Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political announcement or
news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react.

So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates, the panel
on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals, small
businesses and large businesses. The focus of their discussion was how
and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy overall and
create more jobs.

Switch to MSNBC:

Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and speculating) on how
the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's all they
were talking about.

Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political announcement or
news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react.

So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates, the panel
on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals, small
businesses and large businesses. The focus of their discussion was how
and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy overall and
create more jobs.

Switch to MSNBC:

Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and speculating) on how
the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's all they
were talking about.


Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants to know
how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this, what it will do
to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains of the
social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and other
citizen safety laws.

Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

On 4/26/2017 3:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political announcement or
news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react.

So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates, the panel
on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals, small
businesses and large businesses. The focus of their discussion was how
and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy overall and
create more jobs.

Switch to MSNBC:

Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and speculating) on how
the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's all they
were talking about.


Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants to know
how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this, what it will do
to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains of the
social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and other
citizen safety laws.


In other words, if Trump proposed it .... it must be bad ... even if you
don't even know the details of his tax changes.

Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

On 4/26/17 3:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 3:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political announcement or
news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react.

So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates, the panel
on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals, small
businesses and large businesses. The focus of their discussion was how
and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy overall and
create more jobs.

Switch to MSNBC:

Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and speculating) on how
the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's all they
were talking about.


Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants to know
how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this, what it will do
to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains of the
social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and other
citizen safety laws.


In other words, if Trump proposed it .... it must be bad ... even if you
don't even know the details of his tax changes.



As usual, Trump didn't present any real details, and until he provides
details *and* his tax returns and an independent agency determines how
much the Trumps will make off of this latest scheme, it should be dead
in the water.

Trump promised to revise the tax code. Whatever today's proposal is, it
ain't that. Further, there is no evidence that draconian tax cuts will
result in more good jobs.

Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

On 4/26/17 3:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

In other words, if Trump proposed it .... it must be bad ... even if you
don't even know the details of his tax changes.


What Trump specializes in is bad, poorly thought out ideas, most of
which will never come to fruition. But the dummies in his base still
believe him.

Remember when Trump said repeatedly and in no uncertain terms that he
would build a big, beautiful wall along the U.S.-Mexico border and the
wall would be paid for by Mexico? How is that working out?

Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

On 4/26/2017 3:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political announcement or
news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react.

So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates, the panel
on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals, small
businesses and large businesses. The focus of their discussion was how
and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy overall and
create more jobs.

Switch to MSNBC:

Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and speculating) on how
the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's all they
were talking about.


Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants to know
how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this, what it will do
to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains of the
social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and other
citizen safety laws.


BTW, this wasn't his budget request. It was his proposal for lowering
taxes. The rich still pay the highest percentage by far. It really
applies to middle class individuals, Sub-S sorporations and large
corporations as an incentive to base operations in the USA, expand and
hire more Americans. A one time tax will apply for those corporations
with their holdings overseas and then a 15 percent (as proposed) tax
thereafter.

This is very good for the economy of the USA.

Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

On 4/26/17 4:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 3:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political announcement or
news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react.

So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates, the panel
on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals, small
businesses and large businesses. The focus of their discussion was how
and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy overall and
create more jobs.

Switch to MSNBC:

Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and speculating) on how
the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's all they
were talking about.


Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants to know
how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this, what it will do
to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains of the
social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and other
citizen safety laws.


BTW, this wasn't his budget request. It was his proposal for lowering
taxes. The rich still pay the highest percentage by far. It really
applies to middle class individuals, Sub-S sorporations and large
corporations as an incentive to base operations in the USA, expand and
hire more Americans. A one time tax will apply for those corporations
with their holdings overseas and then a 15 percent (as proposed) tax
thereafter.

This is very good for the economy of the USA.


Really? What about the deficit?

Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

On 4/26/2017 3:55 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 3:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 3:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political announcement or
news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react.

So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates, the panel
on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals, small
businesses and large businesses. The focus of their discussion was how
and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy overall and
create more jobs.

Switch to MSNBC:

Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and speculating) on how
the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's all they
were talking about.


Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants to know
how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this, what it will do
to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains of the
social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and other
citizen safety laws.


In other words, if Trump proposed it .... it must be bad ... even if you
don't even know the details of his tax changes.



As usual, Trump didn't present any real details, and until he provides
details *and* his tax returns and an independent agency determines how
much the Trumps will make off of this latest scheme, it should be dead
in the water.

Trump promised to revise the tax code. Whatever today's proposal is, it
ain't that. Further, there is no evidence that draconian tax cuts will
result in more good jobs.


Yes, the tax code revision is on his "to-do" list but this wasn't it.
This addressed lowering taxes only.

The Dems are going to screw this all up because they think seeing
Trump's tax returns is more important than giving the middle class and
business, small and large, a tax break. Personally, I don't give a
**** about Trump's tax returns. They are, by law, automatically audited
by the IRS ... both his and the Vice President's. If something is
illegal in them, I am sure a whistle blower will let the media know.

Amazing, isn't it, that roles have reversed in Congress. The liberals
are now the obstructionist party and the conservatives are the
progressives (for the most part).

Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

On 4/26/2017 3:58 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 3:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

In other words, if Trump proposed it .... it must be bad ... even if you
don't even know the details of his tax changes.


What Trump specializes in is bad, poorly thought out ideas, most of
which will never come to fruition. But the dummies in his base still
believe him.

Remember when Trump said repeatedly and in no uncertain terms that he
would build a big, beautiful wall along the U.S.-Mexico border and the
wall would be paid for by Mexico? How is that working out?



He's still claiming it will be built. We'll just have to see. He's
coming up on 100 days in office. Something like 1,390 days more to go.

Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

On 4/26/17 4:08 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 3:55 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 3:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 3:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political announcement or
news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react.

So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates, the
panel
on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals, small
businesses and large businesses. The focus of their discussion was
how
and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy overall and
create more jobs.

Switch to MSNBC:

Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and speculating) on
how
the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's all
they
were talking about.


Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants to know
how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this, what it will do
to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains of the
social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and other
citizen safety laws.


In other words, if Trump proposed it .... it must be bad ... even if you
don't even know the details of his tax changes.



As usual, Trump didn't present any real details, and until he provides
details *and* his tax returns and an independent agency determines how
much the Trumps will make off of this latest scheme, it should be dead
in the water.

Trump promised to revise the tax code. Whatever today's proposal is, it
ain't that. Further, there is no evidence that draconian tax cuts will
result in more good jobs.


Yes, the tax code revision is on his "to-do" list but this wasn't it.
This addressed lowering taxes only.

The Dems are going to screw this all up because they think seeing
Trump's tax returns is more important than giving the middle class and
business, small and large, a tax break. Personally, I don't give a
**** about Trump's tax returns. They are, by law, automatically audited
by the IRS ... both his and the Vice President's. If something is
illegal in them, I am sure a whistle blower will let the media know.

Amazing, isn't it, that roles have reversed in Congress. The liberals
are now the obstructionist party and the conservatives are the
progressives (for the most part).



I'm not sure "illegality" is the issue in Trump's tax returns, although
if there is income in there from Russia, well, that might be a can of
worms.

Oh...the conservatives...are the regressives.

Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

On 4/26/17 4:09 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 3:58 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 3:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

In other words, if Trump proposed it .... it must be bad ... even if you
don't even know the details of his tax changes.


What Trump specializes in is bad, poorly thought out ideas, most of
which will never come to fruition. But the dummies in his base still
believe him.

Remember when Trump said repeatedly and in no uncertain terms that he
would build a big, beautiful wall along the U.S.-Mexico border and the
wall would be paid for by Mexico? How is that working out?



He's still claiming it will be built. We'll just have to see. He's
coming up on 100 days in office. Something like 1,390 days more to go.



I hope not.

Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

On 4/26/2017 4:04 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 3:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political announcement or
news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react.

So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates, the panel
on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals, small
businesses and large businesses. The focus of their discussion was how
and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy overall and
create more jobs.

Switch to MSNBC:

Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and speculating) on how
the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's all they
were talking about.


Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants to know
how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this, what it will do
to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains of the
social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and other
citizen safety laws.


