On 8/16/2017 6:52 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 06:46:59 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 8/16/17 5:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/15/2017 11:12 PM, RGrew176 wrote:
On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 5:31:55 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/15/2017 5:16 PM, RGrew176 wrote:
Whatever you do do not give them a credit card number or they will
renew your service at the full going rate.

When I first got the service I told them I did not have any credit
cards and they would have to invoice me. Has worked well since.



Good advice. Some of these services are almost impossible to cancel. I
noticed on the last email they sent me to sign up there was an option
for credit card or invoice for the payment. I'll opt for the invoice.
That way, if I don't want to renew in a year, I'll just ignore it.

One other thing you need to know if you go the invoice route. Sirius
will not stop service when the contract is up. They will let it go on
as you accrue costs to them. In my case I marked on the calendar when
my current subscription ends. Mine ends on November 16th. I will be
calling them about a week prior to either extend if I get a price I
like or end the service.



I noted on the latest offer that you have to call them to cancel. I
suppose you are put on hold for an hour and then have to listen to a
sales pitch to keep your account.


Are you out of range of all the great FM stations in the Boston area,
including the non-commercial ones? I'm really at a loss to figure out
why SIRIUS is popular, especially since you have to pay for it and FM
radio is free to the listener. And I'm sure you have a iPod or iPhone or
similar device on which you can store the music you like. I have 20GB of
music on mine, about 4000 "songs," including all nine of Beethoven's
symphonies in orchestral and piano versions, a lot of Mozart, Schubert,
all sorts of folk and rock, even a little (forgive me) bluegrass. So,
what's the deal with SIRIUS?

If you had it, you'd understand.

We understand you have more and better than anyone else. We're just willing to settle for a bit less
than the absolute finest of anything available, which you already possess.

How're those twin Volvo diesels running, eh Krause?


I am out of range of any HD FM stations unless I am traveling somewhere
which isn't very often. I have little or no interest in spending the
time to copy and store gigs upon gigs of music on any kind of drive,
including my cell phone. In the past I've learned that I only listen to
my favorites most of the time anyway.

I have a USB powered hard drive that some friends put together for my
birthday that has just about every group, band and song ever recorded. I
think it's a 200 Gig drive and it's just about full. I listen to it
once in a great while.

I like Sirius mainly due to the variety of programing it offers. I can
listen to music from just about any decade or style of interest, talk
shows, baseball games, football and some comedy channels. It even has
the audio of MSNBC, CNN and FoxNews if you get the itch to tune in.

It offers variety which is what I like.

On 8/16/17 7:23 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/16/2017 6:52 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 06:46:59 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 8/16/17 5:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/15/2017 11:12 PM, RGrew176 wrote:
On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 5:31:55 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/15/2017 5:16 PM, RGrew176 wrote:
Whatever you do do not give them a credit card number or they will
renew your service at the full going rate.

When I first got the service I told them I did not have any credit
cards and they would have to invoice me. Has worked well since.



Good advice. Some of these services are almost impossible to
cancel. I
noticed on the last email they sent me to sign up there was an option
for credit card or invoice for the payment. I'll opt for the
invoice.
That way, if I don't want to renew in a year, I'll just ignore it.

One other thing you need to know if you go the invoice route. Sirius
will not stop service when the contract is up. They will let it go on
as you accrue costs to them. In my case I marked on the calendar when
my current subscription ends. Mine ends on November 16th. I will be
calling them about a week prior to either extend if I get a price I
like or end the service.



I noted on the latest offer that you have to call them to cancel. I
suppose you are put on hold for an hour and then have to listen to a
sales pitch to keep your account.


Are you out of range of all the great FM stations in the Boston area,
including the non-commercial ones? I'm really at a loss to figure out
why SIRIUS is popular, especially since you have to pay for it and FM
radio is free to the listener. And I'm sure you have a iPod or iPhone or
similar device on which you can store the music you like. I have 20GB of
music on mine, about 4000 "songs," including all nine of Beethoven's
symphonies in orchestral and piano versions, a lot of Mozart, Schubert,
all sorts of folk and rock, even a little (forgive me) bluegrass. So,
what's the deal with SIRIUS?

If you had it, you'd understand.

We understand you have more and better than anyone else. We're just
willing to settle for a bit less
than the absolute finest of anything available, which you already
possess.

How're those twin Volvo diesels running, eh Krause?


I am out of range of any HD FM stations unless I am traveling somewhere
which isn't very often. I have little or no interest in spending the
time to copy and store gigs upon gigs of music on any kind of drive,
including my cell phone. In the past I've learned that I only listen to
my favorites most of the time anyway.

