On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:34:51 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/11/16 2:21 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:27:14 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

...for whom the bell tolls:


According to new polling by right-wing political consultant Frank Luntz,
Americans 18 to 26 are extremely liberal

Of course they are. They have never really paid any bills and they
believe they are entitled to everything for free. Most of those kids
are still living with their parents.
http://tinyurl.com/zr8zmpd

Once they figure out that $18 trillion debt will land on them, they
might become a little more fiscally responsible.

The only difference between these kids and the flower children of the
60s is that these kids have not rejected their parent's money and
lifestyle.


Heheheh. Hey, here's a libertarian idea for you: let's just get rid of
government and set everyone out on their own for everything.

News flash, It is THEIR money the government is spending now.
The question the left keeps kicking down the road is when we go after
them to get it.
We can't keep spending 125% of revenue. (the projection this year from
the White House)
Debt to GDP is 104% The last time we had that was in WWII.
The only reason we got out of that debt was because the US was
redesigned for total production and we blew up everyone else's ability
to produce much of anything (with the exception of the Soviets). The
world needed everything, we arranged a boycott of the Soviets and had
the ability to fill their needs. A decade later was the last time the
US actually balanced it's books.
Perhaps that does not trouble you because you think it is fine to just
print the money we need.

On 7/11/16 3:37 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:34:51 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/11/16 2:21 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:27:14 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

...for whom the bell tolls:


According to new polling by right-wing political consultant Frank Luntz,
Americans 18 to 26 are extremely liberal

Of course they are. They have never really paid any bills and they
believe they are entitled to everything for free. Most of those kids
are still living with their parents.
http://tinyurl.com/zr8zmpd

Once they figure out that $18 trillion debt will land on them, they
might become a little more fiscally responsible.

The only difference between these kids and the flower children of the
60s is that these kids have not rejected their parent's money and
lifestyle.


Heheheh. Hey, here's a libertarian idea for you: let's just get rid of
government and set everyone out on their own for everything.

News flash, It is THEIR money the government is spending now.
The question the left keeps kicking down the road is when we go after
them to get it.
We can't keep spending 125% of revenue. (the projection this year from
the White House)
Debt to GDP is 104% The last time we had that was in WWII.
The only reason we got out of that debt was because the US was
redesigned for total production and we blew up everyone else's ability
to produce much of anything (with the exception of the Soviets). The
world needed everything, we arranged a boycott of the Soviets and had
the ability to fill their needs. A decade later was the last time the
US actually balanced it's books.
Perhaps that does not trouble you because you think it is fine to just
print the money we need.


As I have stated here a number of times, we need to restructure our
society and make sure the poor and middle class have a good chance at
decent jobs and single payer health care coverage, we need to raise
taxes on the wealthy, we need to end any economic advantage and tax
breaks to corporations that export jobs, and we need to start
drastically cut military spending. Your plan, tossing tens of millions
of Americans to the curb, isn't going to hack it.

On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:34:51 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/11/16 3:37 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:34:51 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/11/16 2:21 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:27:14 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

...for whom the bell tolls:


According to new polling by right-wing political consultant Frank Luntz,
Americans 18 to 26 are extremely liberal

Of course they are. They have never really paid any bills and they
believe they are entitled to everything for free. Most of those kids
are still living with their parents.
http://tinyurl.com/zr8zmpd

Once they figure out that $18 trillion debt will land on them, they
might become a little more fiscally responsible.

The only difference between these kids and the flower children of the
60s is that these kids have not rejected their parent's money and
lifestyle.


Heheheh. Hey, here's a libertarian idea for you: let's just get rid of
government and set everyone out on their own for everything.

News flash, It is THEIR money the government is spending now.
The question the left keeps kicking down the road is when we go after
them to get it.
We can't keep spending 125% of revenue. (the projection this year from
the White House)
Debt to GDP is 104% The last time we had that was in WWII.
The only reason we got out of that debt was because the US was
redesigned for total production and we blew up everyone else's ability
to produce much of anything (with the exception of the Soviets). The
world needed everything, we arranged a boycott of the Soviets and had
the ability to fill their needs. A decade later was the last time the
US actually balanced it's books.
Perhaps that does not trouble you because you think it is fine to just
print the money we need.


As I have stated here a number of times, we need to restructure our
society and make sure the poor and middle class have a good chance at
decent jobs and single payer health care coverage, we need to raise
taxes on the wealthy, we need to end any economic advantage and tax
breaks to corporations that export jobs, and we need to start
drastically cut military spending. Your plan, tossing tens of millions
of Americans to the curb, isn't going to hack it.

