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On 8/24/2017 9:54 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:40:52 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/24/17 7:30 PM, wrote:


Here we go again. hehehehehe.

Another brain fart from Harry. I understand technical things are
beyond your comprehension but you don't need to be so proud of it.


I don't have any problems moving .jpg's to and fro. I know better than
to try to do so with my usenet provider in a "non-binary" newsgroup or
whatever was being tried that didn't work.

Oh, and I had more than 50 articles published in PC Week, PC Magazine,
BYTE and a few lesser pubs. I had a biweekly column in PC Week. Your
computer oriented technical articles consisted of...???

Uh huh. So If I go look at the archives of PC week or PC Mag I will
see a lot of "technical" articles from Harry Krause? We are not
talking about case styling and the feel of the keyboard are we?



They were probably letters to the editor.

In fairness, I remember reading something Harry wrote in some PC
magazine. He used to volunteer to do beta testing and provided feedback.

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On 8/25/2017 8:10 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2017 9:54 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:40:52 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/24/17 7:30 PM, wrote:


Here we go again. hehehehehe.

Another brain fart from Harry. I understand technical things are
beyond your comprehension but you don't need to be so proud of it.


I don't have any problems moving .jpg's to and fro. I know better than
to try to do so with my usenet provider in a "non-binary" newsgroup or
whatever was being tried that didn't work.

Oh, and I had more than 50 articles published in PC Week, PC Magazine,
BYTE and a few lesser pubs. I had a biweekly column in PC Week. Your
computer oriented technical articles consisted of...???

Uh huh. So If I go look at the archives of PC week or PC Mag I will
see a lot of "technical" articles from Harry Krause? We are not
talking about case styling and the feel of the keyboard are we?



They were probably letters to the editor.

In fairness, I remember reading something Harry wrote in some PC
magazine. He used to volunteer to do beta testing and provided feedback.




Your memory is faulty. I wasn’t a volunteer. I was under contract to
Ziff-Davis for an every other week article and was surprised at how well
they paid for 500-750 words. Most were published in PC WEEK but a few made
it into PC MAG. This was in the mid-1980s. That was when I started messing
around with PASCAL for the fun of it.


The one I read was a beta test review of some program.

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On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 7:29:23 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2017 9:54 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:40:52 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/24/17 7:30 PM, wrote:


Here we go again. hehehehehe.

Another brain fart from Harry. I understand technical things are
beyond your comprehension but you don't need to be so proud of it.


I don't have any problems moving .jpg's to and fro. I know better than
to try to do so with my usenet provider in a "non-binary" newsgroup or
whatever was being tried that didn't work.

Oh, and I had more than 50 articles published in PC Week, PC Magazine,
BYTE and a few lesser pubs. I had a biweekly column in PC Week. Your
computer oriented technical articles consisted of...???

Uh huh. So If I go look at the archives of PC week or PC Mag I will
see a lot of "technical" articles from Harry Krause? We are not
talking about case styling and the feel of the keyboard are we?



They were probably letters to the editor.

In fairness, I remember reading something Harry wrote in some PC
magazine. He used to volunteer to do beta testing and provided feedback.

Yabut, he said he was published in BYTE. That was a highly technical magazine written by very competent engineers. They published stuff like schematics of computer circuits complete with timing diagrams and sample code to perform complex functions. If true, they must have needed some fluff filler piece because he doesn't have the engineering chops to write anything that they would normally publish.

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wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 02:48:48 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:40:52 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/24/17 7:30 PM, wrote:


Here we go again. hehehehehe.

Another brain fart from Harry. I understand technical things are
beyond your comprehension but you don't need to be so proud of it.


I don't have any problems moving .jpg's to and fro. I know better than
to try to do so with my usenet provider in a "non-binary" newsgroup or
whatever was being tried that didn't work.

Oh, and I had more than 50 articles published in PC Week, PC Magazine,
BYTE and a few lesser pubs. I had a biweekly column in PC Week. Your
computer oriented technical articles consisted of...???

Uh huh. So If I go look at the archives of PC week or PC Mag I will
see a lot of "technical" articles from Harry Krause? We are not
talking about case styling and the feel of the keyboard are we?


How can he know anything valuable? He did not major in computers at
university. No degree in computer science or computer engineering.

I don't doubt that he took notes from a tech guy and polished it up
for publication or did reviews on the look and feel of a new product.


That he could, but according to Harry, no university courses, then can not
know anything.

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On 8/25/17 11:20 AM, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 02:48:48 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:40:52 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/24/17 7:30 PM, wrote:


Here we go again. hehehehehe.

Another brain fart from Harry. I understand technical things are
beyond your comprehension but you don't need to be so proud of it.


I don't have any problems moving .jpg's to and fro. I know better than
to try to do so with my usenet provider in a "non-binary" newsgroup or
whatever was being tried that didn't work.

Oh, and I had more than 50 articles published in PC Week, PC Magazine,
BYTE and a few lesser pubs. I had a biweekly column in PC Week. Your
computer oriented technical articles consisted of...???

Uh huh. So If I go look at the archives of PC week or PC Mag I will
see a lot of "technical" articles from Harry Krause? We are not
talking about case styling and the feel of the keyboard are we?


How can he know anything valuable? He did not major in computers at
university. No degree in computer science or computer engineering.

I don't doubt that he took notes from a tech guy and polished it up
for publication or did reviews on the look and feel of a new product.


That he could, but according to Harry, no university courses, then can not
know anything.



Actually, Bilious, I took a handful of university courses in programming
and computer science back in the 1980s, not because I was interested in
using the knowledge "professionally," as it were, but because of my
intellectual curiosity. I started by teaching myself, with the help of a
couple of manuals, rudimentary PASCAL, and I was "tutored" by a couple
of buddies, one of whom was a high-level computer scientist and the
other, a systems analyst. No biggie, but, yes, I took some university
courses in the field. So, once again and, as always, you are...wrong.

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On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 06:53:15 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

Yabut, he said he was published in BYTE. That was a highly technical magazine written by very
competent engineers. They published stuff like schematics of computer circuits complete with
timing diagrams and sample code to perform complex functions. If true, they must have needed
some fluff filler piece because he doesn't have the engineering chops to write anything that they
would normally publish.

===

I was an early subscriber to BYTE and still have some very early
editions laying around here somewhere. They used to run monthly
articles by an engineer named Steve Ciarcia, "Ciarcia's Circuit
Cellar". I don't think I ever built any of his circuits but always
enjoyed reading about them since I had an engineering/electronics
background.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Ciarcia

https://www.amazon.com/Best-Ciarcias-Circuit-Cellar/dp/0070110190

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte_(magazine)

Science fiction author and PhD, Jerry Pournelle, was another regular
contributor that I enjoyed reading every month. His column was called
"Chaos Manor" and had a wide following.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Pournelle

Our friend Harree was never anywhere close to being on the same
technical level as their regular contributors, and frankly I never
remember seeing his name even though I was a regular reader.

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On 8/25/2017 9:53 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 7:29:23 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2017 9:54 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:40:52 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/24/17 7:30 PM, wrote:


Here we go again. hehehehehe.

Another brain fart from Harry. I understand technical things are
beyond your comprehension but you don't need to be so proud of it.


I don't have any problems moving .jpg's to and fro. I know better than
to try to do so with my usenet provider in a "non-binary" newsgroup or
whatever was being tried that didn't work.

Oh, and I had more than 50 articles published in PC Week, PC Magazine,
BYTE and a few lesser pubs. I had a biweekly column in PC Week. Your
computer oriented technical articles consisted of...???

Uh huh. So If I go look at the archives of PC week or PC Mag I will
see a lot of "technical" articles from Harry Krause? We are not
talking about case styling and the feel of the keyboard are we?



They were probably letters to the editor.

In fairness, I remember reading something Harry wrote in some PC
magazine. He used to volunteer to do beta testing and provided feedback.

Yabut, he said he was published in BYTE. That was a highly technical magazine written by very competent engineers. They published stuff like schematics of computer circuits complete with timing diagrams and sample code to perform complex functions. If true, they must have needed some fluff filler piece because he doesn't have the engineering chops to write anything that they would normally publish.