I have a USB powered hard drive that some friends put together for my
birthday that has just about every group, band and song ever recorded. I
think it's a 200 Gig drive and it's just about full. I listen to it
once in a great while.

I like Sirius mainly due to the variety of programing it offers. I can
listen to music from just about any decade or style of interest, talk
shows, baseball games, football and some comedy channels. It even has
the audio of MSNBC, CNN and FoxNews if you get the itch to tune in.

It offers variety which is what I like.



OK. We get a few HD stations out of DC and Baltimore, and that works for
me. We got the same SIRIUS freebies with the truck and car, and I tried
it for a while and found nothing that interested me enough to want to
pay for the service, especially with two pretty good HD classical
stations within earshot. I don't watch much cable news on TV, so I don't
think listening to the audio feed in my car would do much for me.

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 07:23:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 8/16/2017 6:52 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 06:46:59 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 8/16/17 5:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/15/2017 11:12 PM, RGrew176 wrote:
On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 5:31:55 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/15/2017 5:16 PM, RGrew176 wrote:
Whatever you do do not give them a credit card number or they will
renew your service at the full going rate.

When I first got the service I told them I did not have any credit
cards and they would have to invoice me. Has worked well since.



Good advice. Some of these services are almost impossible to cancel. I
noticed on the last email they sent me to sign up there was an option
for credit card or invoice for the payment. I'll opt for the invoice.
That way, if I don't want to renew in a year, I'll just ignore it.

One other thing you need to know if you go the invoice route. Sirius
will not stop service when the contract is up. They will let it go on
as you accrue costs to them. In my case I marked on the calendar when
my current subscription ends. Mine ends on November 16th. I will be
calling them about a week prior to either extend if I get a price I
like or end the service.



I noted on the latest offer that you have to call them to cancel. I
suppose you are put on hold for an hour and then have to listen to a
sales pitch to keep your account.


Are you out of range of all the great FM stations in the Boston area,
including the non-commercial ones? I'm really at a loss to figure out
why SIRIUS is popular, especially since you have to pay for it and FM
radio is free to the listener. And I'm sure you have a iPod or iPhone or
similar device on which you can store the music you like. I have 20GB of
music on mine, about 4000 "songs," including all nine of Beethoven's
symphonies in orchestral and piano versions, a lot of Mozart, Schubert,
all sorts of folk and rock, even a little (forgive me) bluegrass. So,
what's the deal with SIRIUS?

If you had it, you'd understand.

We understand you have more and better than anyone else. We're just willing to settle for a bit less
than the absolute finest of anything available, which you already possess.

How're those twin Volvo diesels running, eh Krause?


I am out of range of any HD FM stations unless I am traveling somewhere
which isn't very often. I have little or no interest in spending the
time to copy and store gigs upon gigs of music on any kind of drive,
including my cell phone. In the past I've learned that I only listen to
my favorites most of the time anyway.

I have a USB powered hard drive that some friends put together for my
birthday that has just about every group, band and song ever recorded. I
think it's a 200 Gig drive and it's just about full. I listen to it
once in a great while.

I like Sirius mainly due to the variety of programing it offers. I can
listen to music from just about any decade or style of interest, talk
shows, baseball games, football and some comedy channels. It even has
the audio of MSNBC, CNN and FoxNews if you get the itch to tune in.

It offers variety which is what I like.


Yesterday I came back from Gettysburg, about 100 miles. It wasn't until I got within about 80 miles
that I could pick up the FM news station I listen to regularly broadcasting from DC. It's for damn
sure I couldn't get any Boston FM stations, like, I'm sure, Harry does.

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 09:58:37 -0400, John H
wrote:

Yesterday I came back from Gettysburg, about 100 miles. It wasn't until I got within about 80 miles
that I could pick up the FM news station I listen to regularly broadcasting from DC. It's for damn
sure I couldn't get any Boston FM stations, like, I'm sure, Harry does.

FM is pretty much line of sight. I know that even here in Florida
where there are no real hills FM is tough. On a clear night I can get
the FM station out of Marathon (Fl Keys) but that is across the water
about 100 miles. I start losing the Tampa stations and FT Myers
stations about 70 miles away. There is a dead zone around Venice where
I don't get either of them.
Now if you are talking AM, the clear channel 50KW stations can be
heard 1000 miles away at night. There used to only be a handful of
them but the last time I looked there are a **** load of them. I guess
as AM popularity faded, they started allowing more big ones.
Unfortunately it seems most AM is either sports, news or Spanish.

