On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 16:52:51 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/16/2017 3:30 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 12:56:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/16/2017 11:11 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 07:23:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I have a USB powered hard drive that some friends put together for my
birthday that has just about every group, band and song ever recorded. I
think it's a 200 Gig drive and it's just about full. I listen to it
once in a great while.
I really have a hard time wrapping my head around this. I have a
little over 30 gig of music and that is more than 6000 songs. That
includes some I have never and probably never will hear. I can't
imagine what you could have that gets you up to 200 gig and that you
have actually listened to 40,000 songs. That is about 200,000 minutes
of music. (3300 hours). If you started playing that list it would take
4 1/2 months going 24/7.
I hope you have clipped out much smaller subsets of this catalog to
make it useful.
How do you manage a list like this?
It does make you and Harry much more prolific pirates than me and I
thought I was Black Beard. (mostly gray now) ;-)



The songs on the hard drive is a collection that my luthier/lawyer
friend has been putting together all his mature life. He played in a
garage band in the mid-sixties and his group had a "hit" that made it to
number 80 on the charts. Name of the band was "The Nightcrawlers" from
Daytona Beach, FL.

He has them all arranged in folders by band/group with at least one
album ... often several for each. Starts with 40's Big Band stuff, the
50's, 60's and 70's where it sorta dies off although there are some from
the 80's. I don't think I've listened to 10 or 20 percent of what's on
the disk. It's fun to browse through it though and find songs I haven't
heard in years. Some are fairly rare recordings that never made the charts.

Once in a while I'll hook it up to my computer (used to use the little
XP machine I've mentioned) and create a playlist from the drive.

It may be worth getting a thumb drive, 8g is usually plenty and
putting your favorites out there. Plug that into your car player and
you may never turn the radio on again.


I've been meaning to try plugging in the hard drive my lawyer friend
gave me into one of the USB ports in the Canyon. I don't know if it
will work or how it will be displayed on the truck's screen (assuming it
will).


===

Not sure but I'd guess the USB ports are jusr for charging cell phones
and the like. Owner's manual would tell you if they could be used as
an aux source. Most new vehicles can be linked to your phone via Blue
Tooth and you can play music that way. Some older cars have a 3mm aux
jack hidden away somewhere - my wife's M-B has one in the glove
compartment. If you don't want to store MP3s on your phone you can
always bring up Pandora for free - much better choices and audio
quality than Sirius/XM in my opinion.

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On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 15:34:43 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/16/17 3:33 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 13:20:06 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 10:52:11 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

I don't mind the commercials if I am listening to a commercial radio or
TV station...the commercials pay the bills. Without advertising, every
piece of 20-year-old stuff you own would have been more expensive.

Bull****.
If you compare the price of heavily advertised products to products
that seldom advertise, the advertised product is always more. Someone
needs to pay for those ads and it is not like we would stop using
toilet paper if they did't have that bear on TV telling us to.
Another example is beer. Most people could not tell the difference
between Budweiser and Busch if it was served in a glass. Both come
from the same brewery, using essentially the same ingredients but the
Bud is a couple bucks more expensive, because of that frog.


Sell that to your libertarian buddies. I know better.

What part is wrong? BTW that is not a libertarian issue at all but I
know it is your go to brain fart


Your belief that advertising does not lower prices for products and
services.


===

It depends on the product or service. Yes, if advertising increases
market share and leads to economy of scale (assuming the savings get
passed along), no otherwise. In the case of Budweiser it has led to
increased market share for an inferior product, at no obvious cost
benefit.

