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On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 07:23:07 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/17 11:18 PM, wrote: On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 14:05:03 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: My experience with S/A revolvers is that they are not faster to load than a D/A revolver with a speed loader. I guess you have never watched any of the IDPA guys. I doubt I'll encounter one in a gunfight. The point is if you watch the competitions you will see that even these highly trained shooters take longer to load a revolver than a semi auto. You also get more rounds in a magazine than a speed loader, maybe 3x or more. I wasn't comparing a semi auto pistol to a double action revolver. No, you somehow translated SA into S/A. |
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 07:22:04 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/27/17 6:56 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 23:18:48 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 14:05:03 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: My experience with S/A revolvers is that they are not faster to load than a D/A revolver with a speed loader. I guess you have never watched any of the IDPA guys. I doubt I'll encounter one in a gunfight. The point is if you watch the competitions you will see that even these highly trained shooters take longer to load a revolver than a semi auto. You also get more rounds in a magazine than a speed loader, maybe 3x or more. I think Harry thought you meant 'single action' when you used 'SA' way back when. Then Harry began talking about S/A revolvers as though that's what you meant. Surely he's not trying to say it's faster to load a revolver, even with a speed loader, than to pop out and pop in a magazine in a SA. I thought he was talking about single action revolvers, too. Loading a double action revolver is faster, as is emptying the spent brass. When I took my first firearms safety course out at a range off of Route 50 out near Dulles airport, the instructor spent a lot of time explaining how to clear problems that arise with semi-auto pistols...stovepipes, failures to fire, et cetera. I had a round jam tight once in a rented Glock out at a range. I didn't want to mess with it, so I put the pistol down, facing in the proper direction, and called over the range officer. He was glad to take care of the problem for me. You might have an occasional problem with a revolver, but it probably isn't going to be because of the round. I don't dislike semi-auto pistols, but if my life depended upon a handgun, I'd prefer it to be a Smith & Wesson or Ruger .357 Mag double action revolver. Pull the trigger and it is going to go bang. Knock on plastic, I never had a problem with the .357s I've owned or just shot from either manufacturer. After firing a hundred or so wad cutters in the Model 28, I've had the trigger become too hard to pull because of crud on the front of the cylinder. Scraping the crud off with a pocket knife gets it back into business again. Hopefully you can put down your attacker without needing a couple hundred rounds. |
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On 2/27/17 9:44 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 1:31:18 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/26/17 1:05 PM, wrote: On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 11:44:16 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/26/17 11:31 AM, wrote: On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 08:09:47 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: If I wanted a 1911 clone that fired .45 ACP, I'd get one. I don't like the pistols or the rounds much. The.357 MAGs hit harder in self-defense situations. If I were interested in the .45 ACP round, though, I'd consider a dual load .45 revolver, like this Ruger Redhawk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfcWPOecspQ The problem is reliable feeding of a rimmed case in a semi auto. Certainly there are guns that pull it off but the semi rim seems a lot easier to feed. The flip side of that is the difficulty of chambering a semi rim in a revolver without moon clips. Some will headspace off the case neck but then they can be sensitive to ammo. I understand the technicalities you are describing, but I simply prefer shooting double action revolvers. Revolvers are OK and have rock solid reliability as long as you are OK with keeping them loaded and only think you will need 5 or 6 shots. SAs a faster to load, if you store it unloaded, carry more shots and is flatter if you CCW. I can argue both sides ;-) I have both. My most accurate is probably my OM Colt .38 revolver. Most instinctive to shoot is my 1934 Barretta and in a serious social situation I want my KP90 Ruger. I also have a Saturday Night Special double stack Ring of Fire 9mm (Bryco/Jennings 9) that was just an offer I could not refuse. Surprisingly, it seems to work better than I would expect. If I need more than six revolver shots for personal defense, then I should have brought a rifle with hi-cap mags. One hit from the .357 MAG rounds I use should drop a bad guy if it doesn't kill him outright. Then why this? "I use Hornady Critical Defense ammo in my .357 MAG revolver, six in the cylinder and six in this speed loader." So you're thinking you'll need 12 shots? Cautious... I don't carry my revolver. I have a pump shotgun for home defense, but the revolver is handy. At typical in the house distances, the shotgun will pretty much kill or at least drop the perp with one shot if I hit his body between the shoulders and the groin. |
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 09:52:43 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: I have a pump shotgun for home defense, but the revolver is handy. At typical in the house distances, the shotgun will pretty much kill or at least drop the perp with one shot if I hit his body between the shoulders and the groin. .... Assuming the perp doesn't take it away from you. I still never understood why they think an untrained person trying to maneuver over 2 feet of gun around in the confines of a house is better than a handgun. I do understand they are harder hitting, if you actually hit anything. There certainly is not going to be much of a pattern at typical home distances, even with an 18" cylinder bore. It is all academic in Maryland anyway. If you shoot someone, you are probably going to jail. It is an "obligation to retreat" state, even inside your home. You are legally obligated to run away, it there is any chance at all of you having a way out. In that regard a single shot .22 may be as good as an M60 because you have to justify every round from scratch. Oh and don't get too carried away defending yourself with your bare hands. Each punch is the same way. The first punch may be self defense but the second could be aggravated assault .... or murder. I know a guy who found that out the hard way. |