When it comes to computers, neither do I. :-)

I got a kick out of a visit from my younger son the other day. He
started a new job as a facilities manager for a company that uses
automatic, high volume packaging equipment. He took electronic
engineering courses when he attended MA Maritime but they only covered
digital logic circuits. They don't even teach theory anymore and vacuum
tubes, transistors, etc. are artifacts of ancient times.

One of the systems he's responsible for broke down due to a bad rotary
actuator. He was having a problem ordering a replacement because there
were two versions of it. One was a PNP type, the other a NPN. My son
had no clue what PNP or NPN meant. All he knew for sure was that they
had a magnet in them along with a small chip.

I explained he had a "Hall Effect" circuit and spent some time
explaining what PNP and NPN meant, drawing diagrams of transistors and
explaining what the base, emitter and collector were. Then I drew a
diagram of a vacuum tube with the cathode, screen grid and plate, while
explaining how it worked and the similarities in function to that of a
transistor that came later.

Now-a-days everything is on a chip the size of your little fingernail
and it probably contains a dozen or more and, or, nand or nor gates or
transistors used as gates.

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On 8/25/2017 12:22 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/25/17 11:20 AM, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 02:48:48 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:40:52 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/24/17 7:30 PM, wrote:


Here we go again. hehehehehe.

Another brain fart from Harry. I understand technical things are
beyond your comprehension but you don't need to be so proud of it.


I don't have any problems moving .jpg's to and fro. I know better
than
to try to do so with my usenet provider in a "non-binary"
newsgroup or
whatever was being tried that didn't work.

Oh, and I had more than 50 articles published in PC Week, PC
Magazine,
BYTE and a few lesser pubs. I had a biweekly column in PC Week. Your
computer oriented technical articles consisted of...???

Uh huh. So If I go look at the archives of PC week or PC Mag I will
see a lot of "technical" articles from Harry Krause? We are not
talking about case styling and the feel of the keyboard are we?


How can he know anything valuable?Â* He did not major in computers at
university.Â* No degree in computer science or computer engineering.

I don't doubt that he took notes from a tech guy and polished it up
for publication or did reviews on the look and feel of a new product.


That he could, but according to Harry, no university courses, then can
not
know anything.



Actually, Bilious, I took a handful of university courses in programming
and computer science back in the 1980s, not because I was interested in
using the knowledge "professionally," as it were, but because of my
intellectual curiosity. I started by teaching myself, with the help of a
couple of manuals, rudimentary PASCAL, and I was "tutored" by a couple
of buddies, one of whom was a high-level computer scientist and the
other, a systems analyst. No biggie, but, yes, I took some university
courses in the field. So, once again and, as always, you are...wrong.


Greg has educated himself in a similar fashion but, because he isn't
degreed, he must not be competent according to you. Where's your degree
in computer science or programming? A degree seems to be the only
qualifier of knowledge in your goofy world.

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On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 1:06:07 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/25/2017 9:53 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 7:29:23 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2017 9:54 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:40:52 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/24/17 7:30 PM, wrote:


Here we go again. hehehehehe.

Another brain fart from Harry. I understand technical things are
beyond your comprehension but you don't need to be so proud of it.


I don't have any problems moving .jpg's to and fro. I know better than
to try to do so with my usenet provider in a "non-binary" newsgroup or
whatever was being tried that didn't work.

Oh, and I had more than 50 articles published in PC Week, PC Magazine,
BYTE and a few lesser pubs. I had a biweekly column in PC Week. Your
computer oriented technical articles consisted of...???

Uh huh. So If I go look at the archives of PC week or PC Mag I will
see a lot of "technical" articles from Harry Krause? We are not
talking about case styling and the feel of the keyboard are we?



They were probably letters to the editor.

In fairness, I remember reading something Harry wrote in some PC
magazine. He used to volunteer to do beta testing and provided feedback.

Yabut, he said he was published in BYTE. That was a highly technical magazine written by very competent engineers. They published stuff like schematics of computer circuits complete with timing diagrams and sample code to perform complex functions. If true, they must have needed some fluff filler piece because he doesn't have the engineering chops to write anything that they would normally publish.


When it comes to computers, neither do I. :-)

I got a kick out of a visit from my younger son the other day. He
started a new job as a facilities manager for a company that uses
automatic, high volume packaging equipment. He took electronic
engineering courses when he attended MA Maritime but they only covered
digital logic circuits. They don't even teach theory anymore and vacuum
tubes, transistors, etc. are artifacts of ancient times.

One of the systems he's responsible for broke down due to a bad rotary
actuator. He was having a problem ordering a replacement because there
were two versions of it. One was a PNP type, the other a NPN. My son
had no clue what PNP or NPN meant. All he knew for sure was that they
had a magnet in them along with a small chip.

I explained he had a "Hall Effect" circuit and spent some time
explaining what PNP and NPN meant, drawing diagrams of transistors and
explaining what the base, emitter and collector were. Then I drew a
diagram of a vacuum tube with the cathode, screen grid and plate, while
explaining how it worked and the similarities in function to that of a
transistor that came later.

Now-a-days everything is on a chip the size of your little fingernail
and it probably contains a dozen or more and, or, nand or nor gates or
transistors used as gates.

It's worse than that. Those tiny little chips contain a whole lot more than just gates. The days of building logic circuits using gates in dedicated chips is pretty much gone. Now the vast majority is done with programmable logic devices (PLDs) and their variants where you just design the logic in an app and assign the inputs and outputs to the pins, then program the chip to perform that operation. A complex programmable logic device (CPLD) can contain 10's of thousand of logic gates, and is programmed after being soldered on to the board with serial data (usually JTAG) while in-circuit.

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On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 10:23:23 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 1:06:07 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/25/2017 9:53 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 7:29:23 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2017 9:54 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:40:52 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/24/17 7:30 PM, wrote:


Here we go again. hehehehehe.

Another brain fart from Harry. I understand technical things are
beyond your comprehension but you don't need to be so proud of it.


I don't have any problems moving .jpg's to and fro. I know better than
to try to do so with my usenet provider in a "non-binary" newsgroup or
whatever was being tried that didn't work.

Oh, and I had more than 50 articles published in PC Week, PC Magazine,
BYTE and a few lesser pubs. I had a biweekly column in PC Week. Your
computer oriented technical articles consisted of...???

Uh huh. So If I go look at the archives of PC week or PC Mag I will
see a lot of "technical" articles from Harry Krause? We are not
talking about case styling and the feel of the keyboard are we?



They were probably letters to the editor.

In fairness, I remember reading something Harry wrote in some PC
magazine. He used to volunteer to do beta testing and provided feedback.

Yabut, he said he was published in BYTE. That was a highly technical magazine written by very competent engineers. They published stuff like schematics of computer circuits complete with timing diagrams and sample code to perform complex functions. If true, they must have needed some fluff filler piece because he doesn't have the engineering chops to write anything that they would normally publish.


When it comes to computers, neither do I. :-)

I got a kick out of a visit from my younger son the other day. He
started a new job as a facilities manager for a company that uses
automatic, high volume packaging equipment. He took electronic
engineering courses when he attended MA Maritime but they only covered
digital logic circuits. They don't even teach theory anymore and vacuum
tubes, transistors, etc. are artifacts of ancient times.

One of the systems he's responsible for broke down due to a bad rotary
actuator. He was having a problem ordering a replacement because there
were two versions of it. One was a PNP type, the other a NPN. My son
had no clue what PNP or NPN meant. All he knew for sure was that they
had a magnet in them along with a small chip.

I explained he had a "Hall Effect" circuit and spent some time
explaining what PNP and NPN meant, drawing diagrams of transistors and
explaining what the base, emitter and collector were. Then I drew a
diagram of a vacuum tube with the cathode, screen grid and plate, while
explaining how it worked and the similarities in function to that of a
transistor that came later.

Now-a-days everything is on a chip the size of your little fingernail
and it probably contains a dozen or more and, or, nand or nor gates or
transistors used as gates.

It's worse than that. Those tiny little chips contain a whole lot more than just gates. The days of building logic circuits using gates in dedicated chips is pretty much gone. Now the vast majority is done with programmable logic devices (PLDs) and their variants where you just design the logic in an app and assign the inputs and outputs to the pins, then program the chip to perform that operation. A complex programmable logic device (CPLD) can contain 10's of thousand of logic gates, and is programmed after being soldered on to the board with serial data (usually JTAG) while in-circuit.