BTW, this wasn't his budget request. It was his proposal for lowering
taxes. The rich still pay the highest percentage by far. It really
applies to middle class individuals, Sub-S sorporations and large
corporations as an incentive to base operations in the USA, expand and
hire more Americans. A one time tax will apply for those corporations
with their holdings overseas and then a 15 percent (as proposed) tax
thereafter.

This is very good for the economy of the USA.


Really? What about the deficit?

His Treasury guy (forget his name) claims the new tax rates will produce
something like 5 Trillion in revenues over 5 years. It's a start.

Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

On 4/26/17 4:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:04 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 3:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political announcement or
news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react.

So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates, the
panel
on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals, small
businesses and large businesses. The focus of their discussion was
how
and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy overall and
create more jobs.

Switch to MSNBC:

Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and speculating) on
how
the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's all
they
were talking about.


Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants to know
how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this, what it will do
to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains of the
social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and other
citizen safety laws.


BTW, this wasn't his budget request. It was his proposal for lowering
taxes. The rich still pay the highest percentage by far. It really
applies to middle class individuals, Sub-S sorporations and large
corporations as an incentive to base operations in the USA, expand and
hire more Americans. A one time tax will apply for those corporations
with their holdings overseas and then a 15 percent (as proposed) tax
thereafter.

This is very good for the economy of the USA.


Really? What about the deficit?

His Treasury guy (forget his name) claims the new tax rates will produce
something like 5 Trillion in revenues over 5 years. It's a start.




That's hilarious.

Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

On 4/26/2017 4:11 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:08 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 3:55 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 3:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 3:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political
announcement or
news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react.

So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates, the
panel
on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals, small
businesses and large businesses. The focus of their discussion was
how
and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy overall and
create more jobs.

Switch to MSNBC:

Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and speculating) on
how
the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's all
they
were talking about.


Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants to know
how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this, what it
will do
to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains of the
social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and other
citizen safety laws.


In other words, if Trump proposed it .... it must be bad ... even if
you
don't even know the details of his tax changes.



As usual, Trump didn't present any real details, and until he provides
details *and* his tax returns and an independent agency determines how
much the Trumps will make off of this latest scheme, it should be dead
in the water.

Trump promised to revise the tax code. Whatever today's proposal is, it
ain't that. Further, there is no evidence that draconian tax cuts will
result in more good jobs.


Yes, the tax code revision is on his "to-do" list but this wasn't it.
This addressed lowering taxes only.

The Dems are going to screw this all up because they think seeing
Trump's tax returns is more important than giving the middle class and
business, small and large, a tax break. Personally, I don't give a
**** about Trump's tax returns. They are, by law, automatically audited
by the IRS ... both his and the Vice President's. If something is
illegal in them, I am sure a whistle blower will let the media know.

Amazing, isn't it, that roles have reversed in Congress. The liberals
are now the obstructionist party and the conservatives are the
progressives (for the most part).



I'm not sure "illegality" is the issue in Trump's tax returns, although
if there is income in there from Russia, well, that might be a can of
worms.

Oh...the conservatives...are the regressives.


Trump is entitled to take advantage of every legal deduction or tax
loophole ... just like you and I are. His numbers are just a hell of a
lot bigger, that's all.

Still waiting for the shoe to drop with the "Russia, Russia, Russia"
thing, huh? I wonder what is taking the FBI, the House Committee and
the Senate Committee so long to conduct their "investigations". Don't
you think that if a real, smoking gun had been discovered by now that
proved some kind of collusion between Trump and Russia that someone ...
Comey, one of the Democrat committee members or even one of the
Republican committee members would be screaming at the top of their
lungs? They love to be famous. Or are they going to just stay quiet
and let an illegal president continue to run the country?

Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

On 4/26/2017 4:12 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:09 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 3:58 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 3:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

In other words, if Trump proposed it .... it must be bad ... even if
you
don't even know the details of his tax changes.


What Trump specializes in is bad, poorly thought out ideas, most of
which will never come to fruition. But the dummies in his base still
believe him.

Remember when Trump said repeatedly and in no uncertain terms that he
would build a big, beautiful wall along the U.S.-Mexico border and the
wall would be paid for by Mexico? How is that working out?



He's still claiming it will be built. We'll just have to see. He's
coming up on 100 days in office. Something like 1,390 days more to go.



I hope not.


Sorry Harry but you and Maxine are not likely to get your wish.

Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

On 4/26/2017 4:15 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:04 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 3:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political
announcement or
news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react.

So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates, the
panel
on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals, small
businesses and large businesses. The focus of their discussion was
how
and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy overall and
create more jobs.

Switch to MSNBC:

Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and speculating) on
how
the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's all
they
were talking about.


Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants to know
how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this, what it
will do
to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains of the
social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and other
citizen safety laws.


BTW, this wasn't his budget request. It was his proposal for lowering
taxes. The rich still pay the highest percentage by far. It really
applies to middle class individuals, Sub-S sorporations and large
corporations as an incentive to base operations in the USA, expand and
hire more Americans. A one time tax will apply for those corporations
with their holdings overseas and then a 15 percent (as proposed) tax
thereafter.

This is very good for the economy of the USA.


Really? What about the deficit?

His Treasury guy (forget his name) claims the new tax rates will produce
something like 5 Trillion in revenues over 5 years. It's a start.




That's hilarious.


Why's that? I can understand why it could. A robust, growing economy
is the largest revenue generating source. Taxes aren't even close.

Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

On 4/26/17 4:20 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:11 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:08 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 3:55 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 3:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 3:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political
announcement or
news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react.

So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates, the
panel
on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals, small
businesses and large businesses. The focus of their discussion was
how
and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy overall and
create more jobs.

Switch to MSNBC:

Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and speculating) on
how
the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's all
they
were talking about.


Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants to know
how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this, what it
will do
to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains of the
social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and other
citizen safety laws.


In other words, if Trump proposed it .... it must be bad ... even if
you
don't even know the details of his tax changes.



As usual, Trump didn't present any real details, and until he provides
details *and* his tax returns and an independent agency determines how
much the Trumps will make off of this latest scheme, it should be dead
in the water.

Trump promised to revise the tax code. Whatever today's proposal is, it
ain't that. Further, there is no evidence that draconian tax cuts will
result in more good jobs.


Yes, the tax code revision is on his "to-do" list but this wasn't it.
This addressed lowering taxes only.

The Dems are going to screw this all up because they think seeing
Trump's tax returns is more important than giving the middle class and
business, small and large, a tax break. Personally, I don't give a
**** about Trump's tax returns. They are, by law, automatically audited
by the IRS ... both his and the Vice President's. If something is
illegal in them, I am sure a whistle blower will let the media know.

Amazing, isn't it, that roles have reversed in Congress. The liberals
are now the obstructionist party and the conservatives are the
progressives (for the most part).



I'm not sure "illegality" is the issue in Trump's tax returns, although
if there is income in there from Russia, well, that might be a can of
worms.

Oh...the conservatives...are the regressives.


Trump is entitled to take advantage of every legal deduction or tax
loophole ... just like you and I are. His numbers are just a hell of a
lot bigger, that's all.

Still waiting for the shoe to drop with the "Russia, Russia, Russia"
thing, huh? I wonder what is taking the FBI, the House Committee and
the Senate Committee so long to conduct their "investigations".


Don't
you think that if a real, smoking gun had been discovered by now that
proved some kind of collusion between Trump and Russia that someone ...
Comey, one of the Democrat committee members or even one of the
Republican committee members would be screaming at the top of their
lungs? They love to be famous. Or are they going to just stay quiet
and let an illegal president continue to run the country?


Both the House and Senate committees are controlled by Republicans and
it has been reported for more than a week now they are laggards because
of party politics.

Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

On 4/26/17 4:23 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:15 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:04 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 3:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political
announcement or
news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react.

So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates, the
panel
on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals, small
businesses and large businesses. The focus of their discussion was
how
and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy overall and
create more jobs.

Switch to MSNBC:

Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and speculating) on
how
the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's all
they
were talking about.


Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants to know
how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this, what it
will do
to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains of the
social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and other
citizen safety laws.


BTW, this wasn't his budget request. It was his proposal for lowering
taxes. The rich still pay the highest percentage by far. It really
applies to middle class individuals, Sub-S sorporations and large
corporations as an incentive to base operations in the USA, expand and
hire more Americans. A one time tax will apply for those corporations
with their holdings overseas and then a 15 percent (as proposed) tax
thereafter.

