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On Saturday, July 16, 2016 at 11:04:32 AM UTC-3, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 09:49:20 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote: Poquito Loco Wrote in message: On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:27:39 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 4:42:20 PM UTC-3, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/13/16 3:26 PM, True North wrote: On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 2:02:40 PM UTC-3, Tim wrote: Btw, that straight 6 Chevy is a work horse of an engine and its economical too. You'll be toooobing the grandkids all day on a half tank of gas... Is The John a boater again? Just in time...we were drafting legislation to ban disruptive non boaters from the group. ;-) Had a great time yesterday . Put 3.25 hrs on my break-in schedule touring the North West Arm, harbour, Eastern Passage area and the Bedford Basin. Only 8.75 hrs to go and I'll have my full 20 in. A boat with a straight Chevy 6? Really? How interesting. The odd thing is...in the spring when I announced my new boat The John and his Drama Queen, Justine, ridiculed me for being dumb enough to buy a boat with a Mercruiser engine over an outboard equipped boat. There were dire tales of manifolds and elbows rotting away as soon as it touched salt water and the high cost of replacement. Now The John buys an older I/O powered boat. What's up with that? I'm a good maintainer. Besides, I got a great deal on this boat. Now, quit your name-calling and join a discussion. What kind of responce should he expect when he announces "I bought a Bay Liner"? I'm still wondering if it's got a carburetor like his salesman said. D'uh, Johnnymop. Y'all were the one who posted the Mercury link that confirmed the 2v carb on the Mercruiser with TKS. |
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On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 10:04:33 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote: I'm still wondering if it's got a carburetor like his salesman said. I suppose you could look. If it has a float bowl, it is a carburetor ;-) |
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Nice boat, John!
On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 15:07:41 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 11:55:17 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 10:04:33 -0400, Poquito Loco wrote: I'm still wondering if it's got a carburetor like his salesman said. I suppose you could look. If it has a float bowl, it is a carburetor ;-) === Or a toilet. :-) Same principle anyway. |
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Btw John. I'm sure you won't have any problems, but I have a complete engine and lower 165 drive from a salvage part-out boat.
If you need anything that I can supply you with, it's yours for the asking ( and shipping, lol!) |
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On 7/18/16 12:25 PM, Tim wrote:
Btw John. I'm sure you won't have any problems, but I have a complete engine and lower 165 drive from a salvage part-out boat. If you need anything that I can supply you with, it's yours for the asking ( and shipping, lol!) Don't forget the WD-40 for winterizing! |
Nice boat, John!
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 09:25:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
Btw John. I'm sure you won't have any problems, but I have a complete engine and lower 165 drive from a salvage part-out boat. If you need anything that I can supply you with, it's yours for the asking ( and shipping, lol!) No shipping. I'd just ride the Guzzi out there, let you buy me lunch, and strap it to the back! |
Nice boat, John!
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 13:05:19 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/18/16 12:25 PM, Tim wrote: Btw John. I'm sure you won't have any problems, but I have a complete engine and lower 165 drive from a salvage part-out boat. If you need anything that I can supply you with, it's yours for the asking ( and shipping, lol!) Don't forget the WD-40 for winterizing! My Dutch friend still wonders why that wouldn't work! |
Nice boat, John!
Keyser Söze
On 7/18/16 12:25 PM, Tim wrote: Btw John. I'm sure you won't have any problems, but I have a complete engine and lower 165 drive from a salvage part-out boat. If you need anything that I can supply you with, it's yours for the asking ( and shipping, lol!) "Don't forget the WD-40 for winterizing!" The John is probably scouring the Internet for a deal on cheap 2 cycle oil for that 4 stroke engine. What a putz! |
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On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 10:36:08 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:
Keyser Söze On 7/18/16 12:25 PM, Tim wrote: Btw John. I'm sure you won't have any problems, but I have a complete engine and lower 165 drive from a salvage part-out boat. If you need anything that I can supply you with, it's yours for the asking ( and shipping, lol!) "Don't forget the WD-40 for winterizing!" The John is probably scouring the Internet for a deal on cheap 2 cycle oil for that 4 stroke engine. What a putz! Another demonstration of your reading comprehension skills! |
Nice boat, John!
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 13:24:37 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote: On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 13:05:19 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/18/16 12:25 PM, Tim wrote: Btw John. I'm sure you won't have any problems, but I have a complete engine and lower 165 drive from a salvage part-out boat. If you need anything that I can supply you with, it's yours for the asking ( and shipping, lol!) Don't forget the WD-40 for winterizing! My Dutch friend still wonders why that wouldn't work! It is not a bad thing for recovering submerged engines (BTDT) but I doubt it has the lubricating power to actually winterize. It might handle the corrosion protection part but that spring start up might be tough on the rings and bearings. You would still need to shoot some 50:1 in there with the lanyard out before you tried to fire it. It is better to just use fogging oil although the E-tec just does it with a rich gas/oil mix. |
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Nice boat, John!