On 8/16/2017 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 09:58:37 -0400, John H
wrote:

Yesterday I came back from Gettysburg, about 100 miles. It wasn't until I got within about 80 miles
that I could pick up the FM news station I listen to regularly broadcasting from DC. It's for damn
sure I couldn't get any Boston FM stations, like, I'm sure, Harry does.

FM is pretty much line of sight. I know that even here in Florida
where there are no real hills FM is tough. On a clear night I can get
the FM station out of Marathon (Fl Keys) but that is across the water
about 100 miles. I start losing the Tampa stations and FT Myers
stations about 70 miles away. There is a dead zone around Venice where
I don't get either of them.
Now if you are talking AM, the clear channel 50KW stations can be
heard 1000 miles away at night. There used to only be a handful of
them but the last time I looked there are a **** load of them. I guess
as AM popularity faded, they started allowing more big ones.
Unfortunately it seems most AM is either sports, news or Spanish.


HD FM range is much less than regular FM.

WBZ in Boston is one of the original clear channel stations. I picked
it up in Denver Colorado at night. Obviously skip.

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 12:46:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

FM is pretty much line of sight. I know that even here in Florida
where there are no real hills FM is tough. On a clear night I can get
the FM station out of Marathon (Fl Keys) but that is across the water
about 100 miles. I start losing the Tampa stations and FT Myers
stations about 70 miles away. There is a dead zone around Venice where
I don't get either of them.
Now if you are talking AM, the clear channel 50KW stations can be
heard 1000 miles away at night. There used to only be a handful of
them but the last time I looked there are a **** load of them. I guess
as AM popularity faded, they started allowing more big ones.
Unfortunately it seems most AM is either sports, news or Spanish.


HD FM range is much less than regular FM.

WBZ in Boston is one of the original clear channel stations. I picked
it up in Denver Colorado at night. Obviously skip.


We were AM DXers when I was a kid ... sort of. I had a 100' long wire
antenna out back, connected to a 5 bottle radio and we could pick up
WLS WBZ and WOWO just about every night. There were only about 5 or 6
clear channel stations then and the ones out west were usually not
available to us. I got started after being in Lake of the Ozarks with
the Teamsters and being introduced to Dick Biondi by the locals. I was
thrilled to get him on my radio in DC. I have picked WLS in my car
driving down I-95 in the middle of the night but it was far from 5X5.

wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 12:46:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

FM is pretty much line of sight. I know that even here in Florida
where there are no real hills FM is tough. On a clear night I can get
the FM station out of Marathon (Fl Keys) but that is across the water
about 100 miles. I start losing the Tampa stations and FT Myers
stations about 70 miles away. There is a dead zone around Venice where
I don't get either of them.
Now if you are talking AM, the clear channel 50KW stations can be
heard 1000 miles away at night. There used to only be a handful of
them but the last time I looked there are a **** load of them. I guess
as AM popularity faded, they started allowing more big ones.
Unfortunately it seems most AM is either sports, news or Spanish.


HD FM range is much less than regular FM.

WBZ in Boston is one of the original clear channel stations. I picked
it up in Denver Colorado at night. Obviously skip.


We were AM DXers when I was a kid ... sort of. I had a 100' long wire
antenna out back, connected to a 5 bottle radio and we could pick up
WLS WBZ and WOWO just about every night. There were only about 5 or 6
clear channel stations then and the ones out west were usually not
available to us. I got started after being in Lake of the Ozarks with
the Teamsters and being introduced to Dick Biondi by the locals. I was
thrilled to get him on my radio in DC. I have picked WLS in my car
driving down I-95 in the middle of the night but it was far from 5X5.


Longest distance I got, was coming back from Keesler AFB and going over
Donner Pass, got the New Orleans AM station that was on my presets. Came
in very well.

On Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 3:05:51 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 12:46:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

FM is pretty much line of sight. I know that even here in Florida
where there are no real hills FM is tough. On a clear night I can get
the FM station out of Marathon (Fl Keys) but that is across the water
about 100 miles. I start losing the Tampa stations and FT Myers
stations about 70 miles away. There is a dead zone around Venice where
I don't get either of them.
Now if you are talking AM, the clear channel 50KW stations can be
heard 1000 miles away at night. There used to only be a handful of
them but the last time I looked there are a **** load of them. I guess
as AM popularity faded, they started allowing more big ones.
Unfortunately it seems most AM is either sports, news or Spanish.


HD FM range is much less than regular FM.

WBZ in Boston is one of the original clear channel stations. I picked
it up in Denver Colorado at night. Obviously skip.


