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[email protected] March 13th 17 11:36 PM

Kellyanne, help me out
 
I heard you say my microwave was spying on me but I can't find the
camera or the microphone. Where are they? I want to disable them.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/microwave.jpg

Keyser Soze March 14th 17 01:12 AM

Kellyanne, help me out
 
On 3/13/17 7:36 PM, wrote:
I heard you say my microwave was spying on me but I can't find the
camera or the microphone. Where are they? I want to disable them.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/microwave.jpg


You need a newer model microwave:

http://tinyurl.com/j8sqp6v

[email protected] March 14th 17 01:44 AM

Kellyanne, help me out
 
On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 21:12:09 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/13/17 7:36 PM, wrote:
I heard you say my microwave was spying on me but I can't find the
camera or the microphone. Where are they? I want to disable them.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/microwave.jpg


You need a newer model microwave:

http://tinyurl.com/j8sqp6v


I'm OK with this one, a 1971 Monkey Wards. It is just a magnetron and
a spring wound timer. Not much to break and it gets the job done.

[email protected] March 14th 17 03:00 AM

Kellyanne, help me out
 
On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 19:36:06 -0400, wrote:

I heard you say my microwave was spying on me but I can't find the
camera or the microphone. Where are they? I want to disable them.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/microwave.jpg

===

She was actually half right without realizing it. WiFi operates at
microwave frequencies and has the potential to be a very real home
security threat via connected devices.

Tim March 14th 17 03:03 AM

Kellyanne, help me out
 
On Monday, March 13, 2017 at 8:45:26 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 21:12:09 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/13/17 7:36 PM, wrote:
I heard you say my microwave was spying on me but I can't find the
camera or the microphone. Where are they? I want to disable them.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/microwave.jpg


You need a newer model microwave:

http://tinyurl.com/j8sqp6v


I'm OK with this one, a 1971 Monkey Wards. It is just a magnetron and
a spring wound timer. Not much to break and it gets the job done.


At my shop I have a couple of those bulletproof old beasts. one is just a spring timer and the other has a push button temp set. Popcorn, Sandwich, etc/ I did have my wife's old Amana,but it died. primitive circuit board finally gave out -NLA

[email protected] March 14th 17 03:25 AM

Kellyanne, help me out
 
On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 20:03:10 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, March 13, 2017 at 8:45:26 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 21:12:09 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/13/17 7:36 PM, wrote:
I heard you say my microwave was spying on me but I can't find the
camera or the microphone. Where are they? I want to disable them.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/microwave.jpg


You need a newer model microwave:

http://tinyurl.com/j8sqp6v


I'm OK with this one, a 1971 Monkey Wards. It is just a magnetron and
a spring wound timer. Not much to break and it gets the job done.


At my shop I have a couple of those bulletproof old beasts. one is just a spring timer and the other has a push button temp set. Popcorn, Sandwich, etc/ I did have my wife's old Amana,but it died. primitive circuit board finally gave out -NLA


We used to see a lot of broken microwaves at the IBM shop. Most of the
time it was a bad timer/clock card. The only time they were worth the
price of the part to fix was if it was a built in that matched the
rest of the appliances and a discontinued model. Most of the time,
when we told them what the card cost, they said "throw it away".
We did have a big Amana we used in the shop but I just drilled a hole
through the touch pad and put a 15 minute spring wound timer in there.
It was a little bit of a trick to rewire it so all the interlocks
still worked and it still came on but not that big a trick.


Tim March 14th 17 04:40 AM

Kellyanne, help me out
 
On Monday, March 13, 2017 at 10:25:43 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 20:03:10 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, March 13, 2017 at 8:45:26 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 21:12:09 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/13/17 7:36 PM, wrote:
I heard you say my microwave was spying on me but I can't find the
camera or the microphone. Where are they? I want to disable them.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/microwave.jpg


You need a newer model microwave:

http://tinyurl.com/j8sqp6v

I'm OK with this one, a 1971 Monkey Wards. It is just a magnetron and
a spring wound timer. Not much to break and it gets the job done.


At my shop I have a couple of those bulletproof old beasts. one is just a spring timer and the other has a push button temp set. Popcorn, Sandwich, etc/ I did have my wife's old Amana,but it died. primitive circuit board finally gave out -NLA


We used to see a lot of broken microwaves at the IBM shop. Most of the
time it was a bad timer/clock card. The only time they were worth the
price of the part to fix was if it was a built in that matched the
rest of the appliances and a discontinued model. Most of the time,
when we told them what the card cost, they said "throw it away".
We did have a big Amana we used in the shop but I just drilled a hole
through the touch pad and put a 15 minute spring wound timer in there.
It was a little bit of a trick to rewire it so all the interlocks
still worked and it still came on but not that big a trick.


Hers was a top of the line "radar range" The base glass broke and I bought her a new one that was about 65 bucks in about 1990 Not long after, the circuit went out. that was it's death knell. I think she got it new in about '78 or 9. It was a heavy old beast!

Mr. Luddite March 14th 17 11:12 AM

Kellyanne, help me out
 

On 3/13/17 7:36 PM, wrote:


I heard you say my microwave was spying on me but I can't find the
camera or the microphone. Where are they? I want to disable them.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/microwave.jpg


You need a newer model microwave:

http://tinyurl.com/j8sqp6v



I'm OK with this one, a 1971 Monkey Wards. It is just a magnetron and
a spring wound timer. Not much to break and it gets the job done.