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 09:52:43 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: I have a pump shotgun for home defense, but the revolver is handy. At typical in the house distances, the shotgun will pretty much kill or at least drop the perp with one shot if I hit his body between the shoulders and the groin. ... Assuming the perp doesn't take it away from you. I still never understood why they think an untrained person trying to maneuver over 2 feet of gun around in the confines of a house is better than a handgun. I do understand they are harder hitting, if you actually hit anything. There certainly is not going to be much of a pattern at typical home distances, even with an 18" cylinder bore. It is all academic in Maryland anyway. If you shoot someone, you are probably going to jail. It is an "obligation to retreat" state, even inside your home. You are legally obligated to run away, it there is any chance at all of you having a way out. In that regard a single shot .22 may be as good as an M60 because you have to justify every round from scratch. Oh and don't get too carried away defending yourself with your bare hands. Each punch is the same way. The first punch may be self defense but the second could be aggravated assault ... or murder. I know a guy who found that out the hard way. About the only shotgun good for home defense would be an Ithaca auto and burglar shotgun. But you would need a tax stamp for it, and not made since the 30's. Otherwise, the barrel is going to hit s door jam or wall, if you are trying to move through the house. Otherwise, great behind the bed, lights on, and point the weapon at the door. If the intruder does not run, and enters then shoot. In Maryland, probably would qualify as retreating as far as you could. |
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On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 12:19:23 PM UTC-8, True North wrote:
Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. In Krauses's case better make that 12 by 12 |
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 12:42:54 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 2/27/17 10:47 AM, wrote: On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 09:52:43 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: I have a pump shotgun for home defense, but the revolver is handy. At typical in the house distances, the shotgun will pretty much kill or at least drop the perp with one shot if I hit his body between the shoulders and the groin. ... Assuming the perp doesn't take it away from you. I still never understood why they think an untrained person trying to maneuver over 2 feet of gun around in the confines of a house is better than a handgun. I do understand they are harder hitting, if you actually hit anything. There certainly is not going to be much of a pattern at typical home distances, even with an 18" cylinder bore. It is all academic in Maryland anyway. If you shoot someone, you are probably going to jail. It is an "obligation to retreat" state, even inside your home. You are legally obligated to run away, it there is any chance at all of you having a way out. In that regard a single shot .22 may be as good as an M60 because you have to justify every round from scratch. Oh and don't get too carried away defending yourself with your bare hands. Each punch is the same way. The first punch may be self defense but the second could be aggravated assault ... or murder. I know a guy who found that out the hard way. We've had this conversation previously, and two or three times I've told you I've talked to both the county prosecutor and the sheriff. This was quite a few years ago. In this house, as in many houses, there is no place to retreat to if you are in a bedroom. There have been a couple of home invasion type incidents I recall in which the house's occupants took out the invaders and there was no prosecution. While Maryland isn't Florida, where you can shoot to kill at will and get away with it, we do allow people to defend themselves in their homes. I have a good friend who did 7 years in prison and he would disagree. You still have the obligation or retreat and you are guilty until you can prove yourself innocent. You will have to prove you had no possible way to get away, |
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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/25/17 10:11 PM, Alex wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/25/17 3:27 PM, Bill wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/25/17 1:41 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:59:52 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:43:18 -0500, Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:38:59 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/25/17 12:35 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: Just got first estimate for a sprinkler system. Five zones, front and back for $2950. That was a surprise. I would have guessed $8-10K. That's with three year warranty. Surprise, surprise. Will see what the next estimate looks like. Oh, you should definitely go for it...yeah... :) You know something about sprinkler systems? Now go to You Tube. Startling. https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...roblem+with+cz You call "About 861,000 results" only 'a few'. Wow. === I know someone with a custom CZ very similar to the one Harree claims to have owned. It's very reliable and accurate. I'm sure it is. I was simply making a point to Harree. 'Problem with Kimber' in You Tube gets "About 8,590 results" compared to "About 861,000 results" for 'problem with CZ' That's quite startling! Yeah, the 8500 Kimber hits have to do with problems with Kimber firearms. Almost all the 851,000 results you cited for CZ have nothing to do with CZ firearms. Hell, all guns can have a problem. My Ithaca Mdl 37 20ga jammed first time out pheasant hunting. Had a small piece of metal from the machining stuck in the action. Do not know where it was hiding, as I cleaned shotgun after buying. Then the worse POS I still have is a Remington semiauto 30.06. Is known as the jam-o-matic. I haven't had any serious issues with any of the firearms I've owned. I did have a short-term issue with my Mini 14 going into a sort of autofire mode, but I fixed that with a couple of turns of a trigger adjustment screw I had installed. I'm not a fan of the "1911" model or the .45 ACP ammo. The typical .357 MAG round is more of a stopper when you need it, and you can fire .38 Special rounds in a .357 MAG revolver. Some people can afford to have both and enjoy some variety at the range. BTW - .45 ACP ammo doesn't exist. It's .45 Auto. Oh, then I suppose this seller and many other sellers of .45 ACP ammo are providing non-existent ammo: https://www.ammunitiondepot.com/310-45-acp If I wanted a 1911 clone that fired .45 ACP, I'd get one. I don't like the pistols or the rounds much. The.357 MAGs hit harder in self-defense situations. If I were interested in the .45 ACP round, though, I'd consider a dual load .45 revolver, like this Ruger Redhawk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfcWPOecspQ The sellers are wrong and not providing non-existent ammo. The ammo pictured by this seller is labeled correctly - .45 Auto. A .45 Automatic Colt Pistol is a firearm - not a cartridge. I'm sure we can both agree that Hornady is at the top when it comes to quality ammunition. Try to find .45 ACP *anywhere* in their catalog: http://www.hornady.com/store/45-Auto In response to your rant - some people can afford to have several firearms for a variety of purposes. I have a few .357 Magnums and enjoy firing them, too. My Ruger SP101 is a great self-defense firearm and I prefer it over the J-frames. There's a lot of personal preference when it comes to guns and different calibers. I'm lucky enough that I no longer have to sell a gun in order to buy a new gun. |