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On 8/16/2017 5:29 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 16:52:51 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/16/2017 3:30 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 12:56:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/16/2017 11:11 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 07:23:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I have a USB powered hard drive that some friends put together for my
birthday that has just about every group, band and song ever recorded. I
think it's a 200 Gig drive and it's just about full. I listen to it
once in a great while.
I really have a hard time wrapping my head around this. I have a
little over 30 gig of music and that is more than 6000 songs. That
includes some I have never and probably never will hear. I can't
imagine what you could have that gets you up to 200 gig and that you
have actually listened to 40,000 songs. That is about 200,000 minutes
of music. (3300 hours). If you started playing that list it would take
4 1/2 months going 24/7.
I hope you have clipped out much smaller subsets of this catalog to
make it useful.
How do you manage a list like this?
It does make you and Harry much more prolific pirates than me and I
thought I was Black Beard. (mostly gray now) ;-)



The songs on the hard drive is a collection that my luthier/lawyer
friend has been putting together all his mature life. He played in a
garage band in the mid-sixties and his group had a "hit" that made it to
number 80 on the charts. Name of the band was "The Nightcrawlers" from
Daytona Beach, FL.

He has them all arranged in folders by band/group with at least one
album ... often several for each. Starts with 40's Big Band stuff, the
50's, 60's and 70's where it sorta dies off although there are some from
the 80's. I don't think I've listened to 10 or 20 percent of what's on
the disk. It's fun to browse through it though and find songs I haven't
heard in years. Some are fairly rare recordings that never made the charts.

Once in a while I'll hook it up to my computer (used to use the little
XP machine I've mentioned) and create a playlist from the drive.

It may be worth getting a thumb drive, 8g is usually plenty and
putting your favorites out there. Plug that into your car player and
you may never turn the radio on again.


I've been meaning to try plugging in the hard drive my lawyer friend
gave me into one of the USB ports in the Canyon. I don't know if it
will work or how it will be displayed on the truck's screen (assuming it
will).


===

Not sure but I'd guess the USB ports are jusr for charging cell phones
and the like. Owner's manual would tell you if they could be used as
an aux source. Most new vehicles can be linked to your phone via Blue
Tooth and you can play music that way. Some older cars have a 3mm aux
jack hidden away somewhere - my wife's M-B has one in the glove
compartment. If you don't want to store MP3s on your phone you can
always bring up Pandora for free - much better choices and audio
quality than Sirius/XM in my opinion.

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I just looked it up. At first I thought I could do it. The manual says:

"A USB mass storage device can be connected to the USB port."

But three sentences later it says:

"Hard disk drives are not supported."

Then it says:

To play a USB device:

Connect the USB.
Press the MEDIA button until the connected device is shown.
While the USB source is active, press the corresponding faceplate
button for the icons on the screen to operate USB function.

USB Menu
Press the MENU knob to display the
USB menu and the following may
display:

Browse : Select to display the files
and folders on the USB device.

I might try it anyway. I don't think it will hurt anything.

On 8/16/17 4:17 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 3:05:51 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 12:46:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

FM is pretty much line of sight. I know that even here in Florida
where there are no real hills FM is tough. On a clear night I can get
the FM station out of Marathon (Fl Keys) but that is across the water
about 100 miles. I start losing the Tampa stations and FT Myers
stations about 70 miles away. There is a dead zone around Venice where
I don't get either of them.
Now if you are talking AM, the clear channel 50KW stations can be
heard 1000 miles away at night. There used to only be a handful of
them but the last time I looked there are a **** load of them. I guess
as AM popularity faded, they started allowing more big ones.
Unfortunately it seems most AM is either sports, news or Spanish.


HD FM range is much less than regular FM.

WBZ in Boston is one of the original clear channel stations. I picked
it up in Denver Colorado at night. Obviously skip.


We were AM DXers when I was a kid ... sort of. I had a 100' long wire
antenna out back, connected to a 5 bottle radio and we could pick up
WLS WBZ and WOWO just about every night. There were only about 5 or 6
clear channel stations then and the ones out west were usually not
available to us. I got started after being in Lake of the Ozarks with
the Teamsters and being introduced to Dick Biondi by the locals. I was
thrilled to get him on my radio in DC. I have picked WLS in my car
driving down I-95 in the middle of the night but it was far from 5X5.

