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On 4/16/2017 12:50 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 19:29:46 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:



We could be a lot closer to winning, if it could be called that, if we had
functional rules of engagement.

Winning is not included in the game plan. We don't even have a plan of
what a win looks like, same as Vietnam.



The goal in Vietnam wasn't to "win". Same in Korea. Trump, to his
credit, has more of a winning attitude as it applies towards terrorists
and it appears he his allowing his military commanders to do what they
need to do without trying to personally micromanage them.

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On 4/16/17 8:27 AM, justan wrote:
Poco Deplorevole Wrote in message:
On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 14:55:11 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 4/15/17 2:42 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 08:21:15 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 4/15/17 7:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/15/2017 1:20 AM, wrote:
The Snooze Press (Ft Myers paper) had an interesting article about
this bomb. It was developed at Eglin AFB in the pan handle and they
were talking to a guy there.
It turns out this is the most expensive barrel bomb I have ever heard
of. These are 16 million a pop. I am not quite sure why you need
precision guidance on a bomb with a 1 mile blast radius but it has it.
I am still not sure why it is so expensive but it is a DoD project.
The guy was saying he really expected these things to be "demilled"
(scrapped) probably because they were approaching their expiration
date. I suppose it was "use it or lose it" for the air force.
I am still not sure how effective it actually was but since it is
really a "shock and awe" weapon, I suppose we shocked someone using
it.
In typical fashion, the russians just packed a bigger tank with
explosive and have a bigger one but I am not sure if it is guided and
I know it was a lot cheaper.



If you believe the Pentagon, it was the perfect weapon for the intended
purpose. Apparently several attempts by Afghan forces (with American
special force advisers) had been made with boots on the ground to clear
the caves and tunnels of ISIS without success. They just ran through
the tunnels into Pakistan. The MOAB took care of that problem.




I read where the bomb killed a couple of dozen people. Big ****ing Deal.
At some point, we'll just pull out of Afghanistan and stop wasting
American lives and American money. Your not-so-almighty military isn't
going to solve it.

Thanks, Krause, I'd predicted the liberals would whine about the cost. Took you a couple days, but
you didn't let me down.



Indeed, Afghanistan isn't worth the price of another American soldier's
life...unless, of course, it would be your life.
As for the dollars we are wasting there, there is better use for them at
home, rebuilding this crumbling country.

It's so funny. You weren't spouting your crap a few years back.


Thats because president towel head was surrendering to every
little african and middle eastern country he could. He was
emptying our treasury as fast as he could. He was building an
army of homeless and medicaid dependant. He was trashing the
constitution. He and his extended family and friends were taking
exotic vacations around the world. Life was good for president
towel head and Harry cheered him on only because he was
black.



I'm no longer astonished by how utterly stupid you have to be to be a
Republican supporter of Donald Trump.

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On 4/16/17 8:37 AM, justan wrote:
Wrote in message:
On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 14:44:35 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/15/2017 2:18 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 13:51:30 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Come on Greg. A WWII vintage 5-inch shell or ammo for a .45 isn't the
same as a $15M bomb (not counting development costs) that undergoes
regular updating for improvements. We only built 15 of them. They
aren't "throwaways". Geeze.

Since when has DoD cared about the cost of things they throw away?
If it really has TNT in it, it certainly has a ticking clock. (I still
bet it is a mix of RDX and ammonium nitrate)


I don't know and you don't know. You are "betting".

I am sure a few minutes poking around and you could find a more
knowledgable article than Time magazine and they would tell you the
explosive. These are still just blunt force weapons and there is no
reason to keep the filler secret.

There are strict rules about classes of ordinance and what is service
ready, training or trash, based on the age. They know nothing lasts
forever. There are certainly expiration dates on ordinance.
The guidance package may actually expire before the bomb, just because
of capacitor degradation. My 20 year old PCs are becoming few and far
between because of that fact alone. I do not have a single socket 7
board that still works.


Heh. You're comparing your 20 year old PC with a mil-spec guidance
system that is subject to regular upgrades?

