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On 8/18/17 12:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 9:52 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 9:18 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 7:34:57 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 7:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 7:13 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 6:52 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:



The hilarious part is Greg repeatedly regurgitating his disdain for
advertising. As to whether you kissed political ass, well, if you
were a government contractor, you surely did, even if you were
unaware of it or refuse to acknowledge it.

You certainly know how to stretch a lie.


Are you saying that Greg hasn't repeatedly regurgitated his disdain
for
advertising, or that there was no ass-kissing involved in your
obtaining
government contracts?


I wasn't high enough in the food chain to do any ass kissing.

He doesn't understand how RFPs work... or even businesses for that
matter.

We've had government contracts. In every case, the only contact we
had with *anyone* until after it was awarded was to send multiple
copies of our proposal to a specific address. You either requested,
in writing, the RFP or downloaded it from a site.

I think he's confusing government contract with *union* contracts. :)



Perhaps there is less of it in the boondocks, but there was plenty of
it taking place when the ad agency I worked for handled military
recruiting promotion...Plenty of ass-kissing, lunches, receptions, and
to a much lesser degree when I was writing and producing videos for
several federal agencies.

I suppose if you are a "me too" company with nothing to differentiate
yourself from your competition some elbow bending, ass-kissing and
smoodging is required.


Smoodging? Yeah, that must be it.

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On 8/18/2017 12:44 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 12:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 9:52 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 9:18 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 7:34:57 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 7:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 7:13 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 6:52 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:



The hilarious part is Greg repeatedly regurgitating his disdain for
advertising. As to whether you kissed political ass, well, if you
were a government contractor, you surely did, even if you were
unaware of it or refuse to acknowledge it.

You certainly know how to stretch a lie.


Are you saying that Greg hasn't repeatedly regurgitated his
disdain for
advertising, or that there was no ass-kissing involved in your
obtaining
government contracts?


I wasn't high enough in the food chain to do any ass kissing.

He doesn't understand how RFPs work... or even businesses for that
matter.

We've had government contracts. In every case, the only contact we
had with *anyone* until after it was awarded was to send multiple
copies of our proposal to a specific address. You either requested,
in writing, the RFP or downloaded it from a site.

I think he's confusing government contract with *union* contracts. :)



Perhaps there is less of it in the boondocks, but there was plenty of
it taking place when the ad agency I worked for handled military
recruiting promotion...Plenty of ass-kissing, lunches, receptions,
and to a much lesser degree when I was writing and producing videos
for several federal agencies.

I suppose if you are a "me too" company with nothing to differentiate
yourself from your competition some elbow bending, ass-kissing and
smoodging is required.


Smoodging? Yeah, that must be it.


It's a word. Look it up.

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On 8/18/17 1:03 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 12:44 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 12:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 9:52 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 9:18 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 7:34:57 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 7:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 7:13 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 6:52 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:



The hilarious part is Greg repeatedly regurgitating his disdain
for
advertising. As to whether you kissed political ass, well, if you
were a government contractor, you surely did, even if you were
unaware of it or refuse to acknowledge it.

You certainly know how to stretch a lie.


Are you saying that Greg hasn't repeatedly regurgitated his
disdain for
advertising, or that there was no ass-kissing involved in your
obtaining
government contracts?


I wasn't high enough in the food chain to do any ass kissing.

He doesn't understand how RFPs work... or even businesses for that
matter.

We've had government contracts. In every case, the only contact we
had with *anyone* until after it was awarded was to send multiple
copies of our proposal to a specific address. You either
requested, in writing, the RFP or downloaded it from a site.

I think he's confusing government contract with *union* contracts. :)



Perhaps there is less of it in the boondocks, but there was plenty
of it taking place when the ad agency I worked for handled military
recruiting promotion...Plenty of ass-kissing, lunches, receptions,
and to a much lesser degree when I was writing and producing videos
for several federal agencies.

I suppose if you are a "me too" company with nothing to differentiate
yourself from your competition some elbow bending, ass-kissing and
smoodging is required.


