No tow job...
 

On Saturday, May 7, 2016 at 9:41:11 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 7 May 2016 21:14:07 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

Language is fluid.

With you facts are fluid too.

Harry is starting to remind me of the old Kevin.

No tow job...
 

On Friday, May 6, 2016 at 10:40:11 AM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
10:24 AMKeyser Söze
On 5/6/16 11:16 AM, Tim wrote:
https://quinersdiner.com/2016/04/18/...weet-exchange/


That's right, Timmy. That's one of the ways to fight discrimination.
Another way is in the courts.
....



Mike Moore is a hero for boycott?
Lol!

More like an extreme hypocrite...

What? A liberal AND a hypocrite? Wow! That took me completely by surprise! OK, maybe that was said with a touch of sarcasm.

But really, I'm sure North Carolina will do just fine without any of Michael Moore's propaganda films being shown in theaters there. He's nothing more than a has-been anyway. (Or is it a never-was?)

No tow job...
 

On Saturday, May 7, 2016 at 5:57:38 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/7/2016 6:03 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/7/16 4:01 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 7 May 2016 13:05:39 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 5/7/16 9:08 AM, wrote:

There aren't any democrats here so it would not make much difference
what I say. The democrats don't even run a candidate for some offices
and it is decided in the primary.


Ahh, a right-wing ghetto. How nice.

You trimmed the part where I said it would be like a republican
running for mayor in DC. That didn't happen in 2014 at all.

I am also not sure how a town dominated by communities full of half
million to several million dollar houses is really a ghetto tho.



Ghetto has more than the meaning someone who has not studied the liberal
arts might give it. :)

As an example, one of the towns I lived in had a large section know as
"The Golden Ghetto," because it was where most of the area's doctors,
lawyers, factory owners, et cetera, lived.


Give it up Harry.

He can't

You are just playing games.

That's all he has to live for.

No tow job...
 

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/7/16 4:56 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 7 May 2016 13:03:27 -0700 (PDT),
" wrote:

On Saturday, May 7, 2016 at 1:05:42 PM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/7/16 9:08 AM, wrote:

There aren't any democrats here so it would not make much difference
what I say. The democrats don't even run a candidate for some offices
and it is decided in the primary.


Ahh, a right-wing ghetto. How nice.

===

There are a lot of good citizens here who have served their country in
various ways, pay their taxes in full, and repay their loans. Do you
have a problem with that?

He prefers a place like DC with 51% of the babies born out of wedlock,
40% of the population is on welfare, 85% of the people in the child
welfare system have parents with substance abuse problems. It is also
a place where the murder rate is up 54% from last year.
Then he has the balls to say I live in a ghetto. I guess he never
heard of Estero. I suppose that is a good thing. We have too many
people coming down here now, telling us we need to do things like they
did up north.


As we both know, I don't live in DC, although there are some very nice
residential areas there. And didn't we once discuss how your country has
a higher crime rate than mine? You live in a ghetto area of white
Republicans, right, ghetto in this case meaning only a high
concentration of similar-minded people.

I've been to SW Florida, as I have mentioned before. I prefer the other
side of the lower part of the state, where it is less homogenized.

On a far lesser note, it's good to see that W'hine, whose political
party is going to nominate a jackass, is still a jackass.


I did not know Wayne was supporting Hillary.

No tow job...
 

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/7/2016 7:17 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/7/16 6:57 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/7/2016 6:03 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/7/16 4:01 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 7 May 2016 13:05:39 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 5/7/16 9:08 AM, wrote:

There aren't any democrats here so it would not make much difference
what I say. The democrats don't even run a candidate for some offices
and it is decided in the primary.


Ahh, a right-wing ghetto. How nice.

You trimmed the part where I said it would be like a republican
running for mayor in DC. That didn't happen in 2014 at all.

I am also not sure how a town dominated by communities full of half
million to several million dollar houses is really a ghetto tho.



Ghetto has more than the meaning someone who has not studied the liberal
arts might give it. :)

As an example, one of the towns I lived in had a large section know as
"The Golden Ghetto," because it was where most of the area's doctors,
lawyers, factory owners, et cetera, lived.


Give it up Harry. You know as well as anyone what the common definition
of a "ghetto" is. You are just playing games.



