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On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 17:09:08 -0400,
wrote:

I don't know of anyone who was in the Navy, officer or enlisted, who
relished sea duty.

===

It's easy to understand why, especially for the married guys with
families

I believe the military is best suited to single people. Otherwise
there is always going to be a conflict.
I agree if you have a nice Pentagon, Meade or Andrews billet, you are
just another commuter but like I said, why bother with the military at
that point, just get a job with a DoD contractor.

Keyser Soze

On 8/23/17 6:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 5:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/23/17 12:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 11:02 AM, wrote:
This article offers some interesting insights into some of the issues
behind the recent naval collisions:

http://gcaptain.com/separate-equal-look-officer-training-us-navy-merchant-marine/

They make the point that many, if not most, US naval officers regard
sea duty as something that must be endured on the way to higher rank,
as opposed to a career goal in and of itself.

My wife and I once met a recently promoted US Coast Guard admiral who
expressed exactly those sentiments in a conversation with us.Â* We were
surprised by both the attitude and the candor but that was probably a
reflection of our inexperience with such things.

I don't know of anyone who was in the Navy, officer or enlisted, who
relished sea duty.

Then why sign up for it? One might think that if one is signing up for
the navy, one relishes the idea of serving on a ship at sea.

Reason number one:Â* It was Navy or the Army.

Actually, the Navy is much, much more than just ships at sea.Â* There's a
vast system for communications, aircraft squadrons, INTEL facilities,
administration, logistics and supply facilities that support the mission
of the Navy and the fleet.Â*Â* I don't know the breakdown butÂ* I believe
that far more Navy personnel are assigned to shore duty stations at any
one time than assigned to ships.

Typically, the rotation is three years of sea duty and then three years
of shore duty.Â* But it's more complicated than that because some
overseas shore duty may be counted as sea duty for rotational purposes.
I was actually on ships for three years but had two tours overseas that
also counted as sea duty.Â* My only duty that did not count as sea duty
was time in schools and my last duty station in Annapolis.

Yeah, I know the navy is more than just ships at sea, but...why would
you join the navy unless you were into ships at sea?

Mr. Luddite[_4_]

On 8/23/2017 8:00 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/23/17 6:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 5:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/23/17 12:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 11:02 AM, wrote:
This article offers some interesting insights into some of the issues
behind the recent naval collisions:

http://gcaptain.com/separate-equal-look-officer-training-us-navy-merchant-marine/

They make the point that many, if not most, US naval officers regard
sea duty as something that must be endured on the way to higher rank,
as opposed to a career goal in and of itself.

My wife and I once met a recently promoted US Coast Guard admiral who
expressed exactly those sentiments in a conversation with us.Â* We were
surprised by both the attitude and the candor but that was probably a
reflection of our inexperience with such things.

I don't know of anyone who was in the Navy, officer or enlisted, who
relished sea duty.

Then why sign up for it? One might think that if one is signing up
for the navy, one relishes the idea of serving on a ship at sea.

Reason number one:Â* It was Navy or the Army.

Actually, the Navy is much, much more than just ships at sea.Â* There's
a vast system for communications, aircraft squadrons, INTEL
facilities, administration, logistics and supply facilities that
support the mission of the Navy and the fleet.Â*Â* I don't know the
breakdown butÂ* I believe that far more Navy personnel are assigned to
shore duty stations at any one time than assigned to ships.

Typically, the rotation is three years of sea duty and then three
years of shore duty.Â* But it's more complicated than that because some
overseas shore duty may be counted as sea duty for rotational
purposes. I was actually on ships for three years but had two tours
overseas that also counted as sea duty.Â* My only duty that did not
count as sea duty was time in schools and my last duty station in
Annapolis.

Yeah, I know the navy is more than just ships at sea, but...why would
you join the navy unless you were into ships at sea?

I felt I had an obligation to serve my country. You?

Keyser Soze

On 8/23/17 8:42 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 8:00 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/23/17 6:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 5:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/23/17 12:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 11:02 AM, wrote:
This article offers some interesting insights into some of the issues
behind the recent naval collisions:

http://gcaptain.com/separate-equal-look-officer-training-us-navy-merchant-marine/

They make the point that many, if not most, US naval officers regard
sea duty as something that must be endured on the way to higher rank,
as opposed to a career goal in and of itself.

My wife and I once met a recently promoted US Coast Guard admiral who
expressed exactly those sentiments in a conversation with us.Â* We
were
surprised by both the attitude and the candor but that was probably a
reflection of our inexperience with such things.

I don't know of anyone who was in the Navy, officer or enlisted,
who relished sea duty.

Then why sign up for it? One might think that if one is signing up
for the navy, one relishes the idea of serving on a ship at sea.

Reason number one:Â* It was Navy or the Army.

Actually, the Navy is much, much more than just ships at sea.
There's a vast system for communications, aircraft squadrons, INTEL
facilities, administration, logistics and supply facilities that
support the mission of the Navy and the fleet.Â*Â* I don't know the
breakdown butÂ* I believe that far more Navy personnel are assigned to
shore duty stations at any one time than assigned to ships.