This is very good for the economy of the USA.


Really? What about the deficit?

His Treasury guy (forget his name) claims the new tax rates will produce
something like 5 Trillion in revenues over 5 years. It's a start.




That's hilarious.


Why's that? I can understand why it could. A robust, growing economy
is the largest revenue generating source. Taxes aren't even close.


Trump's tax cuts will simply put more money in the hands of the rich,
weaken the country and further devastate the lower and middle income
families. All that will trickle down is ****.

Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

On 4/26/17 4:20 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:11 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:08 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 3:55 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 3:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 3:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political
announcement or
news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react.

So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates, the
panel
on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals, small
businesses and large businesses. The focus of their discussion was
how
and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy overall and
create more jobs.

Switch to MSNBC:

Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and speculating) on
how
the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's all
they
were talking about.


Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants to know
how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this, what it
will do
to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains of the
social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and other
citizen safety laws.


In other words, if Trump proposed it .... it must be bad ... even if
you
don't even know the details of his tax changes.



As usual, Trump didn't present any real details, and until he provides
details *and* his tax returns and an independent agency determines how
much the Trumps will make off of this latest scheme, it should be dead
in the water.

Trump promised to revise the tax code. Whatever today's proposal is, it
ain't that. Further, there is no evidence that draconian tax cuts will
result in more good jobs.


Yes, the tax code revision is on his "to-do" list but this wasn't it.
This addressed lowering taxes only.

The Dems are going to screw this all up because they think seeing
Trump's tax returns is more important than giving the middle class and
business, small and large, a tax break. Personally, I don't give a
**** about Trump's tax returns. They are, by law, automatically audited
by the IRS ... both his and the Vice President's. If something is
illegal in them, I am sure a whistle blower will let the media know.

Amazing, isn't it, that roles have reversed in Congress. The liberals
are now the obstructionist party and the conservatives are the
progressives (for the most part).



I'm not sure "illegality" is the issue in Trump's tax returns, although
if there is income in there from Russia, well, that might be a can of
worms.

Oh...the conservatives...are the regressives.


Trump is entitled to take advantage of every legal deduction or tax
loophole ... just like you and I are. His numbers are just a hell of a
lot bigger, that's all.

No tickee, no laundry.

From CNN:



(CNN) Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin was riding high on Wednesday
afternoon. He was in the midst of unveiling President Donald Trump's tax
proposal, a plan that he had promised would be "the biggest tax cut and
the largest tax reform in the history of our country."
Then ABC's Jon Karl asked Mnuchin about whether Trump would reconsider
his refusal to release his own tax returns. It got awkward. Fast.
It goes quick. (Mnuchin didn't want to answer.) So, here's exactly what
he said:

"The president has no intention....The president has released plenty of
information and has given more financial disclosure than anybody else. I
think the American population has plenty of information on his taxes."

This is simply not true.

Trump is the first president not to release his tax returns in four
decades. That is beyond dispute.
Trump has said the reason he won't release his tax returns is because he
is under audit. But there is no law or even rule that would prohibit
someone under audit from releasing his or her returns. In fact, Richard
Nixon did it in 1973.

There has been some dissonance in that explanation, most notably from
White House counselor Kellyanne Conway, who said this in January:
"We litigated this all through the election. People didn't care. They
voted for him, and let me make this very clear: Most Americans are very
focused on what their tax returns will look like while President Trump
is in office, not what his look like."
Trump, too, has been pressed on whether Americans care to see his tax
returns. "I won. I became president. I don't think they care at all," he
said in a news conference.

White House insiders have insisted that the audit was the real reason
the returns weren't being released. But Mnuchin also seemed to suggest
that there is no interest in Trump's taxes from the public and,
therefore, they wouldn't be released.

Polling tells a different story. A January CNN/Opinion Research Center
poll showed that almost three-quarters of the public -- 74% -- thought
Trump should release his tax returns. Two-thirds said that Trump "should
disclose more ... about his financial connections and business interests."
The point is this: Mnuchin tried to dismiss Trump's refusal to release
his tax returns as an unimportant side issue in the broader conversation
about the tax reform package. It's not.

Trump's lack of transparency on taxes gives Democrats a ready-made --
and politically effective -- reason to oppose whatever legislation
arises out of this draft. "If Donald Trump can't show us whether this
tax plan will benefit his own bottom line, I can't be for it," is an
easy way for any Democrat -- even those in swing districts -- to justify
their opposition.

For Republicans, Trump's unwillingness to release his returns puts them
in a bit of a bind. They will want to talk exclusively about the plan's
merits and why it makes sense of the American people. But they won't be
able to do that without facing the question of why Trump isn't willing
to level with the public about how his family business would be affected
by the tax package. Plus, there are already a decent number of House and
Senate Republicans on record as calling for Trump to release the returns.

Far from a side issue, the Trump tax returns loom as a giant potential
distraction for congressional Republicans as they begin to try to build
momentum behind the bill.

Mnuchin doesn't seem to get that. Yet.

Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

On 4/26/2017 4:39 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:23 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:15 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:04 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 3:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political
announcement or
news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react.

So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates, the
panel
on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals, small
businesses and large businesses. The focus of their discussion was
how
and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy overall and
create more jobs.

Switch to MSNBC:

Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and speculating) on
how
the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's all
they
were talking about.


Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants to
know
how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this, what it
will do
to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains of
the
social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and other
citizen safety laws.


BTW, this wasn't his budget request. It was his proposal for
lowering
taxes. The rich still pay the highest percentage by far. It really
applies to middle class individuals, Sub-S sorporations and large
corporations as an incentive to base operations in the USA, expand
and
hire more Americans. A one time tax will apply for those
corporations
with their holdings overseas and then a 15 percent (as proposed) tax
thereafter.

This is very good for the economy of the USA.


Really? What about the deficit?

His Treasury guy (forget his name) claims the new tax rates will
produce
something like 5 Trillion in revenues over 5 years. It's a start.




That's hilarious.


Why's that? I can understand why it could. A robust, growing economy
is the largest revenue generating source. Taxes aren't even close.


Trump's tax cuts will simply put more money in the hands of the rich,
weaken the country and further devastate the lower and middle income
families. All that will trickle down is ****.


Maybe you could explain exactly how that is going to happen. This isn't
"trickle down". It's targeted towards low and middle class incomes,
small business (sub-s) and large businesses that have offshored their
manufacturing. Those with high incomes (I don't know the number but it
was rumored to be about $450k and up) pay the highest tax bracket.
Forget the exact number but it was in the 30 something percent range.

Plus, he is proposing a doubling of the tax credit for middle class
incomes. First $24K is exempt, up from $12.5K.

Don't see how you think this will "devastate the lower and middle income
families". It's targeted right for them ... and businesses.

Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

On 4/26/2017 4:55 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:20 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:11 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:08 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 3:55 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 3:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 3:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political
announcement or
news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react.

So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates, the
panel
on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals, small
businesses and large businesses. The focus of their discussion was
how
and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy overall and
create more jobs.

Switch to MSNBC:

Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and speculating) on
how
the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's all
they
were talking about.


Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants to
know
how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this, what it
will do
to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains of
the
social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and other
citizen safety laws.


In other words, if Trump proposed it .... it must be bad ... even if
you
don't even know the details of his tax changes.



As usual, Trump didn't present any real details, and until he provides
details *and* his tax returns and an independent agency determines how
much the Trumps will make off of this latest scheme, it should be dead
in the water.

Trump promised to revise the tax code. Whatever today's proposal
is, it
ain't that. Further, there is no evidence that draconian tax cuts will
result in more good jobs.


Yes, the tax code revision is on his "to-do" list but this wasn't it.
This addressed lowering taxes only.

The Dems are going to screw this all up because they think seeing
Trump's tax returns is more important than giving the middle class and
business, small and large, a tax break. Personally, I don't give a
**** about Trump's tax returns. They are, by law, automatically
audited
by the IRS ... both his and the Vice President's. If something is
illegal in them, I am sure a whistle blower will let the media know.

Amazing, isn't it, that roles have reversed in Congress. The liberals
are now the obstructionist party and the conservatives are the
progressives (for the most part).