It would take no effort to produce cites for definitions of "ghetto"
that go beyond the "common" understanding of it here. But why bother?
|

Used in common, modern conversation (or writing) I'll betcha 99 out of
100 people with degrees in English would define a "ghetto" as being an
economically depressed area populated primarily by a minority group.

You are probably the only lib arts major on the planet that tries to
put another meaning on the word ... and only when you are losing an
argument.




Harry's definition pretty much went away with the Crystal Night and the
Jewish Ghettos.

No tow job...
 

Keyser Söze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/7/2016 8:31 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/7/16 8:23 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 7 May 2016 20:06:30 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:


As a liberal arts grad, I am aware of the vagaries of language, as is
the OED:

? ghetto, n.

(?g?t??)

Also 7 gheto.

[Of uncertain etym., perh. f. It. getto foundry, as the first ghetto
founded in Venice in 1516 was on the site of a foundry.]

1.1 The quarter in a city, chiefly in Italy, to which the Jews were
restricted.

1611 Coryat Crudities 230 The place where the whole fraternity of
the Iews dwelleth together, which is called the Ghetto. Ibid. 234
Walking in the Court of the Ghetto, I casually met with a Iewish Rabbin
that spake good Latin. 1756–7 tr. Keysler's Trav. (1760) II. 76 A
particular part of the city, noted for houses of ill-fame, was assigned
by Cosmo I. to the Jews, for their particular quarter, or ghetto.
1879 Farrar St. Paul I. 5 The crowded ghetto of a Pagan capital.
1887 Dowden Shelley II. vii. 277 An obscure quarter of Rome, hard by
the gate of the Ghetto.

2.2 transf. and fig. A quarter in a city, esp. a thickly populated slum
area, inhabited by a minority group or groups, usu. as a result of
economic or social pressures; an area, etc., occupied by an isolated
group; an isolated or segregated group, community, or area.

1892 I. Zangwill Children of Ghetto I. i. 2 The particular Ghetto
that is the dark background upon which our pictures will be cast is of
voluntary formation. 1897 Literature 27 Nov. 180/1 The
Farringdon-road collection of barrows has become the veriest Ghetto of
bookland. 1908 J. London Martin Eden (1910) xxxvi. 310 They
dismounted and plunged off to the right into the heart of the
working-class ghetto. 1909 Westm. Gaz. 20 Aug. 8/3 The people?have
grown superior to the banal excitement and cheap attractions of the
densely crowded areas. The day on which the tramways went over
Westminster Bridge recorded the unlocking of the London ghettos. 1937
Times 6 Oct. 13/7 Part of the benches [in the Warsaw Polytechnic] have
been marked for students belonging to a union almost exclusively
controlled by ‘Aryans’, and others for the Jewish students' union, while
a few seats for non-union students are left unmarked.? The establishment
of the ‘bench ghetto’ is an important precedent, unknown even in
Germany. 1957 Times Lit. Suppl. 29 Nov. 713/3 On records the Coloured
jazz musicians still played largely for their race; in life they played
for the immigrants into the Negro city ghettoes. 1961 L. Mumford City
in History xvi. 493 The suburb?was a segregated community?a sort of
green ghetto dedicated to the elite. 1961 Listener 7 Dec. 1000/3 [The
television programme] ‘Bookstand’, (November 30), capriciously shifted
to the Tuesday ghetto, had one memorable item. 1966 Ibid. 29 Sept.
454/1 The ghetto is one of two in which most of Chicago's Negroes, who
make up a quarter of the city's population, are forced to live. 1968
N.Y. Rev. Books 11 July 34/1 The ‘breakdown of the Catholic ghetto’ is a
good thing, but the breakdown of intellectual ghettos at M.I.T. and
Harvard might be, educationally, an even better thing.

3.3 attrib. and Comb.

1892 I. Zangwill Childr. Ghetto (1893) 2 The Ghetto?becomes only a
swarming-place for the poor and the ignorant.? Such people are their own
Ghetto gates. 1903 Daily Chron. 5 Aug. 5//2 What he calls the Ghetto
face and the Ghetto eye, observable enough in immigrants, cannot be
detected after a generation or two on American soil. 1908 J. London
Martin Eden (1910) xxxviii. 328 Tell them why you don't want Socialism.
Tell them what you think about them and their ghetto ethics. 1941
Koestler Scum of Earth 48 The country which was the first to introduce
yellow ghetto benches in its schools. 1949 ? Promise & Fulfilment ii.
iv. 251 The victory of the new type of Israelis grown on Palestine soil
over the obstinate fanaticism of ghetto-bred politicians. Ibid. iii.
i. 294 The same ghetto-heritage of suspicion. 1968 Guardian 24 Oct.
10/2 Those ancestors of today's ghetto-dwellers came to areas where,
unlike the South, there was no discrimination. 1969 Ibid. 17 Sept.
10/2 Catholics are not going to abandon the ghetto mentality which the
events of the past month have created unless Stormont shows some belated
signs of having the stomach for dealing with Protestant extremists.
1971 Radio Times 16 Sept. 37/5 Social workers are becoming
increasingly worried by the ‘ghetto mentality’ in the deprived areas of
our cities.