===

Amazing stuff, absolutely amazing. Electronics has come so far in my
lifetime that it has far surpassed anything I could have imagined. In
1957 I added a one transistor audio amplifier stage to a crystal set
that I had previously built as a cub scout. It worked surprisingly
well considering that it was built on a small 2x4 cutoff and had no
soldered connections. A friend of mine borrowed it and entered it in
a science fair without me knowing about it. He won 1st place

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Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/25/2017 9:53 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 7:29:23 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2017 9:54 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:40:52 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/24/17 7:30 PM, wrote:


Here we go again. hehehehehe.

Another brain fart from Harry. I understand technical things are
beyond your comprehension but you don't need to be so proud of it.


I don't have any problems moving .jpg's to and fro. I know better than
to try to do so with my usenet provider in a "non-binary" newsgroup or
whatever was being tried that didn't work.

Oh, and I had more than 50 articles published in PC Week, PC Magazine,
BYTE and a few lesser pubs. I had a biweekly column in PC Week. Your
computer oriented technical articles consisted of...???

Uh huh. So If I go look at the archives of PC week or PC Mag I will
see a lot of "technical" articles from Harry Krause? We are not
talking about case styling and the feel of the keyboard are we?



They were probably letters to the editor.

In fairness, I remember reading something Harry wrote in some PC
magazine. He used to volunteer to do beta testing and provided feedback.

Yabut, he said he was published in BYTE. That was a highly technical
magazine written by very competent engineers. They published stuff like
schematics of computer circuits complete with timing diagrams and sample
code to perform complex functions. If true, they must have needed some
fluff filler piece because he doesn't have the engineering chops to
write anything that they would normally publish.


When it comes to computers, neither do I. :-)

I got a kick out of a visit from my younger son the other day. He
started a new job as a facilities manager for a company that uses
automatic, high volume packaging equipment. He took electronic
engineering courses when he attended MA Maritime but they only covered
digital logic circuits. They don't even teach theory anymore and vacuum
tubes, transistors, etc. are artifacts of ancient times.

One of the systems he's responsible for broke down due to a bad rotary
actuator. He was having a problem ordering a replacement because there
were two versions of it. One was a PNP type, the other a NPN. My son
had no clue what PNP or NPN meant. All he knew for sure was that they
had a magnet in them along with a small chip.

I explained he had a "Hall Effect" circuit and spent some time
explaining what PNP and NPN meant, drawing diagrams of transistors and
explaining what the base, emitter and collector were. Then I drew a
diagram of a vacuum tube with the cathode, screen grid and plate, while
explaining how it worked and the similarities in function to that of a
transistor that came later.

Now-a-days everything is on a chip the size of your little fingernail
and it probably contains a dozen or more and, or, nand or nor gates or
transistors used as gates.


I also have an analog background and still get headhunters contacting me,
as analog is needed now. The problem I saw years ago, was the university
taught digital, and did not seem to realize that the speeds even 15 years
ago required analog training. Even an early Pentium ran faster than any AM
radio frequency. Crosstalk and induced signals to adjacent lines were some
of our biggest problems.

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On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 13:06:02 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Now-a-days everything is on a chip the size of your little fingernail
and it probably contains a dozen or more and, or, nand or nor gates or
transistors used as gates.

That was 50 years ago when IBM started using MST logic. These days
millions is a better guess and memory chip will be billions.

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On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 13:37:17 -0400,
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 10:23:23 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 1:06:07 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/25/2017 9:53 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 7:29:23 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2017 9:54 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:40:52 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/24/17 7:30 PM, wrote:


Here we go again. hehehehehe.

Another brain fart from Harry. I understand technical things are
beyond your comprehension but you don't need to be so proud of it.


I don't have any problems moving .jpg's to and fro. I know better than
to try to do so with my usenet provider in a "non-binary" newsgroup or
whatever was being tried that didn't work.

Oh, and I had more than 50 articles published in PC Week, PC Magazine,
BYTE and a few lesser pubs. I had a biweekly column in PC Week. Your
computer oriented technical articles consisted of...???

Uh huh. So If I go look at the archives of PC week or PC Mag I will
see a lot of "technical" articles from Harry Krause? We are not
talking about case styling and the feel of the keyboard are we?



They were probably letters to the editor.

In fairness, I remember reading something Harry wrote in some PC
magazine. He used to volunteer to do beta testing and provided feedback.

Yabut, he said he was published in BYTE. That was a highly technical magazine written by very competent engineers. They published stuff like schematics of computer circuits complete with timing diagrams and sample code to perform complex functions. If true, they must have needed some fluff filler piece because he doesn't have the engineering chops to write anything that they would normally publish.


When it comes to computers, neither do I. :-)

I got a kick out of a visit from my younger son the other day. He
started a new job as a facilities manager for a company that uses
automatic, high volume packaging equipment. He took electronic
engineering courses when he attended MA Maritime but they only covered
digital logic circuits. They don't even teach theory anymore and vacuum
tubes, transistors, etc. are artifacts of ancient times.

One of the systems he's responsible for broke down due to a bad rotary
actuator. He was having a problem ordering a replacement because there
were two versions of it. One was a PNP type, the other a NPN. My son
had no clue what PNP or NPN meant. All he knew for sure was that they
had a magnet in them along with a small chip.

I explained he had a "Hall Effect" circuit and spent some time
explaining what PNP and NPN meant, drawing diagrams of transistors and
explaining what the base, emitter and collector were. Then I drew a
diagram of a vacuum tube with the cathode, screen grid and plate, while
explaining how it worked and the similarities in function to that of a
transistor that came later.

Now-a-days everything is on a chip the size of your little fingernail
and it probably contains a dozen or more and, or, nand or nor gates or
transistors used as gates.

It's worse than that. Those tiny little chips contain a whole lot more than just gates. The days of building logic circuits using gates in dedicated chips is pretty much gone. Now the vast majority is done with programmable logic devices (PLDs) and their variants where you just design the logic in an app and assign the inputs and outputs to the pins, then program the chip to perform that operation. A complex programmable logic device (CPLD) can contain 10's of thousand of logic gates, and is programmed after being soldered on to the board with serial data (usually JTAG) while in-circuit.


===

Amazing stuff, absolutely amazing. Electronics has come so far in my
lifetime that it has far surpassed anything I could have imagined. In
1957 I added a one transistor audio amplifier stage to a crystal set
that I had previously built as a cub scout. It worked surprisingly
well considering that it was built on a small 2x4 cutoff and had no
soldered connections. A friend of mine borrowed it and entered it in
a science fair without me knowing about it. He won 1st place

---

My start in this was a "kit" course when I was about 13-14. Every
month they sent you a bunch more parts and a book of things to try.
When you were all done you had an amplifier, a tuner and a few other
things that ended up being a regenerative AM radio among other things.
It was all done with 3 or 4 tubes. I used the amp long after I decided
a 5 bottle table radio was a whole lot better. I didn't really start
playing with transistors until I got to IBM although I knew a lot
about them from school.
As soon as I figured out IBM was scrapping the returns, they did not
get much back on the cards. I did learn what was failing on the card
tho because I was removing and testing components for my projects.
It saved us a few times because I was able to fix a card if we could
not get one right away.

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On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 3:22:27 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/25/2017 9:53 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 7:29:23 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2017 9:54 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:40:52 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/24/17 7:30 PM, wrote:


Here we go again. hehehehehe.

Another brain fart from Harry. I understand technical things are
beyond your comprehension but you don't need to be so proud of it.


I don't have any problems moving .jpg's to and fro. I know better than
to try to do so with my usenet provider in a "non-binary" newsgroup or
whatever was being tried that didn't work.

Oh, and I had more than 50 articles published in PC Week, PC Magazine,
BYTE and a few lesser pubs. I had a biweekly column in PC Week. Your
computer oriented technical articles consisted of...???

Uh huh. So If I go look at the archives of PC week or PC Mag I will
see a lot of "technical" articles from Harry Krause? We are not
talking about case styling and the feel of the keyboard are we?



They were probably letters to the editor.