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True North wrote:
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 19:46:53 -0500, Alex wrote:
In response to your rant - some people can afford to have several firearms for a variety of purposes. I have a few .357 Magnums and enjoy firing them, too. My Ruger SP101 is a great self-defense firearm and I prefer it over the J-frames. There's a lot of personal preference when it comes to guns and different calibers. I'm lucky enough that I no longer have to sell a gun in order to buy a new gun. I have an old trooper that I got right after the OM. Both are pretty much twins except the OM has a bull barrel and the trooper has the longer .357 cylinder. Both stay in the safe pretty much all the time. My go to house gun is the Ruger KP90 and I have the Barretta in a quick access compartment near the front door just in case something does come up and I want it in my pocket. My 1897 and M1A are in a quick open, locked compartment in the bedroom in case the philistines are really coming over the hill. For the most parts I still think of these as "safes" since they are hard to get into and pretty hard to find. That "building" stuff really comes in handy if you want to lose a few cubic feet in a place that is hard to triangulate on. ;-) |
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 19:46:53 -0500, Alex wrote: In response to your rant - some people can afford to have several firearms for a variety of purposes. I have a few .357 Magnums and enjoy firing them, too. My Ruger SP101 is a great self-defense firearm and I prefer it over the J-frames. There's a lot of personal preference when it comes to guns and different calibers. I'm lucky enough that I no longer have to sell a gun in order to buy a new gun. I have an old trooper that I got right after the OM. Both are pretty much twins except the OM has a bull barrel and the trooper has the longer .357 cylinder. Both stay in the safe pretty much all the time. My go to house gun is the Ruger KP90 and I have the Barretta in a quick access compartment near the front door just in case something does come up and I want it in my pocket. My 1897 and M1A are in a quick open, locked compartment in the bedroom in case the philistines are really coming over the hill. For the most parts I still think of these as "safes" since they are hard to get into and pretty hard to find. That "building" stuff really comes in handy if you want to lose a few cubic feet in a place that is hard to triangulate on. ;-) Trooper is a nice .357. I bought one used when a friend wanted my Ruger ..30 carbine pistol. The Ruger was an interesting firearm, but unless you were reloading ammo, was nasty to shoot. Huge fireball, and I understand it was the 3rd noisiest handgun made. |
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 03:09:53 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: wrote: On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 19:46:53 -0500, Alex wrote: In response to your rant - some people can afford to have several firearms for a variety of purposes. I have a few .357 Magnums and enjoy firing them, too. My Ruger SP101 is a great self-defense firearm and I prefer it over the J-frames. There's a lot of personal preference when it comes to guns and different calibers. I'm lucky enough that I no longer have to sell a gun in order to buy a new gun. I have an old trooper that I got right after the OM. Both are pretty much twins except the OM has a bull barrel and the trooper has the longer .357 cylinder. Both stay in the safe pretty much all the time. My go to house gun is the Ruger KP90 and I have the Barretta in a quick access compartment near the front door just in case something does come up and I want it in my pocket. My 1897 and M1A are in a quick open, locked compartment in the bedroom in case the philistines are really coming over the hill. For the most parts I still think of these as "safes" since they are hard to get into and pretty hard to find. That "building" stuff really comes in handy if you want to lose a few cubic feet in a place that is hard to triangulate on. ;-) Trooper is a nice .357. I bought one used when a friend wanted my Ruger .30 carbine pistol. The Ruger was an interesting firearm, but unless you were reloading ammo, was nasty to shoot. Huge fireball, and I understand it was the 3rd noisiest handgun made. That is a common problem with pistols and carbines, going either way. The stuff I was loading for my Ruger carbine was nasty in a 29 Smith but it performed a whole lot better than the regular commercial 44 mag ammo, designed for a pistol. If you are really working up the load for a particular barrel length, you have to match the speed of the powder to the burn time before it gets to the muzzle. They complain about the SoCom M1A for the same problem. Regular 7.62x51 ammo is still burning on high when the bullet comes out and the blast is supposed to be brutal. My biggest problem with the 44 was, out of my carbine, it beat the crap out of my bullet trap in the basement. My chronograph was a home built, made from 2821 cards so I needed 120v and it is hard to find a place to shoot with power. I had to put a sheet or two of plywood in front of the trap to scrub off a little speed. Fortunately I knew construction guys then too and they gave me lots of small pieces of scrap. I am not sure where my log book is but I had lots of loads I played with in there. |
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On 2/27/17 7:46 PM, Alex wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/25/17 10:11 PM, Alex wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/25/17 3:27 PM, Bill wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/25/17 1:41 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:59:52 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:43:18 -0500, Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:38:59 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/25/17 12:35 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: Just got first estimate for a sprinkler system. Five zones, front and back for $2950. That was a surprise. I would have guessed $8-10K. That's with three year warranty. Surprise, surprise. Will see what the next estimate looks like. Oh, you should definitely go for it...yeah... :) You know something about sprinkler systems? Now go to You Tube. Startling. https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...roblem+with+cz You call "About 861,000 results" only 'a few'. Wow. === I know someone with a custom CZ very similar to the one Harree claims to have owned. It's very reliable and accurate. I'm sure it is. I was simply making a point to Harree. 