Just stand at least 30 feet away from it when it's running. :-)


Poco Deplorevole March 14th 17 01:23 PM

Kellyanne, help me out
 
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 07:12:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


On 3/13/17 7:36 PM, wrote:


I heard you say my microwave was spying on me but I can't find the
camera or the microphone. Where are they? I want to disable them.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/microwave.jpg


You need a newer model microwave:

http://tinyurl.com/j8sqp6v


I'm OK with this one, a 1971 Monkey Wards. It is just a magnetron and
a spring wound timer. Not much to break and it gets the job done.


Just stand at least 30 feet away from it when it's running. :-)


Hell, he's probably stopped making babies anyway.

Bill[_12_] March 14th 17 04:42 PM

Kellyanne, help me out
 
wrote:
On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 20:03:10 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, March 13, 2017 at 8:45:26 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 21:12:09 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/13/17 7:36 PM, wrote:
I heard you say my microwave was spying on me but I can't find the
camera or the microphone. Where are they? I want to disable them.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/microwave.jpg


You need a newer model microwave:

http://tinyurl.com/j8sqp6v

I'm OK with this one, a 1971 Monkey Wards. It is just a magnetron and
a spring wound timer. Not much to break and it gets the job done.


At my shop I have a couple of those bulletproof old beasts. one is just
a spring timer and the other has a push button temp set. Popcorn,
Sandwich, etc/ I did have my wife's old Amana,but it died. primitive
circuit board finally gave out -NLA


We used to see a lot of broken microwaves at the IBM shop. Most of the
time it was a bad timer/clock card. The only time they were worth the
price of the part to fix was if it was a built in that matched the
rest of the appliances and a discontinued model. Most of the time,
when we told them what the card cost, they said "throw it away".
We did have a big Amana we used in the shop but I just drilled a hole
through the touch pad and put a 15 minute spring wound timer in there.
It was a little bit of a trick to rewire it so all the interlocks
still worked and it still came on but not that big a trick.



I fixed a bunch of airborne radar units, and I think probably only had 1 or
2 magnetrons go bad in 3 years of fixing them. Our units were a lot higher
power and had tubes also. Probably the average on transports was 50kw at a
low duty cycle. But ran for hours at a time.


[email protected] March 14th 17 06:13 PM

Kellyanne, help me out
 
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 07:12:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



I'm OK with this one, a 1971 Monkey Wards. It is just a magnetron and
a spring wound timer. Not much to break and it gets the job done.


Just stand at least 30 feet away from it when it's running. :-)


I bet the shielding on the original ovens is better than today.
They were really afraid of microwaves in the late 60s and the regs
were pretty tight.


[email protected] March 14th 17 06:27 PM

Kellyanne, help me out
 
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 14:13:44 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 07:12:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



I'm OK with this one, a 1971 Monkey Wards. It is just a magnetron and
a spring wound timer. Not much to break and it gets the job done.


Just stand at least 30 feet away from it when it's running. :-)


I bet the shielding on the original ovens is better than today.
They were really afraid of microwaves in the late 60s and the regs
were pretty tight.


===

We have an older microwave oven on the boat, probably 20 years old or
more. It knocks out the WiFi network every time it's on. Our oven at
home is newer and does not usually affect the WiFi at all.

Mr. Luddite March 14th 17 07:03 PM

Kellyanne, help me out
 
On 3/14/2017 2:13 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 07:12:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



I'm OK with this one, a 1971 Monkey Wards. It is just a magnetron and
a spring wound timer. Not much to break and it gets the job done.


Just stand at least 30 feet away from it when it's running. :-)


I bet the shielding on the original ovens is better than today.
They were really afraid of microwaves in the late 60s and the regs
were pretty tight.



I think you would lose the bet.

The allowable leakage spec for a microwave oven in 1969 was 10mw/cm2
Today, the leakage spec is half that ... 5mv/cm2

In 1969, 155 microwave ovens were surveyed in New York, Mississippi, New
Jersey and Massachusetts and tested for leakage. 32 percent of the
155 ovens had leakage in excess of the 10mv/cm2 standard.

It's 46 years old. I doubt it would pass the leakage test, even to the
1969-1970 standards.



Mr. Luddite March 14th 17 07:22 PM

Kellyanne, help me out
 
On 3/14/2017 3:14 PM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 3/14/2017 2:13 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 07:12:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



I'm OK with this one, a 1971 Monkey Wards. It is just a magnetron and
a spring wound timer. Not much to break and it gets the job done.

Just stand at least 30 feet away from it when it's running. :-)

I bet the shielding on the original ovens is better than today.
They were really afraid of microwaves in the late 60s and the regs
were pretty tight.



I think you would lose the bet.

The allowable leakage spec for a microwave oven in 1969 was 10mw/cm2
Today, the leakage spec is half that ... 5mv/cm2

In 1969, 155 microwave ovens were surveyed in New York, Mississippi, New
Jersey and Massachusetts and tested for leakage. 32 percent of the
155 ovens had leakage in excess of the 10mv/cm2 standard.

It's 46 years old. I doubt it would pass the leakage test, even to the
1969-1970 standards.




At this point, what difference does it make? :-)



I am trying to shame the ultimate luddite of rec.boats (Greg) into
springing for a new microwave. After all, he needs to be spied upon too.




[email protected] March 14th 17 07:52 PM

Kellyanne, help me out
 
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 14:27:14 -0400,
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 14:13:44 -0400,
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 07:12:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



I'm OK with this one, a 1971 Monkey Wards. It is just a magnetron and
a spring wound timer. Not much to break and it gets the job done.