In fairness, I remember reading something Harry wrote in some PC
magazine. He used to volunteer to do beta testing and provided feedback.

Yabut, he said he was published in BYTE. That was a highly technical
magazine written by very competent engineers. They published stuff like
schematics of computer circuits complete with timing diagrams and sample
code to perform complex functions. If true, they must have needed some
fluff filler piece because he doesn't have the engineering chops to
write anything that they would normally publish.


When it comes to computers, neither do I. :-)

I got a kick out of a visit from my younger son the other day. He
started a new job as a facilities manager for a company that uses
automatic, high volume packaging equipment. He took electronic
engineering courses when he attended MA Maritime but they only covered
digital logic circuits. They don't even teach theory anymore and vacuum
tubes, transistors, etc. are artifacts of ancient times.

One of the systems he's responsible for broke down due to a bad rotary
actuator. He was having a problem ordering a replacement because there
were two versions of it. One was a PNP type, the other a NPN. My son
had no clue what PNP or NPN meant. All he knew for sure was that they
had a magnet in them along with a small chip.

I explained he had a "Hall Effect" circuit and spent some time
explaining what PNP and NPN meant, drawing diagrams of transistors and
explaining what the base, emitter and collector were. Then I drew a
diagram of a vacuum tube with the cathode, screen grid and plate, while
explaining how it worked and the similarities in function to that of a
transistor that came later.

Now-a-days everything is on a chip the size of your little fingernail
and it probably contains a dozen or more and, or, nand or nor gates or
transistors used as gates.


I also have an analog background and still get headhunters contacting me,
as analog is needed now. The problem I saw years ago, was the university
taught digital, and did not seem to realize that the speeds even 15 years
ago required analog training. Even an early Pentium ran faster than any AM
radio frequency. Crosstalk and induced signals to adjacent lines were some
of our biggest problems.

That's not an analog problem, that's an RF problem. :)
When you're moving electrons around on copper traces on a PC board as fast as a modern computer does, you can't make 90 degree turns with the traces. The electrons can't turn that quickly and tend to flow off the copper. Seriously.

Now it's Maryland
 

On 8/25/2017 4:39 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 3:22:27 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/25/2017 9:53 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 7:29:23 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2017 9:54 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:40:52 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/24/17 7:30 PM, wrote:


Here we go again. hehehehehe.

Another brain fart from Harry. I understand technical things are
beyond your comprehension but you don't need to be so proud of it.


I don't have any problems moving .jpg's to and fro. I know better than
to try to do so with my usenet provider in a "non-binary" newsgroup or
whatever was being tried that didn't work.

Oh, and I had more than 50 articles published in PC Week, PC Magazine,
BYTE and a few lesser pubs. I had a biweekly column in PC Week. Your
computer oriented technical articles consisted of...???

Uh huh. So If I go look at the archives of PC week or PC Mag I will
see a lot of "technical" articles from Harry Krause? We are not
talking about case styling and the feel of the keyboard are we?



They were probably letters to the editor.

In fairness, I remember reading something Harry wrote in some PC
magazine. He used to volunteer to do beta testing and provided feedback.

Yabut, he said he was published in BYTE. That was a highly technical
magazine written by very competent engineers. They published stuff like
schematics of computer circuits complete with timing diagrams and sample
code to perform complex functions. If true, they must have needed some
fluff filler piece because he doesn't have the engineering chops to
write anything that they would normally publish.


When it comes to computers, neither do I. :-)

I got a kick out of a visit from my younger son the other day. He
started a new job as a facilities manager for a company that uses
automatic, high volume packaging equipment. He took electronic
engineering courses when he attended MA Maritime but they only covered
digital logic circuits. They don't even teach theory anymore and vacuum
tubes, transistors, etc. are artifacts of ancient times.

One of the systems he's responsible for broke down due to a bad rotary
actuator. He was having a problem ordering a replacement because there
were two versions of it. One was a PNP type, the other a NPN. My son
had no clue what PNP or NPN meant. All he knew for sure was that they
had a magnet in them along with a small chip.

I explained he had a "Hall Effect" circuit and spent some time
explaining what PNP and NPN meant, drawing diagrams of transistors and
explaining what the base, emitter and collector were. Then I drew a
diagram of a vacuum tube with the cathode, screen grid and plate, while
explaining how it worked and the similarities in function to that of a
transistor that came later.

Now-a-days everything is on a chip the size of your little fingernail
and it probably contains a dozen or more and, or, nand or nor gates or
transistors used as gates.


I also have an analog background and still get headhunters contacting me,
as analog is needed now. The problem I saw years ago, was the university
taught digital, and did not seem to realize that the speeds even 15 years
ago required analog training. Even an early Pentium ran faster than any AM
radio frequency. Crosstalk and induced signals to adjacent lines were some
of our biggest problems.

That's not an analog problem, that's an RF problem. :)
When you're moving electrons around on copper traces on a PC board as fast as a modern computer does, you can't make 90 degree turns with the traces. The electrons can't turn that quickly and tend to flow off the copper. Seriously.


I suppose all the dust that settles under the board are those dead
electrons. :-)

Now it's Maryland
 

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/25/2017 4:39 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 3:22:27 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/25/2017 9:53 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 7:29:23 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2017 9:54 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:40:52 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/24/17 7:30 PM, wrote:


Here we go again. hehehehehe.

Another brain fart from Harry. I understand technical things are
beyond your comprehension but you don't need to be so proud of it.


I don't have any problems moving .jpg's to and fro. I know better than
to try to do so with my usenet provider in a "non-binary" newsgroup or
whatever was being tried that didn't work.

Oh, and I had more than 50 articles published in PC Week, PC Magazine,
BYTE and a few lesser pubs. I had a biweekly column in PC Week. Your
computer oriented technical articles consisted of...???

Uh huh. So If I go look at the archives of PC week or PC Mag I will
see a lot of "technical" articles from Harry Krause? We are not
talking about case styling and the feel of the keyboard are we?



They were probably letters to the editor.

In fairness, I remember reading something Harry wrote in some PC
magazine. He used to volunteer to do beta testing and provided feedback.

Yabut, he said he was published in BYTE. That was a highly technical
magazine written by very competent engineers. They published stuff like
schematics of computer circuits complete with timing diagrams and sample
code to perform complex functions. If true, they must have needed some
fluff filler piece because he doesn't have the engineering chops to
write anything that they would normally publish.


When it comes to computers, neither do I. :-)

I got a kick out of a visit from my younger son the other day. He
started a new job as a facilities manager for a company that uses
automatic, high volume packaging equipment. He took electronic
engineering courses when he attended MA Maritime but they only covered
digital logic circuits. They don't even teach theory anymore and vacuum
tubes, transistors, etc. are artifacts of ancient times.

One of the systems he's responsible for broke down due to a bad rotary
actuator. He was having a problem ordering a replacement because there
were two versions of it. One was a PNP type, the other a NPN. My son
had no clue what PNP or NPN meant. All he knew for sure was that they
had a magnet in them along with a small chip.

I explained he had a "Hall Effect" circuit and spent some time
explaining what PNP and NPN meant, drawing diagrams of transistors and
explaining what the base, emitter and collector were. Then I drew a
diagram of a vacuum tube with the cathode, screen grid and plate, while
explaining how it worked and the similarities in function to that of a
transistor that came later.

Now-a-days everything is on a chip the size of your little fingernail
and it probably contains a dozen or more and, or, nand or nor gates or
transistors used as gates.


I also have an analog background and still get headhunters contacting me,
as analog is needed now. The problem I saw years ago, was the university
taught digital, and did not seem to realize that the speeds even 15 years
ago required analog training. Even an early Pentium ran faster than any AM
radio frequency. Crosstalk and induced signals to adjacent lines were some
of our biggest problems.

That's not an analog problem, that's an RF problem. :)
When you're moving electrons around on copper traces on a PC board as
fast as a modern computer does, you can't make 90 degree turns with the
traces. The electrons can't turn that quickly and tend to flow off the
copper. Seriously.


I suppose all the dust that settles under the board are those dead
electrons. :-)




Good one. We had long cables to the disk drives. flat cables, and the
original designer put the clock line next to the data lines. If you sent
an FF the clock line got tripped. Not at the proper time, so an extra
clock pulse.