'Problem with Kimber' in You Tube gets "About 8,590 results" compared to "About 861,000 results" for 'problem with CZ' That's quite startling! Yeah, the 8500 Kimber hits have to do with problems with Kimber firearms. Almost all the 851,000 results you cited for CZ have nothing to do with CZ firearms. Hell, all guns can have a problem. My Ithaca Mdl 37 20ga jammed first time out pheasant hunting. Had a small piece of metal from the machining stuck in the action. Do not know where it was hiding, as I cleaned shotgun after buying. Then the worse POS I still have is a Remington semiauto 30.06. Is known as the jam-o-matic. I haven't had any serious issues with any of the firearms I've owned. I did have a short-term issue with my Mini 14 going into a sort of autofire mode, but I fixed that with a couple of turns of a trigger adjustment screw I had installed. I'm not a fan of the "1911" model or the .45 ACP ammo. The typical .357 MAG round is more of a stopper when you need it, and you can fire .38 Special rounds in a .357 MAG revolver. Some people can afford to have both and enjoy some variety at the range. BTW - .45 ACP ammo doesn't exist. It's .45 Auto. Oh, then I suppose this seller and many other sellers of .45 ACP ammo are providing non-existent ammo: https://www.ammunitiondepot.com/310-45-acp If I wanted a 1911 clone that fired .45 ACP, I'd get one. I don't like the pistols or the rounds much. The.357 MAGs hit harder in self-defense situations. If I were interested in the .45 ACP round, though, I'd consider a dual load .45 revolver, like this Ruger Redhawk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfcWPOecspQ The sellers are wrong and not providing non-existent ammo. The ammo pictured by this seller is labeled correctly - .45 Auto. A .45 Automatic Colt Pistol is a firearm - not a cartridge. I'm sure we can both agree that Hornady is at the top when it comes to quality ammunition. Try to find .45 ACP *anywhere* in their catalog: http://www.hornady.com/store/45-Auto In response to your rant - some people can afford to have several firearms for a variety of purposes. I have a few .357 Magnums and enjoy firing them, too. My Ruger SP101 is a great self-defense firearm and I prefer it over the J-frames. There's a lot of personal preference when it comes to guns and different calibers. I'm lucky enough that I no longer have to sell a gun in order to buy a new gun. "The sellers are wrong..." because Alex the building supplies sales manager knows more than the big-time sellers of ammo. I get it. I don't have to sell a gun to buy a new gun, either. I'm not a gun collector. The only firearms I have and keep are the ones I shoot regularly...until I get bored with them. Have nice day. |
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On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 10:11:50 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
wrote: On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 19:46:53 -0500, Alex wrote: In response to your rant - some people can afford to have several firearms for a variety of purposes. I have a few .357 Magnums and enjoy firing them, too. My Ruger SP101 is a great self-defense firearm and I prefer it over the J-frames. There's a lot of personal preference when it comes to guns and different calibers. I'm lucky enough that I no longer have to sell a gun in order to buy a new gun. I have an old trooper that I got right after the OM. Both are pretty much twins except the OM has a bull barrel and the trooper has the longer .357 cylinder. Both stay in the safe pretty much all the time. My go to house gun is the Ruger KP90 and I have the Barretta in a quick access compartment near the front door just in case something does come up and I want it in my pocket. My 1897 and M1A are in a quick open, locked compartment in the bedroom in case the philistines are really coming over the hill. For the most parts I still think of these as "safes" since they are hard to get into and pretty hard to find. That "building" stuff really comes in handy if you want to lose a few cubic feet in a place that is hard to triangulate on. ;-) Trooper is a nice .357. I bought one used when a friend wanted my Ruger .30 carbine pistol. The Ruger was an interesting firearm, but unless you were reloading ammo, was nasty to shoot. Huge fireball, and I understand it was the 3rd noisiest handgun made. I have a Blackhawk in .30 carbine. I think it's fun to shoot! Puts a grin on my face every time. |
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Its Me wrote:
On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 10:11:50 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote: wrote: On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 19:46:53 -0500, Alex wrote: In response to your rant - some people can afford to have several firearms for a variety of purposes. I have a few .357 Magnums and enjoy firing them, too. My Ruger SP101 is a great self-defense firearm and I prefer it over the J-frames. There's a lot of personal preference when it comes to guns and different calibers. I'm lucky enough that I no longer have to sell a gun in order to buy a new gun. I have an old trooper that I got right after the OM. Both are pretty much twins except the OM has a bull barrel and the trooper has the longer .357 cylinder. Both stay in the safe pretty much all the time. My go to house gun is the Ruger KP90 and I have the Barretta in a quick access compartment near the front door just in case something does come up and I want it in my pocket. My 1897 and M1A are in a quick open, locked compartment in the bedroom in case the philistines are really coming over the hill. For the most parts I still think of these as "safes" since they are hard to get into and pretty hard to find. That "building" stuff really comes in handy if you want to lose a few cubic feet in a place that is hard to triangulate on. ;-) Trooper is a nice .357. I bought one used when a friend wanted my Ruger .30 carbine pistol. The Ruger was an interesting firearm, but unless you were reloading ammo, was nasty to shoot. Huge fireball, and I understand it was the 3rd noisiest handgun made. I have a Blackhawk in .30 carbine. I think it's fun to shoot! Puts a grin on my face every time. It was. But I did not reload in those days, and the fireball and noise was too much, and a friend gave me a good offer. |
