No tow job...
 

On 5/7/16 7:59 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 7 May 2016 18:57:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/7/2016 6:03 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/7/16 4:01 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 7 May 2016 13:05:39 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 5/7/16 9:08 AM, wrote:

There aren't any democrats here so it would not make much difference
what I say. The democrats don't even run a candidate for some offices
and it is decided in the primary.


Ahh, a right-wing ghetto. How nice.

You trimmed the part where I said it would be like a republican
running for mayor in DC. That didn't happen in 2014 at all.

I am also not sure how a town dominated by communities full of half
million to several million dollar houses is really a ghetto tho.



Ghetto has more than the meaning someone who has not studied the liberal
arts might give it. :)

As an example, one of the towns I lived in had a large section know as
"The Golden Ghetto," because it was where most of the area's doctors,
lawyers, factory owners, et cetera, lived.


Give it up Harry. You know as well as anyone what the common definition
of a "ghetto" is. You are just playing games.


He never passes up a chance to take a shot at my education, even if he
says something ignorant of actual facts to do it.


It isn't your education that amuses me, it is your disdain for "formal"
education.

No tow job...
 

On Sat, 7 May 2016 19:17:55 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 5/7/16 6:59 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/7/2016 6:09 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/7/16 4:56 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 7 May 2016 13:03:27 -0700 (PDT),
" wrote:

On Saturday, May 7, 2016 at 1:05:42 PM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/7/16 9:08 AM, wrote:

There aren't any democrats here so it would not make much difference
what I say. The democrats don't even run a candidate for some offices
and it is decided in the primary.


Ahh, a right-wing ghetto. How nice.

===

There are a lot of good citizens here who have served their country
in various ways, pay their taxes in full, and repay their loans. Do
you have a problem with that?

He prefers a place like DC with 51% of the babies born out of wedlock,
40% of the population is on welfare, 85% of the people in the child
welfare system have parents with substance abuse problems. It is also
a place where the murder rate is up 54% from last year.
Then he has the balls to say I live in a ghetto. I guess he never
heard of Estero. I suppose that is a good thing. We have too many
people coming down here now, telling us we need to do things like they
did up north.


As we both know, I don't live in DC, although there are some very nice
residential areas there. And didn't we once discuss how your country has
a higher crime rate than mine? You live in a ghetto area of white
Republicans, right, ghetto in this case meaning only a high
concentration of similar-minded people.

I've been to SW Florida, as I have mentioned before. I prefer the other
side of the lower part of the state, where it is less homogenized.


Miami is less "homogenized"?


Compared to the Wonder white bread area where Greg lives? You betcha.

You really have to make up your mind. Are we talking about Estero,
which is 95% white and a very low crime rate or Lee County that is far
more diverse than Calvert and has a slightly higher crime rate? (at
least when you looked)

No tow job...
 

On Sat, 7 May 2016 19:34:48 -0400, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 5/7/2016 7:17 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:

Miami is less "homogenized"?

xicans
Compared to the Wonder white bread area where Greg lives? You betcha.

There's plenty of blacks Islamics and Mexicans. What's missing Jewish?

We have a very good Jewish representation in Estero.

No tow job...
 

On 5/7/16 8:03 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 7 May 2016 19:17:25 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:


It would take no effort to produce cites for definitions of "ghetto"
that go beyond the "common" understanding of it here. But why bother?

Bother away, simply to try to redeem a little of your rapidly
disintegrating indications of your understanding of facts.




From the Guardian:

"Second, we crown estate residents have an egalitarian engagement with
our neighbours, as exemplified by Blair Peach, who was one of our
number. We chair the local Independent Custody Visitors schemes that
sustain police accountability. We run the London Fields rail users
committee that gets significant improvements in services. We confirm
mayor Jules Pipe's characterisation of the area as not one blighted by
an insulated and indifferent ghetto of the rich."

Many such cites:

Unity in Diversity: Proceedings of the Interdisciplinary Research ...
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0889200572
Nicolas A. Nyiri, ‎Rod Preece, ‎Interdisciplinary Research Seminar
(Wilfrid Laurier University) - 1977 - ‎Interdisciplinary approach in
education
.... Canadians cannot expect to live in a privileged wealthy ghetto in
the midst of such planetary dislocation? Is our educational system
adequte for the job that will ...