Maybe you have forgotten some of your USCG days Greg. The military
doesn't just store away equipment in a storage shed for 20 years in
case they may need it someday. Each branch of the services has a
"Planned Maintenance Program" for virtually *everything* they use or
have in inventory. Regular tests are done, some weekly, some monthly,
some annually depending on what the equipment is and there are specific
requirements the equipment must meet. If they don't they are repaired,
if the repair is not economically feasible there is a complex procedure
for retiring it and taking it off the books.

The Planned Maintenance Program also deals with scheduled upgrades and
improvements as they become available.

In the case of the actual ordinance, the "plan" is you throw the old
stuff away. Ammo, explosives and the fuzes degrade chemically and
there is no "fixing" that.
A agree the guidance package might get "fixed" but that fix is
probably throw away all of the cards and install new ones.
The world of electronics has changed a lot since we were soldering
parts in on the ship. If they still fixed things, I might still be at
IBM. ;-)


Thats a dumb plan. Throwing away potentially good explosive
devices. The old stuff still can be dropped and cause blunt force
trauma even if the explosive
fails. Waste not want
not.



That must be why you work so hard here to remain in an undisclosed
location in the witless protection plan.

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I'm no longer astonished by how utterly stupid you have to be to be a
Republican supporter of Donald Trump.
.....


And who was it you were wanting me to vote for?
Looks like you were a Democrat supporter of Donald Trump, Harry.

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Tim wrote:
I'm no longer astonished by how utterly stupid you have to be to be a
Republican supporter of Donald Trump.
....


And who was it you were wanting me to vote for?
Looks like you were a Democrat supporter of Donald Trump, Harry.


Another moron heard from.

--
Posted with my iPhone 7+.

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7:48 AMKeyser Söze
- hide quoted text -
Tim wrote:
I'm no longer astonished by how utterly stupid you have to be to be a
Republican supporter of Donald Trump.
....


And who was it you were wanting me to vote for?
Looks like you were a Democrat supporter of Donald Trump, Harry.


Another moron heard from.

--
Posted with my iPhone 7+.
......

So I'm a moron for speaking the truth.
Hmmm...

Really Harry. You did more to support trump than you'll ever realize.

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On 4/16/2017 7:29 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 00:48:27 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 14:57:32 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/15/2017 2:24 PM, wrote:

Huh? there is nothing about the size of a conventional explosive in
the Hague conventions.
I am also not sure where the Assad connection is other than any bomb
is fairly indiscriminate and a bomb with a 1 mile blast radius more so
that others.
Why is "guided" so important with a bomb like that which is dropped
from low altitude and makes such a big hole? Guided is important with
little bombs. Big bombs, not so much. It is like when Tibbets was so
concerned with hitting one particular bridge when the whole city was
going to be in the fire ball.



Much more recent than the Hague conventions Greg and much more complex.
Barrel bombs were addressed in the UN as recently as 2014, directly as a
result of the Syrian Civil War. In order to lawfully used, they must
have a direct military objective with ... and this is important ...
"proportional" potential of civilian death or injury. What is
proportional really isn't spelled out but the risk of collateral damage
using a barrel bomb is significantly higher than that of a precision
guided bomb. Use of a barrel bomb on civilian populated areas, even if
there are military objectives is banned and against international law.

There is more to using precision guided ordnance than just hitting the
target. Precision guided ordnance also reduces the risk of collateral
damage.

You really drank the Kool Ade on that one. This is a bomb with a one
mile blast radius and dropped from low altitude, even a gravity bomb
can reliably land on a football field.



If you're looking for maximum damage on a given cave or set of caves, you want the impact *on* that
cave or set, not a quarter mile away. Do you not think the force of an explosion is reduced as the
distance from the impact increases?

Exponentially.

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On 4/16/17 8:51 AM, Tim wrote:
So I'm a moron for speaking the truth.

So, you are a moron for missing the point...again and again and again
and again, ad infinitum.

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On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 8:10:08 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/16/17 8:51 AM, Tim wrote:
So I'm a moron for speaking the truth.

So, you are a moron for missing the point...again and again and again
and again, ad infinitum.

What point are you trying to make? That you couldn't explain why one should vote for Mrs. Mao, and now you're sore because Mrs. Mao didn't make it to the White House?

That point is obvious.

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On 4/16/2017 9:10 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/16/17 8:51 AM, Tim wrote:
So I'm a moron for speaking the truth.

So, you are a moron for missing the point...again and again and again
and again, ad infinitum.