Just stand at least 30 feet away from it when it's running. :-)


I bet the shielding on the original ovens is better than today.
They were really afraid of microwaves in the late 60s and the regs
were pretty tight.


===

We have an older microwave oven on the boat, probably 20 years old or
more. It knocks out the WiFi network every time it's on. Our oven at
home is newer and does not usually affect the WiFi at all.


I have never had that but you have me curious. I will give it a shot
later this evening.
Have you looked at the door seals? You still seem to be saying your
oven is 27 years newer than mine, when they had become $99
disposables. I think I paid close to $300 for mine in Nixon dollars

[email protected] March 14th 17 07:54 PM

Kellyanne, help me out
 
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:03:26 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/14/2017 2:13 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 07:12:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



I'm OK with this one, a 1971 Monkey Wards. It is just a magnetron and
a spring wound timer. Not much to break and it gets the job done.

Just stand at least 30 feet away from it when it's running. :-)


I bet the shielding on the original ovens is better than today.
They were really afraid of microwaves in the late 60s and the regs
were pretty tight.



I think you would lose the bet.

The allowable leakage spec for a microwave oven in 1969 was 10mw/cm2
Today, the leakage spec is half that ... 5mv/cm2

In 1969, 155 microwave ovens were surveyed in New York, Mississippi, New
Jersey and Massachusetts and tested for leakage. 32 percent of the
155 ovens had leakage in excess of the 10mv/cm2 standard.

It's 46 years old. I doubt it would pass the leakage test, even to the
1969-1970 standards.


I am going to try Wayne's WiFi test later this evening. I will stream
a movie on my laptop so I will be hitting it hard enough to notice.

[email protected] March 14th 17 07:57 PM

Kellyanne, help me out
 
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:22:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I am trying to shame the ultimate luddite of rec.boats (Greg) into
springing for a new microwave. After all, he needs to be spied upon too.


Until I see a reason, why? This is lightning country. Why add an extra
level of electronics to an appliance that has no need for it?


Mr. Luddite March 14th 17 08:00 PM

Kellyanne, help me out
 
On 3/14/2017 3:57 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:22:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I am trying to shame the ultimate luddite of rec.boats (Greg) into
springing for a new microwave. After all, he needs to be spied upon too.


Until I see a reason, why? This is lightning country. Why add an extra
level of electronics to an appliance that has no need for it?


Well, it's probably leaking and at our ages we need to preserve all the
brain cells we can. :-)



Mr. Luddite March 14th 17 08:08 PM

Kellyanne, help me out
 
On 3/14/2017 3:54 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:03:26 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/14/2017 2:13 PM,
wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 07:12:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



I'm OK with this one, a 1971 Monkey Wards. It is just a magnetron and
a spring wound timer. Not much to break and it gets the job done.

Just stand at least 30 feet away from it when it's running. :-)

I bet the shielding on the original ovens is better than today.
They were really afraid of microwaves in the late 60s and the regs
were pretty tight.



I think you would lose the bet.

The allowable leakage spec for a microwave oven in 1969 was 10mw/cm2
Today, the leakage spec is half that ... 5mv/cm2

In 1969, 155 microwave ovens were surveyed in New York, Mississippi, New
Jersey and Massachusetts and tested for leakage. 32 percent of the
155 ovens had leakage in excess of the 10mv/cm2 standard.

It's 46 years old. I doubt it would pass the leakage test, even to the
1969-1970 standards.


I am going to try Wayne's WiFi test later this evening. I will stream
a movie on my laptop so I will be hitting it hard enough to notice.



There is a very exotic test described on the following link (Method 2)
but Wayne's test is probably just as good. Just make sure your laptop
is sitting in front of the microwave.

I've always been concerned with all the electromagnetic energy we are
exposed to everyday from things like microwaves and especially cell
phones that you hold up to your head when using. You are within the
"near field" (max energy strength) on a cell phone and I just don't
believe that long term exposure is harmless. Texting is probably much
safer.

http://www.wikihow.com/Check-a-Microwave-for-Leaks

[email protected] March 14th 17 08:41 PM

Kellyanne, help me out
 
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 16:08:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/14/2017 3:54 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:03:26 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/14/2017 2:13 PM,
wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 07:12:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



I'm OK with this one, a 1971 Monkey Wards. It is just a magnetron and
a spring wound timer. Not much to break and it gets the job done.

Just stand at least 30 feet away from it when it's running. :-)

I bet the shielding on the original ovens is better than today.
They were really afraid of microwaves in the late 60s and the regs
were pretty tight.



I think you would lose the bet.

The allowable leakage spec for a microwave oven in 1969 was 10mw/cm2
Today, the leakage spec is half that ... 5mv/cm2

In 1969, 155 microwave ovens were surveyed in New York, Mississippi, New
Jersey and Massachusetts and tested for leakage. 32 percent of the
155 ovens had leakage in excess of the 10mv/cm2 standard.

It's 46 years old. I doubt it would pass the leakage test, even to the
1969-1970 standards.


I am going to try Wayne's WiFi test later this evening. I will stream
a movie on my laptop so I will be hitting it hard enough to notice.



There is a very exotic test described on the following link (Method 2)
but Wayne's test is probably just as good. Just make sure your laptop
is sitting in front of the microwave.

I've always been concerned with all the electromagnetic energy we are
exposed to everyday from things like microwaves and especially cell
phones that you hold up to your head when using. You are within the
"near field" (max energy strength) on a cell phone and I just don't
believe that long term exposure is harmless. Texting is probably much
safer.

http://www.wikihow.com/Check-a-Microwave-for-Leaks


I seldom even turn my phone on and I am not standing there staring
into the microwave when it runs. The inverse square law is probably
the best defense, even if it does leak.