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 15:39:29 -0400, Poquito Loco - show quoted text - "I never got in that 2 stroke, 4 stroke "oil" thing. I just watched. For the purposes of "winterizing" that is really more of a 2 stroke thing since a 4 stroke has a sealed crank case. I have still heard of shooting in fogging oil but I am not sure why. If you do anything, you pull the plugs and squirt some oil in each cylinder, spin it over a few times, reinstall the plugs and expect a smoky start. More important is to drain the gas from the VST or carb bowls. E-tec sells an auto winterizing feature that basically shuts down the ignition, while it maxes out the oil injector and you get a dose of very rich fuel while it is cranking down. (Basically like fogging until it stalls) That still does not address the fuel gelling in the system." My last two motors (both new) want you to add stabilizer to your gas and then to run this gas through your motor. This is in addition to replacing the engine oil, lower end oil and fuel and oil filters. In addition, some greasing etc. I have the dealership do my winterizing until the warranties have expired....just so they have no excuse to invalidate the warranty. |
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On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 16:25:35 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 15:39:29 -0400, Poquito Loco wrote: On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:22:46 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 13:24:37 -0400, Poquito Loco wrote: On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 13:05:19 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/18/16 12:25 PM, Tim wrote: Btw John. I'm sure you won't have any problems, but I have a complete engine and lower 165 drive from a salvage part-out boat. If you need anything that I can supply you with, it's yours for the asking ( and shipping, lol!) Don't forget the WD-40 for winterizing! My Dutch friend still wonders why that wouldn't work! It is not a bad thing for recovering submerged engines (BTDT) but I doubt it has the lubricating power to actually winterize. It might handle the corrosion protection part but that spring start up might be tough on the rings and bearings. You would still need to shoot some 50:1 in there with the lanyard out before you tried to fire it. It is better to just use fogging oil although the E-tec just does it with a rich gas/oil mix. Are you talking two- or four-stroke? Remember, the last time we discussed oil you thought I had a two-stroke. I never got in that 2 stroke, 4 stroke "oil" thing. I just watched. For the purposes of "winterizing" that is really more of a 2 stroke thing since a 4 stroke has a sealed crank case. I have still heard of shooting in fogging oil but I am not sure why. If you do anything, you pull the plugs and squirt some oil in each cylinder, spin it over a few times, reinstall the plugs and expect a smoky start. More important is to drain the gas from the VST or carb bowls. E-tec sells an auto winterizing feature that basically shuts down the ignition, while it maxes out the oil injector and you get a dose of very rich fuel while it is cranking down. (Basically like fogging until it stalls) That still does not address the fuel gelling in the system. It was your comment to be sure and use 2 stroke oil that got Donnie started on the whole thing. At the time you thought my Yamaha was a 2 stroke. |
Nice boat, John!
On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 12:05:21 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/18/16 12:25 PM, Tim wrote: Btw John. I'm sure you won't have any problems, but I have a complete engine and lower 165 drive from a salvage part-out boat. If you need anything that I can supply you with, it's yours for the asking ( and shipping, lol!) Don't forget the WD-40 for winterizing! Why not. it works. It is a lubricant. I know several people in my area who have used it for years on two and 4 stroke engines with no problems. I myself have never fogged an engine, only used fuel stabilizer. My small boat with the 3.o sat for almost 2 years. I filled it with premium gasoline, put a battery in it, it cranked over a bit. and fired. Engine never stuck. Honestly, I never have understood the idea of 'fogging' for an engine in short term (less than 1 year) storage anyhow. |
Nice boat, John!
On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 12:23:51 PM UTC-5, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 09:25:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Btw John. I'm sure you won't have any problems, but I have a complete engine and lower 165 drive from a salvage part-out boat. If you need anything that I can supply you with, it's yours for the asking ( and shipping, lol!) No shipping. I'd just ride the Guzzi out there, let you buy me lunch, and strap it to the back! It's be worth the lunch just to see you strap a @50 CID Chevy 6 on your back. LOL |
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On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 5:40:52 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
It's be worth the lunch just to see you strap a 250 CID Chevy 6 on your back. LOL |
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The John flushes....