Smoodging? Yeah, that must be it.


It's a word. Look it up.




Sorry, I didn't find "smoodging" in my dictionary. Do you mean
"schmoozing," perhaps?

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On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 13:03:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I suppose if you are a "me too" company with nothing to differentiate
yourself from your competition some elbow bending, ass-kissing and
smoodging is required.


Smoodging? Yeah, that must be it.


It's a word. Look it up.

===


smoodge

(also smooge)

verb

[no object]
Australian, NZ
informal


Behave in an ingratiating manner.

‘he used to hang around here smoodging to Mum’

Harree has never done very well comprehending 'stralian slang. His
relationship with Karen of Oz on this group was a prime example of
that.


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On 8/18/2017 1:54 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 1:03 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 12:44 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 12:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 9:52 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 9:18 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 7:34:57 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 7:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 7:13 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 6:52 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:



The hilarious part is Greg repeatedly regurgitating his
disdain for
advertising. As to whether you kissed political ass, well, if you
were a government contractor, you surely did, even if you were
unaware of it or refuse to acknowledge it.

You certainly know how to stretch a lie.


Are you saying that Greg hasn't repeatedly regurgitated his
disdain for
advertising, or that there was no ass-kissing involved in your
obtaining
government contracts?


I wasn't high enough in the food chain to do any ass kissing.

He doesn't understand how RFPs work... or even businesses for that
matter.

We've had government contracts. In every case, the only contact
we had with *anyone* until after it was awarded was to send
multiple copies of our proposal to a specific address. You either
requested, in writing, the RFP or downloaded it from a site.

I think he's confusing government contract with *union*
contracts. :)



Perhaps there is less of it in the boondocks, but there was plenty
of it taking place when the ad agency I worked for handled military
recruiting promotion...Plenty of ass-kissing, lunches, receptions,
and to a much lesser degree when I was writing and producing videos
for several federal agencies.

I suppose if you are a "me too" company with nothing to
differentiate yourself from your competition some elbow bending,
ass-kissing and smoodging is required.


Smoodging? Yeah, that must be it.


It's a word. Look it up.




Sorry, I didn't find "smoodging" in my dictionary. Do you mean
"schmoozing," perhaps?

Perhaps your dictionary is out of date.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/smoodge

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On 8/18/17 4:57 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 1:54 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 1:03 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 12:44 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 12:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 9:52 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 9:18 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 7:34:57 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 7:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 7:13 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 6:52 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:



The hilarious part is Greg repeatedly regurgitating his
disdain for
advertising. As to whether you kissed political ass, well, if
you
were a government contractor, you surely did, even if you were
unaware of it or refuse to acknowledge it.

You certainly know how to stretch a lie.


Are you saying that Greg hasn't repeatedly regurgitated his
disdain for
advertising, or that there was no ass-kissing involved in your
obtaining
government contracts?


I wasn't high enough in the food chain to do any ass kissing.

He doesn't understand how RFPs work... or even businesses for
that matter.

We've had government contracts. In every case, the only contact
we had with *anyone* until after it was awarded was to send
multiple copies of our proposal to a specific address. You
either requested, in writing, the RFP or downloaded it from a site.

I think he's confusing government contract with *union*
contracts. :)



Perhaps there is less of it in the boondocks, but there was plenty
of it taking place when the ad agency I worked for handled
military recruiting promotion...Plenty of ass-kissing, lunches,
receptions, and to a much lesser degree when I was writing and
producing videos for several federal agencies.

I suppose if you are a "me too" company with nothing to
differentiate yourself from your competition some elbow bending,
ass-kissing and smoodging is required.


Smoodging? Yeah, that must be it.


It's a word. Look it up.




Sorry, I didn't find "smoodging" in my dictionary. Do you mean
"schmoozing," perhaps?

Perhaps your dictionary is out of date.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/smoodge



Not a word I've ever heard...you must have had a lot of experience
smoodging.