Now it's Maryland
 

wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 13:37:17 -0400,
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 10:23:23 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 1:06:07 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/25/2017 9:53 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 7:29:23 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2017 9:54 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:40:52 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/24/17 7:30 PM, wrote:


Here we go again. hehehehehe.

Another brain fart from Harry. I understand technical things are
beyond your comprehension but you don't need to be so proud of it.


I don't have any problems moving .jpg's to and fro. I know better than
to try to do so with my usenet provider in a "non-binary" newsgroup or
whatever was being tried that didn't work.

Oh, and I had more than 50 articles published in PC Week, PC Magazine,
BYTE and a few lesser pubs. I had a biweekly column in PC Week. Your
computer oriented technical articles consisted of...???

Uh huh. So If I go look at the archives of PC week or PC Mag I will
see a lot of "technical" articles from Harry Krause? We are not
talking about case styling and the feel of the keyboard are we?



They were probably letters to the editor.

In fairness, I remember reading something Harry wrote in some PC
magazine. He used to volunteer to do beta testing and provided feedback.

Yabut, he said he was published in BYTE. That was a highly technical
magazine written by very competent engineers. They published stuff
like schematics of computer circuits complete with timing diagrams
and sample code to perform complex functions. If true, they must have
needed some fluff filler piece because he doesn't have the
engineering chops to write anything that they would normally publish.


When it comes to computers, neither do I. :-)

I got a kick out of a visit from my younger son the other day. He
started a new job as a facilities manager for a company that uses
automatic, high volume packaging equipment. He took electronic
engineering courses when he attended MA Maritime but they only covered
digital logic circuits. They don't even teach theory anymore and vacuum
tubes, transistors, etc. are artifacts of ancient times.

One of the systems he's responsible for broke down due to a bad rotary
actuator. He was having a problem ordering a replacement because there
were two versions of it. One was a PNP type, the other a NPN. My son
had no clue what PNP or NPN meant. All he knew for sure was that they
had a magnet in them along with a small chip.

I explained he had a "Hall Effect" circuit and spent some time
explaining what PNP and NPN meant, drawing diagrams of transistors and
explaining what the base, emitter and collector were. Then I drew a
diagram of a vacuum tube with the cathode, screen grid and plate, while
explaining how it worked and the similarities in function to that of a
transistor that came later.

Now-a-days everything is on a chip the size of your little fingernail
and it probably contains a dozen or more and, or, nand or nor gates or
transistors used as gates.

It's worse than that. Those tiny little chips contain a whole lot more
than just gates. The days of building logic circuits using gates in
dedicated chips is pretty much gone. Now the vast majority is done
with programmable logic devices (PLDs) and their variants where you
just design the logic in an app and assign the inputs and outputs to
the pins, then program the chip to perform that operation. A complex
programmable logic device (CPLD) can contain 10's of thousand of logic
gates, and is programmed after being soldered on to the board with
serial data (usually JTAG) while in-circuit.


===

Amazing stuff, absolutely amazing. Electronics has come so far in my
lifetime that it has far surpassed anything I could have imagined. In
1957 I added a one transistor audio amplifier stage to a crystal set
that I had previously built as a cub scout. It worked surprisingly
well considering that it was built on a small 2x4 cutoff and had no
soldered connections. A friend of mine borrowed it and entered it in
a science fair without me knowing about it. He won 1st place

---

My start in this was a "kit" course when I was about 13-14. Every
month they sent you a bunch more parts and a book of things to try.
When you were all done you had an amplifier, a tuner and a few other
things that ended up being a regenerative AM radio among other things.
It was all done with 3 or 4 tubes. I used the amp long after I decided
a 5 bottle table radio was a whole lot better. I didn't really start
playing with transistors until I got to IBM although I knew a lot
about them from school.
As soon as I figured out IBM was scrapping the returns, they did not
get much back on the cards. I did learn what was failing on the card
tho because I was removing and testing components for my projects.
It saved us a few times because I was able to fix a card if we could
not get one right away.


In 1964 at NCR mainframe school, we were taught to trouble shoot the
boards. Were no IC's then, all transistors. We would trouble shoot the
boards during the night. 2 flip flops on a 6x8" board. Same as an 74ls74
ic. 1" x .5"

Now it's Maryland
 

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 02:46:19 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 13:37:17 -0400,
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 10:23:23 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 1:06:07 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/25/2017 9:53 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 7:29:23 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2017 9:54 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:40:52 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/24/17 7:30 PM, wrote:


Here we go again. hehehehehe.

Another brain fart from Harry. I understand technical things are
beyond your comprehension but you don't need to be so proud of it.


I don't have any problems moving .jpg's to and fro. I know better than
to try to do so with my usenet provider in a "non-binary" newsgroup or
whatever was being tried that didn't work.

Oh, and I had more than 50 articles published in PC Week, PC Magazine,
BYTE and a few lesser pubs. I had a biweekly column in PC Week. Your
computer oriented technical articles consisted of...???

Uh huh. So If I go look at the archives of PC week or PC Mag I will
see a lot of "technical" articles from Harry Krause? We are not
talking about case styling and the feel of the keyboard are we?



They were probably letters to the editor.

In fairness, I remember reading something Harry wrote in some PC
magazine. He used to volunteer to do beta testing and provided feedback.

Yabut, he said he was published in BYTE. That was a highly technical
magazine written by very competent engineers. They published stuff
like schematics of computer circuits complete with timing diagrams
and sample code to perform complex functions. If true, they must have
needed some fluff filler piece because he doesn't have the
engineering chops to write anything that they would normally publish.


When it comes to computers, neither do I. :-)

I got a kick out of a visit from my younger son the other day. He
started a new job as a facilities manager for a company that uses
automatic, high volume packaging equipment. He took electronic
engineering courses when he attended MA Maritime but they only covered
digital logic circuits. They don't even teach theory anymore and vacuum
tubes, transistors, etc. are artifacts of ancient times.

One of the systems he's responsible for broke down due to a bad rotary
actuator. He was having a problem ordering a replacement because there
were two versions of it. One was a PNP type, the other a NPN. My son
had no clue what PNP or NPN meant. All he knew for sure was that they
had a magnet in them along with a small chip.

I explained he had a "Hall Effect" circuit and spent some time
explaining what PNP and NPN meant, drawing diagrams of transistors and
explaining what the base, emitter and collector were. Then I drew a
diagram of a vacuum tube with the cathode, screen grid and plate, while
explaining how it worked and the similarities in function to that of a
transistor that came later.

Now-a-days everything is on a chip the size of your little fingernail
and it probably contains a dozen or more and, or, nand or nor gates or
transistors used as gates.

It's worse than that. Those tiny little chips contain a whole lot more
than just gates. The days of building logic circuits using gates in
dedicated chips is pretty much gone. Now the vast majority is done
with programmable logic devices (PLDs) and their variants where you
just design the logic in an app and assign the inputs and outputs to
the pins, then program the chip to perform that operation. A complex
programmable logic device (CPLD) can contain 10's of thousand of logic
gates, and is programmed after being soldered on to the board with
serial data (usually JTAG) while in-circuit.


===

Amazing stuff, absolutely amazing. Electronics has come so far in my
lifetime that it has far surpassed anything I could have imagined. In
1957 I added a one transistor audio amplifier stage to a crystal set
that I had previously built as a cub scout. It worked surprisingly
well considering that it was built on a small 2x4 cutoff and had no
soldered connections. A friend of mine borrowed it and entered it in
a science fair without me knowing about it. He won 1st place

---

My start in this was a "kit" course when I was about 13-14. Every
month they sent you a bunch more parts and a book of things to try.
When you were all done you had an amplifier, a tuner and a few other
things that ended up being a regenerative AM radio among other things.
It was all done with 3 or 4 tubes. I used the amp long after I decided
a 5 bottle table radio was a whole lot better. I didn't really start
playing with transistors until I got to IBM although I knew a lot
about them from school.
As soon as I figured out IBM was scrapping the returns, they did not
get much back on the cards. I did learn what was failing on the card
tho because I was removing and testing components for my projects.
It saved us a few times because I was able to fix a card if we could
not get one right away.