Its Me March 14th 17 09:12 PM

Kellyanne, help me out
 
On Tuesday, March 14, 2017 at 4:08:12 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/14/2017 3:54 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:03:26 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/14/2017 2:13 PM,
wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 07:12:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



I'm OK with this one, a 1971 Monkey Wards. It is just a magnetron and
a spring wound timer. Not much to break and it gets the job done.

Just stand at least 30 feet away from it when it's running. :-)

I bet the shielding on the original ovens is better than today.
They were really afraid of microwaves in the late 60s and the regs
were pretty tight.



I think you would lose the bet.

The allowable leakage spec for a microwave oven in 1969 was 10mw/cm2
Today, the leakage spec is half that ... 5mv/cm2

In 1969, 155 microwave ovens were surveyed in New York, Mississippi, New
Jersey and Massachusetts and tested for leakage. 32 percent of the
155 ovens had leakage in excess of the 10mv/cm2 standard.

It's 46 years old. I doubt it would pass the leakage test, even to the
1969-1970 standards.


I am going to try Wayne's WiFi test later this evening. I will stream
a movie on my laptop so I will be hitting it hard enough to notice.



There is a very exotic test described on the following link (Method 2)
but Wayne's test is probably just as good. Just make sure your laptop
is sitting in front of the microwave.

I've always been concerned with all the electromagnetic energy we are
exposed to everyday from things like microwaves and especially cell
phones that you hold up to your head when using. You are within the
"near field" (max energy strength) on a cell phone and I just don't
believe that long term exposure is harmless. Texting is probably much
safer.

http://www.wikihow.com/Check-a-Microwave-for-Leaks


Growing up I remember hearing the local radio station on our telephone. Ma Bell finally cleaned it up after a while, but then in high school I worked with the Chief Engineer at that station in his backyard electronics shop. He told me that in the field out behind the antenna he'd measured nearly a volt of signal strength in the air. It was only 5000 watts AM, 3000 FM.

I worked there as a DJ my senior year of high school. Yes, it was fun. :)

[email protected] March 14th 17 09:30 PM

Kellyanne, help me out
 
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:52:25 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 14:27:14 -0400,

wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 14:13:44 -0400,
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 07:12:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



I'm OK with this one, a 1971 Monkey Wards. It is just a magnetron and
a spring wound timer. Not much to break and it gets the job done.

Just stand at least 30 feet away from it when it's running. :-)

I bet the shielding on the original ovens is better than today.
They were really afraid of microwaves in the late 60s and the regs
were pretty tight.


===

We have an older microwave oven on the boat, probably 20 years old or
more. It knocks out the WiFi network every time it's on. Our oven at
home is newer and does not usually affect the WiFi at all.


I have never had that but you have me curious. I will give it a shot
later this evening.
Have you looked at the door seals? You still seem to be saying your
oven is 27 years newer than mine, when they had become $99
disposables. I think I paid close to $300 for mine in Nixon dollars


===

It was on the boat when we bought it 13 years ago and it was not new
then, probably at least 5 to 10 years old already. I'd replace it but
it's a custom fit built-in.

Poco Deplorevole March 14th 17 09:49 PM

Kellyanne, help me out
 
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 17:30:22 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:52:25 -0400,
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 14:27:14 -0400,

wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 14:13:44 -0400,
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 07:12:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



I'm OK with this one, a 1971 Monkey Wards. It is just a magnetron and
a spring wound timer. Not much to break and it gets the job done.

Just stand at least 30 feet away from it when it's running. :-)

I bet the shielding on the original ovens is better than today.
They were really afraid of microwaves in the late 60s and the regs
were pretty tight.

===

We have an older microwave oven on the boat, probably 20 years old or
more. It knocks out the WiFi network every time it's on. Our oven at
home is newer and does not usually affect the WiFi at all.


I have never had that but you have me curious. I will give it a shot
later this evening.
Have you looked at the door seals? You still seem to be saying your
oven is 27 years newer than mine, when they had become $99
disposables. I think I paid close to $300 for mine in Nixon dollars


===

It was on the boat when we bought it 13 years ago and it was not new
then, probably at least 5 to 10 years old already. I'd replace it but
it's a custom fit built-in.


Well shoot, you've got all us researchers here, what are the needed dimensions?

Mr. Luddite March 14th 17 11:06 PM

Kellyanne, help me out
 
On 3/14/2017 5:12 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Tuesday, March 14, 2017 at 4:08:12 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/14/2017 3:54 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:03:26 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/14/2017 2:13 PM,
wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 07:12:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



I'm OK with this one, a 1971 Monkey Wards. It is just a magnetron and
a spring wound timer. Not much to break and it gets the job done.

Just stand at least 30 feet away from it when it's running. :-)

I bet the shielding on the original ovens is better than today.
They were really afraid of microwaves in the late 60s and the regs
were pretty tight.



I think you would lose the bet.

The allowable leakage spec for a microwave oven in 1969 was 10mw/cm2
Today, the leakage spec is half that ... 5mv/cm2

In 1969, 155 microwave ovens were surveyed in New York, Mississippi, New
Jersey and Massachusetts and tested for leakage. 32 percent of the
155 ovens had leakage in excess of the 10mv/cm2 standard.

It's 46 years old. I doubt it would pass the leakage test, even to the
1969-1970 standards.