b.3.b Special Comb. ghetto blaster slang (orig. U.S.), a large portable
stereo radio (and cassette player), esp. one on which (Black) popular
music is played loudly.

[1982 N.Y. Times 30 May 46/3 He and his sextet, the Ghetto Blasters,
brought their mixture of harmonized Southern rock and rhythm-and-blues
to the Bottom Line.] 1983 Times 27 May 10/3 The growing high-street
popularity of Sony Walkmans and portable stereo cassette players
(‘*ghetto blasters’). 1983 Daily Mirror 4 June 13/1 A beat throbbing
from a ghetto-blaster—a giant, portable stereo system. 1983 Christian
Science Monitor 27 Sept. 21 Six feet tall, 16 years old, and carrying a
‘ghetto blaster’.


______________________________

Draft partial entry June 2006

? ghetto fabulous n. and adj. orig. U.S. (a) n. an ostentatious or
flamboyant lifestyle or manner of dress, associated with the hip-hop
subculture and characterized as a marker of status in economically
disadvantaged urban neighborhoods; (b) adj. of, relating to, or
exemplifying this style (variously viewed approvingly or
disapprovingly).

1996 N.Y. Times 14 Jan. xiii. 4/2 Founded by Andre Harrell, it
merged the softer approach of rhythm and blues with the hard edge of
hip-hop to create what Mr. Harrell called ‘New Jack Swing’—or, as he
describes it, ‘high Style urban black life a.k.a. *ghetto fabulous’.
1996 Billboard (Nexis) 4 May Horace is the kind of guy who can wear
a mink coat and Versace shades. His style is ghetto fabulous?. He comes
from the 'hood, but he has class. 1998 Plain Dealer (Cleveland, Ohio)
(Nexis) 21 Apr. 5 b, Blige held the crowd in the palm of her hand
through every lazy step as she sauntered across the stage in ghetto
fabulous outfits. 2001 GTA Today 12 Jan. 10/4 Avoid red fox fur (not
hip), fluffy coats (too ghetto fabulous), and anything ankle length.
2003 Boys Toys Aug. 105/3 You should also try Vana Talinn, a
mega-strong, very sweet liqueur. It's usually served with coffee over
ice or if you're ghetto fabulous, with champagne. 2004 Vanity Fair
June 60/3 [His] style is a combination of pimp, ghetto-fabulous, and
make-believe dandy.


And also:

Golden Ghetto

As opposed to a traditional 'ghetto' community that is destroyed by
poverty, the golden ghetto's problems stem from excess


Pretty weak. Ghetto still means a place where Jews or poor people
live.
The fact that a few rappers embraced the term does not change the
meaning ... unless you think "nigga" is now OK since Larry Wilmore
called the president "my nigga".



There are plenty of references that expand the meaning of ghetto beyond
what you think it means.


Point is, in normal conversation or writing, even by the "highly
educated" ... "Ghetto" has only one normally used meaning.




The original meaning or the evolved meanings? Language is fluid.


Yup, the old meaning of ghetto has been washed away.

No tow job...
 

On 5/9/16 1:40 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/7/2016 8:31 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/7/16 8:23 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 7 May 2016 20:06:30 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:


As a liberal arts grad, I am aware of the vagaries of language, as is
the OED:

? ghetto, n.

(?g?t??)

Also 7 gheto.

[Of uncertain etym., perh. f. It. getto foundry, as the first ghetto
founded in Venice in 1516 was on the site of a foundry.]

