wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 18:21:33 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/20/16 4:52 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 16:26:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


I didn't put the movie down, JackGoff. And it really isn't a movie about
motorcycles.

The motorcycles are certainly the stars of the movie, particularly
Fonda's. Other than that it is just a music video with 15 or 20 pages
of random dialog cut in. As I said earlier, the soundtrack album is
better than a DVD of the movie. I have a half dozen of the songs in my
playlist but I have not watched the movie in 30 years.


Opinions are like assholes.The motorcycles were props.

Yeah, like "Bruce" was just a prop in Jaws.

A simple review
on Wiki notes, correctly:

A landmark counterculture film, and a "touchstone for a generation" that
"captured the national imagination", Easy Rider explores the societal
landscape, issues, and tensions in the United States during the 1960s,
such as the rise and fall of the hippie movement, drug use, and communal
lifestyle. In Easy Rider, real drugs were used in scenes showing the use
of marijuana and other substances.


It shows in the directing (Hopper)


You might have paid more attention to what the movie was saying, rather
than just to the motorcycles.


What did it say? Smoke dope, drop acid and get murdered?
Real inspirational.
It is amusing that as soon as I said I didn't really care for the
movie that much, you flip flopped and became a raving fan.

Did I ever tell you how much I admire Hillary Clinton ;-)



It isn't one of my favorite movies, but I appreciate what it had to say
about our culture at the time.

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On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 19:56:43 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:


What did it say? Smoke dope, drop acid and get murdered?
Real inspirational.
It is amusing that as soon as I said I didn't really care for the
movie that much, you flip flopped and became a raving fan.

Did I ever tell you how much I admire Hillary Clinton ;-)



It isn't one of my favorite movies, but I appreciate what it had to say
about our culture at the time.

Again, what exactly did it say? Smuggle cocaine, make enough money to
smoke dope, drop acid and ride around ****ing up until you give the
finger to the wrong redneck and get shot.
It certainly did not relate much to the America I knew in 1969 and I
doubt it did for you either. You only believe it was inspirational
because arty people said it was. The fact that you had to go to a wiki
page for the review seems to back that up.

Next time I am bored I will watch it again to see if there was some
hidden message I missed or really give a **** about.
I am really more curious if they did mix pan heads and knuckle heads
though. The best I can find is they used a 52 and a 54 Harley (pan
heads) for Captain America and one of them was totaled during the
shooting of the movie.
That is more interesting than whether they were dropping the green
acid or the brown acid at Marti Gras.

On 8/20/16 8:48 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 19:56:43 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:


What did it say? Smoke dope, drop acid and get murdered?
Real inspirational.
It is amusing that as soon as I said I didn't really care for the
movie that much, you flip flopped and became a raving fan.

Did I ever tell you how much I admire Hillary Clinton ;-)



It isn't one of my favorite movies, but I appreciate what it had to say
about our culture at the time.

Again, what exactly did it say? Smuggle cocaine, make enough money to
smoke dope, drop acid and ride around ****ing up until you give the
finger to the wrong redneck and get shot.
It certainly did not relate much to the America I knew in 1969 and I
doubt it did for you either. You only believe it was inspirational
because arty people said it was. The fact that you had to go to a wiki
page for the review seems to back that up.

Next time I am bored I will watch it again to see if there was some
hidden message I missed or really give a **** about.
I am really more curious if they did mix pan heads and knuckle heads
though. The best I can find is they used a 52 and a 54 Harley (pan
heads) for Captain America and one of them was totaled during the
shooting of the movie.
That is more interesting than whether they were dropping the green
acid or the brown acid at Marti Gras.


I quoted from the Wiki page because it was fast, easy, and simple. This
is rec.boats, after all.

"Arty people." Love it.

On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 07:12:01 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/20/16 8:48 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 19:56:43 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:


What did it say? Smoke dope, drop acid and get murdered?
Real inspirational.
It is amusing that as soon as I said I didn't really care for the
movie that much, you flip flopped and became a raving fan.

Did I ever tell you how much I admire Hillary Clinton ;-)



It isn't one of my favorite movies, but I appreciate what it had to say
about our culture at the time.

Again, what exactly did it say? Smuggle cocaine, make enough money to
smoke dope, drop acid and ride around ****ing up until you give the
finger to the wrong redneck and get shot.
It certainly did not relate much to the America I knew in 1969 and I
doubt it did for you either. You only believe it was inspirational
because arty people said it was. The fact that you had to go to a wiki
page for the review seems to back that up.

Next time I am bored I will watch it again to see if there was some
hidden message I missed or really give a **** about.
I am really more curious if they did mix pan heads and knuckle heads
though. The best I can find is they used a 52 and a 54 Harley (pan
heads) for Captain America and one of them was totaled during the
shooting of the movie.
That is more interesting than whether they were dropping the green
acid or the brown acid at Marti Gras.