I used to get WLS in SC at night. Conditions had to be right.

Years ago I had the biggest TV antenna Channel Master made on a rotor at the top of a ~30ft pole. After midnight I could turn it towards Atlanta and pick up WKLS 96 Rock and it was listenable. That was nearly 200 miles away.


When I was growing up in New Haven, we had Channel 8, WNHC, the local
ABC affiliate. If you wanted more than that, you had a switch on the
back of your TV to switch to another antenna that was aimed towards New
York City, from which you could get very good reception of New York
stations, including Channel 2 (CBS), Channel 4 (NBC) Channel 5 (Dumont),
Channel 7 (ABC), Channel 9 (WOR), Channel 11 (WPIX) and Channel 13
(forget the affiliation). Channel 3 was a Hartford station and CBS
affiliate.

On 8/16/2017 7:45 PM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 8/16/2017 5:29 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 16:52:51 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/16/2017 3:30 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 12:56:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/16/2017 11:11 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 07:23:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I have a USB powered hard drive that some friends put together for my
birthday that has just about every group, band and song ever recorded. I
think it's a 200 Gig drive and it's just about full. I listen to it
once in a great while.
I really have a hard time wrapping my head around this. I have a
little over 30 gig of music and that is more than 6000 songs. That
includes some I have never and probably never will hear. I can't
imagine what you could have that gets you up to 200 gig and that you
have actually listened to 40,000 songs. That is about 200,000 minutes
of music. (3300 hours). If you started playing that list it would take
4 1/2 months going 24/7.
I hope you have clipped out much smaller subsets of this catalog to
make it useful.
How do you manage a list like this?
It does make you and Harry much more prolific pirates than me and I
thought I was Black Beard. (mostly gray now) ;-)



The songs on the hard drive is a collection that my luthier/lawyer
friend has been putting together all his mature life. He played in a
garage band in the mid-sixties and his group had a "hit" that made it to
number 80 on the charts. Name of the band was "The Nightcrawlers" from
Daytona Beach, FL.

He has them all arranged in folders by band/group with at least one
album ... often several for each. Starts with 40's Big Band stuff, the
50's, 60's and 70's where it sorta dies off although there are some from
the 80's. I don't think I've listened to 10 or 20 percent of what's on
the disk. It's fun to browse through it though and find songs I haven't
heard in years. Some are fairly rare recordings that never made the charts.

Once in a while I'll hook it up to my computer (used to use the little
XP machine I've mentioned) and create a playlist from the drive.

It may be worth getting a thumb drive, 8g is usually plenty and
putting your favorites out there. Plug that into your car player and
you may never turn the radio on again.


I've been meaning to try plugging in the hard drive my lawyer friend
gave me into one of the USB ports in the Canyon. I don't know if it
will work or how it will be displayed on the truck's screen (assuming it
will).


===

Not sure but I'd guess the USB ports are jusr for charging cell phones
and the like. Owner's manual would tell you if they could be used as
an aux source. Most new vehicles can be linked to your phone via Blue
Tooth and you can play music that way. Some older cars have a 3mm aux
jack hidden away somewhere - my wife's M-B has one in the glove
compartment. If you don't want to store MP3s on your phone you can
always bring up Pandora for free - much better choices and audio
quality than Sirius/XM in my opinion.

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I just looked it up. At first I thought I could do it. The manual says:

"A USB mass storage device can be connected to the USB port."

But three sentences later it says:

"Hard disk drives are not supported."

Then it says:

To play a USB device:

Connect the USB.
Press the MEDIA button until the connected device is shown.
While the USB source is active, press the corresponding faceplate
button for the icons on the screen to operate USB function.

USB Menu
Press the MENU knob to display the
USB menu and the following may
display:

Browse : Select to display the files
and folders on the USB device.

I might try it anyway. I don't think it will hurt anything.


How is the hard drive powered?


USB powered.