I don't know what "point" you are referring to but generally a point
must be valid in order to miss it.

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On 4/16/17 9:16 AM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 8:10:08 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/16/17 8:51 AM, Tim wrote:
So I'm a moron for speaking the truth.

So, you are a moron for missing the point...again and again and again
and again, ad infinitum.

What point are you trying to make? That you couldn't explain why one should vote for Mrs. Mao, and now you're sore because Mrs. Mao didn't make it to the White House?

That point is obvious.


And again and again and again, ad nauseum...

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On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 09:20:57 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

I think the solution lies with the muslim world. We're not getting the
kind of help or leadership from any of the Muslim countries that we
need.

===

You're absolutely right about that. Pakistan is arguably one of the
more advanced Muslim countries and they're still stoning people to
death for blasphemy.

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wrote:
On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 18:06:45 -0400,
wrote:

My computers do not exude an explosive goo.

===

Yet.

Have you ever seen an old electrolytic capacitor blow up? One of my
childhood acquaintances had one go right through the ceiling.

If you look at the capacitors in a PC, you will see they have an X cut
in the top of the can. They just pop open like a dinner roll instead
of exploding. The guys who still fix these things start right away by
replacing all of the capacitors or at least the ones that show any
sign of swelling or cracking open. These are hobbyists, not business
people.


Best capacitor I ever saw explode was one evening in the dark in a traffic
jam and the huge capacitor on a power pole next to the freeway went off
like a Roman candle, just happened to be looking in the correct direction.
Impressive,

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On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 07:51:30 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Winning is not included in the game plan. We don't even have a plan of
what a win looks like, same as Vietnam.



The goal in Vietnam wasn't to "win". Same in Korea.

Why would we send our kids into a war we had no plans of winning?

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On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 08:05:49 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Man, I almost spilled a mouthful of coffee onto my keyboard. Our
military leaders are not going to defeat these determined "religious"
fighters. Their cells are highly mobile and can spring up anywhere and
wreak havoc. If by some miracle our forces chased ISIS out of where it
is now, it'll just re-emerge Phoenix-like, somewhere else.

I could **** you off right away and make you a hawk if I pointed out
why we have any interest in the middle east at all. It certainly is
not oil.

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On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 10:42:15 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 08:05:49 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Man, I almost spilled a mouthful of coffee onto my keyboard. Our
military leaders are not going to defeat these determined "religious"
fighters. Their cells are highly mobile and can spring up anywhere and
wreak havoc. If by some miracle our forces chased ISIS out of where it
is now, it'll just re-emerge Phoenix-like, somewhere else.

I could **** you off right away and make you a hawk if I pointed out
why we have any interest in the middle east at all. It certainly is
not oil.

Maybe it's just simple humanitarianism.

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On 4/16/2017 10:42 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 08:05:49 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Man, I almost spilled a mouthful of coffee onto my keyboard. Our
military leaders are not going to defeat these determined "religious"
fighters. Their cells are highly mobile and can spring up anywhere and
wreak havoc. If by some miracle our forces chased ISIS out of where it
is now, it'll just re-emerge Phoenix-like, somewhere else.

I could **** you off right away and make you a hawk if I pointed out
why we have any interest in the middle east at all. It certainly is
not oil.



Yeah. That was a myth quickly de-bunked.

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On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 10:39:44 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 07:51:30 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Winning is not included in the game plan. We don't even have a plan of
what a win looks like, same as Vietnam.



The goal in Vietnam wasn't to "win". Same in Korea.

Why would we send our kids into a war we had no plans of winning?

For humanitarian reasons?

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On 4/16/17 12:49 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 10:39:44 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 07:51:30 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Winning is not included in the game plan. We don't even have a plan of
what a win looks like, same as Vietnam.



The goal in Vietnam wasn't to "win". Same in Korea.

Why would we send our kids into a war we had no plans of winning?

For humanitarian reasons?


We helped kill a million asians for humanitarians reasons, eh?