1.1 The quarter in a city, chiefly in Italy, to which the Jews were
restricted.

1611 Coryat Crudities 230 The place where the whole fraternity of
the Iews dwelleth together, which is called the Ghetto. Ibid. 234
Walking in the Court of the Ghetto, I casually met with a Iewish Rabbin
that spake good Latin. 1756–7 tr. Keysler's Trav. (1760) II. 76 A
particular part of the city, noted for houses of ill-fame, was assigned
by Cosmo I. to the Jews, for their particular quarter, or ghetto.
1879 Farrar St. Paul I. 5 The crowded ghetto of a Pagan capital.
1887 Dowden Shelley II. vii. 277 An obscure quarter of Rome, hard by
the gate of the Ghetto.

2.2 transf. and fig. A quarter in a city, esp. a thickly populated slum
area, inhabited by a minority group or groups, usu. as a result of
economic or social pressures; an area, etc., occupied by an isolated
group; an isolated or segregated group, community, or area.

1892 I. Zangwill Children of Ghetto I. i. 2 The particular Ghetto
that is the dark background upon which our pictures will be cast is of
voluntary formation. 1897 Literature 27 Nov. 180/1 The
Farringdon-road collection of barrows has become the veriest Ghetto of
bookland. 1908 J. London Martin Eden (1910) xxxvi. 310 They
dismounted and plunged off to the right into the heart of the
working-class ghetto. 1909 Westm. Gaz. 20 Aug. 8/3 The people?have
grown superior to the banal excitement and cheap attractions of the
densely crowded areas. The day on which the tramways went over
Westminster Bridge recorded the unlocking of the London ghettos. 1937
Times 6 Oct. 13/7 Part of the benches [in the Warsaw Polytechnic] have
been marked for students belonging to a union almost exclusively
controlled by ‘Aryans’, and others for the Jewish students' union, while
a few seats for non-union students are left unmarked.? The establishment
of the ‘bench ghetto’ is an important precedent, unknown even in
Germany. 1957 Times Lit. Suppl. 29 Nov. 713/3 On records the Coloured
jazz musicians still played largely for their race; in life they played
for the immigrants into the Negro city ghettoes. 1961 L. Mumford City
in History xvi. 493 The suburb?was a segregated community?a sort of
green ghetto dedicated to the elite. 1961 Listener 7 Dec. 1000/3 [The
television programme] ‘Bookstand’, (November 30), capriciously shifted
to the Tuesday ghetto, had one memorable item. 1966 Ibid. 29 Sept.
454/1 The ghetto is one of two in which most of Chicago's Negroes, who
make up a quarter of the city's population, are forced to live. 1968
N.Y. Rev. Books 11 July 34/1 The ‘breakdown of the Catholic ghetto’ is a
good thing, but the breakdown of intellectual ghettos at M.I.T. and
Harvard might be, educationally, an even better thing.

3.3 attrib. and Comb.

1892 I. Zangwill Childr. Ghetto (1893) 2 The Ghetto?becomes only a
swarming-place for the poor and the ignorant.? Such people are their own
Ghetto gates. 1903 Daily Chron. 5 Aug. 5//2 What he calls the Ghetto
face and the Ghetto eye, observable enough in immigrants, cannot be
detected after a generation or two on American soil. 1908 J. London
Martin Eden (1910) xxxviii. 328 Tell them why you don't want Socialism.
Tell them what you think about them and their ghetto ethics. 1941
Koestler Scum of Earth 48 The country which was the first to introduce
yellow ghetto benches in its schools. 1949 ? Promise & Fulfilment ii.
iv. 251 The victory of the new type of Israelis grown on Palestine soil
over the obstinate fanaticism of ghetto-bred politicians. Ibid. iii.
i. 294 The same ghetto-heritage of suspicion. 1968 Guardian 24 Oct.
10/2 Those ancestors of today's ghetto-dwellers came to areas where,
unlike the South, there was no discrimination. 1969 Ibid. 17 Sept.
10/2 Catholics are not going to abandon the ghetto mentality which the
events of the past month have created unless Stormont shows some belated
signs of having the stomach for dealing with Protestant extremists.
1971 Radio Times 16 Sept. 37/5 Social workers are becoming
increasingly worried by the ‘ghetto mentality’ in the deprived areas of
our cities.

b.3.b Special Comb. ghetto blaster slang (orig. U.S.), a large portable
stereo radio (and cassette player), esp. one on which (Black) popular
music is played loudly.