Typically, the rotation is three years of sea duty and then three
years of shore duty.Â* But it's more complicated than that because
some overseas shore duty may be counted as sea duty for rotational
purposes. I was actually on ships for three years but had two tours
overseas that also counted as sea duty.Â* My only duty that did not
count as sea duty was time in schools and my last duty station in
Annapolis.

Yeah, I know the navy is more than just ships at sea, but...why would
you join the navy unless you were into ships at sea?

I felt I had an obligation to serve my country.Â* You?

No. I had a passing interest in going to the Coast Guard Academy, but
that passed. Had I been ordered to report for a pre-induction physical,
I might have signed up, but I never heard from my local draft board,
other than getting the signed USPS receipts from the change of address
info I sent.

Mr. Luddite[_4_]

On 8/23/2017 8:57 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/23/17 8:42 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 8:00 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/23/17 6:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 5:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/23/17 12:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 11:02 AM, wrote:
This article offers some interesting insights into some of the
issues
behind the recent naval collisions:

http://gcaptain.com/separate-equal-look-officer-training-us-navy-merchant-marine/

They make the point that many, if not most, US naval officers regard
sea duty as something that must be endured on the way to higher
rank,
as opposed to a career goal in and of itself.

My wife and I once met a recently promoted US Coast Guard admiral
who
expressed exactly those sentiments in a conversation with us.Â* We
were
surprised by both the attitude and the candor but that was
probably a
reflection of our inexperience with such things.

I don't know of anyone who was in the Navy, officer or enlisted,
who relished sea duty.

Then why sign up for it? One might think that if one is signing up
for the navy, one relishes the idea of serving on a ship at sea.

Reason number one:Â* It was Navy or the Army.

Actually, the Navy is much, much more than just ships at sea.
There's a vast system for communications, aircraft squadrons, INTEL
facilities, administration, logistics and supply facilities that
support the mission of the Navy and the fleet.Â*Â* I don't know the
breakdown butÂ* I believe that far more Navy personnel are assigned
to shore duty stations at any one time than assigned to ships.

Typically, the rotation is three years of sea duty and then three
years of shore duty.Â* But it's more complicated than that because
some overseas shore duty may be counted as sea duty for rotational
purposes. I was actually on ships for three years but had two tours
overseas that also counted as sea duty.Â* My only duty that did not
count as sea duty was time in schools and my last duty station in
Annapolis.

Yeah, I know the navy is more than just ships at sea, but...why would
you join the navy unless you were into ships at sea?

I felt I had an obligation to serve my country.Â* You?

No. I had a passing interest in going to the Coast Guard Academy, but
that passed. Had I been ordered to report for a pre-induction physical,
I might have signed up, but I never heard from my local draft board,
other than getting the signed USPS receipts from the change of address
info I sent.

So "no" means you felt no obligation to serve your country. At least
that's honest.

Keyser Soze

On 8/24/17 2:22 AM, wrote:
On 24 Aug 2017 03:14:14 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

So "no" means you felt no obligation to serve your country. At least
that's honest.

Going to SE Asia to kill SE Asians served the military-industrial complex.
I donâ€™t believe it served the country.

If you had decent qualifications they could have sent you to Germany
to defend us from the godless communists like my computer literate
friend from Maryland. With the qualifications you had, you could have
sat in the Stars and Stripes office in Saigon with Al Gore for a few
months and gone back home. The reality is, most people in the military
in the 60s never saw combat or even got close.

Most guys in my age group in the 1960s never got drafted.

Mr. Luddite[_4_]

On 8/23/2017 11:14 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 8:57 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/23/17 8:42 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 8:00 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/23/17 6:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 5:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/23/17 12:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 11:02 AM, wrote:
This article offers some interesting insights into some of the
issues
behind the recent naval collisions:

http://gcaptain.com/separate-equal-look-officer-training-us-navy-merchant-marine/

They make the point that many, if not most, US naval officers regard
sea duty as something that must be endured on the way to higher
rank,
as opposed to a career goal in and of itself.

My wife and I once met a recently promoted US Coast Guard admiral
who
expressed exactly those sentiments in a conversation with us.Â* We
were
surprised by both the attitude and the candor but that was
probably a
reflection of our inexperience with such things.

I don't know of anyone who was in the Navy, officer or enlisted,
who relished sea duty.

Then why sign up for it? One might think that if one is signing up
for the navy, one relishes the idea of serving on a ship at sea.

Reason number one:Â* It was Navy or the Army.

Actually, the Navy is much, much more than just ships at sea.
There's a vast system for communications, aircraft squadrons, INTEL
facilities, administration, logistics and supply facilities that
support the mission of the Navy and the fleet.Â*Â* I don't know the
breakdown butÂ* I believe that far more Navy personnel are assigned
to shore duty stations at any one time than assigned to ships.

Typically, the rotation is three years of sea duty and then three
years of shore duty.Â* But it's more complicated than that because
some overseas shore duty may be counted as sea duty for rotational
purposes. I was actually on ships for three years but had two tours
overseas that also counted as sea duty.Â* My only duty that did not
count as sea duty was time in schools and my last duty station in
Annapolis.