In 1964 at NCR mainframe school, we were taught to trouble shoot the
boards. Were no IC's then, all transistors. We would trouble shoot the
boards during the night. 2 flip flops on a 6x8" board. Same as an 74ls74
ic. 1" x .5"

The last school I went to that talked about what was on the cards was
1401 support. The cards were actually made to be fixed and they had
test points on the outside edge of the card so you could scope the
bases of the transistors with the card installed. I was the only guy I
knew who ever fixed one.

Now it's Maryland
 

wrote:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 02:46:19 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 13:37:17 -0400,
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 10:23:23 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 1:06:07 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/25/2017 9:53 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 7:29:23 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2017 9:54 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:40:52 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/24/17 7:30 PM, wrote:


Here we go again. hehehehehe.

Another brain fart from Harry. I understand technical things are
beyond your comprehension but you don't need to be so proud of it.


I don't have any problems moving .jpg's to and fro. I know better than
to try to do so with my usenet provider in a "non-binary" newsgroup or
whatever was being tried that didn't work.

Oh, and I had more than 50 articles published in PC Week, PC Magazine,
BYTE and a few lesser pubs. I had a biweekly column in PC Week. Your
computer oriented technical articles consisted of...???

Uh huh. So If I go look at the archives of PC week or PC Mag I will
see a lot of "technical" articles from Harry Krause? We are not
talking about case styling and the feel of the keyboard are we?



They were probably letters to the editor.

In fairness, I remember reading something Harry wrote in some PC
magazine. He used to volunteer to do beta testing and provided feedback.

Yabut, he said he was published in BYTE. That was a highly technical
magazine written by very competent engineers. They published stuff
like schematics of computer circuits complete with timing diagrams
and sample code to perform complex functions. If true, they must have
needed some fluff filler piece because he doesn't have the
engineering chops to write anything that they would normally publish.


When it comes to computers, neither do I. :-)

I got a kick out of a visit from my younger son the other day. He
started a new job as a facilities manager for a company that uses
automatic, high volume packaging equipment. He took electronic
engineering courses when he attended MA Maritime but they only covered
digital logic circuits. They don't even teach theory anymore and vacuum
tubes, transistors, etc. are artifacts of ancient times.

One of the systems he's responsible for broke down due to a bad rotary
actuator. He was having a problem ordering a replacement because there
were two versions of it. One was a PNP type, the other a NPN. My son
had no clue what PNP or NPN meant. All he knew for sure was that they
had a magnet in them along with a small chip.

I explained he had a "Hall Effect" circuit and spent some time
explaining what PNP and NPN meant, drawing diagrams of transistors and
explaining what the base, emitter and collector were. Then I drew a
diagram of a vacuum tube with the cathode, screen grid and plate, while
explaining how it worked and the similarities in function to that of a
transistor that came later.

Now-a-days everything is on a chip the size of your little fingernail
and it probably contains a dozen or more and, or, nand or nor gates or
transistors used as gates.

It's worse than that. Those tiny little chips contain a whole lot more
than just gates. The days of building logic circuits using gates in
dedicated chips is pretty much gone. Now the vast majority is done
with programmable logic devices (PLDs) and their variants where you
just design the logic in an app and assign the inputs and outputs to
the pins, then program the chip to perform that operation. A complex
programmable logic device (CPLD) can contain 10's of thousand of logic
gates, and is programmed after being soldered on to the board with
serial data (usually JTAG) while in-circuit.


===

Amazing stuff, absolutely amazing. Electronics has come so far in my
lifetime that it has far surpassed anything I could have imagined. In
1957 I added a one transistor audio amplifier stage to a crystal set
that I had previously built as a cub scout. It worked surprisingly
well considering that it was built on a small 2x4 cutoff and had no
soldered connections. A friend of mine borrowed it and entered it in
a science fair without me knowing about it. He won 1st place

---

My start in this was a "kit" course when I was about 13-14. Every
month they sent you a bunch more parts and a book of things to try.
When you were all done you had an amplifier, a tuner and a few other
things that ended up being a regenerative AM radio among other things.
It was all done with 3 or 4 tubes. I used the amp long after I decided
a 5 bottle table radio was a whole lot better. I didn't really start
playing with transistors until I got to IBM although I knew a lot
about them from school.
As soon as I figured out IBM was scrapping the returns, they did not
get much back on the cards. I did learn what was failing on the card
tho because I was removing and testing components for my projects.
It saved us a few times because I was able to fix a card if we could
not get one right away.


In 1964 at NCR mainframe school, we were taught to trouble shoot the
boards. Were no IC's then, all transistors. We would trouble shoot the
boards during the night. 2 flip flops on a 6x8" board. Same as an 74ls74
ic. 1" x .5"

The last school I went to that talked about what was on the cards was
1401 support. The cards were actually made to be fixed and they had
test points on the outside edge of the card so you could scope the
bases of the transistors with the card installed. I was the only guy I
knew who ever fixed one.



We could scope them, but mostly used an ohm meter and checked the diodes
and transistors. The 315 RMC would get a random error and we would rattle
the boards looking for the broken leg. They used a water based cleaner
after the wave solder machine and the legs would corrode through.

Now it's Maryland
 

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 03:53:20 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 02:46:19 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 13:37:17 -0400,
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 10:23:23 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 1:06:07 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/25/2017 9:53 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 7:29:23 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2017 9:54 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:40:52 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/24/17 7:30 PM, wrote:


Here we go again. hehehehehe.

Another brain fart from Harry. I understand technical things are
beyond your comprehension but you don't need to be so proud of it.


I don't have any problems moving .jpg's to and fro. I know better than
to try to do so with my usenet provider in a "non-binary" newsgroup or
whatever was being tried that didn't work.

Oh, and I had more than 50 articles published in PC Week, PC Magazine,
BYTE and a few lesser pubs. I had a biweekly column in PC Week. Your
computer oriented technical articles consisted of...???

Uh huh. So If I go look at the archives of PC week or PC Mag I will
see a lot of "technical" articles from Harry Krause? We are not
talking about case styling and the feel of the keyboard are we?



They were probably letters to the editor.

In fairness, I remember reading something Harry wrote in some PC
magazine. He used to volunteer to do beta testing and provided feedback.

Yabut, he said he was published in BYTE. That was a highly technical
magazine written by very competent engineers. They published stuff
like schematics of computer circuits complete with timing diagrams
and sample code to perform complex functions. If true, they must have
needed some fluff filler piece because he doesn't have the
engineering chops to write anything that they would normally publish.


When it comes to computers, neither do I. :-)

I got a kick out of a visit from my younger son the other day. He
started a new job as a facilities manager for a company that uses
automatic, high volume packaging equipment. He took electronic
engineering courses when he attended MA Maritime but they only covered
digital logic circuits. They don't even teach theory anymore and vacuum
tubes, transistors, etc. are artifacts of ancient times.

One of the systems he's responsible for broke down due to a bad rotary
actuator. He was having a problem ordering a replacement because there
were two versions of it. One was a PNP type, the other a NPN. My son
had no clue what PNP or NPN meant. All he knew for sure was that they
had a magnet in them along with a small chip.

I explained he had a "Hall Effect" circuit and spent some time
explaining what PNP and NPN meant, drawing diagrams of transistors and
explaining what the base, emitter and collector were. Then I drew a
diagram of a vacuum tube with the cathode, screen grid and plate, while
explaining how it worked and the similarities in function to that of a
transistor that came later.

Now-a-days everything is on a chip the size of your little fingernail
and it probably contains a dozen or more and, or, nand or nor gates or
transistors used as gates.

It's worse than that. Those tiny little chips contain a whole lot more
than just gates. The days of building logic circuits using gates in
dedicated chips is pretty much gone. Now the vast majority is done
with programmable logic devices (PLDs) and their variants where you
just design the logic in an app and assign the inputs and outputs to
the pins, then program the chip to perform that operation. A complex
programmable logic device (CPLD) can contain 10's of thousand of logic
gates, and is programmed after being soldered on to the board with
serial data (usually JTAG) while in-circuit.