Yet you still want to vote for Hillary. Amazing.
She is a Wall Street lackey who never saw a war she didn't like.
I just remember, when the corporate safety net was yanked out from
under the middle class, the president was named Clinton.
When Walmart stopped being America's store and became the China outlet
mall, Hillary was on the board. When the trade agreements that
exported so many US jobs was signed, a guy named Clinton was the
president. When Wall Street and the banksters were allowed to rape the
country by repealing virtually all of the New Deal financial
regulation, a Clinton was the president.

Your democrat tunnel vision still keeps you from seeing any of this.
The average GOP voter has the same problem. That is why we have had
the same weasels running our government since 1989 and you still think
you had a choice when you voted. Didn't it bother you a little when
the same guys kept popping up "advising" succeeding administrations?

On 7/11/16 7:30 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:34:51 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/11/16 3:37 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:34:51 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/11/16 2:21 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:27:14 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

...for whom the bell tolls:


According to new polling by right-wing political consultant Frank Luntz,
Americans 18 to 26 are extremely liberal

Of course they are. They have never really paid any bills and they
believe they are entitled to everything for free. Most of those kids
are still living with their parents.
http://tinyurl.com/zr8zmpd

Once they figure out that $18 trillion debt will land on them, they
might become a little more fiscally responsible.

The only difference between these kids and the flower children of the
60s is that these kids have not rejected their parent's money and
lifestyle.


Heheheh. Hey, here's a libertarian idea for you: let's just get rid of
government and set everyone out on their own for everything.

News flash, It is THEIR money the government is spending now.
The question the left keeps kicking down the road is when we go after
them to get it.
We can't keep spending 125% of revenue. (the projection this year from
the White House)
Debt to GDP is 104% The last time we had that was in WWII.
The only reason we got out of that debt was because the US was
redesigned for total production and we blew up everyone else's ability
to produce much of anything (with the exception of the Soviets). The
world needed everything, we arranged a boycott of the Soviets and had
the ability to fill their needs. A decade later was the last time the
US actually balanced it's books.
Perhaps that does not trouble you because you think it is fine to just
print the money we need.


As I have stated here a number of times, we need to restructure our
society and make sure the poor and middle class have a good chance at
decent jobs and single payer health care coverage, we need to raise
taxes on the wealthy, we need to end any economic advantage and tax
breaks to corporations that export jobs, and we need to start
drastically cut military spending. Your plan, tossing tens of millions
of Americans to the curb, isn't going to hack it.

Yet you still want to vote for Hillary. Amazing.
She is a Wall Street lackey who never saw a war she didn't like.
I just remember, when the corporate safety net was yanked out from
under the middle class, the president was named Clinton.
When Walmart stopped being America's store and became the China outlet
mall, Hillary was on the board. When the trade agreements that
exported so many US jobs was signed, a guy named Clinton was the
president. When Wall Street and the banksters were allowed to rape the
country by repealing virtually all of the New Deal financial
regulation, a Clinton was the president.

Your democrat tunnel vision still keeps you from seeing any of this.
The average GOP voter has the same problem. That is why we have had
the same weasels running our government since 1989 and you still think
you had a choice when you voted. Didn't it bother you a little when
the same guys kept popping up "advising" succeeding administrations?



Republican Trump, Libertarian Johnson and Green Stein are not viable
alternatives to Democratic Clinton for the job of POTUS.

On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 19:54:59 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/11/16 7:30 PM, wrote:

Republican Trump, Libertarian Johnson and Green Stein are not viable
alternatives to Democratic Clinton for the job of POTUS.

I have said before, I am starting to believe Trump is working for
Hillary. It is the only way someone with her unfavorable could even be
considered as a contender. My wife says this slate of candidates is
making Romney look good.

Did you see the Washington Post/ABC poll? 55% of Americans think Comey
should have pursued charges from the DoJ.
I guess the best we can say is nothing will change when she is
elected. Congress will still be grid locked, the country will remain
divided, worse than it is now but there will be a whole lot more grist
for the impeachment mill.
I guess the country will have to hit rock bottom before we finally
decide the system is not working. I just hope the republic survives.

On 7/12/16 2:33 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 19:54:59 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/11/16 7:30 PM, wrote:

Republican Trump, Libertarian Johnson and Green Stein are not viable
alternatives to Democratic Clinton for the job of POTUS.

I have said before, I am starting to believe Trump is working for
Hillary. It is the only way someone with her unfavorable could even be
considered as a contender. My wife says this slate of candidates is
making Romney look good.

Did you see the Washington Post/ABC poll? 55% of Americans think Comey
should have pursued charges from the DoJ.
I guess the best we can say is nothing will change when she is
elected. Congress will still be grid locked, the country will remain
divided, worse than it is now but there will be a whole lot more grist
for the impeachment mill.
I guess the country will have to hit rock bottom before we finally
decide the system is not working. I just hope the republic survives.