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On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 08:35:36 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 4/16/17 8:27 AM, justan wrote:
Poco Deplorevole Wrote in message:
On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 14:55:11 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 4/15/17 2:42 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 08:21:15 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 4/15/17 7:40 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/15/2017 1:20 AM, wrote:
The Snooze Press (Ft Myers paper) had an interesting article about
this bomb. It was developed at Eglin AFB in the pan handle and they
were talking to a guy there.
It turns out this is the most expensive barrel bomb I have ever heard
of. These are 16 million a pop. I am not quite sure why you need
precision guidance on a bomb with a 1 mile blast radius but it has it.
I am still not sure why it is so expensive but it is a DoD project.
The guy was saying he really expected these things to be "demilled"
(scrapped) probably because they were approaching their expiration
date. I suppose it was "use it or lose it" for the air force.
I am still not sure how effective it actually was but since it is
really a "shock and awe" weapon, I suppose we shocked someone using
it.
In typical fashion, the russians just packed a bigger tank with
explosive and have a bigger one but I am not sure if it is guided and
I know it was a lot cheaper.



If you believe the Pentagon, it was the perfect weapon for the intended
purpose. Apparently several attempts by Afghan forces (with American
special force advisers) had been made with boots on the ground to clear
the caves and tunnels of ISIS without success. They just ran through
the tunnels into Pakistan. The MOAB took care of that problem.




I read where the bomb killed a couple of dozen people. Big ****ing Deal.
At some point, we'll just pull out of Afghanistan and stop wasting
American lives and American money. Your not-so-almighty military isn't
going to solve it.

Thanks, Krause, I'd predicted the liberals would whine about the cost. Took you a couple days, but
you didn't let me down.



Indeed, Afghanistan isn't worth the price of another American soldier's
life...unless, of course, it would be your life.
As for the dollars we are wasting there, there is better use for them at
home, rebuilding this crumbling country.

It's so funny. You weren't spouting your crap a few years back.


Thats because president towel head was surrendering to every
little african and middle eastern country he could. He was
emptying our treasury as fast as he could. He was building an
army of homeless and medicaid dependant. He was trashing the
constitution. He and his extended family and friends were taking
exotic vacations around the world. Life was good for president
towel head and Harry cheered him on only because he was
black.



I'm no longer astonished by how utterly stupid you have to be to be a
Republican supporter of Donald Trump.

Again, why were you not spouting your crap when your hero was in office. All he ever did was good,
eh? Justan's comments above are spot on, regardless of your name-calling - which, BTW, is the
typical liberal out when backed into a corner.

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On 4/16/2017 12:44 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 10:42:15 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 08:05:49 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Man, I almost spilled a mouthful of coffee onto my keyboard. Our
military leaders are not going to defeat these determined "religious"
fighters. Their cells are highly mobile and can spring up anywhere and
wreak havoc. If by some miracle our forces chased ISIS out of where it
is now, it'll just re-emerge Phoenix-like, somewhere else.

I could **** you off right away and make you a hawk if I pointed out
why we have any interest in the middle east at all. It certainly is
not oil.


Maybe it's just simple humanitarianism.



Isn't it odd that the progressive liberals who talk so much about
rights of the downtrodden and oppressed seem to have little concern for
those who live elsewhere in the world.

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On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 09:10:05 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 4/16/17 8:51 AM, Tim wrote:
So I'm a moron for speaking the truth.

So, you are a moron for missing the point...again and again and again
and again, ad infinitum.

He made the point.

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On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 08:37:05 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Wrote in message:
On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 14:44:35 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/15/2017 2:18 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 13:51:30 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Come on Greg. A WWII vintage 5-inch shell or ammo for a .45 isn't the
same as a $15M bomb (not counting development costs) that undergoes
regular updating for improvements. We only built 15 of them. They
aren't "throwaways". Geeze.

Since when has DoD cared about the cost of things they throw away?
If it really has TNT in it, it certainly has a ticking clock. (I still
bet it is a mix of RDX and ammonium nitrate)


I don't know and you don't know. You are "betting".

I am sure a few minutes poking around and you could find a more
knowledgable article than Time magazine and they would tell you the
explosive. These are still just blunt force weapons and there is no
reason to keep the filler secret.

There are strict rules about classes of ordinance and what is service
ready, training or trash, based on the age. They know nothing lasts
forever. There are certainly expiration dates on ordinance.
The guidance package may actually expire before the bomb, just because
of capacitor degradation. My 20 year old PCs are becoming few and far
between because of that fact alone. I do not have a single socket 7
board that still works.