Have nice day...

No tow job...
 

On Sat, 7 May 2016 20:06:30 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:


As a liberal arts grad, I am aware of the vagaries of language, as is
the OED:

? ghetto, n.

(?g?t??)

Also 7 gheto.

[Of uncertain etym., perh. f. It. getto foundry, as the first ghetto
founded in Venice in 1516 was on the site of a foundry.]

1.1 The quarter in a city, chiefly in Italy, to which the Jews were
restricted.

1611 Coryat Crudities 230 The place where the whole fraternity of
the Iews dwelleth together, which is called the Ghetto. Ibid. 234
Walking in the Court of the Ghetto, I casually met with a Iewish Rabbin
that spake good Latin. 1756–7 tr. Keysler's Trav. (1760) II. 76 A
particular part of the city, noted for houses of ill-fame, was assigned
by Cosmo I. to the Jews, for their particular quarter, or ghetto.
1879 Farrar St. Paul I. 5 The crowded ghetto of a Pagan capital.
1887 Dowden Shelley II. vii. 277 An obscure quarter of Rome, hard by
the gate of the Ghetto.

2.2 transf. and fig. A quarter in a city, esp. a thickly populated slum
area, inhabited by a minority group or groups, usu. as a result of
economic or social pressures; an area, etc., occupied by an isolated
group; an isolated or segregated group, community, or area.

1892 I. Zangwill Children of Ghetto I. i. 2 The particular Ghetto
that is the dark background upon which our pictures will be cast is of
voluntary formation. 1897 Literature 27 Nov. 180/1 The
Farringdon-road collection of barrows has become the veriest Ghetto of
bookland. 1908 J. London Martin Eden (1910) xxxvi. 310 They
dismounted and plunged off to the right into the heart of the
working-class ghetto. 1909 Westm. Gaz. 20 Aug. 8/3 The people?have
grown superior to the banal excitement and cheap attractions of the
densely crowded areas. The day on which the tramways went over
Westminster Bridge recorded the unlocking of the London ghettos. 1937
Times 6 Oct. 13/7 Part of the benches [in the Warsaw Polytechnic] have
been marked for students belonging to a union almost exclusively
controlled by ‘Aryans’, and others for the Jewish students' union, while
a few seats for non-union students are left unmarked.? The establishment
of the ‘bench ghetto’ is an important precedent, unknown even in
Germany. 1957 Times Lit. Suppl. 29 Nov. 713/3 On records the Coloured
jazz musicians still played largely for their race; in life they played
for the immigrants into the Negro city ghettoes. 1961 L. Mumford City
in History xvi. 493 The suburb?was a segregated community?a sort of
green ghetto dedicated to the elite. 1961 Listener 7 Dec. 1000/3 [The
television programme] ‘Bookstand’, (November 30), capriciously shifted
to the Tuesday ghetto, had one memorable item. 1966 Ibid. 29 Sept.
454/1 The ghetto is one of two in which most of Chicago's Negroes, who
make up a quarter of the city's population, are forced to live. 1968
N.Y. Rev. Books 11 July 34/1 The ‘breakdown of the Catholic ghetto’ is a
good thing, but the breakdown of intellectual ghettos at M.I.T. and
Harvard might be, educationally, an even better thing.

3.3 attrib. and Comb.

1892 I. Zangwill Childr. Ghetto (1893) 2 The Ghetto?becomes only a
swarming-place for the poor and the ignorant.? Such people are their own
Ghetto gates. 1903 Daily Chron. 5 Aug. 5//2 What he calls the Ghetto
face and the Ghetto eye, observable enough in immigrants, cannot be
detected after a generation or two on American soil. 1908 J. London
Martin Eden (1910) xxxviii. 328 Tell them why you don't want Socialism.
Tell them what you think about them and their ghetto ethics. 1941
Koestler Scum of Earth 48 The country which was the first to introduce
yellow ghetto benches in its schools. 1949 ? Promise & Fulfilment ii.
iv. 251 The victory of the new type of Israelis grown on Palestine soil
over the obstinate fanaticism of ghetto-bred politicians. Ibid. iii.
i. 294 The same ghetto-heritage of suspicion. 1968 Guardian 24 Oct.
10/2 Those ancestors of today's ghetto-dwellers came to areas where,
unlike the South, there was no discrimination. 1969 Ibid. 17 Sept.
10/2 Catholics are not going to abandon the ghetto mentality which the
events of the past month have created unless Stormont shows some belated
signs of having the stomach for dealing with Protestant extremists.
1971 Radio Times 16 Sept. 37/5 Social workers are becoming
increasingly worried by the ‘ghetto mentality’ in the deprived areas of
our cities.

b.3.b Special Comb. ghetto blaster slang (orig. U.S.), a large portable
stereo radio (and cassette player), esp. one on which (Black) popular
music is played loudly.

