On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 15:49:13 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

I have a friend who used to be really wealthy. Very big landscape
contractor. He bought cars for his kids, etc. most of his kids are social
disasters. Grandkids a mixed bunch. One, 28 yo girl, got a DUI while
coming from work at a pizza parlor, and cashed a check from grandpa she
should not have. Was for rent only, which she did not need. My kids both
turned out well, did not overspend the credit cards in university. They had
to buy their first cars, so they know what it takes. I did buy them new
cars when they went in to their senior years at university. But both still
do not waste money.

Nobody ever bought me a car but I have bought a bunch for my wife and
kids. Yet I am the one still driving the 20 year old Honda. What's
wrong with this picture? ;-)

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On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 15:49:13 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

I have a friend who used to be really wealthy. Very big landscape
contractor. He bought cars for his kids, etc. most of his kids are social
disasters. Grandkids a mixed bunch. One, 28 yo girl, got a DUI while
coming from work at a pizza parlor, and cashed a check from grandpa she
should not have. Was for rent only, which she did not need. My kids both
turned out well, did not overspend the credit cards in university. They had
to buy their first cars, so they know what it takes. I did buy them new
cars when they went in to their senior years at university. But both still
do not waste money.

Nobody ever bought me a car but I have bought a bunch for my wife and
kids. Yet I am the one still driving the 20 year old Honda. What's
wrong with this picture? ;-)


I drive a lot. So drive a 12 year old pickup, that replaced a 99 Ford
Expedition, that I had for company car at TI.. And an 1989 S10 pickup.
Wife got a new Toyota in 2009 to replace a 1995 S10 Blazer. Blazer, end of
safe life. And the Expedition did not fit my requirement for a camper and
boat puller. Basically drive until wore out. Am looking at a Chevy Volt
for,around town. Easy parking, and carpool lane friendly.

On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 23:52:33 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

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On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 15:49:13 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

I have a friend who used to be really wealthy. Very big landscape
contractor. He bought cars for his kids, etc. most of his kids are social
disasters. Grandkids a mixed bunch. One, 28 yo girl, got a DUI while
coming from work at a pizza parlor, and cashed a check from grandpa she
should not have. Was for rent only, which she did not need. My kids both
turned out well, did not overspend the credit cards in university. They had
to buy their first cars, so they know what it takes. I did buy them new
cars when they went in to their senior years at university. But both still
do not waste money.

Nobody ever bought me a car but I have bought a bunch for my wife and
kids. Yet I am the one still driving the 20 year old Honda. What's
wrong with this picture? ;-)


I drive a lot. So drive a 12 year old pickup, that replaced a 99 Ford
Expedition, that I had for company car at TI.. And an 1989 S10 pickup.
Wife got a new Toyota in 2009 to replace a 1995 S10 Blazer. Blazer, end of
safe life. And the Expedition did not fit my requirement for a camper and
boat puller. Basically drive until wore out. Am looking at a Chevy Volt
for,around town. Easy parking, and carpool lane friendly.

I don't drive that much these days It is about 1500 miles a year or
something. I really can't justify buying a new car and I don't measure
my self worth by what I drive.
My Prelude is rare enough to be unique, it still handles pretty well
and is fast enough for me so I am OK with it

On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 23:52:33 -0600, Califbill wrote:

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On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 15:49:13 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

I have a friend who used to be really wealthy. Very big landscape
contractor. He bought cars for his kids, etc. most of his kids are social
disasters. Grandkids a mixed bunch. One, 28 yo girl, got a DUI while
coming from work at a pizza parlor, and cashed a check from grandpa she
should not have. Was for rent only, which she did not need. My kids both
turned out well, did not overspend the credit cards in university. They had
to buy their first cars, so they know what it takes. I did buy them new
cars when they went in to their senior years at university. But both still
do not waste money.

Nobody ever bought me a car but I have bought a bunch for my wife and
kids. Yet I am the one still driving the 20 year old Honda. What's
wrong with this picture? ;-)


I drive a lot. So drive a 12 year old pickup, that replaced a 99 Ford
Expedition, that I had for company car at TI.. And an 1989 S10 pickup.
Wife got a new Toyota in 2009 to replace a 1995 S10 Blazer. Blazer, end of
safe life. And the Expedition did not fit my requirement for a camper and
boat puller. Basically drive until wore out. Am looking at a Chevy Volt
for,around town. Easy parking, and carpool lane friendly.

My wife has a 2013 diesel Volks which she will be selling back to the dealer because of VW's diesel
cheating. She'll get a check for about 25.6K which she's using to buy a new Suburu Outback. Nice
car. Much more comfortable than the VW and the mileage is pretty good. With the difference in price
'tween gas and diesel, she breaks close to even.

On Thursday, December 1, 2016 at 11:18:33 AM UTC-5, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 23:52:33 -0600, Califbill wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 15:49:13 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

I have a friend who used to be really wealthy. Very big landscape
contractor. He bought cars for his kids, etc. most of his kids are social
disasters. Grandkids a mixed bunch. One, 28 yo girl, got a DUI while
coming from work at a pizza parlor, and cashed a check from grandpa she
should not have. Was for rent only, which she did not need. My kids both
turned out well, did not overspend the credit cards in university. They had
to buy their first cars, so they know what it takes. I did buy them new
cars when they went in to their senior years at university. But both still
do not waste money.

