thunder wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:45:55 -0400, NOYB wrote:


And Joe has Republican capitalists to thank for providing everything that
he consumed in his day. Without them, he'd have picked his own fruits and
berries when he got up that morning...that is, if he survived without the
medications he needs.

So that's what a Republican capitalist does, and all this time I thought
it was migrant workers who picked all those fruits and berries.
+

Naw. Read or watch the Grapes of Wrath. The Republicans own the orchards
and exploit the pickers. They did then, and they still do.


--
A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush;
A vote for Bush is a vote for Apocalypse.

On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:43:04 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

The Republicans own the orchards
and exploit the pickers.

===============================

So why don't the pickers find another occupation or strike for higher
wages?

Better yet, why don't the pickers get together, save some money, buy some
land, plant some trees, and start their own orchard? Oh yes, I guess it's
because then they would be the "evil" bosses, who provide jobs for the poor
"little people".


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:43:04 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

The Republicans own the orchards
and exploit the pickers.

===============================

So why don't the pickers find another occupation or strike for higher
wages?

"Stanley Barthfarkle" wrote in message
. ..
Better yet, why don't the pickers get together, save some money, buy some
land, plant some trees, and start their own orchard? Oh yes, I guess it's
because then they would be the "evil" bosses, who provide jobs for the
poor
"little people".

Because they are all here illegally, and so far, we're not STUPID enough to
give them federal loans. But soon we will be, if KERRY gets in, and then
we'll FORGIVE the loans as well. Dumb and dumber...Kerry and Edwards.
Actually, Kerry worked for his money, chasing ambulances.

Another mis-informed... Pity

"MEN" wrote in message
...
Actually, Kerry worked for his money, chasing ambulances.

"MEN" wrote in message ...
"Stanley Barthfarkle" wrote in message
. ..
Better yet, why don't the pickers get together, save some money, buy some
land, plant some trees, and start their own orchard? Oh yes, I guess it's
because then they would be the "evil" bosses, who provide jobs for the
poor
"little people".

Because they are all here illegally, and so far, we're not STUPID enough to
give them federal loans. But soon we will be, if KERRY gets in, and then
we'll FORGIVE the loans as well. Dumb and dumber...Kerry and Edwards.
Actually, Kerry worked for his money, chasing ambulances.

Ah, so it's quite all right for the republican orchard owners to
exploit the workers, but your just dumb if you want them to have any
rights or priveleges, huh?

Stanley,
Probably because they don't have the resources to take the average five
years of loss before a startup business becomes profitable. Most have to eat
in the mean time and have a hard time affording that.
Paul

"Stanley Barthfarkle" wrote in message
. ..
Better yet, why don't the pickers get together, save some money, buy some
land, plant some trees, and start their own orchard? Oh yes, I guess it's
because then they would be the "evil" bosses, who provide jobs for the
poor
"little people".


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:43:04 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

The Republicans own the orchards
and exploit the pickers.

===============================

So why don't the pickers find another occupation or strike for higher
wages?

Probably because they don't have the resources to take the average
five
years of loss before a startup business becomes profitable. Most have to
eat
in the mean time and have a hard time affording that.
Paul

I see, so the folks who manage to save enough money to cover their startup
costs; who work 18 hour days to get the business going; who sacrifice their
time and social life for years; who risk all that they own over lawsuits or
market trends- these folks don't deserve to make a healthy profit from their
business? How about if that handsome profit goes to purchase new equipment
(boosting the manufacturing sector), hire more workers (providing income for
those who are willing to work), and boost their own income (raising the tax
base and local cash flow, "churning" the money to support other businesses
and employees) ?

It's an interesting view that you have, Paul. Most of us who were born with
nothing end up with whatever we've earned. No one owes us anything. Nada.
Not a nickel. The only person that I was taught to count on is myself, and I
have a very trustworthy partner to that end.


This is the recipe for success in business:

--The drive to succeed.
--The spiritual or moral fortitude to be self-reliant.
--The spiritual or moral fortitude to be charitable once successful. (and
not by force or taxation- by choice) Can you say "Carnegie Foundation" or
"Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation", etc? I knew that you could...
--The courage to take risks- both monetary and personal.
--The vision to realize what you're good at, and surround yourself with
people who are better at it.
--The perseverence to weather hard times, long hours, and personal
sacrifices to help build a business that not only supports you and your
family, but also provides jobs for your workers, taxes to support local
government, and benefits your suppliers (and their employees, etc, etc) and
society as a whole.


There is a reason why an "entry level" job doesn't pay much- because it
doesn't require specialized training, experience, or tremendous talent to
master. Most of us build upon our experience in an "entry level" job by
moving on to better and better jobs, once we've gained the experience and
training afforded us by the previous job. Those who complain about not
"making enough" in an entry level job either don't understand how to build a
career, or feel that they are somehow "entitled" to a larger income simply
because they see other folks making more.


Looking forward to your Leftist rant, Paul.

Stanley,
My leftist rant? For starters I never disputed or stated otherwise from
what you posted below. I pretty much agree with what you posted. I did
answer, in my opinion, why the fruit pickers couldn't start their own
business. Why do you so venomously disagree with my answer? Workers wouldn't
be anything without employers nor would employers be anything without
employees (unless you're a one person operation). We should give as much
help, as we can afford, to give the opportunity for all employees to become
employers for just the reasons you state.
Paul

"Stanley Barthfarkle" wrote in message
. ..
Probably because they don't have the resources to take the average
five
years of loss before a startup business becomes profitable. Most have to
eat
in the mean time and have a hard time affording that.
Paul

I see, so the folks who manage to save enough money to cover their startup
costs; who work 18 hour days to get the business going; who sacrifice
their
time and social life for years; who risk all that they own over lawsuits
or
market trends- these folks don't deserve to make a healthy profit from
their
business? How about if that handsome profit goes to purchase new equipment
(boosting the manufacturing sector), hire more workers (providing income
for
those who are willing to work), and boost their own income (raising the
tax
base and local cash flow, "churning" the money to support other businesses
and employees) ?

It's an interesting view that you have, Paul. Most of us who were born
with
nothing end up with whatever we've earned. No one owes us anything. Nada.
Not a nickel. The only person that I was taught to count on is myself, and
I
have a very trustworthy partner to that end.


This is the recipe for success in business:

--The drive to succeed.
--The spiritual or moral fortitude to be self-reliant.
--The spiritual or moral fortitude to be charitable once successful. (and
not by force or taxation- by choice) Can you say "Carnegie Foundation" or
"Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation", etc? I knew that you could...
--The courage to take risks- both monetary and personal.
--The vision to realize what you're good at, and surround yourself with
people who are better at it.
--The perseverence to weather hard times, long hours, and personal
sacrifices to help build a business that not only supports you and your
family, but also provides jobs for your workers, taxes to support local
government, and benefits your suppliers (and their employees, etc, etc)
and
society as a whole.


There is a reason why an "entry level" job doesn't pay much- because it
doesn't require specialized training, experience, or tremendous talent to
master. Most of us build upon our experience in an "entry level" job by
moving on to better and better jobs, once we've gained the experience and
training afforded us by the previous job. Those who complain about not
"making enough" in an entry level job either don't understand how to build
a
career, or feel that they are somehow "entitled" to a larger income simply
because they see other folks making more.


Looking forward to your Leftist rant, Paul.