Oh, there is little doubt the Repugnants in the House would try to
impeach Hillary on the flimsiest of excuses, whatever they are. And
they'll have the same impact they had on Bill, politically...she'll be
re-elected. And if the Dems retake control of the U.S. Senate?

I don't think Trump works for anyone but Trump. As bad as some might
think Hillary is, to use that as an excuse to vote for Trump is the very
definition of stupidity, since Trump is absolutely, completely
unsuitable and intellectually lazy and incompetent. If I were a
Repugnant and faced with a vote for Trump, I'd either not vote, vote for
Hillary, or write in a name.

Keyser Söze Wrote in message:
On 7/12/16 2:33 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 19:54:59 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/11/16 7:30 PM, wrote:

Republican Trump, Libertarian Johnson and Green Stein are not viable
alternatives to Democratic Clinton for the job of POTUS.

I have said before, I am starting to believe Trump is working for
Hillary. It is the only way someone with her unfavorable could even be
considered as a contender. My wife says this slate of candidates is
making Romney look good.

Did you see the Washington Post/ABC poll? 55% of Americans think Comey
should have pursued charges from the DoJ.
I guess the best we can say is nothing will change when she is
elected. Congress will still be grid locked, the country will remain
divided, worse than it is now but there will be a whole lot more grist
for the impeachment mill.
I guess the country will have to hit rock bottom before we finally
decide the system is not working. I just hope the republic survives.


Oh, there is little doubt the Repugnants in the House would try to
impeach Hillary on the flimsiest of excuses, whatever they are. And
they'll have the same impact they had on Bill, politically...she'll be
re-elected. And if the Dems retake control of the U.S. Senate?

I don't think Trump works for anyone but Trump. As bad as some might
think Hillary is, to use that as an excuse to vote for Trump is the very
definition of stupidity, since Trump is absolutely, completely
unsuitable and intellectually lazy and incompetent. If I were a
Repugnant and faced with a vote for Trump, I'd either not vote, vote for
Hillary, or write in a name.


What name will you write in? Hillary seems to be falling out of
favor with you and I can say that
I dont blame you a bit.
--
x

On 7/11/2016 7:30 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:34:51 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/11/16 3:37 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:34:51 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/11/16 2:21 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:27:14 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

...for whom the bell tolls:


According to new polling by right-wing political consultant Frank Luntz,
Americans 18 to 26 are extremely liberal

Of course they are. They have never really paid any bills and they
believe they are entitled to everything for free. Most of those kids
are still living with their parents.
http://tinyurl.com/zr8zmpd

Once they figure out that $18 trillion debt will land on them, they
might become a little more fiscally responsible.

The only difference between these kids and the flower children of the
60s is that these kids have not rejected their parent's money and
lifestyle.


Heheheh. Hey, here's a libertarian idea for you: let's just get rid of
government and set everyone out on their own for everything.

News flash, It is THEIR money the government is spending now.
The question the left keeps kicking down the road is when we go after
them to get it.
We can't keep spending 125% of revenue. (the projection this year from
the White House)
Debt to GDP is 104% The last time we had that was in WWII.
The only reason we got out of that debt was because the US was
redesigned for total production and we blew up everyone else's ability
to produce much of anything (with the exception of the Soviets). The
world needed everything, we arranged a boycott of the Soviets and had
the ability to fill their needs. A decade later was the last time the
US actually balanced it's books.
Perhaps that does not trouble you because you think it is fine to just
print the money we need.


As I have stated here a number of times, we need to restructure our
society and make sure the poor and middle class have a good chance at
decent jobs and single payer health care coverage, we need to raise
taxes on the wealthy, we need to end any economic advantage and tax
breaks to corporations that export jobs, and we need to start
drastically cut military spending. Your plan, tossing tens of millions
of Americans to the curb, isn't going to hack it.

Yet you still want to vote for Hillary. Amazing.
She is a Wall Street lackey who never saw a war she didn't like.
I just remember, when the corporate safety net was yanked out from
under the middle class, the president was named Clinton.
When Walmart stopped being America's store and became the China outlet
mall, Hillary was on the board. When the trade agreements that
exported so many US jobs was signed, a guy named Clinton was the
president. When Wall Street and the banksters were allowed to rape the
country by repealing virtually all of the New Deal financial
regulation, a Clinton was the president.

Your democrat tunnel vision still keeps you from seeing any of this.
The average GOP voter has the same problem. That is why we have had
the same weasels running our government since 1989 and you still think
you had a choice when you voted. Didn't it bother you a little when
the same guys kept popping up "advising" succeeding administrations?



Saw a guy in Ohio being interviewed yesterday. He works at a small,
struggling company that refurbishes and rebuilds commercial machinery.