I'm not sure "illegality" is the issue in Trump's tax returns, although
if there is income in there from Russia, well, that might be a can of
worms.

Oh...the conservatives...are the regressives.


Trump is entitled to take advantage of every legal deduction or tax
loophole ... just like you and I are. His numbers are just a hell of a
lot bigger, that's all.

No tickee, no laundry.

From CNN:



(CNN) Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin was riding high on Wednesday
afternoon. He was in the midst of unveiling President Donald Trump's tax
proposal, a plan that he had promised would be "the biggest tax cut and
the largest tax reform in the history of our country."
Then ABC's Jon Karl asked Mnuchin about whether Trump would reconsider
his refusal to release his own tax returns. It got awkward. Fast.
It goes quick. (Mnuchin didn't want to answer.) So, here's exactly what
he said:

"The president has no intention....The president has released plenty of
information and has given more financial disclosure than anybody else. I
think the American population has plenty of information on his taxes."

This is simply not true.

Trump is the first president not to release his tax returns in four
decades. That is beyond dispute.
Trump has said the reason he won't release his tax returns is because he
is under audit. But there is no law or even rule that would prohibit
someone under audit from releasing his or her returns. In fact, Richard
Nixon did it in 1973.

There has been some dissonance in that explanation, most notably from
White House counselor Kellyanne Conway, who said this in January:
"We litigated this all through the election. People didn't care. They
voted for him, and let me make this very clear: Most Americans are very
focused on what their tax returns will look like while President Trump
is in office, not what his look like."
Trump, too, has been pressed on whether Americans care to see his tax
returns. "I won. I became president. I don't think they care at all," he
said in a news conference.

White House insiders have insisted that the audit was the real reason
the returns weren't being released. But Mnuchin also seemed to suggest
that there is no interest in Trump's taxes from the public and,
therefore, they wouldn't be released.

Polling tells a different story. A January CNN/Opinion Research Center
poll showed that almost three-quarters of the public -- 74% -- thought
Trump should release his tax returns. Two-thirds said that Trump "should
disclose more ... about his financial connections and business interests."
The point is this: Mnuchin tried to dismiss Trump's refusal to release
his tax returns as an unimportant side issue in the broader conversation
about the tax reform package. It's not.

Trump's lack of transparency on taxes gives Democrats a ready-made --
and politically effective -- reason to oppose whatever legislation
arises out of this draft. "If Donald Trump can't show us whether this
tax plan will benefit his own bottom line, I can't be for it," is an
easy way for any Democrat -- even those in swing districts -- to justify
their opposition.

For Republicans, Trump's unwillingness to release his returns puts them
in a bit of a bind. They will want to talk exclusively about the plan's
merits and why it makes sense of the American people. But they won't be
able to do that without facing the question of why Trump isn't willing
to level with the public about how his family business would be affected
by the tax package. Plus, there are already a decent number of House and
Senate Republicans on record as calling for Trump to release the returns.

Far from a side issue, the Trump tax returns loom as a giant potential
distraction for congressional Republicans as they begin to try to build
momentum behind the bill.

Mnuchin doesn't seem to get that. Yet.




Does this mean the progressive liberal mantra has been changed from
"Russia, Russia, Russia" to "Returns, Returns, Returns"?

Good. The former was getting stale.

Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 16:55:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 4/26/17 4:20 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:11 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:08 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 3:55 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 3:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 3:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political
announcement or
news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react.

So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates, the
panel
on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals, small
businesses and large businesses. The focus of their discussion was
how
and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy overall and
create more jobs.

Switch to MSNBC:

Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and speculating) on
how
the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's all
they
were talking about.


Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants to know
how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this, what it
will do
to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains of the
social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and other
citizen safety laws.


In other words, if Trump proposed it .... it must be bad ... even if
you
don't even know the details of his tax changes.



As usual, Trump didn't present any real details, and until he provides
details *and* his tax returns and an independent agency determines how
much the Trumps will make off of this latest scheme, it should be dead
in the water.

Trump promised to revise the tax code. Whatever today's proposal is, it
ain't that. Further, there is no evidence that draconian tax cuts will
result in more good jobs.


Yes, the tax code revision is on his "to-do" list but this wasn't it.
This addressed lowering taxes only.

The Dems are going to screw this all up because they think seeing
Trump's tax returns is more important than giving the middle class and
business, small and large, a tax break. Personally, I don't give a
**** about Trump's tax returns. They are, by law, automatically audited
by the IRS ... both his and the Vice President's. If something is
illegal in them, I am sure a whistle blower will let the media know.

Amazing, isn't it, that roles have reversed in Congress. The liberals
are now the obstructionist party and the conservatives are the
progressives (for the most part).



I'm not sure "illegality" is the issue in Trump's tax returns, although
if there is income in there from Russia, well, that might be a can of
worms.

Oh...the conservatives...are the regressives.


Trump is entitled to take advantage of every legal deduction or tax
loophole ... just like you and I are. His numbers are just a hell of a
lot bigger, that's all.

No tickee, no laundry.

From CNN:



(CNN) Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin was riding high on Wednesday
afternoon. He was in the midst of unveiling President Donald Trump's tax
proposal, a plan that he had promised would be "the biggest tax cut and
the largest tax reform in the history of our country."
Then ABC's Jon Karl asked Mnuchin about whether Trump would reconsider
his refusal to release his own tax returns. It got awkward. Fast.
It goes quick. (Mnuchin didn't want to answer.) So, here's exactly what
he said:

"The president has no intention....The president has released plenty of
information and has given more financial disclosure than anybody else. I
think the American population has plenty of information on his taxes."

This is simply not true.

Trump is the first president not to release his tax returns in four
decades. That is beyond dispute.
Trump has said the reason he won't release his tax returns is because he
is under audit. But there is no law or even rule that would prohibit
someone under audit from releasing his or her returns. In fact, Richard
Nixon did it in 1973.

There has been some dissonance in that explanation, most notably from
White House counselor Kellyanne Conway, who said this in January:
"We litigated this all through the election. People didn't care. They
voted for him, and let me make this very clear: Most Americans are very
focused on what their tax returns will look like while President Trump
is in office, not what his look like."
Trump, too, has been pressed on whether Americans care to see his tax
returns. "I won. I became president. I don't think they care at all," he
said in a news conference.

White House insiders have insisted that the audit was the real reason
the returns weren't being released. But Mnuchin also seemed to suggest
that there is no interest in Trump's taxes from the public and,
therefore, they wouldn't be released.

Polling tells a different story. A January CNN/Opinion Research Center
poll showed that almost three-quarters of the public -- 74% -- thought
Trump should release his tax returns. Two-thirds said that Trump "should
disclose more ... about his financial connections and business interests."
The point is this: Mnuchin tried to dismiss Trump's refusal to release
his tax returns as an unimportant side issue in the broader conversation
about the tax reform package. It's not.

Trump's lack of transparency on taxes gives Democrats a ready-made --
and politically effective -- reason to oppose whatever legislation
arises out of this draft. "If Donald Trump can't show us whether this
tax plan will benefit his own bottom line, I can't be for it," is an
easy way for any Democrat -- even those in swing districts -- to justify
their opposition.

For Republicans, Trump's unwillingness to release his returns puts them
in a bit of a bind. They will want to talk exclusively about the plan's
merits and why it makes sense of the American people. But they won't be
able to do that without facing the question of why Trump isn't willing
to level with the public about how his family business would be affected
by the tax package. Plus, there are already a decent number of House and
Senate Republicans on record as calling for Trump to release the returns.

Far from a side issue, the Trump tax returns loom as a giant potential
distraction for congressional Republicans as they begin to try to build
momentum behind the bill.

Mnuchin doesn't seem to get that. Yet.

Have some wine wiith your whine. You'll feel better.
Boo hoo, boo hoo.

Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 16:39:57 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 4/26/17 4:23 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:15 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:04 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 3:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political
announcement or
news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react.

So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates, the
panel
on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals, small
businesses and large businesses. The focus of their discussion was
how
and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy overall and
create more jobs.

Switch to MSNBC:

Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and speculating) on
how
the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's all
they
were talking about.


Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants to know
how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this, what it
will do
to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains of the
social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and other
citizen safety laws.