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On 8/18/2017 5:10 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 4:57 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 1:54 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 1:03 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 12:44 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 12:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 9:52 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 9:18 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 7:34:57 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 7:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 7:13 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 6:52 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:



The hilarious part is Greg repeatedly regurgitating his
disdain for
advertising. As to whether you kissed political ass, well,
if you
were a government contractor, you surely did, even if you were
unaware of it or refuse to acknowledge it.

You certainly know how to stretch a lie.


Are you saying that Greg hasn't repeatedly regurgitated his
disdain for
advertising, or that there was no ass-kissing involved in your
obtaining
government contracts?


I wasn't high enough in the food chain to do any ass kissing.

He doesn't understand how RFPs work... or even businesses for
that matter.

We've had government contracts. In every case, the only contact
we had with *anyone* until after it was awarded was to send
multiple copies of our proposal to a specific address. You
either requested, in writing, the RFP or downloaded it from a site.

I think he's confusing government contract with *union*
contracts. :)



Perhaps there is less of it in the boondocks, but there was
plenty of it taking place when the ad agency I worked for handled
military recruiting promotion...Plenty of ass-kissing, lunches,
receptions, and to a much lesser degree when I was writing and
producing videos for several federal agencies.

I suppose if you are a "me too" company with nothing to
differentiate yourself from your competition some elbow bending,
ass-kissing and smoodging is required.


Smoodging? Yeah, that must be it.


It's a word. Look it up.




Sorry, I didn't find "smoodging" in my dictionary. Do you mean
"schmoozing," perhaps?

Perhaps your dictionary is out of date.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/smoodge



Not a word I've ever heard...you must have had a lot of experience
smoodging.


Gee. Harry learned a new word today from a lowly engineer of all people.

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On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 18:45:32 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/18/2017 5:10 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 4:57 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 1:54 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 1:03 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 12:44 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 12:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 9:52 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 9:18 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 7:34:57 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 7:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 7:13 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 6:52 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:



The hilarious part is Greg repeatedly regurgitating his
disdain for
advertising. As to whether you kissed political ass, well,
if you
were a government contractor, you surely did, even if you were
unaware of it or refuse to acknowledge it.

You certainly know how to stretch a lie.


Are you saying that Greg hasn't repeatedly regurgitated his
disdain for
advertising, or that there was no ass-kissing involved in your
obtaining
government contracts?


I wasn't high enough in the food chain to do any ass kissing.

He doesn't understand how RFPs work... or even businesses for
that matter.

We've had government contracts. In every case, the only contact
we had with *anyone* until after it was awarded was to send
multiple copies of our proposal to a specific address. You
either requested, in writing, the RFP or downloaded it from a site.

I think he's confusing government contract with *union*
contracts. :)



Perhaps there is less of it in the boondocks, but there was
plenty of it taking place when the ad agency I worked for handled
military recruiting promotion...Plenty of ass-kissing, lunches,
receptions, and to a much lesser degree when I was writing and
producing videos for several federal agencies.

I suppose if you are a "me too" company with nothing to
differentiate yourself from your competition some elbow bending,
ass-kissing and smoodging is required.


Smoodging? Yeah, that must be it.


It's a word. Look it up.




Sorry, I didn't find "smoodging" in my dictionary. Do you mean
"schmoozing," perhaps?

Perhaps your dictionary is out of date.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/smoodge



Not a word I've ever heard...you must have had a lot of experience
smoodging.


Gee. Harry learned a new word today from a lowly engineer of all people.


===

Heh, good work.

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On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 6:13:46 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 6:52 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 6:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/17/2017 6:32 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/17/17 2:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/17/2017 11:06 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 07:00:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/17/2017 1:03 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 21:49:09 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/16/2017 9:02 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 15:34:43 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

What part is wrong? BTW that is not a libertarian issue at
all but I
know it is your go to brain fart


Your belief that advertising does not lower prices for
products and
services.