He said that he has been a life-long Democrat but this time around he
and most of his fellow workers are going to vote for Trump. He said
that despite all the promises and rhetoric, the "Democrats have done
absolutely nothing about bringing back good jobs and improving
opportunities for the middle class."

I think this is the heart of the Trump appeal to many blue collar
workers. Today's Democrats talk a lot and make grandiose promises that
win votes but do nothing to actually help the middle class. Hillary
regurgitates the same old, same old. What is needed is a serious, hard
core effort to bring manufacturing jobs back to the USA by making it
economically desirable to the companies that currently outsource them.

On 7/12/16 8:22 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/11/2016 7:30 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:34:51 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/11/16 3:37 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 14:34:51 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/11/16 2:21 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:27:14 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

...for whom the bell tolls:


According to new polling by right-wing political consultant Frank
Luntz,
Americans 18 to 26 are extremely liberal

Of course they are. They have never really paid any bills and they
believe they are entitled to everything for free. Most of those kids
are still living with their parents.
http://tinyurl.com/zr8zmpd

Once they figure out that $18 trillion debt will land on them, they
might become a little more fiscally responsible.

The only difference between these kids and the flower children of the
60s is that these kids have not rejected their parent's money and
lifestyle.


Heheheh. Hey, here's a libertarian idea for you: let's just get rid of
government and set everyone out on their own for everything.

News flash, It is THEIR money the government is spending now.
The question the left keeps kicking down the road is when we go after
them to get it.
We can't keep spending 125% of revenue. (the projection this year from
the White House)
Debt to GDP is 104% The last time we had that was in WWII.
The only reason we got out of that debt was because the US was
redesigned for total production and we blew up everyone else's ability
to produce much of anything (with the exception of the Soviets). The
world needed everything, we arranged a boycott of the Soviets and had
the ability to fill their needs. A decade later was the last time the
US actually balanced it's books.
Perhaps that does not trouble you because you think it is fine to just
print the money we need.


As I have stated here a number of times, we need to restructure our
society and make sure the poor and middle class have a good chance at
decent jobs and single payer health care coverage, we need to raise
taxes on the wealthy, we need to end any economic advantage and tax
breaks to corporations that export jobs, and we need to start
drastically cut military spending. Your plan, tossing tens of millions
of Americans to the curb, isn't going to hack it.

Yet you still want to vote for Hillary. Amazing.
She is a Wall Street lackey who never saw a war she didn't like.
I just remember, when the corporate safety net was yanked out from
under the middle class, the president was named Clinton.
When Walmart stopped being America's store and became the China outlet
mall, Hillary was on the board. When the trade agreements that
exported so many US jobs was signed, a guy named Clinton was the
president. When Wall Street and the banksters were allowed to rape the
country by repealing virtually all of the New Deal financial
regulation, a Clinton was the president.

Your democrat tunnel vision still keeps you from seeing any of this.
The average GOP voter has the same problem. That is why we have had
the same weasels running our government since 1989 and you still think
you had a choice when you voted. Didn't it bother you a little when
the same guys kept popping up "advising" succeeding administrations?



Saw a guy in Ohio being interviewed yesterday. He works at a small,
struggling company that refurbishes and rebuilds commercial machinery.

He said that he has been a life-long Democrat but this time around he
and most of his fellow workers are going to vote for Trump. He said
that despite all the promises and rhetoric, the "Democrats have done
absolutely nothing about bringing back good jobs and improving
opportunities for the middle class."

I think this is the heart of the Trump appeal to many blue collar
workers. Today's Democrats talk a lot and make grandiose promises that
win votes but do nothing to actually help the middle class. Hillary
regurgitates the same old, same old. What is needed is a serious, hard
core effort to bring manufacturing jobs back to the USA by making it
economically desirable to the companies that currently outsource them.


As if Trump will be able to do anything about anything, aside from
creating more division.

On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:32:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/12/16 8:22 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Saw a guy in Ohio being interviewed yesterday. He works at a small,
struggling company that refurbishes and rebuilds commercial machinery.

He said that he has been a life-long Democrat but this time around he
and most of his fellow workers are going to vote for Trump. He said
that despite all the promises and rhetoric, the "Democrats have done
absolutely nothing about bringing back good jobs and improving
opportunities for the middle class."

I think this is the heart of the Trump appeal to many blue collar
workers. Today's Democrats talk a lot and make grandiose promises that
win votes but do nothing to actually help the middle class. Hillary
regurgitates the same old, same old. What is needed is a serious, hard
core effort to bring manufacturing jobs back to the USA by making it
economically desirable to the companies that currently outsource them.


As if Trump will be able to do anything about anything, aside from
creating more division.

Anyone who says they will bring back those old UAW jobs where people
will be making $70k for a "monkey see monkey do" job is lying. It may
happen but store brand bread will be $5-6 a loaf because the dollar
has fallen.