BTW, this wasn't his budget request. It was his proposal for lowering
taxes. The rich still pay the highest percentage by far. It really
applies to middle class individuals, Sub-S sorporations and large
corporations as an incentive to base operations in the USA, expand and
hire more Americans. A one time tax will apply for those corporations
with their holdings overseas and then a 15 percent (as proposed) tax
thereafter.

This is very good for the economy of the USA.


Really? What about the deficit?

His Treasury guy (forget his name) claims the new tax rates will produce
something like 5 Trillion in revenues over 5 years. It's a start.




That's hilarious.


Why's that? I can understand why it could. A robust, growing economy
is the largest revenue generating source. Taxes aren't even close.


Trump's tax cuts will simply put more money in the hands of the rich,
weaken the country and further devastate the lower and middle income
families. All that will trickle down is ****.

You best cover your head, Krause!

Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

On 4/26/2017 5:11 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 16:39:57 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 4/26/17 4:23 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:15 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:04 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 3:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political
announcement or
news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react.

So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates, the
panel
on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals, small
businesses and large businesses. The focus of their discussion was
how
and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy overall and
create more jobs.

Switch to MSNBC:

Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and speculating) on
how
the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's all
they
were talking about.


Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants to know
how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this, what it
will do
to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains of the
social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and other
citizen safety laws.


BTW, this wasn't his budget request. It was his proposal for lowering
taxes. The rich still pay the highest percentage by far. It really
applies to middle class individuals, Sub-S sorporations and large
corporations as an incentive to base operations in the USA, expand and
hire more Americans. A one time tax will apply for those corporations
with their holdings overseas and then a 15 percent (as proposed) tax
thereafter.

This is very good for the economy of the USA.


Really? What about the deficit?

His Treasury guy (forget his name) claims the new tax rates will produce
something like 5 Trillion in revenues over 5 years. It's a start.




That's hilarious.


Why's that? I can understand why it could. A robust, growing economy
is the largest revenue generating source. Taxes aren't even close.


Trump's tax cuts will simply put more money in the hands of the rich,
weaken the country and further devastate the lower and middle income
families. All that will trickle down is ****.

You best cover your head, Krause!



Harry's claims are pure BS. His claim that the House and Senate
investigations into Russiagate is being drawn out because the
Republicans chair the committees is pure BS as well.
The Democrats would be screaming bloody murder, especially those on the
respective committees. None are complaining, probably because they have
yet to find anything to complain about or report.

Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 17:07:31 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 4/26/2017 4:39 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:23 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:15 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:04 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 3:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political
announcement or
news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react.

So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates, the
panel
on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals, small
businesses and large businesses. The focus of their discussion was
how
and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy overall and
create more jobs.

Switch to MSNBC:

Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and speculating) on
how
the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's all
they
were talking about.


Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants to
know
how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this, what it
will do
to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains of
the
social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and other
citizen safety laws.


BTW, this wasn't his budget request. It was his proposal for
lowering
taxes. The rich still pay the highest percentage by far. It really
applies to middle class individuals, Sub-S sorporations and large
corporations as an incentive to base operations in the USA, expand
and
hire more Americans. A one time tax will apply for those
corporations
with their holdings overseas and then a 15 percent (as proposed) tax
thereafter.

This is very good for the economy of the USA.


Really? What about the deficit?

His Treasury guy (forget his name) claims the new tax rates will
produce
something like 5 Trillion in revenues over 5 years. It's a start.




That's hilarious.


Why's that? I can understand why it could. A robust, growing economy
is the largest revenue generating source. Taxes aren't even close.


Trump's tax cuts will simply put more money in the hands of the rich,
weaken the country and further devastate the lower and middle income
families. All that will trickle down is ****.


Maybe you could explain exactly how that is going to happen. This isn't
"trickle down". It's targeted towards low and middle class incomes,
small business (sub-s) and large businesses that have offshored their
manufacturing. Those with high incomes (I don't know the number but it
was rumored to be about $450k and up) pay the highest tax bracket.
Forget the exact number but it was in the 30 something percent range.

Plus, he is proposing a doubling of the tax credit for middle class
incomes. First $24K is exempt, up from $12.5K.

Don't see how you think this will "devastate the lower and middle income
families". It's targeted right for them ... and businesses.


Most likely those facts will be ignored.

Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 17:17:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 4/26/2017 5:11 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 16:39:57 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 4/26/17 4:23 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:15 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:04 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 3:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political
announcement or
news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react.

So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates, the
panel
on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals, small
businesses and large businesses. The focus of their discussion was
how
and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy overall and
create more jobs.

Switch to MSNBC:

Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and speculating) on
how
the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's all
they
were talking about.


Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants to know
how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this, what it
will do
to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains of the
social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and other
citizen safety laws.


BTW, this wasn't his budget request. It was his proposal for lowering
taxes. The rich still pay the highest percentage by far. It really
applies to middle class individuals, Sub-S sorporations and large
corporations as an incentive to base operations in the USA, expand and
hire more Americans. A one time tax will apply for those corporations
with their holdings overseas and then a 15 percent (as proposed) tax
thereafter.

This is very good for the economy of the USA.


Really? What about the deficit?

His Treasury guy (forget his name) claims the new tax rates will produce
something like 5 Trillion in revenues over 5 years. It's a start.




That's hilarious.


Why's that? I can understand why it could. A robust, growing economy
is the largest revenue generating source. Taxes aren't even close.


Trump's tax cuts will simply put more money in the hands of the rich,
weaken the country and further devastate the lower and middle income
families. All that will trickle down is ****.

You best cover your head, Krause!



Harry's claims are pure BS. His claim that the House and Senate
investigations into Russiagate is being drawn out because the
Republicans chair the committees is pure BS as well.
The Democrats would be screaming bloody murder, especially those on the
respective committees. None are complaining, probably because they have
yet to find anything to complain about or report.


Harry knows. He's a narcissist, like Trump. He needs attention. The wilder his claims, the more
attention he gets. Once you put the facts in front of him, as you did earlier, he will jump on
another bandwagon.

Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political announcement or
news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react.

So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates, the panel
on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals, small
businesses and large businesses. The focus of their discussion was how
and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy overall and
create more jobs.

Switch to MSNBC:

Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and speculating) on how
the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's all they
were talking about.


Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants to know
how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this, what it will do
to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains of the
social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and other
citizen safety laws.


DNC mail you the talking points?

Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 3:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political announcement or
news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react.

So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates, the panel
on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals, small
businesses and large businesses. The focus of their discussion was how
and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy overall and
create more jobs.

Switch to MSNBC:

Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and speculating) on how
the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's all they
were talking about.


Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants to know
how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this, what it will do
to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains of the
social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and other
citizen safety laws.


BTW, this wasn't his budget request. It was his proposal for lowering
taxes. The rich still pay the highest percentage by far. It really
applies to middle class individuals, Sub-S sorporations and large
corporations as an incentive to base operations in the USA, expand and
hire more Americans. A one time tax will apply for those corporations
with their holdings overseas and then a 15 percent (as proposed) tax
thereafter.

This is very good for the economy of the USA.


Really? What about the deficit?


Well, has been getting very much bigger and fewer jobs with what we have
had for years. An this be worse? According to those who failed to pay
their taxes, yes.

Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:11 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:08 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 3:55 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 3:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 3:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political
announcement or
news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react.

So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates, the
panel
on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals, small
businesses and large businesses. The focus of their discussion was
how
and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy overall and
create more jobs.

Switch to MSNBC:

Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and speculating) on
how
the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's all
they
were talking about.


Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants to know
how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this, what it
will do
to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains of the
social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and other
citizen safety laws.


In other words, if Trump proposed it .... it must be bad ... even if
you
don't even know the details of his tax changes.



As usual, Trump didn't present any real details, and until he provides
details *and* his tax returns and an independent agency determines how
much the Trumps will make off of this latest scheme, it should be dead
in the water.

Trump promised to revise the tax code. Whatever today's proposal is, it
ain't that. Further, there is no evidence that draconian tax cuts will
result in more good jobs.


Yes, the tax code revision is on his "to-do" list but this wasn't it.
This addressed lowering taxes only.