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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/27/17 7:46 PM, Alex wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/25/17 10:11 PM, Alex wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/25/17 3:27 PM, Bill wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/25/17 1:41 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:59:52 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:43:18 -0500, Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:38:59 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/25/17 12:35 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: Just got first estimate for a sprinkler system. Five zones, front and back for $2950. That was a surprise. I would have guessed $8-10K. That's with three year warranty. Surprise, surprise. Will see what the next estimate looks like. Oh, you should definitely go for it...yeah... :) You know something about sprinkler systems? Now go to You Tube. Startling. https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...roblem+with+cz You call "About 861,000 results" only 'a few'. Wow. === I know someone with a custom CZ very similar to the one Harree claims to have owned. It's very reliable and accurate. I'm sure it is. I was simply making a point to Harree. 'Problem with Kimber' in You Tube gets "About 8,590 results" compared to "About 861,000 results" for 'problem with CZ' That's quite startling! Yeah, the 8500 Kimber hits have to do with problems with Kimber firearms. Almost all the 851,000 results you cited for CZ have nothing to do with CZ firearms. Hell, all guns can have a problem. My Ithaca Mdl 37 20ga jammed first time out pheasant hunting. Had a small piece of metal from the machining stuck in the action. Do not know where it was hiding, as I cleaned shotgun after buying. Then the worse POS I still have is a Remington semiauto 30.06. Is known as the jam-o-matic. I haven't had any serious issues with any of the firearms I've owned. I did have a short-term issue with my Mini 14 going into a sort of autofire mode, but I fixed that with a couple of turns of a trigger adjustment screw I had installed. I'm not a fan of the "1911" model or the .45 ACP ammo. The typical .357 MAG round is more of a stopper when you need it, and you can fire .38 Special rounds in a .357 MAG revolver. Some people can afford to have both and enjoy some variety at the range. BTW - .45 ACP ammo doesn't exist. It's .45 Auto. Oh, then I suppose this seller and many other sellers of .45 ACP ammo are providing non-existent ammo: https://www.ammunitiondepot.com/310-45-acp If I wanted a 1911 clone that fired .45 ACP, I'd get one. I don't like the pistols or the rounds much. The.357 MAGs hit harder in self-defense situations. If I were interested in the .45 ACP round, though, I'd consider a dual load .45 revolver, like this Ruger Redhawk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfcWPOecspQ The sellers are wrong and not providing non-existent ammo. The ammo pictured by this seller is labeled correctly - .45 Auto. A .45 Automatic Colt Pistol is a firearm - not a cartridge. I'm sure we can both agree that Hornady is at the top when it comes to quality ammunition. Try to find .45 ACP *anywhere* in their catalog: http://www.hornady.com/store/45-Auto In response to your rant - some people can afford to have several firearms for a variety of purposes. I have a few .357 Magnums and enjoy firing them, too. My Ruger SP101 is a great self-defense firearm and I prefer it over the J-frames. There's a lot of personal preference when it comes to guns and different calibers. I'm lucky enough that I no longer have to sell a gun in order to buy a new gun. "The sellers are wrong..." because Alex the building supplies sales manager knows more than the big-time sellers of ammo. I get it. I don't have to sell a gun to buy a new gun, either. I'm not a gun collector. The only firearms I have and keep are the ones I shoot regularly...until I get bored with them. Have nice day. The sellers *are* wrong. Hornady wasn't enough to prove that? Find .45 ACP on this site, expert: http://www.saami.org/index.cfm |
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On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 7:03:03 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote: "The sellers are wrong..." because Alex the building supplies sales manager knows more than the big-time sellers of ammo. I get it. The sellers *are* wrong. Hornady wasn't enough to prove that? Find .45 ACP on this site, expert: http://www.saami.org/index.cfm Oops. |
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 19:02:57 -0500, Alex wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/27/17 7:46 PM, Alex wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/25/17 10:11 PM, Alex wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/25/17 3:27 PM, Bill wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/25/17 1:41 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:59:52 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:43:18 -0500, Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:38:59 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/25/17 12:35 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: Just got first estimate for a sprinkler system. Five zones, front and back for $2950. That was a surprise. I would have guessed $8-10K. That's with three year warranty. Surprise, surprise. Will see what the next estimate looks like. Oh, you should definitely go for it...yeah... :) You know something about sprinkler systems? Now go to You Tube. Startling. https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...roblem+with+cz You call "About 861,000 results" only 'a few'. Wow. === I know someone with a custom CZ very similar to the one Harree claims to have owned. It's very reliable and accurate. I'm sure it is. I was simply making a point to Harree. 'Problem with Kimber' in You Tube gets "About 8,590 results" compared to "About 861,000 results" for 'problem with CZ' That's quite startling! Yeah, the 8500 Kimber hits have to do with problems with Kimber firearms. Almost all the 851,000 results you cited for CZ have nothing to do with CZ firearms. Hell, all guns can have a problem. My Ithaca Mdl 37 20ga jammed first time out pheasant hunting. Had a small piece of metal from the machining stuck in the action. Do not know where it was hiding, as I cleaned shotgun after buying. Then the worse POS I still have is a Remington semiauto 30.06. Is known as the jam-o-matic. I haven't had any serious issues with any of the firearms I've owned. I did have a short-term issue with my Mini 14 going into a sort of autofire mode, but I fixed that with a couple of turns of a trigger adjustment screw I had installed. I'm not a fan of the "1911" model or the .45 ACP ammo. The typical .357 MAG round is more of a stopper when you need it, and you can fire .38 Special rounds in a .357 MAG revolver. Some people can afford to have both and enjoy some variety at the range. BTW - .45 ACP ammo doesn't exist. It's .45 Auto. Oh, then I suppose this seller and many other sellers of .45 ACP ammo are providing non-existent ammo: https://www.ammunitiondepot.com/310-45-acp If I wanted a 1911 clone that fired .45 ACP, I'd get one. I don't like the pistols or the rounds much. The.357 MAGs hit harder in self-defense situations. If I were interested in the .45 ACP round, though, I'd consider a dual load .45 revolver, like this Ruger Redhawk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfcWPOecspQ The sellers are wrong and not providing non-existent ammo. The ammo pictured by this seller is labeled correctly - .45 Auto. A .45 Automatic Colt Pistol is a firearm - not a cartridge. I'm sure we can both agree that Hornady is at the top when it comes to quality ammunition. Try to find .45 ACP *anywhere* in their catalog: http://www.hornady.com/store/45-Auto In response to your rant - some people can afford to have several firearms for a variety of purposes. I have a few .357 Magnums and enjoy firing them, too. My Ruger SP101 is a great self-defense firearm and I prefer it over the J-frames. There's a lot of personal preference when it comes to guns and different calibers. I'm lucky enough that I no longer have to sell a gun in order to buy a new gun. "The sellers are wrong..." because Alex the building supplies sales manager knows more than the big-time sellers of ammo. I get it. I don't have to sell a gun to buy a new gun, either. I'm not a gun collector. The only firearms I have and keep are the ones I shoot regularly...until I get bored with them. Have nice day. The sellers *are* wrong. Hornady wasn't enough to prove that? Find .45 ACP on this site, expert: http://www.saami.org/index.cfm The COMMISSION INTERNATIONALE PERMANENTE POUR L'EPREUVE DES ARMES A FEU PORTATIVES (C.I.P.) calls the round by its correct name, 45 Auto, also: http://www.cip-bobp.org/homologation...idge_type_id=4 Of course, that organization is not as knowledgeable about ammnution as Harry. |