We were AM DXers when I was a kid ... sort of. I had a 100' long wire
antenna out back, connected to a 5 bottle radio and we could pick up
WLS WBZ and WOWO just about every night. There were only about 5 or 6
clear channel stations then and the ones out west were usually not
available to us. I got started after being in Lake of the Ozarks with
the Teamsters and being introduced to Dick Biondi by the locals. I was
thrilled to get him on my radio in DC. I have picked WLS in my car
driving down I-95 in the middle of the night but it was far from 5X5.

I used to get WLS in SC at night. Conditions had to be right.

Years ago I had the biggest TV antenna Channel Master made on a rotor at the top of a ~30ft pole. After midnight I could turn it towards Atlanta and pick up WKLS 96 Rock and it was listenable. That was nearly 200 miles away.

On 8/16/17 4:17 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 3:05:51 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 12:46:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

FM is pretty much line of sight. I know that even here in Florida
where there are no real hills FM is tough. On a clear night I can get
the FM station out of Marathon (Fl Keys) but that is across the water
about 100 miles. I start losing the Tampa stations and FT Myers
stations about 70 miles away. There is a dead zone around Venice where
I don't get either of them.
Now if you are talking AM, the clear channel 50KW stations can be
heard 1000 miles away at night. There used to only be a handful of
them but the last time I looked there are a **** load of them. I guess
as AM popularity faded, they started allowing more big ones.
Unfortunately it seems most AM is either sports, news or Spanish.


HD FM range is much less than regular FM.

WBZ in Boston is one of the original clear channel stations. I picked
it up in Denver Colorado at night. Obviously skip.


We were AM DXers when I was a kid ... sort of. I had a 100' long wire
antenna out back, connected to a 5 bottle radio and we could pick up
WLS WBZ and WOWO just about every night. There were only about 5 or 6
clear channel stations then and the ones out west were usually not
available to us. I got started after being in Lake of the Ozarks with
the Teamsters and being introduced to Dick Biondi by the locals. I was
thrilled to get him on my radio in DC. I have picked WLS in my car
driving down I-95 in the middle of the night but it was far from 5X5.

I used to get WLS in SC at night. Conditions had to be right.

Years ago I had the biggest TV antenna Channel Master made on a rotor at the top of a ~30ft pole. After midnight I could turn it towards Atlanta and pick up WKLS 96 Rock and it was listenable. That was nearly 200 miles away.


When I was growing up in New Haven, we had Channel 8, WNHC, the local
ABC affiliate. If you wanted more than that, you had a switch on the
back of your TV to switch to another antenna that was aimed towards New
York City, from which you could get very good reception of New York
stations, including Channel 2 (CBS), Channel 4 (NBC) Channel 5 (Dumont),
Channel 7 (ABC), Channel 9 (WOR), Channel 11 (WPIX) and Channel 13
(forget the affiliation). Channel 3 was a Hartford station and CBS
affiliate.

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 13:17:13 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote:

On Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 3:05:51 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 12:46:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

FM is pretty much line of sight. I know that even here in Florida
where there are no real hills FM is tough. On a clear night I can get
the FM station out of Marathon (Fl Keys) but that is across the water
about 100 miles. I start losing the Tampa stations and FT Myers
stations about 70 miles away. There is a dead zone around Venice where
I don't get either of them.
Now if you are talking AM, the clear channel 50KW stations can be
heard 1000 miles away at night. There used to only be a handful of
them but the last time I looked there are a **** load of them. I guess
as AM popularity faded, they started allowing more big ones.
Unfortunately it seems most AM is either sports, news or Spanish.


HD FM range is much less than regular FM.

WBZ in Boston is one of the original clear channel stations. I picked
it up in Denver Colorado at night. Obviously skip.


We were AM DXers when I was a kid ... sort of. I had a 100' long wire
antenna out back, connected to a 5 bottle radio and we could pick up
WLS WBZ and WOWO just about every night. There were only about 5 or 6
clear channel stations then and the ones out west were usually not
available to us. I got started after being in Lake of the Ozarks with
the Teamsters and being introduced to Dick Biondi by the locals. I was
thrilled to get him on my radio in DC. I have picked WLS in my car
driving down I-95 in the middle of the night but it was far from 5X5.

I used to get WLS in SC at night. Conditions had to be right.

Years ago I had the biggest TV antenna Channel Master made on a rotor at the top of a ~30ft pole. After midnight I could turn it towards Atlanta and pick up WKLS 96 Rock and it was listenable. That was nearly 200 miles away.

'WLS, in Chicago' was 'the' station when I was in high school, in Sedalia, MO.