===

Amazing stuff, absolutely amazing. Electronics has come so far in my
lifetime that it has far surpassed anything I could have imagined. In
1957 I added a one transistor audio amplifier stage to a crystal set
that I had previously built as a cub scout. It worked surprisingly
well considering that it was built on a small 2x4 cutoff and had no
soldered connections. A friend of mine borrowed it and entered it in
a science fair without me knowing about it. He won 1st place

---

My start in this was a "kit" course when I was about 13-14. Every
month they sent you a bunch more parts and a book of things to try.
When you were all done you had an amplifier, a tuner and a few other
things that ended up being a regenerative AM radio among other things.
It was all done with 3 or 4 tubes. I used the amp long after I decided
a 5 bottle table radio was a whole lot better. I didn't really start
playing with transistors until I got to IBM although I knew a lot
about them from school.
As soon as I figured out IBM was scrapping the returns, they did not
get much back on the cards. I did learn what was failing on the card
tho because I was removing and testing components for my projects.
It saved us a few times because I was able to fix a card if we could
not get one right away.


In 1964 at NCR mainframe school, we were taught to trouble shoot the
boards. Were no IC's then, all transistors. We would trouble shoot the
boards during the night. 2 flip flops on a 6x8" board. Same as an 74ls74
ic. 1" x .5"

The last school I went to that talked about what was on the cards was
1401 support. The cards were actually made to be fixed and they had
test points on the outside edge of the card so you could scope the
bases of the transistors with the card installed. I was the only guy I
knew who ever fixed one.



We could scope them, but mostly used an ohm meter and checked the diodes
and transistors. The 315 RMC would get a random error and we would rattle
the boards looking for the broken leg. They used a water based cleaner
after the wave solder machine and the legs would corrode through.

We used a scope for just about everything. I was not really convinced
checking with a meter was anything like watching the circuit in
operation and figuring out why it wasn't. Some time the fault was just
that it was switching slow and you had a ramp, not a cliff or just not
a full level shift. That can give you all sorts of intermittent
failures.

Now it's Maryland
 

On 8/25/17 12:50 PM, wrote:

Our friend Harree was never anywhere close to being on the same
technical level as their regular contributors, and frankly I never
remember seeing his name even though I was a regular reader.

---


Never claimed I was. Oh, I visited Citibank headquarters at least twice
when my one Detroit clients was being purchased...no one mentioned your
name. Of course, we were dealing with line executives, not staff pukes.

Now it's Maryland
 

On 8/26/17 1:08 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 03:53:20 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 02:46:19 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 13:37:17 -0400,
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 10:23:23 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 1:06:07 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/25/2017 9:53 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 7:29:23 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2017 9:54 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:40:52 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/24/17 7:30 PM, wrote:


Here we go again. hehehehehe.

Another brain fart from Harry. I understand technical things are
beyond your comprehension but you don't need to be so proud of it.


I don't have any problems moving .jpg's to and fro. I know better than
to try to do so with my usenet provider in a "non-binary" newsgroup or
whatever was being tried that didn't work.

Oh, and I had more than 50 articles published in PC Week, PC Magazine,
BYTE and a few lesser pubs. I had a biweekly column in PC Week. Your
computer oriented technical articles consisted of...???

Uh huh. So If I go look at the archives of PC week or PC Mag I will
see a lot of "technical" articles from Harry Krause? We are not
talking about case styling and the feel of the keyboard are we?



They were probably letters to the editor.

In fairness, I remember reading something Harry wrote in some PC
magazine. He used to volunteer to do beta testing and provided feedback.

Yabut, he said he was published in BYTE. That was a highly technical
magazine written by very competent engineers. They published stuff
like schematics of computer circuits complete with timing diagrams
and sample code to perform complex functions. If true, they must have
needed some fluff filler piece because he doesn't have the
engineering chops to write anything that they would normally publish.


When it comes to computers, neither do I. :-)

I got a kick out of a visit from my younger son the other day. He
started a new job as a facilities manager for a company that uses
automatic, high volume packaging equipment. He took electronic
engineering courses when he attended MA Maritime but they only covered
digital logic circuits. They don't even teach theory anymore and vacuum
tubes, transistors, etc. are artifacts of ancient times.

One of the systems he's responsible for broke down due to a bad rotary
actuator. He was having a problem ordering a replacement because there
were two versions of it. One was a PNP type, the other a NPN. My son
had no clue what PNP or NPN meant. All he knew for sure was that they
had a magnet in them along with a small chip.

I explained he had a "Hall Effect" circuit and spent some time
explaining what PNP and NPN meant, drawing diagrams of transistors and
explaining what the base, emitter and collector were. Then I drew a
diagram of a vacuum tube with the cathode, screen grid and plate, while
explaining how it worked and the similarities in function to that of a
transistor that came later.

Now-a-days everything is on a chip the size of your little fingernail
and it probably contains a dozen or more and, or, nand or nor gates or
transistors used as gates.

It's worse than that. Those tiny little chips contain a whole lot more
than just gates. The days of building logic circuits using gates in
dedicated chips is pretty much gone. Now the vast majority is done
with programmable logic devices (PLDs) and their variants where you
just design the logic in an app and assign the inputs and outputs to
the pins, then program the chip to perform that operation. A complex
programmable logic device (CPLD) can contain 10's of thousand of logic
gates, and is programmed after being soldered on to the board with
serial data (usually JTAG) while in-circuit.


===

Amazing stuff, absolutely amazing. Electronics has come so far in my
lifetime that it has far surpassed anything I could have imagined. In
1957 I added a one transistor audio amplifier stage to a crystal set
that I had previously built as a cub scout. It worked surprisingly
well considering that it was built on a small 2x4 cutoff and had no
soldered connections. A friend of mine borrowed it and entered it in
a science fair without me knowing about it. He won 1st place

---

My start in this was a "kit" course when I was about 13-14. Every
month they sent you a bunch more parts and a book of things to try.
When you were all done you had an amplifier, a tuner and a few other
things that ended up being a regenerative AM radio among other things.
It was all done with 3 or 4 tubes. I used the amp long after I decided
a 5 bottle table radio was a whole lot better. I didn't really start
playing with transistors until I got to IBM although I knew a lot
about them from school.
As soon as I figured out IBM was scrapping the returns, they did not
get much back on the cards. I did learn what was failing on the card
tho because I was removing and testing components for my projects.
It saved us a few times because I was able to fix a card if we could
not get one right away.


In 1964 at NCR mainframe school, we were taught to trouble shoot the
boards. Were no IC's then, all transistors. We would trouble shoot the
boards during the night. 2 flip flops on a 6x8" board. Same as an 74ls74
ic. 1" x .5"

The last school I went to that talked about what was on the cards was
1401 support. The cards were actually made to be fixed and they had
test points on the outside edge of the card so you could scope the
bases of the transistors with the card installed. I was the only guy I
knew who ever fixed one.



We could scope them, but mostly used an ohm meter and checked the diodes
and transistors. The 315 RMC would get a random error and we would rattle
the boards looking for the broken leg. They used a water based cleaner
after the wave solder machine and the legs would corrode through.

We used a scope for just about everything. I was not really convinced
checking with a meter was anything like watching the circuit in
operation and figuring out why it wasn't. Some time the fault was just
that it was switching slow and you had a ramp, not a cliff or just not
a full level shift. That can give you all sorts of intermittent
failures.


You old farts ought to get together and discuss spark coils.

Now it's Maryland
 

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 08:32:38 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You old farts ought to get together and discuss spark coils.

===

Most of us are younger than you. You might want to use some spark
cioil treatments for your cranial swelling issue.

---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
http://www.avg.com

Now it's Maryland
 

On 8/26/17 9:19 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 08:32:38 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You old farts ought to get together and discuss spark coils.

===

Most of us are younger than you. You might want to use some spark
cioil treatments for your cranial swelling issue.




Gee, W'hine...didn't you build an atomic cloud chamber for your 7th
grade science project? I did. A Model A spark coil was a necessity.

Now it's Maryland
 

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 08:32:38 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/26/17 1:08 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 03:53:20 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 02:46:19 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 13:37:17 -0400,
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 10:23:23 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 1:06:07 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/25/2017 9:53 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 7:29:23 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2017 9:54 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:40:52 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/24/17 7:30 PM, wrote:


Here we go again. hehehehehe.

Another brain fart from Harry. I understand technical things are
beyond your comprehension but you don't need to be so proud of it.


I don't have any problems moving .jpg's to and fro. I know better than
to try to do so with my usenet provider in a "non-binary" newsgroup or
whatever was being tried that didn't work.