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On 3/1/17 7:12 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 19:02:57 -0500, Alex wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/27/17 7:46 PM, Alex wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/25/17 10:11 PM, Alex wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/25/17 3:27 PM, Bill wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/25/17 1:41 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:59:52 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:43:18 -0500, Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:38:59 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/25/17 12:35 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: Just got first estimate for a sprinkler system. Five zones, front and back for $2950. That was a surprise. I would have guessed $8-10K. That's with three year warranty. Surprise, surprise. Will see what the next estimate looks like. Oh, you should definitely go for it...yeah... :) You know something about sprinkler systems? Now go to You Tube. Startling. https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...roblem+with+cz You call "About 861,000 results" only 'a few'. Wow. === I know someone with a custom CZ very similar to the one Harree claims to have owned. It's very reliable and accurate. I'm sure it is. I was simply making a point to Harree. 'Problem with Kimber' in You Tube gets "About 8,590 results" compared to "About 861,000 results" for 'problem with CZ' That's quite startling! Yeah, the 8500 Kimber hits have to do with problems with Kimber firearms. Almost all the 851,000 results you cited for CZ have nothing to do with CZ firearms. Hell, all guns can have a problem. My Ithaca Mdl 37 20ga jammed first time out pheasant hunting. Had a small piece of metal from the machining stuck in the action. Do not know where it was hiding, as I cleaned shotgun after buying. Then the worse POS I still have is a Remington semiauto 30.06. Is known as the jam-o-matic. I haven't had any serious issues with any of the firearms I've owned. I did have a short-term issue with my Mini 14 going into a sort of autofire mode, but I fixed that with a couple of turns of a trigger adjustment screw I had installed. I'm not a fan of the "1911" model or the .45 ACP ammo. The typical .357 MAG round is more of a stopper when you need it, and you can fire .38 Special rounds in a .357 MAG revolver. Some people can afford to have both and enjoy some variety at the range. BTW - .45 ACP ammo doesn't exist. It's .45 Auto. Oh, then I suppose this seller and many other sellers of .45 ACP ammo are providing non-existent ammo: https://www.ammunitiondepot.com/310-45-acp If I wanted a 1911 clone that fired .45 ACP, I'd get one. I don't like the pistols or the rounds much. The.357 MAGs hit harder in self-defense situations. If I were interested in the .45 ACP round, though, I'd consider a dual load .45 revolver, like this Ruger Redhawk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfcWPOecspQ The sellers are wrong and not providing non-existent ammo. The ammo pictured by this seller is labeled correctly - .45 Auto. A .45 Automatic Colt Pistol is a firearm - not a cartridge. I'm sure we can both agree that Hornady is at the top when it comes to quality ammunition. Try to find .45 ACP *anywhere* in their catalog: http://www.hornady.com/store/45-Auto In response to your rant - some people can afford to have several firearms for a variety of purposes. I have a few .357 Magnums and enjoy firing them, too. My Ruger SP101 is a great self-defense firearm and I prefer it over the J-frames. There's a lot of personal preference when it comes to guns and different calibers. I'm lucky enough that I no longer have to sell a gun in order to buy a new gun. "The sellers are wrong..." because Alex the building supplies sales manager knows more than the big-time sellers of ammo. I get it. I don't have to sell a gun to buy a new gun, either. I'm not a gun collector. The only firearms I have and keep are the ones I shoot regularly...until I get bored with them. Have nice day. The sellers *are* wrong. Hornady wasn't enough to prove that? Find .45 ACP on this site, expert: http://www.saami.org/index.cfm The COMMISSION INTERNATIONALE PERMANENTE POUR L'EPREUVE DES ARMES A FEU PORTATIVES (C.I.P.) calls the round by its correct name, 45 Auto, also: http://www.cip-bobp.org/homologation...idge_type_id=4 Of course, that organization is not as knowledgeable about ammnution as Harry. Wow...the rec.boats mooks suddenly are interested in precision in language. What a laugh. |
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Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 19:02:57 -0500, Alex wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/27/17 7:46 PM, Alex wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/25/17 10:11 PM, Alex wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/25/17 3:27 PM, Bill wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/25/17 1:41 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:59:52 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:43:18 -0500, Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:38:59 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/25/17 12:35 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: Just got first estimate for a sprinkler system. Five zones, front and back for $2950. That was a surprise. I would have guessed $8-10K. That's with three year warranty. Surprise, surprise. Will see what the next estimate looks like. Oh, you should definitely go for it...yeah... :) You know something about sprinkler systems? Now go to You Tube. Startling. https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...roblem+with+cz You call "About 861,000 results" only 'a few'. Wow. === I know someone with a custom CZ very similar to the one Harree claims to have owned. It's very reliable and accurate. I'm sure it is. I was simply making a point to Harree. 