Heh. You're comparing your 20 year old PC with a mil-spec guidance
system that is subject to regular upgrades?

Maybe you have forgotten some of your USCG days Greg. The military
doesn't just store away equipment in a storage shed for 20 years in
case they may need it someday. Each branch of the services has a
"Planned Maintenance Program" for virtually *everything* they use or
have in inventory. Regular tests are done, some weekly, some monthly,
some annually depending on what the equipment is and there are specific
requirements the equipment must meet. If they don't they are repaired,
if the repair is not economically feasible there is a complex procedure
for retiring it and taking it off the books.

The Planned Maintenance Program also deals with scheduled upgrades and
improvements as they become available.

In the case of the actual ordinance, the "plan" is you throw the old
stuff away. Ammo, explosives and the fuzes degrade chemically and
there is no "fixing" that.
A agree the guidance package might get "fixed" but that fix is
probably throw away all of the cards and install new ones.
The world of electronics has changed a lot since we were soldering
parts in on the ship. If they still fixed things, I might still be at
IBM. ;-)


Thats a dumb plan. Throwing away potentially good explosive
devices. The old stuff still can be dropped and cause blunt force
trauma even if the explosivefails. Waste not want
not.

I'm thinking his 'old stuff' was *accidentally* left to begin 'oozing'. The Army, at least the units
I was in, would use the older ammo for training as opposed to dumping it in the sea. I can't believe
the Coast Guard would purposely let ammo get so old it began 'oozing' unless someone f'ed up big
time.

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On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 08:39:08 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 4/16/17 8:37 AM, justan wrote:
Wrote in message:
On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 14:44:35 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/15/2017 2:18 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 13:51:30 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Come on Greg. A WWII vintage 5-inch shell or ammo for a .45 isn't the
same as a $15M bomb (not counting development costs) that undergoes
regular updating for improvements. We only built 15 of them. They
aren't "throwaways". Geeze.

Since when has DoD cared about the cost of things they throw away?
If it really has TNT in it, it certainly has a ticking clock. (I still
bet it is a mix of RDX and ammonium nitrate)


I don't know and you don't know. You are "betting".

I am sure a few minutes poking around and you could find a more
knowledgable article than Time magazine and they would tell you the
explosive. These are still just blunt force weapons and there is no
reason to keep the filler secret.

There are strict rules about classes of ordinance and what is service
ready, training or trash, based on the age. They know nothing lasts
forever. There are certainly expiration dates on ordinance.
The guidance package may actually expire before the bomb, just because
of capacitor degradation. My 20 year old PCs are becoming few and far
between because of that fact alone. I do not have a single socket 7
board that still works.


Heh. You're comparing your 20 year old PC with a mil-spec guidance
system that is subject to regular upgrades?

Maybe you have forgotten some of your USCG days Greg. The military
doesn't just store away equipment in a storage shed for 20 years in
case they may need it someday. Each branch of the services has a
"Planned Maintenance Program" for virtually *everything* they use or
have in inventory. Regular tests are done, some weekly, some monthly,
some annually depending on what the equipment is and there are specific
requirements the equipment must meet. If they don't they are repaired,
if the repair is not economically feasible there is a complex procedure
for retiring it and taking it off the books.

The Planned Maintenance Program also deals with scheduled upgrades and
improvements as they become available.

In the case of the actual ordinance, the "plan" is you throw the old
stuff away. Ammo, explosives and the fuzes degrade chemically and
there is no "fixing" that.
A agree the guidance package might get "fixed" but that fix is
probably throw away all of the cards and install new ones.
The world of electronics has changed a lot since we were soldering
parts in on the ship. If they still fixed things, I might still be at
IBM. ;-)


Thats a dumb plan. Throwing away potentially good explosive
devices. The old stuff still can be dropped and cause blunt force
trauma even if the explosive
fails. Waste not want
not.



That must be why you work so hard here to remain in an undisclosed
location in the witless protection plan.

Ah, the problem of empty cells in your data base, eh Krause?

If I've told you once, I've told you a dozen times...tell me what you need to know and I'll help you
out!

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On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 10:24:06 -0400,
wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 09:20:57 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

I think the solution lies with the muslim world. We're not getting the
kind of help or leadership from any of the Muslim countries that we
need.