I am going to try Wayne's WiFi test later this evening. I will stream
a movie on my laptop so I will be hitting it hard enough to notice.



There is a very exotic test described on the following link (Method 2)
but Wayne's test is probably just as good. Just make sure your laptop
is sitting in front of the microwave.

I've always been concerned with all the electromagnetic energy we are
exposed to everyday from things like microwaves and especially cell
phones that you hold up to your head when using. You are within the
"near field" (max energy strength) on a cell phone and I just don't
believe that long term exposure is harmless. Texting is probably much
safer.

http://www.wikihow.com/Check-a-Microwave-for-Leaks


Growing up I remember hearing the local radio station on our telephone. Ma Bell finally cleaned it up after a while, but then in high school I worked with the Chief Engineer at that station in his backyard electronics shop. He told me that in the field out behind the antenna he'd measured nearly a volt of signal strength in the air. It was only 5000 watts AM, 3000 FM.

I worked there as a DJ my senior year of high school. Yes, it was fun. :)



One of my duty stations was a transmitter site in Puerto Rico. One day
I was checking the grounding wires on utility poles on the base. One
pole had a ground wire that had broken about 5 feet above the ground.
When I touched the end remaining on the pole I got a burn in my fingers
and hand. The pole was about half a mile (maybe more) from the antenna
for a million watt ELF transmitter used for communications to submarines.



[email protected] March 14th 17 11:15 PM

Kellyanne, help me out
 
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 17:49:24 -0400, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 17:30:22 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:52:25 -0400,
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 14:27:14 -0400,

wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 14:13:44 -0400,
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 07:12:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



I'm OK with this one, a 1971 Monkey Wards. It is just a magnetron and
a spring wound timer. Not much to break and it gets the job done.

Just stand at least 30 feet away from it when it's running. :-)

I bet the shielding on the original ovens is better than today.
They were really afraid of microwaves in the late 60s and the regs
were pretty tight.

===

We have an older microwave oven on the boat, probably 20 years old or
more. It knocks out the WiFi network every time it's on. Our oven at
home is newer and does not usually affect the WiFi at all.

I have never had that but you have me curious. I will give it a shot
later this evening.
Have you looked at the door seals? You still seem to be saying your
oven is 27 years newer than mine, when they had become $99
disposables. I think I paid close to $300 for mine in Nixon dollars


===

It was on the boat when we bought it 13 years ago and it was not new
then, probably at least 5 to 10 years old already. I'd replace it but
it's a custom fit built-in.


Well shoot, you've got all us researchers here, what are the needed dimensions?


===

One of the critical dimensions is depth and I can't tell you that
without disassembling the cabinet. I did it once so I could reinforce
the back panel to support a television mount on the other side. It
took hours to get everything to fit back together properly.

Its Me March 14th 17 11:25 PM

Kellyanne, help me out
 
On Tuesday, March 14, 2017 at 7:06:42 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/14/2017 5:12 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Tuesday, March 14, 2017 at 4:08:12 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/14/2017 3:54 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:03:26 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/14/2017 2:13 PM,
wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 07:12:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



I'm OK with this one, a 1971 Monkey Wards. It is just a magnetron and
a spring wound timer. Not much to break and it gets the job done..

Just stand at least 30 feet away from it when it's running. :-)

I bet the shielding on the original ovens is better than today.
They were really afraid of microwaves in the late 60s and the regs
were pretty tight.



I think you would lose the bet.

The allowable leakage spec for a microwave oven in 1969 was 10mw/cm2
Today, the leakage spec is half that ... 5mv/cm2

In 1969, 155 microwave ovens were surveyed in New York, Mississippi, New
Jersey and Massachusetts and tested for leakage. 32 percent of the
155 ovens had leakage in excess of the 10mv/cm2 standard.

It's 46 years old. I doubt it would pass the leakage test, even to the
1969-1970 standards.


I am going to try Wayne's WiFi test later this evening. I will stream
a movie on my laptop so I will be hitting it hard enough to notice.



There is a very exotic test described on the following link (Method 2)
but Wayne's test is probably just as good. Just make sure your laptop
is sitting in front of the microwave.

I've always been concerned with all the electromagnetic energy we are
exposed to everyday from things like microwaves and especially cell
phones that you hold up to your head when using. You are within the
"near field" (max energy strength) on a cell phone and I just don't
believe that long term exposure is harmless. Texting is probably much
safer.

http://www.wikihow.com/Check-a-Microwave-for-Leaks


Growing up I remember hearing the local radio station on our telephone. Ma Bell finally cleaned it up after a while, but then in high school I worked with the Chief Engineer at that station in his backyard electronics shop. He told me that in the field out behind the antenna he'd measured nearly a volt of signal strength in the air. It was only 5000 watts AM, 3000 FM.

I worked there as a DJ my senior year of high school. Yes, it was fun. :)



One of my duty stations was a transmitter site in Puerto Rico. One day
I was checking the grounding wires on utility poles on the base. One
pole had a ground wire that had broken about 5 feet above the ground.
When I touched the end remaining on the pole I got a burn in my fingers
and hand. The pole was about half a mile (maybe more) from the antenna
for a million watt ELF transmitter used for communications to submarines.


Yes, RF can burn you! The CE told me that the fence around the tower was because the FM antenna was a several foot apparatus up on the tower, but the AM antennas *was* the tower. If you walked up and touched it, it could possibly kill you.