[1982 N.Y. Times 30 May 46/3 He and his sextet, the Ghetto Blasters,
brought their mixture of harmonized Southern rock and rhythm-and-blues
to the Bottom Line.] 1983 Times 27 May 10/3 The growing high-street
popularity of Sony Walkmans and portable stereo cassette players
(‘*ghetto blasters’). 1983 Daily Mirror 4 June 13/1 A beat throbbing
from a ghetto-blaster—a giant, portable stereo system. 1983 Christian
Science Monitor 27 Sept. 21 Six feet tall, 16 years old, and carrying a
‘ghetto blaster’.


______________________________

Draft partial entry June 2006

? ghetto fabulous n. and adj. orig. U.S. (a) n. an ostentatious or
flamboyant lifestyle or manner of dress, associated with the hip-hop
subculture and characterized as a marker of status in economically
disadvantaged urban neighborhoods; (b) adj. of, relating to, or
exemplifying this style (variously viewed approvingly or disapprovingly).

1996 N.Y. Times 14 Jan. xiii. 4/2 Founded by Andre Harrell, it
merged the softer approach of rhythm and blues with the hard edge of
hip-hop to create what Mr. Harrell called ‘New Jack Swing’—or, as he
describes it, ‘high Style urban black life a.k.a. *ghetto fabulous’.
1996 Billboard (Nexis) 4 May Horace is the kind of guy who can wear
a mink coat and Versace shades. His style is ghetto fabulous?. He comes
from the 'hood, but he has class. 1998 Plain Dealer (Cleveland, Ohio)
(Nexis) 21 Apr. 5 b, Blige held the crowd in the palm of her hand
through every lazy step as she sauntered across the stage in ghetto
fabulous outfits. 2001 GTA Today 12 Jan. 10/4 Avoid red fox fur (not
hip), fluffy coats (too ghetto fabulous), and anything ankle length.
2003 Boys Toys Aug. 105/3 You should also try Vana Talinn, a
mega-strong, very sweet liqueur. It's usually served with coffee over
ice or if you're ghetto fabulous, with champagne. 2004 Vanity Fair
June 60/3 [His] style is a combination of pimp, ghetto-fabulous, and
make-believe dandy.


And also:

Golden Ghetto

As opposed to a traditional 'ghetto' community that is destroyed by
poverty, the golden ghetto's problems stem from excess


Pretty weak. Ghetto still means a place where Jews or poor people
live.
The fact that a few rappers embraced the term does not change the
meaning ... unless you think "nigga" is now OK since Larry Wilmore
called the president "my nigga".

No tow job...
 

On 5/7/16 8:23 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 7 May 2016 20:06:30 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:


As a liberal arts grad, I am aware of the vagaries of language, as is
the OED:

? ghetto, n.

(?g?t??)

Also 7 gheto.

[Of uncertain etym., perh. f. It. getto foundry, as the first ghetto
founded in Venice in 1516 was on the site of a foundry.]

1.1 The quarter in a city, chiefly in Italy, to which the Jews were
restricted.

1611 Coryat Crudities 230 The place where the whole fraternity of
the Iews dwelleth together, which is called the Ghetto. Ibid. 234
Walking in the Court of the Ghetto, I casually met with a Iewish Rabbin
that spake good Latin. 1756–7 tr. Keysler's Trav. (1760) II. 76 A
particular part of the city, noted for houses of ill-fame, was assigned
by Cosmo I. to the Jews, for their particular quarter, or ghetto.
1879 Farrar St. Paul I. 5 The crowded ghetto of a Pagan capital.
1887 Dowden Shelley II. vii. 277 An obscure quarter of Rome, hard by
the gate of the Ghetto.