===

You're absolutely right about that. Pakistan is arguably one of the
more advanced Muslim countries and they're still stoning people to
death for blasphemy.

So what? Why do we care what they do in their own country? There are
plenty of western europeans who think we are barbarians too.

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On 4/16/2017 11:11 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 4/16/17 10:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


I don't like *any* organized religion, though some seem more tolerable
(less hate-filled and warlike than others).



Well, an Islamic fundamentalist who believes in extreme Sharia Law isn't
going to just accept a "no thanks" should he come knocking on your
door. Maybe that's why you have such an interest in firearms?

Not realistic right now of course, but it is possible someday if we
don't pay attention now.




We have an extended muslim family down the street, a physician, sons,
daughters, grandkids. The physician was the guy who sold the land for
our little subdivision to the builder. He also helped raise the funds
for the mosque, which is across the street from our community hospital,
where, before he retired, he was chief of medicine. I've talked to him
and his family members many times over the years, and not once have any
of them brought up religion.

What does your extended muslim family down the street have to do with
anything we are talking about? We have a local business owned by
Muslims in our area as well. My wife and I frequent their store almost
daily and I don't even think of the fact that they are Muslim.

We were talking about radical Islamic terrorists who subscribe to a
fundamentalist interpretation of Sharia Law and have, as an objective,
the conversion or death of those with other beliefs on the planet.
You've heard of them. They cut off your head if you won't convert.

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On 4/16/2017 10:39 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 07:51:30 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Winning is not included in the game plan. We don't even have a plan of
what a win looks like, same as Vietnam.



The goal in Vietnam wasn't to "win". Same in Korea.

Why would we send our kids into a war we had no plans of winning?



Ask Truman and LBJ.

Both Bushs learned the lessons of Vietnam. Once a decision was made to
wage a war, it was done so in a manner to win. Harry will yak about
third rate armies, but a Russian tank is a tank regardless and Saddam
had a bunch of them.

Both excursions into Iraq weren't even close in terms of "not winning".

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On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 12:52:01 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 4/16/2017 12:44 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 10:42:15 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 08:05:49 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Man, I almost spilled a mouthful of coffee onto my keyboard. Our
military leaders are not going to defeat these determined "religious"
fighters. Their cells are highly mobile and can spring up anywhere and
wreak havoc. If by some miracle our forces chased ISIS out of where it
is now, it'll just re-emerge Phoenix-like, somewhere else.

I could **** you off right away and make you a hawk if I pointed out
why we have any interest in the middle east at all. It certainly is
not oil.


Maybe it's just simple humanitarianism.



Isn't it odd that the progressive liberals who talk so much about
rights of the downtrodden and oppressed seem to have little concern for
those who live elsewhere in the world.

Yup.

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On 4/16/2017 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 08:37:05 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Thats a dumb plan. Throwing away potentially good explosive
devices. The old stuff still can be dropped and cause blunt force
trauma even if the explosivefails. Waste not want
not.


It may be a dumb plan but it is how the military operates. This comes
down to chemistry more than politics. Explosives definitely have a
shelf life and beyond that they become unreliable. They may just be
less effective but they can also become more sensitive and that is a
worse problem. The exudate that oozes out of shells loaded with TNT
can be very dangerous.
Military explosives generally have longer shelf lives than commercial
explosives but that is simply more than a few years out to 20 or so.


You keep saying that and I don't disagree with you when it comes to
cheap, WWII era ordnance or .45 rounds that you apparently had some
experience in disposing of in 1965. But, what makes you think or what
evidence do you have that today, 52 years later (half a century) that
the same policy exists for $15M a pop weapons?

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On 4/16/17 12:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/16/2017 12:44 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 10:42:15 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 08:05:49 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Man, I almost spilled a mouthful of coffee onto my keyboard. Our
military leaders are not going to defeat these determined "religious"
fighters. Their cells are highly mobile and can spring up anywhere and
wreak havoc. If by some miracle our forces chased ISIS out of where it
is now, it'll just re-emerge Phoenix-like, somewhere else.

I could **** you off right away and make you a hawk if I pointed out
why we have any interest in the middle east at all. It certainly is
not oil.


Maybe it's just simple humanitarianism.