Yeah, I know the navy is more than just ships at sea, but...why would
you join the navy unless you were into ships at sea?

I felt I had an obligation to serve my country.Â* You?

No. I had a passing interest in going to the Coast Guard Academy, but
that passed. Had I been ordered to report for a pre-induction physical,
I might have signed up, but I never heard from my local draft board,
other than getting the signed USPS receipts from the change of address
info I sent.

So "no" means you felt no obligation to serve your country. At least
that's honest.

Going to SE Asia to kill SE Asians served the military-industrial complex.
I donâ€™t believe it served the country.

Over nine million people served on active military duty during the
Vietnam War.

Of that nine million, one to one and a half million were stationed in a
war zone and actually saw combat.

Mr. Luddite[_4_]

On 8/24/2017 6:11 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/24/17 2:22 AM, wrote:
On 24 Aug 2017 03:14:14 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

So "no" means you felt no obligation to serve your country.Â* At least
that's honest.

Going to SE Asia to kill SE Asians served the military-industrial
complex.
I donâ€™t believeÂ* it served the country.

If you had decent qualifications they could have sent you to Germany
to defend us from the godless communists like my computer literate
friend from Maryland. With the qualifications you had, you could have
sat in the Stars and Stripes office in Saigon with Al Gore for a few
months and gone back home. The reality is, most people in the military
in the 60s never saw combat or even got close.

Most guys in my age group in the 1960s never got drafted.

You didn't have to be drafted to serve your country.

Keyser Soze

On 8/24/17 7:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 11:14 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 8:57 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/23/17 8:42 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 8:00 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/23/17 6:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 5:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/23/17 12:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/23/2017 11:02 AM, wrote:
This article offers some interesting insights into some of the
issues
behind the recent naval collisions:

http://gcaptain.com/separate-equal-look-officer-training-us-navy-merchant-marine/

They make the point that many, if not most, US naval officers
regard
sea duty as something that must be endured on the way to higher
rank,
as opposed to a career goal in and of itself.

My wife and I once met a recently promoted US Coast Guard admiral
who
expressed exactly those sentiments in a conversation with us.Â* We
were
surprised by both the attitude and the candor but that was
probably a
reflection of our inexperience with such things.

I don't know of anyone who was in the Navy, officer or enlisted,
who relished sea duty.

Then why sign up for it? One might think that if one is signing up
for the navy, one relishes the idea of serving on a ship at sea.

Reason number one:Â* It was Navy or the Army.

Actually, the Navy is much, much more than just ships at sea.
There's a vast system for communications, aircraft squadrons, INTEL
facilities, administration, logistics and supply facilities that
support the mission of the Navy and the fleet.Â*Â* I don't know the
breakdown butÂ* I believe that far more Navy personnel are assigned
to shore duty stations at any one time than assigned to ships.

Typically, the rotation is three years of sea duty and then three
years of shore duty.Â* But it's more complicated than that because
some overseas shore duty may be counted as sea duty for rotational
purposes. I was actually on ships for three years but had two tours
overseas that also counted as sea duty.Â* My only duty that did not
count as sea duty was time in schools and my last duty station in
Annapolis.

Yeah, I know the navy is more than just ships at sea, but...why would
you join the navy unless you were into ships at sea?

I felt I had an obligation to serve my country.Â* You?

No. I had a passing interest in going to the Coast Guard Academy, but
that passed. Had I been ordered to report for a pre-induction physical,
I might have signed up, but I never heard from my local draft board,
other than getting the signed USPS receipts from the change of address
info I sent.

So "no" means you felt no obligation to serve your country.Â* At least
that's honest.

Going to SE Asia to kill SE Asians served the military-industrial
complex.
I donâ€™t believeÂ* it served the country.

Over nine million people served on active military duty during the
Vietnam War.

Of that nine million, one to one and a half million were stationed in a
war zone and actually saw combat.

Yeah, I wasn't an enabler, either. You're making more of this than I
did, as usual. I did what the law required...I registered and I kept my
draft board aware of my address. If I had been drafted, I would have
shown up. I wasn't, so I didn't. In retrospect, I am happy I didn't help
the military-industrial complex kill SE Asians, produce billets and
promotions, and put profits into the coffers of war-mongering
corporations, but I didn't think much about that at the time.

John H[_2_]

On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 02:22:47 -0400, wrote:

On 24 Aug 2017 03:14:14 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

So "no" means you felt no obligation to serve your country. At least
that's honest.

Going to SE Asia to kill SE Asians served the military-industrial complex.
I don’t believe it served the country.

If you had decent qualifications they could have sent you to Germany
to defend us from the godless communists like my computer literate
friend from Maryland. With the qualifications you had, you could have
sat in the Stars and Stripes office in Saigon with Al Gore for a few
months and gone back home. The reality is, most people in the military
in the 60s never saw combat or even got close.

Or me. My first and last overseas tours were in Germany, working on plans to defend us from the
Godless communists! Saddam took our attention away from the Fulda Gap for a while. I wonder if the
forces over there still plan for an 'active defense' in the Fulda Gap.

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