How does that work?
I add a large line to my expense column and somehow I can lower
prices
and still make a profit.
It is clear you never actually looked at a P&L statement or
owned a
business. Ads may generate more business but it is still a cost of
doing business that gets passed on to the customer.


That's not always the case Greg. Advertising can simply be to
increase
market share ... or simply compete for business in the first place.

The idea that all business costs are "passed on" to the customer is
simply not true.


Who pays them? If you are not covering your expenses with your
revenue
you are on the fast track to bankruptcy court. (or you are the
government)


If you are profitable with your existing business, some of those
profits
can be re-invested in advertising to increase your market share. In
some businesses margins may have to be cut simply to get a
contract to
begin with. Yes, if you can't cover your overall cost of doing
business long term you will eventually go bankrupt but the point I am
making is that costs are not necessary "passed on" to the customer as
you keep repeating. It depends on the type of business. If I had
tried
to increase my margins in order to pay for start up costs,
advertising
and other non-direct expenses, the number of contracts I received
would
have suffered. It's called competition and in my business it was
primarily evaluated on technical responsiveness to the RFQ, price and
delivery schedule. In time reputation also became a major factor.

In the early days I took some contracts at break-even just to get the
company recognized, "in the door" and eligible for future
contracts. I
didn't always break even either. One hick-up in the project and I'd
lose money. You have to have a long-term plan and goal although I
don't
believe in formal one or five year "business plans". They are for
investors, not the business owner or person who is actually
running the
company.

I never borrowed money or even had a bank line. I learned that lesson
from watching another person try to build a company using "other
people's money". He ended up in bankruptcy and investors and vendors
got hurt. All growth in my company was organic with the
exception of
one person who wanted "in" badly and bought himself a 10 percent
equity
position. He was a tremendous asset, holding two Phd's in physics
and
helped get the company a lot of exposure. Otherwise, I relied on
technical competence, delivering what was promised and earning repeat
business. Growth, margins and the rest took care of themselves.

I've often thought about businesses and what I believe to be some
of the
mistakes people make. My experience isn't typical, for sure, and
it was
not the management of a fully mature, on-going, typical business
where
the scorecard are the P&L statements or quarterly returns. If I made
some money on a project I invested it into the company's growth. I
never paid myself a big fat salary. My goal was always to create
something of eventual value to someone else and it paid off.



Eventually all of that cost was passed on to the customer. You just
had enough "bank" to eat it during your start up.


I don't know how you figure that but so be it. In the business I
was in you didn't have the luxury of passing on any and all costs
other than maybe increasing prices somewhat annually or so. Some
projects we made a nice profit. Others not so much.



Sorry, fellas, but this is another of those hilarious discussions.
Keep on keeping on.


You're right. I was unable to obtain the success you have in
business. Maybe it's because I never kissed any politician's ass.



The hilarious part is Greg repeatedly regurgitating his disdain for
advertising. As to whether you kissed political ass, well, if you were a
government contractor, you surely did, even if you were unaware of it or
refuse to acknowledge it.

You certainly know how to stretch a lie.


That's one thing communists do best, and Krause is one of the best.

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On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 9:04:50 AM UTC-5, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 9:53:10 AM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 9:44 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 9:18 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 7:34:57 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 7:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 7:13 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 6:52 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:



The hilarious part is Greg repeatedly regurgitating his disdain for
advertising. As to whether you kissed political ass, well, if you
were a government contractor, you surely did, even if you were
unaware of it or refuse to acknowledge it.

You certainly know how to stretch a lie.


Are you saying that Greg hasn't repeatedly regurgitated his disdain for
advertising, or that there was no ass-kissing involved in your
obtaining
government contracts?


I wasn't high enough in the food chain to do any ass kissing.

He doesn't understand how RFPs work... or even businesses for that
matter.

We've had government contracts. In every case, the only contact we
had with *anyone* until after it was awarded was to send multiple
copies of our proposal to a specific address. You either requested,
in writing, the RFP or downloaded it from a site.