Nobody ever bought me a car but I have bought a bunch for my wife and
kids. Yet I am the one still driving the 20 year old Honda. What's
wrong with this picture? ;-)


I drive a lot. So drive a 12 year old pickup, that replaced a 99 Ford
Expedition, that I had for company car at TI.. And an 1989 S10 pickup.
Wife got a new Toyota in 2009 to replace a 1995 S10 Blazer. Blazer, end of
safe life. And the Expedition did not fit my requirement for a camper and
boat puller. Basically drive until wore out. Am looking at a Chevy Volt
for,around town. Easy parking, and carpool lane friendly.

My wife has a 2013 diesel Volks which she will be selling back to the dealer because of VW's diesel
cheating. She'll get a check for about 25.6K which she's using to buy a new Suburu Outback. Nice
car. Much more comfortable than the VW and the mileage is pretty good. With the difference in price
'tween gas and diesel, she breaks close to even.

Are they doing buy-backs? I had heard that they were coming up with a fix they could apply to bring them into compliance.

On Thu, 1 Dec 2016 10:05:56 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote:

On Thursday, December 1, 2016 at 11:18:33 AM UTC-5, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 23:52:33 -0600, Califbill wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 15:49:13 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

I have a friend who used to be really wealthy. Very big landscape
contractor. He bought cars for his kids, etc. most of his kids are social
disasters. Grandkids a mixed bunch. One, 28 yo girl, got a DUI while
coming from work at a pizza parlor, and cashed a check from grandpa she
should not have. Was for rent only, which she did not need. My kids both
turned out well, did not overspend the credit cards in university. They had
to buy their first cars, so they know what it takes. I did buy them new
cars when they went in to their senior years at university. But both still
do not waste money.

Nobody ever bought me a car but I have bought a bunch for my wife and
kids. Yet I am the one still driving the 20 year old Honda. What's
wrong with this picture? ;-)


I drive a lot. So drive a 12 year old pickup, that replaced a 99 Ford
Expedition, that I had for company car at TI.. And an 1989 S10 pickup.
Wife got a new Toyota in 2009 to replace a 1995 S10 Blazer. Blazer, end of
safe life. And the Expedition did not fit my requirement for a camper and
boat puller. Basically drive until wore out. Am looking at a Chevy Volt
for,around town. Easy parking, and carpool lane friendly.

My wife has a 2013 diesel Volks which she will be selling back to the dealer because of VW's diesel
cheating. She'll get a check for about 25.6K which she's using to buy a new Suburu Outback. Nice
car. Much more comfortable than the VW and the mileage is pretty good. With the difference in price
'tween gas and diesel, she breaks close to even.

Are they doing buy-backs? I had heard that they were coming up with a fix they could apply to bring them into compliance.

The owners had a choice - buyback or a fix. No one really new how the 'fix' would affect the new
mileage, performance, or future value.

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:26:32 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

The owners had a choice - buyback or a fix. No one really new how the 'fix' would affect the new
mileage, performance, or future value.

Of course everyone knows. Mileage will go down when they tune the
computer for lower emissions. Otherwise they would not have cheated in
the first place.

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 15:39:34 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:26:32 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

The owners had a choice - buyback or a fix. No one really new how the 'fix' would affect the new
mileage, performance, or future value.

Of course everyone knows. Mileage will go down when they tune the
computer for lower emissions. Otherwise they would not have cheated in
the first place.

Yeah, but no one knows how far down.

Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 23:52:33 -0600, Califbill wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 15:49:13 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

I have a friend who used to be really wealthy. Very big landscape
contractor. He bought cars for his kids, etc. most of his kids are social
disasters. Grandkids a mixed bunch. One, 28 yo girl, got a DUI while
coming from work at a pizza parlor, and cashed a check from grandpa she
should not have. Was for rent only, which she did not need. My kids both
turned out well, did not overspend the credit cards in university. They had
to buy their first cars, so they know what it takes. I did buy them new
cars when they went in to their senior years at university. But both still
do not waste money.
Nobody ever bought me a car but I have bought a bunch for my wife and
kids. Yet I am the one still driving the 20 year old Honda. What's
wrong with this picture? ;-)

I drive a lot. So drive a 12 year old pickup, that replaced a 99 Ford
Expedition, that I had for company car at TI.. And an 1989 S10 pickup.
Wife got a new Toyota in 2009 to replace a 1995 S10 Blazer. Blazer, end of
safe life. And the Expedition did not fit my requirement for a camper and
boat puller. Basically drive until wore out. Am looking at a Chevy Volt
for,around town. Easy parking, and carpool lane friendly.
My wife has a 2013 diesel Volks which she will be selling back to the dealer because of VW's diesel
cheating. She'll get a check for about 25.6K which she's using to buy a new Suburu Outback. Nice
car. Much more comfortable than the VW and the mileage is pretty good. With the difference in price
'tween gas and diesel, she breaks close to even.

She will like not having to look for open diesel pumps. I had a diesel
BMW and that was the worst thing about it.

On Thu, 1 Dec 2016 19:50:24 -0500, Alex wrote:

She will like not having to look for open diesel pumps. I had a diesel
BMW and that was the worst thing about it.

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It depends where you live. Some places have lots of diesel pumps,
others you have to look around.