"It was your comment to be sure and use 2 stroke oil that got Donnie started on the whole thing. At the time you thought my Yamaha was a 2 stroke." Quit weaseling out and blaming it on Greg. As I remember it, you were asking advice on winterizing your Yamaha outboard. |
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On 7/18/16 7:18 PM, True North wrote:
The John flushes.... "It was your comment to be sure and use 2 stroke oil that got Donnie started on the whole thing. At the time you thought my Yamaha was a 2 stroke." Quit weaseling out and blaming it on Greg. As I remember it, you were asking advice on winterizing your Yamaha outboard. \ Johnny Racist likes to deflect.. |
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On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 16:18:51 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:
The John flushes.... "It was your comment to be sure and use 2 stroke oil that got Donnie started on the whole thing. At the time you thought my Yamaha was a 2 stroke." Quit weaseling out and blaming it on Greg. As I remember it, you were asking advice on winterizing your Yamaha outboard. That's 'cause your memory sucks! What would two or four stroke oil have to do with winterizing? The winterizing question, asked by my Dutch friend, was why WD-40 wouldn't work as an engine fogger. I expect it would do a fine job over a three or four month winter. |
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Poquito Loco
- show quoted text - "That's 'cause your memory sucks! What would two or four stroke oil have to do with winterizing? The winterizing question, asked by my Dutch friend, was why WD-40 wouldn't work as an engine fogger. I expect it would do a fine job over a three or four month winter." Say what! I can't believe y'all said that. Anyone with half a working brain knows that you change the 4 stroke engine oil when winterizing. Y'all better get Mercury's maintenance manual.....or better yet, find a competent person to handle your maintenance/winterizing. |
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On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 17:37:15 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:
Poquito Loco - show quoted text - "That's 'cause your memory sucks! What would two or four stroke oil have to do with winterizing? The winterizing question, asked by my Dutch friend, was why WD-40 wouldn't work as an engine fogger. I expect it would do a fine job over a three or four month winter." Say what! I can't believe y'all said that. Anyone with half a working brain knows that you change the 4 stroke engine oil when winterizing. Y'all better get Mercury's maintenance manual.....or better yet, find a competent person to handle your maintenance/winterizing. Why were you whining about your son drinking all your beer again? |
Nice boat, John!
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 15:39:20 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 12:05:21 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/18/16 12:25 PM, Tim wrote: Btw John. I'm sure you won't have any problems, but I have a complete engine and lower 165 drive from a salvage part-out boat. If you need anything that I can supply you with, it's yours for the asking ( and shipping, lol!) Don't forget the WD-40 for winterizing! Why not. it works. It is a lubricant. I know several people in my area who have used it for years on two and 4 stroke engines with no problems. There is not really much oil in WD40. It is mostly solvents I myself have never fogged an engine, only used fuel stabilizer. My small boat with the 3.o sat for almost 2 years. I filled it with premium gasoline, put a battery in it, it cranked over a bit. and fired. Engine never stuck. As I said, winterizing is mostly a 2 stroke thing beyond the fuel issues Honestly, I never have understood the idea of 'fogging' for an engine in short term (less than 1 year) storage anyhow. You do it to 2 strokes to give it the initial lubrication until the system pumps enough fuel oil mix to oil everything up. It is about the same theory as spinning up the oil pump with a drill on a newly built engine before you crank it. |
Nice boat, John!
True North wrote:
Poquito Loco - show quoted text - "That's 'cause your memory sucks! What would two or four stroke oil have to do with winterizing? The winterizing question, asked by my Dutch friend, was why WD-40 wouldn't work as an engine fogger. I expect it would do a fine job over a three or four month winter." Say what! I can't believe y'all said that. Anyone with half a working brain knows that you change the 4 stroke engine oil when winterizing. Y'all better get Mercury's maintenance manual.....or better yet, find a competent person to handle your maintenance/winterizing. Maybe depends on how much you ran the motor. I have a V8 and change the oil yearly. Sometimes in the fall and sometimes in the spring. But we rarely have deep freeze winter. |
Nice boat, John!
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:59:18 -0500, Califbill wrote:
True North wrote: Poquito Loco - show quoted text - "That's 'cause your memory sucks! What would two or four stroke oil have to do with winterizing? The winterizing question, asked by my Dutch friend, was why WD-40 wouldn't work as an engine fogger. I expect it would do a fine job over a three or four month winter." Say what! I can't believe y'all said that. Anyone with half a working brain knows that you change the 4 stroke engine oil when winterizing. Y'all better get Mercury's maintenance manual.....or better yet, find a competent person to handle your maintenance/winterizing. Maybe depends on how much you ran the motor. I have a V8 and change the oil yearly. Sometimes in the fall and sometimes in the spring. But we rarely have deep freeze winter. I was putting only about ten-twelve hours a year on that boat. That's why I got rid of it. Too damn costly, especially depreciation, insurance, and storage. |
Nice boat, John!
