Its Me wrote:
On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 5:27:04 PM UTC-5, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 13:41:45 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote:

On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 3:26:15 PM UTC-5, Poquito Loco wrote:
...but I'll bet if they looked at just the Asian students in the USA
we'd be at the top of the list,
or close to it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...5e5_story.html

"Singapore topped the rankings, taking first place in both grades for
math and science on the
tests,..."

"Hong Kong, South Korea, Taiwan and Japan also dominated the lists for
each grade in both subjects."

As I'm sure you are aware, those countries are largely homogeneous
societies with very strong values and school/work ethics. The children
aren't coddled, they don't all get trophies at the end of the season.
They are expected to perform. Very different than here.

Those countries are no places for snowflakes.

Exactly, and the vast majority of parents of Asian kids here instill the
same values and work
ethics. That's my point.

I've always been impressed that they can come to this country barely
speaking English and not largely knowing the laws and customs of our
country, and in a generation the parents own a business and the kids are
becoming doctors,lawyers and engineers. This is the land of opportunity,
it just doesn't land in your lap because you were born here.


Depends. I have Cambodian friends. She owns a donut shop, husband is now
a laid off machinist who works the shop. One daughter did not finish high
school, and nearly 30 Y.O. and no GED. Other is going to JC. Older kid,
did not seem to inherit the worker gene.

On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 21:09:58 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

Depends. I have Cambodian friends. She owns a donut shop, husband is now
a laid off machinist who works the shop. One daughter did not finish high
school, and nearly 30 Y.O. and no GED. Other is going to JC. Older kid,
did not seem to inherit the worker gene.

That seems to cross all ethnic and nationalities. We have plenty of
American snowflakes who lost the worker gene. My latino friends are
saying that about kids in their culture too.

On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 10:17:42 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 21:09:58 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

Depends. I have Cambodian friends. She owns a donut shop, husband is now
a laid off machinist who works the shop. One daughter did not finish high
school, and nearly 30 Y.O. and no GED. Other is going to JC. Older kid,
did not seem to inherit the worker gene.

That seems to cross all ethnic and nationalities. We have plenty of
American snowflakes who lost the worker gene. My latino friends are
saying that about kids in their culture too.

Maybe it's the modern American culture that poison's them?

On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 19:30:09 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 10:17:42 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 21:09:58 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

Depends. I have Cambodian friends. She owns a donut shop, husband is now
a laid off machinist who works the shop. One daughter did not finish high
school, and nearly 30 Y.O. and no GED. Other is going to JC. Older kid,
did not seem to inherit the worker gene.

That seems to cross all ethnic and nationalities. We have plenty of
American snowflakes who lost the worker gene. My latino friends are
saying that about kids in their culture too.

Maybe it's the modern American culture that poison's them?

I believe that. We have several generations of kids who have never had
to work for anything and really have had nothing bad happen to them.
When things don't work out for them they are victims and society has
failed them. The safety net has become a hammock.

wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 19:30:09 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 10:17:42 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 21:09:58 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

Depends. I have Cambodian friends. She owns a donut shop, husband is now
a laid off machinist who works the shop. One daughter did not finish high
school, and nearly 30 Y.O. and no GED. Other is going to JC. Older kid,
did not seem to inherit the worker gene.

That seems to cross all ethnic and nationalities. We have plenty of
American snowflakes who lost the worker gene. My latino friends are
saying that about kids in their culture too.

Maybe it's the modern American culture that poison's them?

I believe that. We have several generations of kids who have never had
to work for anything and really have had nothing bad happen to them.
When things don't work out for them they are victims and society has
failed them. The safety net has become a hammock.


We went to the Santa Cruz mountains to cut our Christmas tree today. Then
got a pizza and went towards the surfers at Steamer Lane. Passed a couple
of homeless encampments. Biggest percentage were probably under 30. I
guess mom and dad got tired of them free loading, so they had to,move out
and depend on the welfare system. Good pay for no work.

On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 23:39:02 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 19:30:09 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 10:17:42 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 21:09:58 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

Depends. I have Cambodian friends. She owns a donut shop, husband is now
a laid off machinist who works the shop. One daughter did not finish high
school, and nearly 30 Y.O. and no GED. Other is going to JC. Older kid,
did not seem to inherit the worker gene.

That seems to cross all ethnic and nationalities. We have plenty of
American snowflakes who lost the worker gene. My latino friends are
saying that about kids in their culture too.

Maybe it's the modern American culture that poison's them?

I believe that. We have several generations of kids who have never had
to work for anything and really have had nothing bad happen to them.
When things don't work out for them they are victims and society has
failed them. The safety net has become a hammock.

