On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 06:15:21 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

I keep my firearms stored in a closet with trigger locks in place

I never quite understood what a trigger lock was for unless you were
just trying to keep a toddler from using the gun. It would only slow
down a teenager for a few minutes and a thief can still steal the gun.
I was able to get the trigger lock off of a pistol I bought with a
paper clip, in about 30 seconds without any damage to the pistol or
the lock. If I did not care about the lock, it would have been more
like 5 seconds. using one of any number of common tools.
I really prefer locking up the whole gun, preferably in a safe that is
hard to find. Again, I think a big safe sitting in plain view is just
a target. These days, safe cracking tools are at the Home Depot. A
metal blade in a cutoff saw or even a grinder will make short work of
most safes (typically 16ga steel). If it is a "better" safe, go with a
diamond blade.

wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 06:15:21 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

I keep my firearms stored in a closet with trigger locks in place
I never quite understood what a trigger lock was for unless you were
just trying to keep a toddler from using the gun. It would only slow
down a teenager for a few minutes and a thief can still steal the gun.
I was able to get the trigger lock off of a pistol I bought with a
paper clip, in about 30 seconds without any damage to the pistol or
the lock. If I did not care about the lock, it would have been more
like 5 seconds. using one of any number of common tools.
I really prefer locking up the whole gun, preferably in a safe that is
hard to find. Again, I think a big safe sitting in plain view is just
a target. These days, safe cracking tools are at the Home Depot. A
metal blade in a cutoff saw or even a grinder will make short work of
most safes (typically 16ga steel). If it is a "better" safe, go with a
diamond blade.

One of my safes is in plain view but bolted to the floor. It's also not
a Bass Pro special. It's very well made and would take a long time to
breach.

On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 22:33:28 -0400, Alex wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 06:15:21 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

I keep my firearms stored in a closet with trigger locks in place
I never quite understood what a trigger lock was for unless you were
just trying to keep a toddler from using the gun. It would only slow
down a teenager for a few minutes and a thief can still steal the gun.
I was able to get the trigger lock off of a pistol I bought with a
paper clip, in about 30 seconds without any damage to the pistol or
the lock. If I did not care about the lock, it would have been more
like 5 seconds. using one of any number of common tools.
I really prefer locking up the whole gun, preferably in a safe that is
hard to find. Again, I think a big safe sitting in plain view is just
a target. These days, safe cracking tools are at the Home Depot. A
metal blade in a cutoff saw or even a grinder will make short work of
most safes (typically 16ga steel). If it is a "better" safe, go with a
diamond blade.

One of my safes is in plain view but bolted to the floor. It's also not
a Bass Pro special. It's very well made and would take a long time to
breach.

Have you ever seen what a diamond wheel on a 14" cutoff saw will do?
It may be a little noisy and pretty messy but it is not slow.
Usually a real thief will go after the sides or the back. They might
cut the top off.
They usually know where the weak spot is.

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On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 22:33:28 -0400, Alex wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 06:15:21 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

I keep my firearms stored in a closet with trigger locks in place
I never quite understood what a trigger lock was for unless you were
just trying to keep a toddler from using the gun. It would only slow
down a teenager for a few minutes and a thief can still steal the gun.
I was able to get the trigger lock off of a pistol I bought with a
paper clip, in about 30 seconds without any damage to the pistol or
the lock. If I did not care about the lock, it would have been more
like 5 seconds. using one of any number of common tools.
I really prefer locking up the whole gun, preferably in a safe that is
hard to find. Again, I think a big safe sitting in plain view is just
a target. These days, safe cracking tools are at the Home Depot. A
metal blade in a cutoff saw or even a grinder will make short work of
most safes (typically 16ga steel). If it is a "better" safe, go with a
diamond blade.
One of my safes is in plain view but bolted to the floor. It's also not
a Bass Pro special. It's very well made and would take a long time to
breach.
Have you ever seen what a diamond wheel on a 14" cutoff saw will do?
It may be a little noisy and pretty messy but it is not slow.
Usually a real thief will go after the sides or the back. They might
cut the top off.
They usually know where the weak spot is.

First they would have to try to defeat my security system. The phone
line is in plain view on the side of the house but I have cellular
backup. I also have WiFi cameras that don't rely on outside power on
both DSL and cable and video is stored in two places in my house as well
as in the cloud. The modems and WiFi routers are also on large battery
backups. The safes I have are not junk. A gas saw with a diamond blade
is great for cutting concrete but would have a hell of a time on these
safes with the stainless option:

http://www.ftknox.com/vaults/the-titan-vault/

I also live in a quiet neighborhood with good neighbors and nearly zero
crime. It would take some real pros a lot of time to break into the
safes and if they can pull that off, they can have it all.

If I was you Ditzy, I'd stop boasting about all my guns. The simple way might be where people would just take you or your wife hostage and force you to open the safe.

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 17:09:30 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

If I was you Ditzy, I'd stop boasting about all my guns. The simple way might be where people would just take you or your wife hostage and force you to open the safe.

Jeeez, you must really value guns up there, Donnie. Kidnapping for some guns? Holy smokes.

Poquito Loco wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 17:09:30 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

If I was you Ditzy, I'd stop boasting about all my guns. The simple way might be where people would just take you or your wife hostage and force you to open the safe.
Jeeez, you must really value guns up there, Donnie. Kidnapping for some guns? Holy smokes.

They aren't allowed to own them like we are.