I quoted from the Wiki page because it was fast, easy, and simple. This
is rec.boats, after all.

"Arty people." Love it.

I think most of the "message" comes from the song lyrics in the sound
track. In that regard, Roger McGuinn, Bob Dylan, Carole King and Mars
Bonfire should have relieved screen writer credits. They wrote most of
the definitive thoughts. When you watch the movie, the most compelling
scenes are helicopter and dolly shots of them riding through the
countryside or walking around, with a catchy tune playing. Hence my
statement that it is largely a music video.

On 8/21/16 12:32 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 07:12:01 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/20/16 8:48 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 19:56:43 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:


What did it say? Smoke dope, drop acid and get murdered?
Real inspirational.
It is amusing that as soon as I said I didn't really care for the
movie that much, you flip flopped and became a raving fan.

Did I ever tell you how much I admire Hillary Clinton ;-)



It isn't one of my favorite movies, but I appreciate what it had to say
about our culture at the time.

Again, what exactly did it say? Smuggle cocaine, make enough money to
smoke dope, drop acid and ride around ****ing up until you give the
finger to the wrong redneck and get shot.
It certainly did not relate much to the America I knew in 1969 and I
doubt it did for you either. You only believe it was inspirational
because arty people said it was. The fact that you had to go to a wiki
page for the review seems to back that up.

Next time I am bored I will watch it again to see if there was some
hidden message I missed or really give a **** about.
I am really more curious if they did mix pan heads and knuckle heads
though. The best I can find is they used a 52 and a 54 Harley (pan
heads) for Captain America and one of them was totaled during the
shooting of the movie.
That is more interesting than whether they were dropping the green
acid or the brown acid at Marti Gras.


I quoted from the Wiki page because it was fast, easy, and simple. This
is rec.boats, after all.

"Arty people." Love it.

I think most of the "message" comes from the song lyrics in the sound
track. In that regard, Roger McGuinn, Bob Dylan, Carole King and Mars
Bonfire should have relieved screen writer credits. They wrote most of
the definitive thoughts. When you watch the movie, the most compelling
scenes are helicopter and dolly shots of them riding through the
countryside or walking around, with a catchy tune playing. Hence my
statement that it is largely a music video.


You just don't understand the movie.

Roger Ebert said this about it, among other things:

Its strong point is the role of the self-proclaimed rebel in a
conformist society. It's not just bike freaks who get in trouble when
they challenge the establishment -- it's everybody, even Old George
(Jack Nicholson character).

And yet, "Easy Rider" suggests, it's not as simple as that. We almost
forget that the Fonda and Hopper characters have also sold out. Victims
can sell out just as well as their persecutors. They sold out because
what they were trying to be was the mirror image of the rednecks in the
truck, and neither life-style is healthy. And so there they were, their
gas tanks stuffed full of bribes from the establishment, and you
remember hearing somewhere that, in the South, "easy rider" is slang for
a prostitute's lover.

I suspect there are hundreds of classic and near-classic films you don't
get, and that would include most of the "foreign films" of the 50's and
60's. You seem to suffer from ennui about many things ethereal and
artistic. Opera, after all, is nothing more than silly plots and
costumes with singing, right?

On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 12:46:00 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You just don't understand the movie.

Roger Ebert said this about it, among other things:

Its strong point is the role of the self-proclaimed rebel in a
conformist society. It's not just bike freaks who get in trouble when
they challenge the establishment -- it's everybody, even Old George
(Jack Nicholson character).

And yet, "Easy Rider" suggests, it's not as simple as that. We almost
forget that the Fonda and Hopper characters have also sold out. Victims
can sell out just as well as their persecutors. They sold out because
what they were trying to be was the mirror image of the rednecks in the
truck, and neither life-style is healthy. And so there they were, their
gas tanks stuffed full of bribes from the establishment, and you
remember hearing somewhere that, in the South, "easy rider" is slang for
a prostitute's lover.

I suspect there are hundreds of classic and near-classic films you don't
get, and that would include most of the "foreign films" of the 50's and
60's. You seem to suffer from ennui about many things ethereal and
artistic. Opera, after all, is nothing more than silly plots and
costumes with singing, right?

I understand the movie but to say the bikes were just props and the
narrative was not driven by the soundtrack is naive.

You are being as silly as saying the songs do not tell the story in
the opera

On 8/21/16 2:26 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 12:46:00 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You just don't understand the movie.

Roger Ebert said this about it, among other things:

Its strong point is the role of the self-proclaimed rebel in a
conformist society. It's not just bike freaks who get in trouble when
they challenge the establishment -- it's everybody, even Old George
(Jack Nicholson character).