I think he's confusing government contract with *union* contracts. :)



Oh, he'll be here shortly to inform us of his vast experience in
obtaining government contracts.



I had a few contracts in the 1980s...small ones and one really large one.

You did a lot of ass-kissing?

The large contract is where he really took it deep.

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On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 5:45:38 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 5:10 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 4:57 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 1:54 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 1:03 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 12:44 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 12:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 9:52 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 9:18 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 7:34:57 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 7:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/18/17 7:13 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/18/2017 6:52 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:



The hilarious part is Greg repeatedly regurgitating his
disdain for
advertising. As to whether you kissed political ass, well,
if you
were a government contractor, you surely did, even if you were
unaware of it or refuse to acknowledge it.

You certainly know how to stretch a lie.


Are you saying that Greg hasn't repeatedly regurgitated his
disdain for
advertising, or that there was no ass-kissing involved in your
obtaining
government contracts?


I wasn't high enough in the food chain to do any ass kissing.

He doesn't understand how RFPs work... or even businesses for
that matter.

We've had government contracts. In every case, the only contact
we had with *anyone* until after it was awarded was to send
multiple copies of our proposal to a specific address. You
either requested, in writing, the RFP or downloaded it from a site.

I think he's confusing government contract with *union*
contracts. :)



Perhaps there is less of it in the boondocks, but there was
plenty of it taking place when the ad agency I worked for handled
military recruiting promotion...Plenty of ass-kissing, lunches,
receptions, and to a much lesser degree when I was writing and
producing videos for several federal agencies.

I suppose if you are a "me too" company with nothing to
differentiate yourself from your competition some elbow bending,
ass-kissing and smoodging is required.


Smoodging? Yeah, that must be it.


It's a word. Look it up.




Sorry, I didn't find "smoodging" in my dictionary. Do you mean
"schmoozing," perhaps?

Perhaps your dictionary is out of date.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/smoodge



Not a word I've ever heard...you must have had a lot of experience
smoodging.


Gee. Harry learned a new word today from a lowly engineer of all people.

Especially from a lowly engineer with a Navy education.

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On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 13:54:30 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


Sorry, I didn't find "smoodging" in my dictionary. Do you mean
"schmoozing," perhaps?

Not even in that 30 volume dictionary you consulted to find "navee"?

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On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 16:57:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/18/2017 1:54 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:

Sorry, I didn't find "smoodging" in my dictionary. Do you mean
"schmoozing," perhaps?

Perhaps your dictionary is out of date.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/smoodge


And that dictionary does not recognize "navee"

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On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 17:10:03 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


Not a word I've ever heard...you must have had a lot of experience
smoodging.

Typical diversion from Haree

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On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 13:17:13 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote:

On Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 3:05:51 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 12:46:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

FM is pretty much line of sight. I know that even here in Florida
where there are no real hills FM is tough. On a clear night I can get
the FM station out of Marathon (Fl Keys) but that is across the water
about 100 miles. I start losing the Tampa stations and FT Myers
stations about 70 miles away. There is a dead zone around Venice where
I don't get either of them.
Now if you are talking AM, the clear channel 50KW stations can be
heard 1000 miles away at night. There used to only be a handful of
them but the last time I looked there are a **** load of them. I guess
as AM popularity faded, they started allowing more big ones.
Unfortunately it seems most AM is either sports, news or Spanish.


HD FM range is much less than regular FM.

WBZ in Boston is one of the original clear channel stations. I picked
it up in Denver Colorado at night. Obviously skip.


We were AM DXers when I was a kid ... sort of. I had a 100' long wire
antenna out back, connected to a 5 bottle radio and we could pick up
WLS WBZ and WOWO just about every night. There were only about 5 or 6
clear channel stations then and the ones out west were usually not
available to us. I got started after being in Lake of the Ozarks with
the Teamsters and being introduced to Dick Biondi by the locals. I was
thrilled to get him on my radio in DC. I have picked WLS in my car
driving down I-95 in the middle of the night but it was far from 5X5.