We had a guy come in one day to change the tower light. and he jumped off a ladder onto the tower to climb it. 3/4 of the way up, he started hollering down to shut down the AM transmitter. It was biting him. They did, and he completed his work. The AM transmitter was an old Gates (IIRC) unit that was several cabinets full of big tubes and the coax was pressurized with a gas, maybe nitrogen? The monitoring unit in the control room, maybe 1/2 mile away, was a rotary dialer and a couple of switches and meters. You dialed up the measurement you wanted to take, pressed a switch, and read the meter. Cool old stuff.

Poco Deplorevole March 14th 17 11:46 PM

Kellyanne, help me out
 
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 19:06:36 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/14/2017 5:12 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Tuesday, March 14, 2017 at 4:08:12 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/14/2017 3:54 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:03:26 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/14/2017 2:13 PM,
wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 07:12:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



I'm OK with this one, a 1971 Monkey Wards. It is just a magnetron and
a spring wound timer. Not much to break and it gets the job done.

Just stand at least 30 feet away from it when it's running. :-)

I bet the shielding on the original ovens is better than today.
They were really afraid of microwaves in the late 60s and the regs
were pretty tight.



I think you would lose the bet.

The allowable leakage spec for a microwave oven in 1969 was 10mw/cm2
Today, the leakage spec is half that ... 5mv/cm2

In 1969, 155 microwave ovens were surveyed in New York, Mississippi, New
Jersey and Massachusetts and tested for leakage. 32 percent of the
155 ovens had leakage in excess of the 10mv/cm2 standard.

It's 46 years old. I doubt it would pass the leakage test, even to the
1969-1970 standards.


I am going to try Wayne's WiFi test later this evening. I will stream
a movie on my laptop so I will be hitting it hard enough to notice.



There is a very exotic test described on the following link (Method 2)
but Wayne's test is probably just as good. Just make sure your laptop
is sitting in front of the microwave.

I've always been concerned with all the electromagnetic energy we are
exposed to everyday from things like microwaves and especially cell
phones that you hold up to your head when using. You are within the
"near field" (max energy strength) on a cell phone and I just don't
believe that long term exposure is harmless. Texting is probably much
safer.

http://www.wikihow.com/Check-a-Microwave-for-Leaks


Growing up I remember hearing the local radio station on our telephone. Ma Bell finally cleaned it up after a while, but then in high school I worked with the Chief Engineer at that station in his backyard electronics shop. He told me that in the field out behind the antenna he'd measured nearly a volt of signal strength in the air. It was only 5000 watts AM, 3000 FM.

I worked there as a DJ my senior year of high school. Yes, it was fun. :)



One of my duty stations was a transmitter site in Puerto Rico. One day
I was checking the grounding wires on utility poles on the base. One
pole had a ground wire that had broken about 5 feet above the ground.
When I touched the end remaining on the pole I got a burn in my fingers
and hand. The pole was about half a mile (maybe more) from the antenna
for a million watt ELF transmitter used for communications to submarines.


When were you in Puerto Rico? I went to 3-5th grades at Ramey Air Force Base with the B-36s rumbling
all the time.

Poco Deplorevole March 14th 17 11:48 PM

Kellyanne, help me out
 
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 19:15:13 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 17:49:24 -0400, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 17:30:22 -0400,
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:52:25 -0400,
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 14:27:14 -0400,

wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 14:13:44 -0400,
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 07:12:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



I'm OK with this one, a 1971 Monkey Wards. It is just a magnetron and
a spring wound timer. Not much to break and it gets the job done.

Just stand at least 30 feet away from it when it's running. :-)

I bet the shielding on the original ovens is better than today.
They were really afraid of microwaves in the late 60s and the regs
were pretty tight.

===

We have an older microwave oven on the boat, probably 20 years old or
more. It knocks out the WiFi network every time it's on. Our oven at
home is newer and does not usually affect the WiFi at all.

I have never had that but you have me curious. I will give it a shot
later this evening.
Have you looked at the door seals? You still seem to be saying your
oven is 27 years newer than mine, when they had become $99
disposables. I think I paid close to $300 for mine in Nixon dollars

===

It was on the boat when we bought it 13 years ago and it was not new
then, probably at least 5 to 10 years old already. I'd replace it but
it's a custom fit built-in.


Well shoot, you've got all us researchers here, what are the needed dimensions?


===

One of the critical dimensions is depth and I can't tell you that
without disassembling the cabinet. I did it once so I could reinforce
the back panel to support a television mount on the other side. It
took hours to get everything to fit back together properly.


Measure the inside. That'd give a pretty good idea.

Mr. Luddite March 15th 17 12:38 AM

Kellyanne, help me out
 
On 3/14/2017 7:46 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 19:06:36 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/14/2017 5:12 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Tuesday, March 14, 2017 at 4:08:12 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/14/2017 3:54 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:03:26 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/14/2017 2:13 PM,
wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 07:12:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



I'm OK with this one, a 1971 Monkey Wards. It is just a magnetron and
a spring wound timer. Not much to break and it gets the job done.

Just stand at least 30 feet away from it when it's running. :-)

I bet the shielding on the original ovens is better than today.
They were really afraid of microwaves in the late 60s and the regs
were pretty tight.



I think you would lose the bet.

The allowable leakage spec for a microwave oven in 1969 was 10mw/cm2
Today, the leakage spec is half that ... 5mv/cm2

In 1969, 155 microwave ovens were surveyed in New York, Mississippi, New
Jersey and Massachusetts and tested for leakage. 32 percent of the
155 ovens had leakage in excess of the 10mv/cm2 standard.