Isn't it odd that the progressive liberals who talk so much about
rights of the downtrodden and oppressed seem to have little concern for
those who live elsewhere in the world.

Yeah, we're making a big change in the lives of those Syrians, the ones
who are not good enough to be rescued and brought here after vetting.

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On 4/16/17 12:52 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 09:10:05 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 4/16/17 8:51 AM, Tim wrote:
So I'm a moron for speaking the truth.

So, you are a moron for missing the point...again and again and again
and again, ad infinitum.

He made the point.


You righties stick together like mounds of ****.

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On 4/16/2017 1:22 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/16/17 12:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/16/2017 12:44 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 10:42:15 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 08:05:49 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Man, I almost spilled a mouthful of coffee onto my keyboard. Our
military leaders are not going to defeat these determined "religious"
fighters. Their cells are highly mobile and can spring up anywhere and
wreak havoc. If by some miracle our forces chased ISIS out of where it
is now, it'll just re-emerge Phoenix-like, somewhere else.

I could **** you off right away and make you a hawk if I pointed out
why we have any interest in the middle east at all. It certainly is
not oil.


Maybe it's just simple humanitarianism.



Isn't it odd that the progressive liberals who talk so much about
rights of the downtrodden and oppressed seem to have little concern for
those who live elsewhere in the world.




Yeah, we're making a big change in the lives of those Syrians, the ones
who are not good enough to be rescued and brought here after vetting.

What makes you think Syrians *want* to be rescued and brought here?
Those I've seen interviewed (and I acknowledge it's a small sampling)
*don't* want to be relocated. They want to stay and live their lives in
Syria. The ones I've seen interviewed have been very grateful for
recent actions by the USA and are begging for it to continue.

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On 4/16/17 1:29 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/16/2017 1:22 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/16/17 12:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/16/2017 12:44 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 10:42:15 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 08:05:49 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Man, I almost spilled a mouthful of coffee onto my keyboard. Our
military leaders are not going to defeat these determined "religious"
fighters. Their cells are highly mobile and can spring up anywhere
and
wreak havoc. If by some miracle our forces chased ISIS out of
where it
is now, it'll just re-emerge Phoenix-like, somewhere else.

I could **** you off right away and make you a hawk if I pointed out
why we have any interest in the middle east at all. It certainly is
not oil.


Maybe it's just simple humanitarianism.



Isn't it odd that the progressive liberals who talk so much about
rights of the downtrodden and oppressed seem to have little concern for
those who live elsewhere in the world.




Yeah, we're making a big change in the lives of those Syrians, the ones
who are not good enough to be rescued and brought here after vetting.

What makes you think Syrians *want* to be rescued and brought here?
Those I've seen interviewed (and I acknowledge it's a small sampling)
*don't* want to be relocated. They want to stay and live their lives in
Syria. The ones I've seen interviewed have been very grateful for
recent actions by the USA and are begging for it to continue.


Nice deflection...you are so far up Trump's ass you can't see daylight.

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On 4/16/2017 1:02 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 10:24:06 -0400,
wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 09:20:57 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

I think the solution lies with the muslim world. We're not getting the
kind of help or leadership from any of the Muslim countries that we
need.

===

You're absolutely right about that. Pakistan is arguably one of the
more advanced Muslim countries and they're still stoning people to
death for blasphemy.



So what? Why do we care what they do in their own country? There are
plenty of western europeans who think we are barbarians too.

I have to chuckle sometimes Greg but your comment (above) is why your
Libertarian Party candidates will never stand a chance of being POTUS.

Most people are horrified to see a woman being buried up to her neck in
dirt and then stoned to death by her community ... often including her
husband ... for suspicion of having an adulterous affair or making a
blasphemous statement of Islam.

Even Rand Paul, technically a Republican but with very strong
Libertarian views, has a softer heart than that.

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On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 13:29:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 4/16/2017 1:22 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/16/17 12:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/16/2017 12:44 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 10:42:15 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 08:05:49 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Man, I almost spilled a mouthful of coffee onto my keyboard. Our
military leaders are not going to defeat these determined "religious"
fighters. Their cells are highly mobile and can spring up anywhere and
wreak havoc. If by some miracle our forces chased ISIS out of where it
is now, it'll just re-emerge Phoenix-like, somewhere else.