I used to get WLS in SC at night. Conditions had to be right.

Years ago I had the biggest TV antenna Channel Master made on a rotor at the top of a ~30ft pole. After midnight I could turn it towards Atlanta and pick up WKLS 96 Rock and it was listenable. That was nearly 200 miles away.

'WLS, in Chicago' was 'the' station when I was in high school, in Sedalia, MO.

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On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 10:45:12 -0600 (MDT), justan wrote:

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 8/16/17 10:47 AM, justan wrote:
John H Wrote in message:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 07:23:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 8/16/2017 6:52 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 06:46:59 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 8/16/17 5:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/15/2017 11:12 PM, RGrew176 wrote:
On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 5:31:55 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/15/2017 5:16 PM, RGrew176 wrote:
Whatever you do do not give them a credit card number or they will
renew your service at the full going rate.

When I first got the service I told them I did not have any credit
cards and they would have to invoice me. Has worked well since.



Good advice. Some of these services are almost impossible to cancel. I
noticed on the last email they sent me to sign up there was an option
for credit card or invoice for the payment. I'll opt for the invoice.
That way, if I don't want to renew in a year, I'll just ignore it.

One other thing you need to know if you go the invoice route. Sirius
will not stop service when the contract is up. They will let it go on
as you accrue costs to them. In my case I marked on the calendar when
my current subscription ends. Mine ends on November 16th. I will be
calling them about a week prior to either extend if I get a price I
like or end the service.



I noted on the latest offer that you have to call them to cancel. I
suppose you are put on hold for an hour and then have to listen to a
sales pitch to keep your account.


Are you out of range of all the great FM stations in the Boston area,
including the non-commercial ones? I'm really at a loss to figure out
why SIRIUS is popular, especially since you have to pay for it and FM
radio is free to the listener. And I'm sure you have a iPod or iPhone or
similar device on which you can store the music you like. I have 20GB of
music on mine, about 4000 "songs," including all nine of Beethoven's
symphonies in orchestral and piano versions, a lot of Mozart, Schubert,
all sorts of folk and rock, even a little (forgive me) bluegrass. So,
what's the deal with SIRIUS?

If you had it, you'd understand.

We understand you have more and better than anyone else. We're just willing to settle for a bit less
than the absolute finest of anything available, which you already possess.

How're those twin Volvo diesels running, eh Krause?


I am out of range of any HD FM stations unless I am traveling somewhere
which isn't very often. I have little or no interest in spending the
time to copy and store gigs upon gigs of music on any kind of drive,
including my cell phone. In the past I've learned that I only listen to
my favorites most of the time anyway.

I have a USB powered hard drive that some friends put together for my
birthday that has just about every group, band and song ever recorded. I
think it's a 200 Gig drive and it's just about full. I listen to it
once in a great while.

I like Sirius mainly due to the variety of programing it offers. I can
listen to music from just about any decade or style of interest, talk
shows, baseball games, football and some comedy channels. It even has
the audio of MSNBC, CNN and FoxNews if you get the itch to tune in.

It offers variety which is what I like.


Yesterday I came back from Gettysburg, about 100 miles. It wasn't until I got within about 80 miles
that I could pick up the FM news station I listen to regularly broadcasting from DC. It's for damn
sure I couldn't get any Boston FM stations, like, I'm sure, Harry does.


I am almost convinced that Baldy has, is, does, knows, the best of
everything except he's missing a thing or two or three; a full
head of hair, and probably some strong bones and healthy teeth,
and a sound mind. Other than that he's perrrrrfect.


My hair is thinner on top than I'd like, but it's not bothersome. I
certainly have more natural teeth than Herring has, and my hearing is
pretty good...no hearing aids needed. Plus, I have 20/20 distance vision
in each eye, though I do need reading glasses. No bone problems, either.
But, hey, we know what you look like, from this snapshot of you:

http://tinyurl.com/y9swug9j


How do you know so much about Herring? You been cyber stalking him?

Any little thing he sees gets added to his data base.