'Problem with Kimber' in You Tube gets "About 8,590 results" compared to "About 861,000 results" for 'problem with CZ' That's quite startling! Yeah, the 8500 Kimber hits have to do with problems with Kimber firearms. Almost all the 851,000 results you cited for CZ have nothing to do with CZ firearms. Hell, all guns can have a problem. My Ithaca Mdl 37 20ga jammed first time out pheasant hunting. Had a small piece of metal from the machining stuck in the action. Do not know where it was hiding, as I cleaned shotgun after buying. Then the worse POS I still have is a Remington semiauto 30.06. Is known as the jam-o-matic. I haven't had any serious issues with any of the firearms I've owned. I did have a short-term issue with my Mini 14 going into a sort of autofire mode, but I fixed that with a couple of turns of a trigger adjustment screw I had installed. I'm not a fan of the "1911" model or the .45 ACP ammo. The typical .357 MAG round is more of a stopper when you need it, and you can fire .38 Special rounds in a .357 MAG revolver. Some people can afford to have both and enjoy some variety at the range. BTW - .45 ACP ammo doesn't exist. It's .45 Auto. Oh, then I suppose this seller and many other sellers of .45 ACP ammo are providing non-existent ammo: https://www.ammunitiondepot.com/310-45-acp If I wanted a 1911 clone that fired .45 ACP, I'd get one. I don't like the pistols or the rounds much. The.357 MAGs hit harder in self-defense situations. If I were interested in the .45 ACP round, though, I'd consider a dual load .45 revolver, like this Ruger Redhawk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfcWPOecspQ The sellers are wrong and not providing non-existent ammo. The ammo pictured by this seller is labeled correctly - .45 Auto. A .45 Automatic Colt Pistol is a firearm - not a cartridge. I'm sure we can both agree that Hornady is at the top when it comes to quality ammunition. Try to find .45 ACP *anywhere* in their catalog: http://www.hornady.com/store/45-Auto In response to your rant - some people can afford to have several firearms for a variety of purposes. I have a few .357 Magnums and enjoy firing them, too. My Ruger SP101 is a great self-defense firearm and I prefer it over the J-frames. There's a lot of personal preference when it comes to guns and different calibers. I'm lucky enough that I no longer have to sell a gun in order to buy a new gun. "The sellers are wrong..." because Alex the building supplies sales manager knows more than the big-time sellers of ammo. I get it. I don't have to sell a gun to buy a new gun, either. I'm not a gun collector. The only firearms I have and keep are the ones I shoot regularly...until I get bored with them. Have nice day. The sellers *are* wrong. Hornady wasn't enough to prove that? Find .45 ACP on this site, expert: http://www.saami.org/index.cfm The COMMISSION INTERNATIONALE PERMANENTE POUR L'EPREUVE DES ARMES A FEU PORTATIVES (C.I.P.) calls the round by its correct name, 45 Auto, also: http://www.cip-bobp.org/homologation...idge_type_id=4 Of course, that organization is not as knowledgeable about ammnution as Harry. They have only been around for 100 years. |
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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/1/17 7:12 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 19:02:57 -0500, Alex wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/27/17 7:46 PM, Alex wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/25/17 10:11 PM, Alex wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/25/17 3:27 PM, Bill wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/25/17 1:41 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:59:52 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:43:18 -0500, Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:38:59 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/25/17 12:35 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: Just got first estimate for a sprinkler system. Five zones, front and back for $2950. That was a surprise. I would have guessed $8-10K. That's with three year warranty. Surprise, surprise. Will see what the next estimate looks like. Oh, you should definitely go for it...yeah... :) You know something about sprinkler systems? Now go to You Tube. Startling. https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...roblem+with+cz You call "About 861,000 results" only 'a few'. Wow. === I know someone with a custom CZ very similar to the one Harree claims to have owned. It's very reliable and accurate. I'm sure it is. I was simply making a point to Harree. 'Problem with Kimber' in You Tube gets "About 8,590 results" compared to "About 861,000 results" for 'problem with CZ' That's quite startling! Yeah, the 8500 Kimber hits have to do with problems with Kimber firearms. Almost all the 851,000 results you cited for CZ have nothing to do with CZ firearms. Hell, all guns can have a problem. My Ithaca Mdl 37 20ga jammed first time out pheasant hunting. Had a small piece of metal from the machining stuck in the action. Do not know where it was hiding, as I cleaned shotgun after buying. Then the worse POS I still have is a Remington semiauto 30.06. Is known as the jam-o-matic. I haven't had any serious issues with any of the firearms I've owned. I did have a short-term issue with my Mini 14 going into a sort of autofire mode, but I fixed that with a couple of turns of a trigger adjustment screw I had installed. I'm not a fan of the "1911" model or the .45 ACP ammo. The typical .357 MAG round is more of a stopper when you need it, and you can fire .38 Special rounds in a .357 MAG revolver. Some people can afford to have both and enjoy some variety at the range. BTW - .45 ACP ammo doesn't exist. It's .45 Auto. Oh, then I suppose this seller and many other sellers of .45 ACP ammo are providing non-existent ammo: https://www.ammunitiondepot.com/310-45-acp If I wanted a 1911 clone that fired .45 ACP, I'd get one. I don't like the pistols or the rounds much. The.357 MAGs hit harder in self-defense situations. If I were interested in the .45 ACP round, though, I'd consider a dual load .45 revolver, like this Ruger Redhawk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfcWPOecspQ The sellers are wrong and not providing non-existent ammo. The ammo pictured by this seller is labeled correctly - .45 Auto. A .45 Automatic Colt Pistol is a firearm - not a cartridge. I'm sure we can both agree that Hornady is at the top when it comes to quality ammunition. Try to find .45 ACP *anywhere* in their catalog: http://www.hornady.com/store/45-Auto In response to your rant - some people can afford to have several firearms for a variety of purposes. I have a few .357 Magnums and enjoy firing them, too. My Ruger SP101 is a great self-defense firearm and I prefer it over the J-frames. There's a lot of personal preference when it comes to guns and different calibers. I'm lucky enough that I no longer have to sell a gun in order to buy a new gun. "The sellers are wrong..." because Alex the building supplies sales manager knows more than the big-time sellers of ammo. I get it. I don't have to sell a gun to buy a new gun, either. I'm not a gun collector. The only firearms I have and keep are the ones I shoot regularly...until I get bored with them. Have nice day. The sellers *are* wrong. Hornady wasn't enough to prove that? Find .45 ACP on this site, expert: http://www.saami.org/index.cfm The COMMISSION INTERNATIONALE PERMANENTE POUR L'EPREUVE DES ARMES A FEU PORTATIVES (C.I.P.) calls the round by its correct name, 45 Auto, also: http://www.cip-bobp.org/homologation...idge_type_id=4 Of course, that organization is not as knowledgeable about ammnution as Harry. Wow...the rec.boats mooks suddenly are interested in precision in language. What a laugh. You are defending advertisers that are WRONG. What a laugh. |