It's 46 years old. I doubt it would pass the leakage test, even to the
1969-1970 standards.


I am going to try Wayne's WiFi test later this evening. I will stream
a movie on my laptop so I will be hitting it hard enough to notice.



There is a very exotic test described on the following link (Method 2)
but Wayne's test is probably just as good. Just make sure your laptop
is sitting in front of the microwave.

I've always been concerned with all the electromagnetic energy we are
exposed to everyday from things like microwaves and especially cell
phones that you hold up to your head when using. You are within the
"near field" (max energy strength) on a cell phone and I just don't
believe that long term exposure is harmless. Texting is probably much
safer.

http://www.wikihow.com/Check-a-Microwave-for-Leaks

Growing up I remember hearing the local radio station on our telephone. Ma Bell finally cleaned it up after a while, but then in high school I worked with the Chief Engineer at that station in his backyard electronics shop. He told me that in the field out behind the antenna he'd measured nearly a volt of signal strength in the air. It was only 5000 watts AM, 3000 FM.

I worked there as a DJ my senior year of high school. Yes, it was fun. :)



One of my duty stations was a transmitter site in Puerto Rico. One day
I was checking the grounding wires on utility poles on the base. One
pole had a ground wire that had broken about 5 feet above the ground.
When I touched the end remaining on the pole I got a burn in my fingers
and hand. The pole was about half a mile (maybe more) from the antenna
for a million watt ELF transmitter used for communications to submarines.


When were you in Puerto Rico? I went to 3-5th grades at Ramey Air Force Base with the B-36s rumbling
all the time.


I think it was from 1973 to 1975. Transmitter site was in Ponce, on the
south side of the island.



[email protected] March 15th 17 01:04 AM

Kellyanne, help me out
 
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 17:49:24 -0400, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 17:30:22 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:52:25 -0400,
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 14:27:14 -0400,

wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 14:13:44 -0400,
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 07:12:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



I'm OK with this one, a 1971 Monkey Wards. It is just a magnetron and
a spring wound timer. Not much to break and it gets the job done.

Just stand at least 30 feet away from it when it's running. :-)

I bet the shielding on the original ovens is better than today.
They were really afraid of microwaves in the late 60s and the regs
were pretty tight.

===

We have an older microwave oven on the boat, probably 20 years old or
more. It knocks out the WiFi network every time it's on. Our oven at
home is newer and does not usually affect the WiFi at all.

I have never had that but you have me curious. I will give it a shot
later this evening.
Have you looked at the door seals? You still seem to be saying your
oven is 27 years newer than mine, when they had become $99
disposables. I think I paid close to $300 for mine in Nixon dollars


===

It was on the boat when we bought it 13 years ago and it was not new
then, probably at least 5 to 10 years old already. I'd replace it but
it's a custom fit built-in.


Well shoot, you've got all us researchers here, what are the needed dimensions?


I have somewhat the same problem with the one I have. It is in a hole
in a cabinet and more "square" than most of the new ones.
If it breaks I will probably end up reconfiguring the cabinet.
Tiki bar builders can do stuff like that ;-)

[email protected] March 15th 17 01:11 AM

Kellyanne, help me out
 
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 19:06:36 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

One of my duty stations was a transmitter site in Puerto Rico. One day
I was checking the grounding wires on utility poles on the base. One
pole had a ground wire that had broken about 5 feet above the ground.
When I touched the end remaining on the pole I got a burn in my fingers
and hand. The pole was about half a mile (maybe more) from the antenna
for a million watt ELF transmitter used for communications to submarines.


I don't think I would worry about the leakage from a 700 watt
microwave then. You are already "well done" inside ;-)

[email protected] March 15th 17 01:48 AM

Kellyanne, help me out
 
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 19:15:13 -0400,
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 17:49:24 -0400, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 17:30:22 -0400,
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:52:25 -0400,
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 14:27:14 -0400,

wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 14:13:44 -0400,
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 07:12:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



I'm OK with this one, a 1971 Monkey Wards. It is just a magnetron and
a spring wound timer. Not much to break and it gets the job done.

Just stand at least 30 feet away from it when it's running. :-)

I bet the shielding on the original ovens is better than today.
They were really afraid of microwaves in the late 60s and the regs
were pretty tight.

===

We have an older microwave oven on the boat, probably 20 years old or
more. It knocks out the WiFi network every time it's on. Our oven at
home is newer and does not usually affect the WiFi at all.

I have never had that but you have me curious. I will give it a shot
later this evening.
Have you looked at the door seals? You still seem to be saying your
oven is 27 years newer than mine, when they had become $99
disposables. I think I paid close to $300 for mine in Nixon dollars

===

It was on the boat when we bought it 13 years ago and it was not new
then, probably at least 5 to 10 years old already. I'd replace it but
it's a custom fit built-in.


Well shoot, you've got all us researchers here, what are the needed dimensions?


===

One of the critical dimensions is depth and I can't tell you that
without disassembling the cabinet. I did it once so I could reinforce
the back panel to support a television mount on the other side. It
took hours to get everything to fit back together properly.


Can you just probe around it with a piece of wire. Some real stiff
steel leader might work. My favorite is the core of an outboard
shift/throttle cable.

Bill[_12_] March 15th 17 01:57 AM

Kellyanne, help me out
 
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/14/2017 5:12 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Tuesday, March 14, 2017 at 4:08:12 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/14/2017 3:54 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:03:26 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/14/2017 2:13 PM,
wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 07:12:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



I'm OK with this one, a 1971 Monkey Wards. It is just a magnetron and
a spring wound timer. Not much to break and it gets the job done.