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 17:37:15 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote: I can't believe y'all said that. Anyone with half a working brain knows that you change the 4 stroke engine oil when winterizing. Y'all better get Mercury's maintenance manual.....or better yet, find a competent person to handle your maintenance/winterizing. There are actually 2 schools of thought on that. One says store it with the oil that was in it and change it in the spring. The other says store it with new oil but you have the problem that the winter moisture is now in your new oil. I suppose a belt and suspenders guy would change it twice. Fortunately "winterizing" here means my wife puts a jacket on the boat. I am still in my shorts and T shirt. I end up changing my oil 3 times a year anyway just for hours. |
Nice boat, John!
wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 17:37:15 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: I can't believe y'all said that. Anyone with half a working brain knows that you change the 4 stroke engine oil when winterizing. Y'all better get Mercury's maintenance manual.....or better yet, find a competent person to handle your maintenance/winterizing. There are actually 2 schools of thought on that. One says store it with the oil that was in it and change it in the spring. The other says store it with new oil but you have the problem that the winter moisture is now in your new oil. I suppose a belt and suspenders guy would change it twice. Fortunately "winterizing" here means my wife puts a jacket on the boat. I am still in my shorts and T shirt. I end up changing my oil 3 times a year anyway just for hours. I also run my boat in the winter. Colder than yours, but still with a coat is fine. |
Nice boat, John!
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 21:16:31 -0500, Califbill
wrote: wrote: On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 17:37:15 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: I can't believe y'all said that. Anyone with half a working brain knows that you change the 4 stroke engine oil when winterizing. Y'all better get Mercury's maintenance manual.....or better yet, find a competent person to handle your maintenance/winterizing. There are actually 2 schools of thought on that. One says store it with the oil that was in it and change it in the spring. The other says store it with new oil but you have the problem that the winter moisture is now in your new oil. I suppose a belt and suspenders guy would change it twice. Fortunately "winterizing" here means my wife puts a jacket on the boat. I am still in my shorts and T shirt. I end up changing my oil 3 times a year anyway just for hours. I also run my boat in the winter. Colder than yours, but still with a coat is fine. If it isn't over 75, my wife won't go. That is not very often here in the afternoon, even in the winter. |
Nice boat, John!
On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 7:42:53 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 15:39:20 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 12:05:21 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote: On 7/18/16 12:25 PM, Tim wrote: Btw John. I'm sure you won't have any problems, but I have a complete engine and lower 165 drive from a salvage part-out boat. If you need anything that I can supply you with, it's yours for the asking ( and shipping, lol!) Don't forget the WD-40 for winterizing! Why not. it works. It is a lubricant. I know several people in my area who have used it for years on two and 4 stroke engines with no problems. There is not really much oil in WD40. It is mostly solvents I myself have never fogged an engine, only used fuel stabilizer. My small boat with the 3.o sat for almost 2 years. I filled it with premium gasoline, put a battery in it, it cranked over a bit. and fired. Engine never stuck. As I said, winterizing is mostly a 2 stroke thing beyond the fuel issues Honestly, I never have understood the idea of 'fogging' for an engine in short term (less than 1 year) storage anyhow. You do it to 2 strokes to give it the initial lubrication until the system pumps enough fuel oil mix to oil everything up. It is about the same theory as spinning up the oil pump with a drill on a newly built engine before you crank it. I know the oil content in wd40 is really thin, but there is a silicone property to it, which is to prevent rust and cling to metal like...cylinder walls. Concerning starting a 2 stroke after a long winters nap. We would initially shoot regular pre-mix fuel directly into the carbs, after they were primed.. For good, bad, or ugly, it worked. |
Nice boat, John!
wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 21:16:31 -0500, Califbill wrote: wrote: On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 17:37:15 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: I can't believe y'all said that. Anyone with half a working brain knows that you change the 4 stroke engine oil when winterizing. Y'all better get Mercury's maintenance manual.....or better yet, find a competent person to handle your maintenance/winterizing. There are actually 2 schools of thought on that. One says store it with the oil that was in it and change it in the spring. The other says store it with new oil but you have the problem that the winter moisture is now in your new oil. I suppose a belt and suspenders guy would change it twice. Fortunately "winterizing" here means my wife puts a jacket on the boat. I am still in my shorts and T shirt. I end up changing my oil 3 times a year anyway just for hours. I also run my boat in the winter. Colder than yours, but still with a coat is fine. If it isn't over 75, my wife won't go. That is not very often here in the afternoon, even in the winter. We get our rains in the winter, and the freshwater flows in to the bay stir up the sturgeon, which make for some fun catch and release. Limit is 2 a year. 3' to 5'. So we have the top up and with a heater, will fish in high 30's weather. And raining at times. |
Nice boat, John!
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/18/16 7:18 PM, True North wrote: The John flushes.... "It was your comment to be sure and use 2 stroke oil that got Donnie started on the whole thing. At the time you thought my Yamaha was a 2 stroke." Quit weaseling out and blaming it on Greg. As I remember it, you were asking advice on winterizing your Yamaha outboard. \ Johnny Racist likes to deflect.. ....says the King of deflection. |
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