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On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 19:50:00 -0500, Alex wrote:
Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 19:02:57 -0500, Alex wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/27/17 7:46 PM, Alex wrote: snipped "The sellers are wrong..." because Alex the building supplies sales manager knows more than the big-time sellers of ammo. I get it. snipped Have nice day. The sellers *are* wrong. Hornady wasn't enough to prove that? Find .45 ACP on this site, expert: http://www.saami.org/index.cfm The COMMISSION INTERNATIONALE PERMANENTE POUR L'EPREUVE DES ARMES A FEU PORTATIVES (C.I.P.) calls the round by its correct name, 45 Auto, also: http://www.cip-bobp.org/homologation...idge_type_id=4 Of course, that organization is not as knowledgeable about ammnution as Harry. They have only been around for 100 years. Harry would probably say these folks got it wrong: https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/i...dyMfEQz6TK1gU_ http://www.toddclarkdesigns.com/v/vs...tos/CL01-3.jpg https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/i...kc18XAmaEB8PQk https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...uiBKfMlQiiwi0H https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...97fc50b1f0.jpg http://truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdn...ammo.com_1.jpg https://img0.etsystatic.com/032/0/80...81150_ii77.jpg http://image.sportsmansguide.com/adi.../207427_ts.jpg And, there're probably a bunch more out there. I noticed none that had '.45 ACP' on the base of the cartridge. |
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On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 8:10:55 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/1/17 7:12 AM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 19:02:57 -0500, Alex wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/27/17 7:46 PM, Alex wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/25/17 10:11 PM, Alex wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/25/17 3:27 PM, Bill wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/25/17 1:41 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:59:52 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:43:18 -0500, Poco Deplorevole wrote: On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:38:59 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/25/17 12:35 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote: Just got first estimate for a sprinkler system. Five zones, front and back for $2950. That was a surprise. I would have guessed $8-10K. That's with three year warranty. Surprise, surprise. Will see what the next estimate looks like. Oh, you should definitely go for it...yeah... :) You know something about sprinkler systems? Now go to You Tube. Startling. https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...roblem+with+cz You call "About 861,000 results" only 'a few'. Wow. === I know someone with a custom CZ very similar to the one Harree claims to have owned. It's very reliable and accurate. I'm sure it is. I was simply making a point to Harree. 'Problem with Kimber' in You Tube gets "About 8,590 results" compared to "About 861,000 results" for 'problem with CZ' That's quite startling! Yeah, the 8500 Kimber hits have to do with problems with Kimber firearms. Almost all the 851,000 results you cited for CZ have nothing to do with CZ firearms. Hell, all guns can have a problem. My Ithaca Mdl 37 20ga jammed first time out pheasant hunting. Had a small piece of metal from the machining stuck in the action. Do not know where it was hiding, as I cleaned shotgun after buying. Then the worse POS I still have is a Remington semiauto 30.06. Is known as the jam-o-matic. I haven't had any serious issues with any of the firearms I've owned. I did have a short-term issue with my Mini 14 going into a sort of autofire mode, but I fixed that with a couple of turns of a trigger adjustment screw I had installed. I'm not a fan of the "1911" model or the .45 ACP ammo. The typical .357 MAG round is more of a stopper when you need it, and you can fire .38 Special rounds in a .357 MAG revolver. Some people can afford to have both and enjoy some variety at the range. BTW - .45 ACP ammo doesn't exist. It's .45 Auto. Oh, then I suppose this seller and many other sellers of .45 ACP ammo are providing non-existent ammo: https://www.ammunitiondepot.com/310-45-acp If I wanted a 1911 clone that fired .45 ACP, I'd get one. I don't like the pistols or the rounds much. The.357 MAGs hit harder in self-defense situations. If I were interested in the .45 ACP round, though, I'd consider a dual load .45 revolver, like this Ruger Redhawk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfcWPOecspQ The sellers are wrong and not providing non-existent ammo. The ammo pictured by this seller is labeled correctly - .45 Auto. A .45 Automatic Colt Pistol is a firearm - not a cartridge. I'm sure we can both agree that Hornady is at the top when it comes to quality ammunition. Try to find .45 ACP *anywhere* in their catalog: http://www.hornady.com/store/45-Auto In response to your rant - some people can afford to have several firearms for a variety of purposes. I have a few .357 Magnums and enjoy firing them, too. My Ruger SP101 is a great self-defense firearm and I prefer it over the J-frames. There's a lot of personal preference when it comes to guns and different calibers. I'm lucky enough that I no longer have to sell a gun in order to buy a new gun. "The sellers are wrong..." because Alex the building supplies sales manager knows more than the big-time sellers of ammo. I get it. I don't have to sell a gun to buy a new gun, either. I'm not a gun collector. The only firearms I have and keep are the ones I shoot regularly...until I get bored with them. Have nice day. The sellers *are* wrong. Hornady wasn't enough to prove that? Find .45 ACP on this site, expert: http://www.saami.org/index.cfm The COMMISSION INTERNATIONALE PERMANENTE POUR L'EPREUVE DES ARMES A FEU PORTATIVES (C.I.P.) calls the round by its correct name, 45 Auto, also: http://www.cip-bobp.org/homologation...idge_type_id=4 Of course, that organization is not as knowledgeable about ammnution as Harry. Wow...the rec.boats mooks suddenly are interested in precision in language. What a laugh. Harry, if you're going to post about ammunition, you should be precise. After all, wasn't it you who said: "I appreciate the fact that typically a lot of you righties resent it when someone tries to be precise in the use of language and properly qualifies a statement ...apparently it interferes with your core belief that all lefties believe one way and all righties believe another way on all issues." I suppose you were trying to be precise...but failed...again. |
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