===

I don't think that's universally true. It would be easy (but self
serving) to point out my own kids as an example. Instead I'd point
out their friends, who for the most part studied hard and worked hard
to get into good schools, have gotten graduate degrees, and have
hustled to establish themselves in good careers. For kids who have
done otherwise, a certain amount of blame falls to the parents who
frequently did not do enough to point them in the right direction and
keep them moving forward. I can point to several cases where parents
are still subsidizing their kids lackadasical lifestyle well into
their 30s.

keep them moving forward. I can point to several cases where parents
are still subsidizing their kids lackadasical lifestyle well into
their 30s.
----

And beyond..

On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 10:33:33 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

keep them moving forward. I can point to several cases where parents
are still subsidizing their kids lackadasical lifestyle well into
their 30s.
----

And beyond..

===

No motivation there. What are the chances that the kid will ever get
their act together in a case like that?

On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 1:19:58 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 23:39:02 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 19:30:09 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 10:17:42 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 21:09:58 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

Depends. I have Cambodian friends. She owns a donut shop, husband is now
a laid off machinist who works the shop. One daughter did not finish high
school, and nearly 30 Y.O. and no GED. Other is going to JC. Older kid,
did not seem to inherit the worker gene.

That seems to cross all ethnic and nationalities. We have plenty of
American snowflakes who lost the worker gene. My latino friends are
saying that about kids in their culture too.

Maybe it's the modern American culture that poison's them?

I believe that. We have several generations of kids who have never had
to work for anything and really have had nothing bad happen to them.
When things don't work out for them they are victims and society has
failed them. The safety net has become a hammock.

===

I don't think that's universally true. It would be easy (but self
serving) to point out my own kids as an example. Instead I'd point
out their friends, who for the most part studied hard and worked hard
to get into good schools, have gotten graduate degrees, and have
hustled to establish themselves in good careers. For kids who have
done otherwise, a certain amount of blame falls to the parents who
frequently did not do enough to point them in the right direction and
keep them moving forward. I can point to several cases where parents
are still subsidizing their kids lackadasical lifestyle well into
their 30s.

The education process is like a three legged stool - parents, teachers, and students. If one leg is ineffective, the stool won't stand. In my experience, too damn many parents don't give a damm. It's 'too hard' to make their kids do the work, so they just let it go - and blame the teachers, of course. That's not to say that there aren't also a potful of ****ty teachers out there too. The NEA and AFT make it very hard to get rid of them. Now, I'm only badmouthing about 10-15% of the kids. The other 85-90% are great kids (and parents) and fun to work with.

On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 13:19:49 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 23:39:02 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 19:30:09 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 10:17:42 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 21:09:58 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

Depends. I have Cambodian friends. She owns a donut shop, husband is now
a laid off machinist who works the shop. One daughter did not finish high
school, and nearly 30 Y.O. and no GED. Other is going to JC. Older kid,
did not seem to inherit the worker gene.

That seems to cross all ethnic and nationalities. We have plenty of
American snowflakes who lost the worker gene. My latino friends are
saying that about kids in their culture too.

Maybe it's the modern American culture that poison's them?

I believe that. We have several generations of kids who have never had
to work for anything and really have had nothing bad happen to them.
When things don't work out for them they are victims and society has
failed them. The safety net has become a hammock.

===

I don't think that's universally true. It would be easy (but self
serving) to point out my own kids as an example. Instead I'd point
out their friends, who for the most part studied hard and worked hard
to get into good schools, have gotten graduate degrees, and have
hustled to establish themselves in good careers. For kids who have
done otherwise, a certain amount of blame falls to the parents who
frequently did not do enough to point them in the right direction and
keep them moving forward. I can point to several cases where parents
are still subsidizing their kids lackadasical lifestyle well into
their 30s.

Even some of those who did do everything right like my son in law is
still buried so deep in college debt that his Masters degree and his
law degree are barely enough to pay his bills but that is a whole
other story.
I know lots of 20 somethings still living home with Mom and expecting
the world to come get them and make them rich some day. The other
problem, that drives my wife crazy is the 20-30 somethings who think
it is a god given right to manage their social network pages, shop and
surf the web at work. Sometimes the office internet connection is
crawling in the mud because there are a dozen people looking at cat
videos on You Tube. Needless to say viruses are a constant problem and
they have paid ransomware already to get the server back.
I would have fired someone over that but she says the lawyers said no,
not enough proof. (Even though the IT company tracked it back to one
computer and one non work related click).
If that happened at IBM when I was there, somebody would have been
carrying a box to the car with all of their personal **** in it, never
to return.