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 15:34:43 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

What part is wrong? BTW that is not a libertarian issue at all but I
know it is your go to brain fart


Your belief that advertising does not lower prices for products and
services.

How does that work?
I add a large line to my expense column and somehow I can lower prices
and still make a profit.
It is clear you never actually looked at a P&L statement or owned a
business. Ads may generate more business but it is still a cost of
doing business that gets passed on to the customer.

On 8/16/17 9:02 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 15:34:43 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

What part is wrong? BTW that is not a libertarian issue at all but I
know it is your go to brain fart


Your belief that advertising does not lower prices for products and
services.

How does that work?
I add a large line to my expense column and somehow I can lower prices
and still make a profit.
It is clear you never actually looked at a P&L statement or owned a
business. Ads may generate more business but it is still a cost of
doing business that gets passed on to the customer.


"Ads may generate more business but it is still a cost of
doing business that gets passed on to the customer. "

Think that through for a while and get back to us.

On 8/16/2017 9:02 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 15:34:43 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

What part is wrong? BTW that is not a libertarian issue at all but I
know it is your go to brain fart


Your belief that advertising does not lower prices for products and
services.

How does that work?
I add a large line to my expense column and somehow I can lower prices
and still make a profit.
It is clear you never actually looked at a P&L statement or owned a
business. Ads may generate more business but it is still a cost of
doing business that gets passed on to the customer.


That's not always the case Greg. Advertising can simply be to increase
market share ... or simply compete for business in the first place.

The idea that all business costs are "passed on" to the customer is
simply not true.

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 16:52:51 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It may be worth getting a thumb drive, 8g is usually plenty and
putting your favorites out there. Plug that into your car player and
you may never turn the radio on again.


I've been meaning to try plugging in the hard drive my lawyer friend
gave me into one of the USB ports in the Canyon. I don't know if it
will work or how it will be displayed on the truck's screen (assuming it
will).



It will work and you will be able to manipulate the files on the
screen but with 30,000 songs out there it is pretty useless on the
road. Better is just to make a subset of the songs you like on a thumb
drive. You can put them in separate directories and select them a
directory at a time or just play the whole drive, sequential or
random.
I have a few different drive images on separate thumbs that are easy
to deal with. Then it is just a super sized cassette. You can also
burn MP3s on a DVD and get 4.5 gig or so of music that will play on
newer machines.
On vacation we usually have a thumb drive of music I build for each
trip but I have my laptop with the whole catalog if I change my mind.
I also carry a couple of MP3 players for the plane to use with our
sound canceling head sets. They are a lot smaller than a phone. My new
ones are about the size of a pack of matches with far more capacity
than I will ever fill. The LiON battery lasts for 30 hours or more.

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 17:29:45 -0400,
wrote:

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 16:52:51 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I've been meaning to try plugging in the hard drive my lawyer friend
gave me into one of the USB ports in the Canyon. I don't know if it
will work or how it will be displayed on the truck's screen (assuming it
will).


===

Not sure but I'd guess the USB ports are jusr for charging cell phones
and the like. Owner's manual would tell you if they could be used as
an aux source. Most new vehicles can be linked to your phone via Blue
Tooth and you can play music that way. Some older cars have a 3mm aux
jack hidden away somewhere - my wife's M-B has one in the glove
compartment. If you don't want to store MP3s on your phone you can
always bring up Pandora for free - much better choices and audio
quality than Sirius/XM in my opinion.

I rent a lot of cars and the USB port is always connected to the sound
system if it is there. There may also be an SD card slot. For the last
7-8 years the CD player also plays DVDs that you can put music on
(with the high end systems). That is over 4 gigs but you can put a
reasonable size playlist on a CD in MP3 (~ 150 songs).
We never bother mating our phones to rental cars but I am sure that
works. Judy has her phone linked to the Lincoln and she can bluetooth
anything the phone can pick up.
I use some kind of flash in my cars (Sd or thumb).
I found out, you can wear out flash memory. I have had some go bad.