic component was used for.Â* The Navy schools taught how they
worked.

Most colleges today are nothing more than diploma mills.



Funny stuff...you have been sleeping with Fretwell.

On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 07:57:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Oh, please. If it makes you feel happier to rationalize the assistance
you gave to the military-industrial complex that was involved in killing
hundreds of thousands of SE Asians, hey, go for it. Nothing this country
did in the war against Vietnam served our country.


So, maybe you might have considered serving in the military but only if
it was in total peacetime? Figures.

No not a chance. Harry is older than me and it WAS peace time when I
joined (64 reporting Jan 65). LBJ had just told us he would be keeping
us out of the Vietnam conflict.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/johnson%20vietnam%20lie.mp3

Harry was hiding behind his 2-S

On 8/24/17 11:33 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 07:57:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Oh, please. If it makes you feel happier to rationalize the assistance
you gave to the military-industrial complex that was involved in killing
hundreds of thousands of SE Asians, hey, go for it. Nothing this country
did in the war against Vietnam served our country.


So, maybe you might have considered serving in the military but only if
it was in total peacetime? Figures.

No not a chance. Harry is older than me and it WAS peace time when I
joined (64 reporting Jan 65). LBJ had just told us he would be keeping
us out of the Vietnam conflict.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/johnson%20vietnam%20lie.mp3

Harry was hiding behind his 2-S



More of your nonsense.

On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 12:42:05 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/24/17 11:33 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 07:57:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Oh, please. If it makes you feel happier to rationalize the assistance
you gave to the military-industrial complex that was involved in killing
hundreds of thousands of SE Asians, hey, go for it. Nothing this country
did in the war against Vietnam served our country.


So, maybe you might have considered serving in the military but only if
it was in total peacetime? Figures.

No not a chance. Harry is older than me and it WAS peace time when I
joined (64 reporting Jan 65). LBJ had just told us he would be keeping
us out of the Vietnam conflict.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/johnson%20vietnam%20lie.mp3

Harry was hiding behind his 2-S



More of your nonsense.

Nonsense is you posting things like the above without saying which
part was "nonsense".
I understand that if you registered as 2-S they were not going to
draft you.
It is also true that your chance of having to go to SE asia in 1962-3
when you were 18 was nil. It was a volunteer job then and most of the
people there were some kind of special ops that you would not have
qualified for anyway. By the time of the Gulf of Tonkin lie, you would
be in college with a GI Bill scholarship.