And yet, "Easy Rider" suggests, it's not as simple as that. We almost
forget that the Fonda and Hopper characters have also sold out. Victims
can sell out just as well as their persecutors. They sold out because
what they were trying to be was the mirror image of the rednecks in the
truck, and neither life-style is healthy. And so there they were, their
gas tanks stuffed full of bribes from the establishment, and you
remember hearing somewhere that, in the South, "easy rider" is slang for
a prostitute's lover.

I suspect there are hundreds of classic and near-classic films you don't
get, and that would include most of the "foreign films" of the 50's and
60's. You seem to suffer from ennui about many things ethereal and
artistic. Opera, after all, is nothing more than silly plots and
costumes with singing, right?

I understand the movie but to say the bikes were just props and the
narrative was not driven by the soundtrack is naive.

You are being as silly as saying the songs do not tell the story in
the opera


The songs are the story in opera.

On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 14:47:12 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/21/16 2:26 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 12:46:00 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You just don't understand the movie.

Roger Ebert said this about it, among other things:

Its strong point is the role of the self-proclaimed rebel in a
conformist society. It's not just bike freaks who get in trouble when
they challenge the establishment -- it's everybody, even Old George
(Jack Nicholson character).

And yet, "Easy Rider" suggests, it's not as simple as that. We almost
forget that the Fonda and Hopper characters have also sold out. Victims
can sell out just as well as their persecutors. They sold out because
what they were trying to be was the mirror image of the rednecks in the
truck, and neither life-style is healthy. And so there they were, their
gas tanks stuffed full of bribes from the establishment, and you
remember hearing somewhere that, in the South, "easy rider" is slang for
a prostitute's lover.

I suspect there are hundreds of classic and near-classic films you don't
get, and that would include most of the "foreign films" of the 50's and
60's. You seem to suffer from ennui about many things ethereal and
artistic. Opera, after all, is nothing more than silly plots and
costumes with singing, right?

I understand the movie but to say the bikes were just props and the
narrative was not driven by the soundtrack is naive.

You are being as silly as saying the songs do not tell the story in
the opera


The songs are the story in opera.

So we will just call Easy Rider a motorcycle opera and get on with our
lives.

On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 00:30:11 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 14:47:12 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/21/16 2:26 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 12:46:00 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You just don't understand the movie.

Roger Ebert said this about it, among other things:

Its strong point is the role of the self-proclaimed rebel in a
conformist society. It's not just bike freaks who get in trouble when
they challenge the establishment -- it's everybody, even Old George
(Jack Nicholson character).

And yet, "Easy Rider" suggests, it's not as simple as that. We almost
forget that the Fonda and Hopper characters have also sold out. Victims
can sell out just as well as their persecutors. They sold out because
what they were trying to be was the mirror image of the rednecks in the
truck, and neither life-style is healthy. And so there they were, their
gas tanks stuffed full of bribes from the establishment, and you
remember hearing somewhere that, in the South, "easy rider" is slang for
a prostitute's lover.

I suspect there are hundreds of classic and near-classic films you don't
get, and that would include most of the "foreign films" of the 50's and
60's. You seem to suffer from ennui about many things ethereal and
artistic. Opera, after all, is nothing more than silly plots and
costumes with singing, right?

I understand the movie but to say the bikes were just props and the
narrative was not driven by the soundtrack is naive.

You are being as silly as saying the songs do not tell the story in
the opera


The songs are the story in opera.

So we will just call Easy Rider a motorcycle opera and get on with our
lives.

===

It's a good thing that Harry could rely on Roger Ebert to explain the
movie to him. :-)

On 8/22/16 12:30 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 14:47:12 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/21/16 2:26 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 12:46:00 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You just don't understand the movie.

Roger Ebert said this about it, among other things:

Its strong point is the role of the self-proclaimed rebel in a
conformist society. It's not just bike freaks who get in trouble when
they challenge the establishment -- it's everybody, even Old George
(Jack Nicholson character).

And yet, "Easy Rider" suggests, it's not as simple as that. We almost
forget that the Fonda and Hopper characters have also sold out. Victims
can sell out just as well as their persecutors. They sold out because
what they were trying to be was the mirror image of the rednecks in the
truck, and neither life-style is healthy. And so there they were, their
gas tanks stuffed full of bribes from the establishment, and you
remember hearing somewhere that, in the South, "easy rider" is slang for
a prostitute's lover.

I suspect there are hundreds of classic and near-classic films you don't
get, and that would include most of the "foreign films" of the 50's and
60's. You seem to suffer from ennui about many things ethereal and
artistic. Opera, after all, is nothing more than silly plots and
costumes with singing, right?

I understand the movie but to say the bikes were just props and the
narrative was not driven by the soundtrack is naive.

You are being as silly as saying the songs do not tell the story in
the opera


The songs are the story in opera.

So we will just call Easy Rider a motorcycle opera and get on with our
lives.



Whatever works for you, even if it is wrong.