2.2 transf. and fig. A quarter in a city, esp. a thickly populated slum
area, inhabited by a minority group or groups, usu. as a result of
economic or social pressures; an area, etc., occupied by an isolated
group; an isolated or segregated group, community, or area.

1892 I. Zangwill Children of Ghetto I. i. 2 The particular Ghetto
that is the dark background upon which our pictures will be cast is of
voluntary formation. 1897 Literature 27 Nov. 180/1 The
Farringdon-road collection of barrows has become the veriest Ghetto of
bookland. 1908 J. London Martin Eden (1910) xxxvi. 310 They
dismounted and plunged off to the right into the heart of the
working-class ghetto. 1909 Westm. Gaz. 20 Aug. 8/3 The people?have
grown superior to the banal excitement and cheap attractions of the
densely crowded areas. The day on which the tramways went over
Westminster Bridge recorded the unlocking of the London ghettos. 1937
Times 6 Oct. 13/7 Part of the benches [in the Warsaw Polytechnic] have
been marked for students belonging to a union almost exclusively
controlled by ‘Aryans’, and others for the Jewish students' union, while
a few seats for non-union students are left unmarked.? The establishment
of the ‘bench ghetto’ is an important precedent, unknown even in
Germany. 1957 Times Lit. Suppl. 29 Nov. 713/3 On records the Coloured
jazz musicians still played largely for their race; in life they played
for the immigrants into the Negro city ghettoes. 1961 L. Mumford City
in History xvi. 493 The suburb?was a segregated community?a sort of
green ghetto dedicated to the elite. 1961 Listener 7 Dec. 1000/3 [The
television programme] ‘Bookstand’, (November 30), capriciously shifted
to the Tuesday ghetto, had one memorable item. 1966 Ibid. 29 Sept.
454/1 The ghetto is one of two in which most of Chicago's Negroes, who
make up a quarter of the city's population, are forced to live. 1968
N.Y. Rev. Books 11 July 34/1 The ‘breakdown of the Catholic ghetto’ is a
good thing, but the breakdown of intellectual ghettos at M.I.T. and
Harvard might be, educationally, an even better thing.

3.3 attrib. and Comb.

1892 I. Zangwill Childr. Ghetto (1893) 2 The Ghetto?becomes only a
swarming-place for the poor and the ignorant.? Such people are their own
Ghetto gates. 1903 Daily Chron. 5 Aug. 5//2 What he calls the Ghetto
face and the Ghetto eye, observable enough in immigrants, cannot be
detected after a generation or two on American soil. 1908 J. London
Martin Eden (1910) xxxviii. 328 Tell them why you don't want Socialism.
Tell them what you think about them and their ghetto ethics. 1941
Koestler Scum of Earth 48 The country which was the first to introduce
yellow ghetto benches in its schools. 1949 ? Promise & Fulfilment ii.
iv. 251 The victory of the new type of Israelis grown on Palestine soil
over the obstinate fanaticism of ghetto-bred politicians. Ibid. iii.
i. 294 The same ghetto-heritage of suspicion. 1968 Guardian 24 Oct.
10/2 Those ancestors of today's ghetto-dwellers came to areas where,
unlike the South, there was no discrimination. 1969 Ibid. 17 Sept.
10/2 Catholics are not going to abandon the ghetto mentality which the
events of the past month have created unless Stormont shows some belated
signs of having the stomach for dealing with Protestant extremists.
1971 Radio Times 16 Sept. 37/5 Social workers are becoming
increasingly worried by the ‘ghetto mentality’ in the deprived areas of
our cities.

b.3.b Special Comb. ghetto blaster slang (orig. U.S.), a large portable
stereo radio (and cassette player), esp. one on which (Black) popular
music is played loudly.

[1982 N.Y. Times 30 May 46/3 He and his sextet, the Ghetto Blasters,
brought their mixture of harmonized Southern rock and rhythm-and-blues
to the Bottom Line.] 1983 Times 27 May 10/3 The growing high-street
popularity of Sony Walkmans and portable stereo cassette players
(‘*ghetto blasters’). 1983 Daily Mirror 4 June 13/1 A beat throbbing
from a ghetto-blaster—a giant, portable stereo system. 1983 Christian
Science Monitor 27 Sept. 21 Six feet tall, 16 years old, and carrying a
‘ghetto blaster’.