The Dems are going to screw this all up because they think seeing
Trump's tax returns is more important than giving the middle class and
business, small and large, a tax break. Personally, I don't give a
**** about Trump's tax returns. They are, by law, automatically audited
by the IRS ... both his and the Vice President's. If something is
illegal in them, I am sure a whistle blower will let the media know.

Amazing, isn't it, that roles have reversed in Congress. The liberals
are now the obstructionist party and the conservatives are the
progressives (for the most part).



I'm not sure "illegality" is the issue in Trump's tax returns, although
if there is income in there from Russia, well, that might be a can of
worms.

Oh...the conservatives...are the regressives.


Trump is entitled to take advantage of every legal deduction or tax
loophole ... just like you and I are. His numbers are just a hell of a
lot bigger, that's all.

Still waiting for the shoe to drop with the "Russia, Russia, Russia"
thing, huh? I wonder what is taking the FBI, the House Committee and
the Senate Committee so long to conduct their "investigations". Don't
you think that if a real, smoking gun had been discovered by now that
proved some kind of collusion between Trump and Russia that someone ...
Comey, one of the Democrat committee members or even one of the
Republican committee members would be screaming at the top of their
lungs? They love to be famous. Or are they going to just stay quiet
and let an illegal president continue to run the country?


How about looking at Bill and Hillary Clinton tax returns. Especially from
those countries who seem to get approvals shortly after donating, from the
Secretary of State. Probably more illegal Thor than Trumps. Plus now that
the CGI has been closed out, where did the money go? Were their taxes
paid?

Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:39 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:23 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:15 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:04 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 3:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political
announcement or
news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react.

So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates, the
panel
on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals, small
businesses and large businesses. The focus of their discussion was
how
and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy overall and
create more jobs.

Switch to MSNBC:

Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and speculating) on
how
the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's all
they
were talking about.


Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants to
know
how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this, what it
will do
to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains of
the
social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and other
citizen safety laws.


BTW, this wasn't his budget request. It was his proposal for
lowering
taxes. The rich still pay the highest percentage by far. It really
applies to middle class individuals, Sub-S sorporations and large
corporations as an incentive to base operations in the USA, expand
and
hire more Americans. A one time tax will apply for those
corporations
with their holdings overseas and then a 15 percent (as proposed) tax
thereafter.

This is very good for the economy of the USA.


Really? What about the deficit?

His Treasury guy (forget his name) claims the new tax rates will
produce
something like 5 Trillion in revenues over 5 years. It's a start.




That's hilarious.


Why's that? I can understand why it could. A robust, growing economy
is the largest revenue generating source. Taxes aren't even close.


Trump's tax cuts will simply put more money in the hands of the rich,
weaken the country and further devastate the lower and middle income
families. All that will trickle down is ****.


Maybe you could explain exactly how that is going to happen. This isn't
"trickle down". It's targeted towards low and middle class incomes,
small business (sub-s) and large businesses that have offshored their
manufacturing. Those with high incomes (I don't know the number but it
was rumored to be about $450k and up) pay the highest tax bracket.
Forget the exact number but it was in the 30 something percent range.

Plus, he is proposing a doubling of the tax credit for middle class
incomes. First $24K is exempt, up from $12.5K.

Don't see how you think this will "devastate the lower and middle income
families". It's targeted right for them ... and businesses.




Maybe Harry has tax problems as he does not understand taxes.

Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 3:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political announcement or
news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react.

So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates, the panel
on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals, small
businesses and large businesses. The focus of their discussion was how
and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy overall and
create more jobs.

Switch to MSNBC:

Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and speculating) on how
the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's all they
were talking about.


Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants to know
how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this, what it will do
to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains of the
social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and other
citizen safety laws.


BTW, this wasn't his budget request. It was his proposal for lowering
taxes. The rich still pay the highest percentage by far. It really
applies to middle class individuals, Sub-S sorporations and large
corporations as an incentive to base operations in the USA, expand and
hire more Americans. A one time tax will apply for those corporations
with their holdings overseas and then a 15 percent (as proposed) tax
thereafter.

This is very good for the economy of the USA.


Really? What about the deficit?


Well, has been getting very much bigger and fewer jobs with what we have
had for years. An this be worse? According to those who failed to pay
their taxes, yes.



Deficit should be debt.

Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

On 4/26/17 5:17 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 5:11 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 16:39:57 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 4/26/17 4:23 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:15 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:04 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 3:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political
announcement or
news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react.

So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates, the
panel
on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals,
small
businesses and large businesses. The focus of their
discussion was
how
and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy
overall and
create more jobs.

Switch to MSNBC:

Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and
speculating) on
how
the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's
all
they
were talking about.


Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants
to know
how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this, what it
will do
to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains
of the
social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and
other
citizen safety laws.


BTW, this wasn't his budget request. It was his proposal for
lowering
taxes. The rich still pay the highest percentage by far. It
really
applies to middle class individuals, Sub-S sorporations and large
corporations as an incentive to base operations in the USA,
expand and
hire more Americans. A one time tax will apply for those
corporations
with their holdings overseas and then a 15 percent (as proposed)
tax
thereafter.

This is very good for the economy of the USA.


Really? What about the deficit?

His Treasury guy (forget his name) claims the new tax rates will
produce
something like 5 Trillion in revenues over 5 years. It's a start.




That's hilarious.


Why's that? I can understand why it could. A robust, growing economy
is the largest revenue generating source. Taxes aren't even close.


Trump's tax cuts will simply put more money in the hands of the rich,
weaken the country and further devastate the lower and middle income
families. All that will trickle down is ****.

You best cover your head, Krause!



Harry's claims are pure BS. His claim that the House and Senate
investigations into Russiagate is being drawn out because the
Republicans chair the committees is pure BS as well.
The Democrats would be screaming bloody murder, especially those on the
respective committees. None are complaining, probably because they have
yet to find anything to complain about or report.



The slowdown has been in the news for several days.

Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

On 4/26/2017 6:04 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 5:17 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 5:11 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 16:39:57 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 4/26/17 4:23 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:15 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:04 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 3:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political
announcement or
news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react.

So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates,
the
panel
on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals,
small
businesses and large businesses. The focus of their
discussion was
how
and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy
overall and
create more jobs.

Switch to MSNBC:

Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and
speculating) on
how
the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's
all
they
were talking about.


Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants
to know
how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this, what it
will do
to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains
of the
social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and
other
citizen safety laws.


BTW, this wasn't his budget request. It was his proposal for
lowering
taxes. The rich still pay the highest percentage by far. It
really
applies to middle class individuals, Sub-S sorporations and large
corporations as an incentive to base operations in the USA,
expand and
hire more Americans. A one time tax will apply for those
corporations
with their holdings overseas and then a 15 percent (as proposed)
tax
thereafter.

This is very good for the economy of the USA.


Really? What about the deficit?

His Treasury guy (forget his name) claims the new tax rates will
produce
something like 5 Trillion in revenues over 5 years. It's a start.




That's hilarious.


Why's that? I can understand why it could. A robust, growing economy
is the largest revenue generating source. Taxes aren't even close.


Trump's tax cuts will simply put more money in the hands of the rich,
weaken the country and further devastate the lower and middle income
families. All that will trickle down is ****.

You best cover your head, Krause!



Harry's claims are pure BS. His claim that the House and Senate
investigations into Russiagate is being drawn out because the
Republicans chair the committees is pure BS as well.
The Democrats would be screaming bloody murder, especially those on the
respective committees. None are complaining, probably because they have
yet to find anything to complain about or report.



The slowdown has been in the news for several days.


Not making headlines that are noticeable. It's probably because the
liberal mantra change from "Russia, Russia, Russia" to "Returns,
Returns, Returns" is still in process.

Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

On 4/26/17 6:10 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 6:04 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 5:17 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 5:11 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 16:39:57 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 4/26/17 4:23 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:15 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:04 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 3:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political
announcement or
news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react.

So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates,
the
panel
on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals,
small
businesses and large businesses. The focus of their
discussion was
how
and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy
overall and
create more jobs.

Switch to MSNBC:

Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and
speculating) on
how
the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's
all
they
were talking about.


Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants
to know
how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this, what it
will do
to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains
of the
social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and
other
citizen safety laws.