Just stand at least 30 feet away from it when it's running. :-)

I bet the shielding on the original ovens is better than today.
They were really afraid of microwaves in the late 60s and the regs
were pretty tight.



I think you would lose the bet.

The allowable leakage spec for a microwave oven in 1969 was 10mw/cm2
Today, the leakage spec is half that ... 5mv/cm2

In 1969, 155 microwave ovens were surveyed in New York, Mississippi, New
Jersey and Massachusetts and tested for leakage. 32 percent of the
155 ovens had leakage in excess of the 10mv/cm2 standard.

It's 46 years old. I doubt it would pass the leakage test, even to the
1969-1970 standards.


I am going to try Wayne's WiFi test later this evening. I will stream
a movie on my laptop so I will be hitting it hard enough to notice.



There is a very exotic test described on the following link (Method 2)
but Wayne's test is probably just as good. Just make sure your laptop
is sitting in front of the microwave.

I've always been concerned with all the electromagnetic energy we are
exposed to everyday from things like microwaves and especially cell
phones that you hold up to your head when using. You are within the
"near field" (max energy strength) on a cell phone and I just don't
believe that long term exposure is harmless. Texting is probably much
safer.

http://www.wikihow.com/Check-a-Microwave-for-Leaks


Growing up I remember hearing the local radio station on our telephone.
Ma Bell finally cleaned it up after a while, but then in high school I
worked with the Chief Engineer at that station in his backyard
electronics shop. He told me that in the field out behind the antenna
he'd measured nearly a volt of signal strength in the air. It was only
5000 watts AM, 3000 FM.

I worked there as a DJ my senior year of high school. Yes, it was fun. :)



One of my duty stations was a transmitter site in Puerto Rico. One day
I was checking the grounding wires on utility poles on the base. One
pole had a ground wire that had broken about 5 feet above the ground.
When I touched the end remaining on the pole I got a burn in my fingers
and hand. The pole was about half a mile (maybe more) from the antenna
for a million watt ELF transmitter used for communications to submarines.




When I was at Keesler AFB for tech school, they ran the search radar on low
power and pointed skyward. We were at least 3/4 mile from the antenna.
Big investigation as to how the antenna got rearmed lower after a couple
people in the barracks complained available up the fluorescent desk lamp
blinking.


Poco Deplorevole March 15th 17 11:37 AM

Kellyanne, help me out
 
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 20:38:00 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/14/2017 7:46 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 19:06:36 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/14/2017 5:12 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Tuesday, March 14, 2017 at 4:08:12 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/14/2017 3:54 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:03:26 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/14/2017 2:13 PM,
wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 07:12:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



I'm OK with this one, a 1971 Monkey Wards. It is just a magnetron and
a spring wound timer. Not much to break and it gets the job done.

Just stand at least 30 feet away from it when it's running. :-)

I bet the shielding on the original ovens is better than today.
They were really afraid of microwaves in the late 60s and the regs
were pretty tight.



I think you would lose the bet.

The allowable leakage spec for a microwave oven in 1969 was 10mw/cm2
Today, the leakage spec is half that ... 5mv/cm2

In 1969, 155 microwave ovens were surveyed in New York, Mississippi, New
Jersey and Massachusetts and tested for leakage. 32 percent of the
155 ovens had leakage in excess of the 10mv/cm2 standard.

It's 46 years old. I doubt it would pass the leakage test, even to the
1969-1970 standards.


I am going to try Wayne's WiFi test later this evening. I will stream
a movie on my laptop so I will be hitting it hard enough to notice.



There is a very exotic test described on the following link (Method 2)
but Wayne's test is probably just as good. Just make sure your laptop
is sitting in front of the microwave.

I've always been concerned with all the electromagnetic energy we are
exposed to everyday from things like microwaves and especially cell
phones that you hold up to your head when using. You are within the
"near field" (max energy strength) on a cell phone and I just don't
believe that long term exposure is harmless. Texting is probably much
safer.

http://www.wikihow.com/Check-a-Microwave-for-Leaks

Growing up I remember hearing the local radio station on our telephone. Ma Bell finally cleaned it up after a while, but then in high school I worked with the Chief Engineer at that station in his backyard electronics shop. He told me that in the field out behind the antenna he'd measured nearly a volt of signal strength in the air. It was only 5000 watts AM, 3000 FM.

I worked there as a DJ my senior year of high school. Yes, it was fun. :)



One of my duty stations was a transmitter site in Puerto Rico. One day
I was checking the grounding wires on utility poles on the base. One
pole had a ground wire that had broken about 5 feet above the ground.
When I touched the end remaining on the pole I got a burn in my fingers
and hand. The pole was about half a mile (maybe more) from the antenna
for a million watt ELF transmitter used for communications to submarines.


When were you in Puerto Rico? I went to 3-5th grades at Ramey Air Force Base with the B-36s rumbling
all the time.


I think it was from 1973 to 1975. Transmitter site was in Ponce, on the
south side of the island.


That was about 20 years after we were there. Ponce rings a bell, so we must have gone there for
something. We lived for the first year or so in Isabella, on the northwestern end of the island.
Then we got quarters on base.

Not in this lifetime March 16th 17 07:28 AM

Kellyanne, help me out
 
wrote:
I heard you say my microwave was spying on me but I can't find the
camera or the microphone. Where are they? I want to disable them.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/microwave.jpg


Try looking in Poco, Bill, or Justin's ass. I'm sure it's familiar
territory!



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