______________________________

Draft partial entry June 2006

? ghetto fabulous n. and adj. orig. U.S. (a) n. an ostentatious or
flamboyant lifestyle or manner of dress, associated with the hip-hop
subculture and characterized as a marker of status in economically
disadvantaged urban neighborhoods; (b) adj. of, relating to, or
exemplifying this style (variously viewed approvingly or disapprovingly).

1996 N.Y. Times 14 Jan. xiii. 4/2 Founded by Andre Harrell, it
merged the softer approach of rhythm and blues with the hard edge of
hip-hop to create what Mr. Harrell called ‘New Jack Swing’—or, as he
describes it, ‘high Style urban black life a.k.a. *ghetto fabulous’.
1996 Billboard (Nexis) 4 May Horace is the kind of guy who can wear
a mink coat and Versace shades. His style is ghetto fabulous?. He comes
from the 'hood, but he has class. 1998 Plain Dealer (Cleveland, Ohio)
(Nexis) 21 Apr. 5 b, Blige held the crowd in the palm of her hand
through every lazy step as she sauntered across the stage in ghetto
fabulous outfits. 2001 GTA Today 12 Jan. 10/4 Avoid red fox fur (not
hip), fluffy coats (too ghetto fabulous), and anything ankle length.
2003 Boys Toys Aug. 105/3 You should also try Vana Talinn, a
mega-strong, very sweet liqueur. It's usually served with coffee over
ice or if you're ghetto fabulous, with champagne. 2004 Vanity Fair
June 60/3 [His] style is a combination of pimp, ghetto-fabulous, and
make-believe dandy.


And also:

Golden Ghetto

As opposed to a traditional 'ghetto' community that is destroyed by
poverty, the golden ghetto's problems stem from excess


Pretty weak. Ghetto still means a place where Jews or poor people
live.
The fact that a few rappers embraced the term does not change the
meaning ... unless you think "nigga" is now OK since Larry Wilmore
called the president "my nigga".



There are plenty of references that expand the meaning of ghetto beyond
what you think it means.

No tow job...
 

On Sat, 7 May 2016 20:07:36 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:


He never passes up a chance to take a shot at my education, even if he
says something ignorant of actual facts to do it.


It isn't your education that amuses me, it is your disdain for "formal"
education.

It just ****es you off that I learned more than you did with nothing
but some curiosity and a library card. It was also not shaded by the
biases of people who went to school when they were 5 and never left.

No tow job...
 

On Sat, 7 May 2016 20:20:00 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 5/7/16 8:03 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 7 May 2016 19:17:25 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:


It would take no effort to produce cites for definitions of "ghetto"
that go beyond the "common" understanding of it here. But why bother?

Bother away, simply to try to redeem a little of your rapidly
disintegrating indications of your understanding of facts.




From the Guardian:

"Second, we crown estate residents have an egalitarian engagement with
our neighbours, as exemplified by Blair Peach, who was one of our
number. We chair the local Independent Custody Visitors schemes that
sustain police accountability. We run the London Fields rail users
committee that gets significant improvements in services. We confirm
mayor Jules Pipe's characterisation of the area as not one blighted by
an insulated and indifferent ghetto of the rich."

Many such cites:

Unity in Diversity: Proceedings of the Interdisciplinary Research ...
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0889200572
Nicolas A. Nyiri, ?Rod Preece, ?Interdisciplinary Research Seminar
(Wilfrid Laurier University) - 1977 - ?Interdisciplinary approach in
education
... Canadians cannot expect to live in a privileged wealthy ghetto in
the midst of such planetary dislocation? Is our educational system
adequte for the job that will ...

Have nice day...

Just because some reporter takes a little poetic license with a word
does not change the meaning.
You certainly want to fall back on the classical meaning when I call
Bernie a communist.

No tow job...
 

On Sat, 7 May 2016 20:31:27 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 5/7/16 8:23 PM, wrote:

There are plenty of references that expand the meaning of ghetto beyond
what you think it means.

You have only showed me a few people using it in some kind of ironic
context. I saw nothing changing the definition.

No tow job...
 

On Sat, 7 May 2016 20:31:27 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:


There are plenty of references that expand the meaning of ghetto beyond
what you think it means.

OTOH if you were just saying I live in a real nice place, thanks. I
think so too.