BTW, this wasn't his budget request. It was his proposal for
lowering
taxes. The rich still pay the highest percentage by far. It
really
applies to middle class individuals, Sub-S sorporations and large
corporations as an incentive to base operations in the USA,
expand and
hire more Americans. A one time tax will apply for those
corporations
with their holdings overseas and then a 15 percent (as proposed)
tax
thereafter.

This is very good for the economy of the USA.


Really? What about the deficit?

His Treasury guy (forget his name) claims the new tax rates will
produce
something like 5 Trillion in revenues over 5 years. It's a start.




That's hilarious.


Why's that? I can understand why it could. A robust, growing
economy
is the largest revenue generating source. Taxes aren't even close.


Trump's tax cuts will simply put more money in the hands of the rich,
weaken the country and further devastate the lower and middle income
families. All that will trickle down is ****.

You best cover your head, Krause!



Harry's claims are pure BS. His claim that the House and Senate
investigations into Russiagate is being drawn out because the
Republicans chair the committees is pure BS as well.
The Democrats would be screaming bloody murder, especially those on the
respective committees. None are complaining, probably because they have
yet to find anything to complain about or report.



The slowdown has been in the news for several days.


Not making headlines that are noticeable. It's probably because the
liberal mantra change from "Russia, Russia, Russia" to "Returns,
Returns, Returns" is still in process.



:Uh huh.

Senate Trump-Russia Probe Has No Full-Time Staff, No Key Witnesses

The Senate Intelligence Committee’s probe into Russia’s election
interference is supposedly the best hope for getting the public credible
answers about whether there was any coordination between the Kremlin and
Trump Tower.

But there are serious reasons to doubt that it can accomplish this task,
as currently configured.

More than three months after the committee announced that it had agreed
on the scope of the investigation, the panel has not begun substantially
investigating possible ties between the Trump campaign and Russia, three
individuals with ties to the committee told The Daily Beast.

The investigation does not have a single staffer dedicated to it
full-time, and those staff members working on it part-time do not have
significant investigative experience. The probe currently appears to be
moving at a pace slower than prior Senate Intelligence Committee
investigations, such as the CIA torture inquiry, which took years to
accomplish.

No interviews have been conducted with key individuals suspected of
being in the Trump-Russia orbit: not Michael Flynn, not Roger Stone, not
Carter Page, not Paul Manafort, and not Jared Kushner, according to two
sources familiar with the committee’s procedures.

http://tinyurl.com/mcvbp6k

Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 16:12:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

His Treasury guy (forget his name) claims the new tax rates will produce
something like 5 Trillion in revenues over 5 years. It's a start.


$5T more? What growth rate does that depend on?

It is like Clinton's "surplus" based on the internet boom going on
forever and it crashed in 2000? We never even had a real surplus for a
quarter. The deficit never actually went away and the debt continued
to grow.

Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 19:35:02 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 4/26/17 6:10 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 6:04 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 5:17 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 5:11 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 16:39:57 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 4/26/17 4:23 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:15 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:04 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 3:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political
announcement or
news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react.

So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates,
the
panel
on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals,
small
businesses and large businesses. The focus of their
discussion was
how
and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy
overall and
create more jobs.

Switch to MSNBC:

Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and
speculating) on
how
the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's
all
they
were talking about.


Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants
to know
how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this, what it
will do
to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains
of the
social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and
other
citizen safety laws.


BTW, this wasn't his budget request. It was his proposal for
lowering
taxes. The rich still pay the highest percentage by far. It
really
applies to middle class individuals, Sub-S sorporations and large
corporations as an incentive to base operations in the USA,
expand and
hire more Americans. A one time tax will apply for those
corporations
with their holdings overseas and then a 15 percent (as proposed)
tax
thereafter.

This is very good for the economy of the USA.


Really? What about the deficit?

His Treasury guy (forget his name) claims the new tax rates will
produce
something like 5 Trillion in revenues over 5 years. It's a start.




That's hilarious.


Why's that? I can understand why it could. A robust, growing
economy
is the largest revenue generating source. Taxes aren't even close.


Trump's tax cuts will simply put more money in the hands of the rich,
weaken the country and further devastate the lower and middle income
families. All that will trickle down is ****.

You best cover your head, Krause!



Harry's claims are pure BS. His claim that the House and Senate
investigations into Russiagate is being drawn out because the
Republicans chair the committees is pure BS as well.
The Democrats would be screaming bloody murder, especially those on the
respective committees. None are complaining, probably because they have
yet to find anything to complain about or report.



The slowdown has been in the news for several days.


Not making headlines that are noticeable. It's probably because the
liberal mantra change from "Russia, Russia, Russia" to "Returns,
Returns, Returns" is still in process.



:Uh huh.

Senate Trump-Russia Probe Has No Full-Time Staff, No Key Witnesses

The Senate Intelligence Committee’s probe into Russia’s election
interference is supposedly the best hope for getting the public credible
answers about whether there was any coordination between the Kremlin and
Trump Tower.

But there are serious reasons to doubt that it can accomplish this task,
as currently configured.

More than three months after the committee announced that it had agreed
on the scope of the investigation, the panel has not begun substantially
investigating possible ties between the Trump campaign and Russia, three
individuals with ties to the committee told The Daily Beast.

The investigation does not have a single staffer dedicated to it
full-time, and those staff members working on it part-time do not have
significant investigative experience. The probe currently appears to be
moving at a pace slower than prior Senate Intelligence Committee
investigations, such as the CIA torture inquiry, which took years to
accomplish.

No interviews have been conducted with key individuals suspected of
being in the Trump-Russia orbit: not Michael Flynn, not Roger Stone, not
Carter Page, not Paul Manafort, and not Jared Kushner, according to two
sources familiar with the committee’s procedures.

http://tinyurl.com/mcvbp6k


Better yet - https://youtu.be/OMaV10b6-CU

Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

On 4/26/2017 7:35 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 6:10 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 6:04 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 5:17 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 5:11 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 16:39:57 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/26/17 4:23 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:15 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:04 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 3:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political
announcement or
news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react.

So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates,
the
panel
on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals,
small
businesses and large businesses. The focus of their
discussion was
how
and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy
overall and
create more jobs.

Switch to MSNBC:

Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and
speculating) on
how
the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's
all
they
were talking about.


Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants
to know
how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this, what it
will do
to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains
of the
social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and
other
citizen safety laws.


BTW, this wasn't his budget request. It was his proposal for
lowering
taxes. The rich still pay the highest percentage by far. It
really
applies to middle class individuals, Sub-S sorporations and
large
corporations as an incentive to base operations in the USA,
expand and
hire more Americans. A one time tax will apply for those
corporations
with their holdings overseas and then a 15 percent (as proposed)
tax
thereafter.

This is very good for the economy of the USA.


Really? What about the deficit?

His Treasury guy (forget his name) claims the new tax rates will
produce
something like 5 Trillion in revenues over 5 years. It's a start.




That's hilarious.


Why's that? I can understand why it could. A robust, growing
economy
is the largest revenue generating source. Taxes aren't even close.


Trump's tax cuts will simply put more money in the hands of the rich,
weaken the country and further devastate the lower and middle income
families. All that will trickle down is ****.

You best cover your head, Krause!



Harry's claims are pure BS. His claim that the House and Senate
investigations into Russiagate is being drawn out because the
Republicans chair the committees is pure BS as well.
The Democrats would be screaming bloody murder, especially those on the
respective committees. None are complaining, probably because they
have
yet to find anything to complain about or report.



The slowdown has been in the news for several days.


Not making headlines that are noticeable. It's probably because the
liberal mantra change from "Russia, Russia, Russia" to "Returns,
Returns, Returns" is still in process.



:Uh huh.

Senate Trump-Russia Probe Has No Full-Time Staff, No Key Witnesses

The Senate Intelligence Committee’s probe into Russia’s election
interference is supposedly the best hope for getting the public credible
answers about whether there was any coordination between the Kremlin and
Trump Tower.

But there are serious reasons to doubt that it can accomplish this task,
as currently configured.

More than three months after the committee announced that it had agreed
on the scope of the investigation, the panel has not begun substantially
investigating possible ties between the Trump campaign and Russia, three
individuals with ties to the committee told The Daily Beast.

The investigation does not have a single staffer dedicated to it
full-time, and those staff members working on it part-time do not have
significant investigative experience. The probe currently appears to be
moving at a pace slower than prior Senate Intelligence Committee
investigations, such as the CIA torture inquiry, which took years to
accomplish.