Oh, and I had more than 50 articles published in PC Week, PC Magazine,
BYTE and a few lesser pubs. I had a biweekly column in PC Week. Your
computer oriented technical articles consisted of...???

Uh huh. So If I go look at the archives of PC week or PC Mag I will
see a lot of "technical" articles from Harry Krause? We are not
talking about case styling and the feel of the keyboard are we?



They were probably letters to the editor.

In fairness, I remember reading something Harry wrote in some PC
magazine. He used to volunteer to do beta testing and provided feedback.

Yabut, he said he was published in BYTE. That was a highly technical
magazine written by very competent engineers. They published stuff
like schematics of computer circuits complete with timing diagrams
and sample code to perform complex functions. If true, they must have
needed some fluff filler piece because he doesn't have the
engineering chops to write anything that they would normally publish.


When it comes to computers, neither do I. :-)

I got a kick out of a visit from my younger son the other day. He
started a new job as a facilities manager for a company that uses
automatic, high volume packaging equipment. He took electronic
engineering courses when he attended MA Maritime but they only covered
digital logic circuits. They don't even teach theory anymore and vacuum
tubes, transistors, etc. are artifacts of ancient times.

One of the systems he's responsible for broke down due to a bad rotary
actuator. He was having a problem ordering a replacement because there
were two versions of it. One was a PNP type, the other a NPN. My son
had no clue what PNP or NPN meant. All he knew for sure was that they
had a magnet in them along with a small chip.

I explained he had a "Hall Effect" circuit and spent some time
explaining what PNP and NPN meant, drawing diagrams of transistors and
explaining what the base, emitter and collector were. Then I drew a
diagram of a vacuum tube with the cathode, screen grid and plate, while
explaining how it worked and the similarities in function to that of a
transistor that came later.

Now-a-days everything is on a chip the size of your little fingernail
and it probably contains a dozen or more and, or, nand or nor gates or
transistors used as gates.

It's worse than that. Those tiny little chips contain a whole lot more
than just gates. The days of building logic circuits using gates in
dedicated chips is pretty much gone. Now the vast majority is done
with programmable logic devices (PLDs) and their variants where you
just design the logic in an app and assign the inputs and outputs to
the pins, then program the chip to perform that operation. A complex
programmable logic device (CPLD) can contain 10's of thousand of logic
gates, and is programmed after being soldered on to the board with
serial data (usually JTAG) while in-circuit.


===

Amazing stuff, absolutely amazing. Electronics has come so far in my
lifetime that it has far surpassed anything I could have imagined. In
1957 I added a one transistor audio amplifier stage to a crystal set
that I had previously built as a cub scout. It worked surprisingly
well considering that it was built on a small 2x4 cutoff and had no
soldered connections. A friend of mine borrowed it and entered it in
a science fair without me knowing about it. He won 1st place

---

My start in this was a "kit" course when I was about 13-14. Every
month they sent you a bunch more parts and a book of things to try.
When you were all done you had an amplifier, a tuner and a few other
things that ended up being a regenerative AM radio among other things.
It was all done with 3 or 4 tubes. I used the amp long after I decided
a 5 bottle table radio was a whole lot better. I didn't really start
playing with transistors until I got to IBM although I knew a lot
about them from school.
As soon as I figured out IBM was scrapping the returns, they did not
get much back on the cards. I did learn what was failing on the card
tho because I was removing and testing components for my projects.
It saved us a few times because I was able to fix a card if we could
not get one right away.


In 1964 at NCR mainframe school, we were taught to trouble shoot the
boards. Were no IC's then, all transistors. We would trouble shoot the
boards during the night. 2 flip flops on a 6x8" board. Same as an 74ls74
ic. 1" x .5"

The last school I went to that talked about what was on the cards was
1401 support. The cards were actually made to be fixed and they had
test points on the outside edge of the card so you could scope the
bases of the transistors with the card installed. I was the only guy I
knew who ever fixed one.



We could scope them, but mostly used an ohm meter and checked the diodes
and transistors. The 315 RMC would get a random error and we would rattle
the boards looking for the broken leg. They used a water based cleaner
after the wave solder machine and the legs would corrode through.

We used a scope for just about everything. I was not really convinced
checking with a meter was anything like watching the circuit in
operation and figuring out why it wasn't. Some time the fault was just
that it was switching slow and you had a ramp, not a cliff or just not
a full level shift. That can give you all sorts of intermittent
failures.


You old farts ought to get together and discuss spark coils.

It would be more interesting than listening to you talk about all of
the people you fetched coffee for in your newspaper days or the ad
copy you have written.

Now it's Maryland
 

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 08:31:50 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/25/17 12:50 PM, wrote:

Our friend Harree was never anywhere close to being on the same
technical level as their regular contributors, and frankly I never
remember seeing his name even though I was a regular reader.

---


Never claimed I was. Oh, I visited Citibank headquarters at least twice
when my one Detroit clients was being purchased...no one mentioned your
name. Of course, we were dealing with line executives, not staff pukes.

So you hung out with the people you call the crooks and never met any
actual working people.

Now it's Maryland
 

On 8/26/17 11:03 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 08:31:50 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/25/17 12:50 PM, wrote:

Our friend Harree was never anywhere close to being on the same
technical level as their regular contributors, and frankly I never
remember seeing his name even though I was a regular reader.

---


Never claimed I was. Oh, I visited Citibank headquarters at least twice
when my one Detroit clients was being purchased...no one mentioned your
name. Of course, we were dealing with line executives, not staff pukes.

So you hung out with the people you call the crooks and never met any
actual working people.



In those days, Citicorp was run by a liberal arts grad who first noticed
my client because of well-received statistical analyses and reports of
U.S. housing and commercial markets we published for the client.
Everyone associated with researching, compiling, and writing the
narratives was a liberal arts grad. The bank bought the client for $29 a
share in 1970 or so when it was trading OTC for $5 a share. Even I was
able to make a few bucks on the sale.

Citicorp later had to divest itself of the client for antitrust reasons.

Now it's Maryland
 

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 11:03:29 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 08:31:50 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/25/17 12:50 PM, wrote:

Our friend Harree was never anywhere close to being on the same
technical level as their regular contributors, and frankly I never
remember seeing his name even though I was a regular reader.

---


Never claimed I was. Oh, I visited Citibank headquarters at least twice
when my one Detroit clients was being purchased...no one mentioned your
name. Of course, we were dealing with line executives, not staff pukes.

So you hung out with the people you call the crooks and never met any
actual working people.


===

Yes, funny stuff. And of course those of us in IT management and
engineering never regarded ourselves as being "staff pukes," more like
the operational back bone of the industry.

---
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 10:44:36 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/26/17 9:19 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 08:32:38 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You old farts ought to get together and discuss spark coils.

===

Most of us are younger than you. You might want to use some spark
cioil treatments for your cranial swelling issue.




Gee, W'hine...didn't you build an atomic cloud chamber for your 7th
grade science project? I did. A Model A spark coil was a necessity.


===

That "cloud chamber" demonstration was old stuff from the 1930s when
you were in 7th grade. Tranistors however were leading edge.

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On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 10:44:36 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 8/26/17 9:19 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 08:32:38 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You old farts ought to get together and discuss spark coils.

===

Most of us are younger than you. You might want to use some spark
cioil treatments for your cranial swelling issue.




Gee, W'hine...didn't you build an atomic cloud chamber for your 7th
grade science project? I did. A Model A spark coil was a necessity.

Well of course. No one doubts your science projects won first place every single time.

Now it's Maryland
 

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 11:31:40 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

In those days, Citicorp was run by a liberal arts grad

===

That would be either John Reed or Walter Wriston, bull**** on either.
Reed had an MBA from MIT, and Wriston had a Masters from Tufts'
Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy.

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On 8/26/17 12:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 11:31:40 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

In those days, Citicorp was run by a liberal arts grad

===

That would be either John Reed or Walter Wriston, bull**** on either.
Reed had an MBA from MIT, and Wriston had a Masters from Tufts'
Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy.

---

Wriston had a B.A. from Wesleyan University in Middletown, CT. And
wasn't it an M.A. from Tufts? Liberal arts grad.