I could **** you off right away and make you a hawk if I pointed out
why we have any interest in the middle east at all. It certainly is
not oil.


Maybe it's just simple humanitarianism.



Isn't it odd that the progressive liberals who talk so much about
rights of the downtrodden and oppressed seem to have little concern for
those who live elsewhere in the world.




Yeah, we're making a big change in the lives of those Syrians, the ones
who are not good enough to be rescued and brought here after vetting.

What makes you think Syrians *want* to be rescued and brought here?
Those I've seen interviewed (and I acknowledge it's a small sampling)
*don't* want to be relocated. They want to stay and live their lives in
Syria. The ones I've seen interviewed have been very grateful for
recent actions by the USA and are begging for it to continue.

Apparently he refuses to watch a CNN video that might prove him a tad wrong.

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On 4/16/2017 1:34 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/16/17 1:29 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/16/2017 1:22 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/16/17 12:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/16/2017 12:44 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 10:42:15 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 08:05:49 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Man, I almost spilled a mouthful of coffee onto my keyboard. Our
military leaders are not going to defeat these determined
"religious"
fighters. Their cells are highly mobile and can spring up anywhere
and
wreak havoc. If by some miracle our forces chased ISIS out of
where it
is now, it'll just re-emerge Phoenix-like, somewhere else.

I could **** you off right away and make you a hawk if I pointed out
why we have any interest in the middle east at all. It certainly is
not oil.


Maybe it's just simple humanitarianism.



Isn't it odd that the progressive liberals who talk so much about
rights of the downtrodden and oppressed seem to have little concern
for
those who live elsewhere in the world.




Yeah, we're making a big change in the lives of those Syrians, the ones
who are not good enough to be rescued and brought here after vetting.

What makes you think Syrians *want* to be rescued and brought here?
Those I've seen interviewed (and I acknowledge it's a small sampling)
*don't* want to be relocated. They want to stay and live their lives in
Syria. The ones I've seen interviewed have been very grateful for
recent actions by the USA and are begging for it to continue.


Nice deflection...you are so far up Trump's ass you can't see daylight.


Every word I typed was true and I don't see it as a deflection at all.

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On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 13:22:55 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 4/16/17 12:52 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 09:10:05 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 4/16/17 8:51 AM, Tim wrote:
So I'm a moron for speaking the truth.

So, you are a moron for missing the point...again and again and again
and again, ad infinitum.

He made the point.


You righties stick together like mounds of ****.

Nothing immature about that, right?

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On 4/16/17 1:56 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 13:22:55 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 4/16/17 12:52 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 09:10:05 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 4/16/17 8:51 AM, Tim wrote:
So I'm a moron for speaking the truth.

So, you are a moron for missing the point...again and again and again
and again, ad infinitum.

He made the point.


You righties stick together like mounds of ****.

Nothing immature about that, right?


When the subject under discussion is right wing mounds of **** like you,
there's no bottom rung in describing you.

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On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 1:03:17 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 10:24:06 -0400,
wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 09:20:57 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

I think the solution lies with the muslim world. We're not getting the
kind of help or leadership from any of the Muslim countries that we
need.

===

You're absolutely right about that. Pakistan is arguably one of the
more advanced Muslim countries and they're still stoning people to
death for blasphemy.

So what? Why do we care what they do in their own country? There are
plenty of western europeans who think we are barbarians too.

I can't believe you said that.

Why? For the same reason you'd get ****ed if the guy across the street from you was kicking the **** out of his dog!

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On 4/16/2017 2:00 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 1:03:17 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 10:24:06 -0400,
wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 09:20:57 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

I think the solution lies with the muslim world. We're not getting the
kind of help or leadership from any of the Muslim countries that we
need.

===

You're absolutely right about that. Pakistan is arguably one of the
more advanced Muslim countries and they're still stoning people to
death for blasphemy.




So what? Why do we care what they do in their own country? There are
plenty of western europeans who think we are barbarians too.

I can't believe you said that.

Why? For the same reason you'd get ****ed if the guy across the street from you was kicking the **** out of his dog!


I found Greg's comment a bit weird also. I don't think he really
believes it and would be very disappointed if he did. He's a better man
than that despite his Libertarian ways. :-)