No interviews have been conducted with key individuals suspected of
being in the Trump-Russia orbit: not Michael Flynn, not Roger Stone, not
Carter Page, not Paul Manafort, and not Jared Kushner, according to two
sources familiar with the committee’s procedures.

http://tinyurl.com/mcvbp6k


Excuses, excuses. How about the FBI investigation? Is Comely dragging
his feet as well?

Hey, did you hear the latest? Rep. Jason Chaffetz announced he will
not seek reelection in 2018 in order to spend more time with his family.

Your hero, Maxine Waters went on the networks speculating that the real
reason is because he's a Russian operative taking orders from the
Kremlin and thinks he is about to be exposed.

Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

On 4/26/2017 8:26 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 16:12:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

His Treasury guy (forget his name) claims the new tax rates will produce
something like 5 Trillion in revenues over 5 years. It's a start.


$5T more? What growth rate does that depend on?

It is like Clinton's "surplus" based on the internet boom going on
forever and it crashed in 2000? We never even had a real surplus for a
quarter. The deficit never actually went away and the debt continued
to grow.


Clinton's "surplus" was the excess Social Security revenues that were
turned over to the general fund.

Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

On 4/27/17 7:43 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 7:35 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 6:10 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 6:04 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 5:17 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 5:11 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 16:39:57 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/26/17 4:23 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:15 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:04 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 3:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political
announcement or
news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react.

So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates,
the
panel
on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals,
small
businesses and large businesses. The focus of their
discussion was
how
and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy
overall and
create more jobs.

Switch to MSNBC:

Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and
speculating) on
how
the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period.
That's
all
they
were talking about.


Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants
to know
how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this,
what it
will do
to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains
of the
social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and
other
citizen safety laws.


BTW, this wasn't his budget request. It was his proposal for
lowering
taxes. The rich still pay the highest percentage by far. It
really
applies to middle class individuals, Sub-S sorporations and
large
corporations as an incentive to base operations in the USA,
expand and
hire more Americans. A one time tax will apply for those
corporations
with their holdings overseas and then a 15 percent (as
proposed)
tax
thereafter.

This is very good for the economy of the USA.


Really? What about the deficit?

His Treasury guy (forget his name) claims the new tax rates will
produce
something like 5 Trillion in revenues over 5 years. It's a
start.




That's hilarious.


Why's that? I can understand why it could. A robust, growing
economy
is the largest revenue generating source. Taxes aren't even close.


Trump's tax cuts will simply put more money in the hands of the
rich,
weaken the country and further devastate the lower and middle income
families. All that will trickle down is ****.

You best cover your head, Krause!



Harry's claims are pure BS. His claim that the House and Senate
investigations into Russiagate is being drawn out because the
Republicans chair the committees is pure BS as well.
The Democrats would be screaming bloody murder, especially those on
the
respective committees. None are complaining, probably because they
have
yet to find anything to complain about or report.



The slowdown has been in the news for several days.


Not making headlines that are noticeable. It's probably because the
liberal mantra change from "Russia, Russia, Russia" to "Returns,
Returns, Returns" is still in process.



:Uh huh.

Senate Trump-Russia Probe Has No Full-Time Staff, No Key Witnesses

The Senate Intelligence Committee’s probe into Russia’s election
interference is supposedly the best hope for getting the public credible
answers about whether there was any coordination between the Kremlin and
Trump Tower.

But there are serious reasons to doubt that it can accomplish this task,
as currently configured.

More than three months after the committee announced that it had agreed
on the scope of the investigation, the panel has not begun substantially
investigating possible ties between the Trump campaign and Russia, three
individuals with ties to the committee told The Daily Beast.

The investigation does not have a single staffer dedicated to it
full-time, and those staff members working on it part-time do not have
significant investigative experience. The probe currently appears to be
moving at a pace slower than prior Senate Intelligence Committee
investigations, such as the CIA torture inquiry, which took years to
accomplish.

No interviews have been conducted with key individuals suspected of
being in the Trump-Russia orbit: not Michael Flynn, not Roger Stone, not
Carter Page, not Paul Manafort, and not Jared Kushner, according to two
sources familiar with the committee’s procedures.

http://tinyurl.com/mcvbp6k


Excuses, excuses. How about the FBI investigation? Is Comely dragging
his feet as well?

Hey, did you hear the latest? Rep. Jason Chaffetz announced he will
not seek reelection in 2018 in order to spend more time with his family.

Your hero, Maxine Waters went on the networks speculating that the real
reason is because he's a Russian operative taking orders from the
Kremlin and thinks he is about to be exposed.



I doubt that is the reason Chaffetz is leaving. :)

Amazing reaction to tax announcement
 

On 4/27/2017 7:51 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/27/17 7:43 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 7:35 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 6:10 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 6:04 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 5:17 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 5:11 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 16:39:57 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/26/17 4:23 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:15 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:04 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 3:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political
announcement or
news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react.

So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax
rates,
the
panel
on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals,
small
businesses and large businesses. The focus of their
discussion was
how
and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy
overall and
create more jobs.

Switch to MSNBC:

Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and
speculating) on
how
the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period.
That's
all
they
were talking about.


Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants
to know
how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this,
what it
will do
to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little
remains
of the
social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and
other
citizen safety laws.


BTW, this wasn't his budget request. It was his proposal for
lowering
taxes. The rich still pay the highest percentage by far. It
really
applies to middle class individuals, Sub-S sorporations and
large
corporations as an incentive to base operations in the USA,
expand and
hire more Americans. A one time tax will apply for those
corporations
with their holdings overseas and then a 15 percent (as
proposed)
tax
thereafter.

This is very good for the economy of the USA.


Really? What about the deficit?

His Treasury guy (forget his name) claims the new tax rates will
produce
something like 5 Trillion in revenues over 5 years. It's a
start.




That's hilarious.


Why's that? I can understand why it could. A robust, growing
economy
is the largest revenue generating source. Taxes aren't even
close.


Trump's tax cuts will simply put more money in the hands of the
rich,
weaken the country and further devastate the lower and middle
income
families. All that will trickle down is ****.

You best cover your head, Krause!



Harry's claims are pure BS. His claim that the House and Senate
investigations into Russiagate is being drawn out because the
Republicans chair the committees is pure BS as well.
The Democrats would be screaming bloody murder, especially those on
the
respective committees. None are complaining, probably because they
have
yet to find anything to complain about or report.



The slowdown has been in the news for several days.


Not making headlines that are noticeable. It's probably because the
liberal mantra change from "Russia, Russia, Russia" to "Returns,
Returns, Returns" is still in process.



:Uh huh.

Senate Trump-Russia Probe Has No Full-Time Staff, No Key Witnesses

The Senate Intelligence Committee’s probe into Russia’s election
interference is supposedly the best hope for getting the public credible
answers about whether there was any coordination between the Kremlin and
Trump Tower.

But there are serious reasons to doubt that it can accomplish this task,
as currently configured.

More than three months after the committee announced that it had agreed
on the scope of the investigation, the panel has not begun substantially
investigating possible ties between the Trump campaign and Russia, three
individuals with ties to the committee told The Daily Beast.

The investigation does not have a single staffer dedicated to it
full-time, and those staff members working on it part-time do not have
significant investigative experience. The probe currently appears to be
moving at a pace slower than prior Senate Intelligence Committee
investigations, such as the CIA torture inquiry, which took years to
accomplish.

No interviews have been conducted with key individuals suspected of
being in the Trump-Russia orbit: not Michael Flynn, not Roger Stone, not
Carter Page, not Paul Manafort, and not Jared Kushner, according to two
sources familiar with the committee’s procedures.

http://tinyurl.com/mcvbp6k


Excuses, excuses. How about the FBI investigation? Is Comely dragging
his feet as well?

Hey, did you hear the latest? Rep. Jason Chaffetz announced he will
not seek reelection in 2018 in order to spend more time with his family.

Your hero, Maxine Waters went on the networks speculating that the real
reason is because he's a Russian operative taking orders from the
Kremlin and thinks he is about to be exposed.



I doubt that is the reason Chaffetz is leaving. :)



Which reason, Chaffetz's or Maxine's?