[1982 N.Y. Times 30 May 46/3 He and his sextet, the Ghetto Blasters,
brought their mixture of harmonized Southern rock and rhythm-and-blues
to the Bottom Line.] 1983 Times 27 May 10/3 The growing high-street
popularity of Sony Walkmans and portable stereo cassette players
(‘*ghetto blasters’). 1983 Daily Mirror 4 June 13/1 A beat throbbing
from a ghetto-blaster—a giant, portable stereo system. 1983 Christian
Science Monitor 27 Sept. 21 Six feet tall, 16 years old, and carrying a
‘ghetto blaster’.


______________________________

Draft partial entry June 2006

? ghetto fabulous n. and adj. orig. U.S. (a) n. an ostentatious or
flamboyant lifestyle or manner of dress, associated with the hip-hop
subculture and characterized as a marker of status in economically
disadvantaged urban neighborhoods; (b) adj. of, relating to, or
exemplifying this style (variously viewed approvingly or
disapprovingly).

1996 N.Y. Times 14 Jan. xiii. 4/2 Founded by Andre Harrell, it
merged the softer approach of rhythm and blues with the hard edge of
hip-hop to create what Mr. Harrell called ‘New Jack Swing’—or, as he
describes it, ‘high Style urban black life a.k.a. *ghetto fabulous’.
1996 Billboard (Nexis) 4 May Horace is the kind of guy who can wear
a mink coat and Versace shades. His style is ghetto fabulous?. He comes
from the 'hood, but he has class. 1998 Plain Dealer (Cleveland, Ohio)
(Nexis) 21 Apr. 5 b, Blige held the crowd in the palm of her hand
through every lazy step as she sauntered across the stage in ghetto
fabulous outfits. 2001 GTA Today 12 Jan. 10/4 Avoid red fox fur (not
hip), fluffy coats (too ghetto fabulous), and anything ankle length.
2003 Boys Toys Aug. 105/3 You should also try Vana Talinn, a
mega-strong, very sweet liqueur. It's usually served with coffee over
ice or if you're ghetto fabulous, with champagne. 2004 Vanity Fair
June 60/3 [His] style is a combination of pimp, ghetto-fabulous, and
make-believe dandy.


And also:

Golden Ghetto

As opposed to a traditional 'ghetto' community that is destroyed by
poverty, the golden ghetto's problems stem from excess


Pretty weak. Ghetto still means a place where Jews or poor people
live.
The fact that a few rappers embraced the term does not change the
meaning ... unless you think "nigga" is now OK since Larry Wilmore
called the president "my nigga".



There are plenty of references that expand the meaning of ghetto beyond
what you think it means.


Point is, in normal conversation or writing, even by the "highly
educated" ... "Ghetto" has only one normally used meaning.




The original meaning or the evolved meanings? Language is fluid.


Yup, the old meaning of ghetto has been washed away.


No, it is still there, but the meanings have expanded. Language is fluid.

No tow job...
 

I did not know Wayne was supporting Hillary.

===

The reality is that Wayne has no dog in this hunt and intensely dislikes both candidates. Of the two Hillary might well be the lesser evil but it would certainly pain me to vote for her. It would be nice to have a half way viable 3rd party alternative.

No tow job...
 

On Mon, 9 May 2016 07:22:43 -0700 (PDT),
" wrote:



I did not know Wayne was supporting Hillary.

===

The reality is that Wayne has no dog in this hunt and intensely dislikes both candidates. Of the two Hillary might well be the lesser evil but it would certainly pain me to vote for her. It would be nice to have a half way viable 3rd party alternative.

This may be the best opportunity for that in over 100 years when the
3d party got 11 times the number of EC votes as the republican. They
still lost in a landslide to Wilson.
The first world war started in his administration, pretty much over
nothing.

No tow job...
 

On 5/9/16 10:42 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 9 May 2016 07:22:43 -0700 (PDT),
" wrote:



I did not know Wayne was supporting Hillary.

===

The reality is that Wayne has no dog in this hunt and intensely dislikes both candidates. Of the two Hillary might well be the lesser evil but it would certainly pain me to vote for her. It would be nice to have a half way viable 3rd party alternative.

This may be the best opportunity for that in over 100 years when the
3d party got 11 times the number of EC votes as the republican. They
still lost in a landslide to Wilson.
The first world war started in his administration, pretty much over
nothing.



A government hater like you would like the resulting chaos, in which no
candidate got the required 270 EC votes and the election was tossed into
the U.S. House, where the controlling Repugnants selected a
bible-thumping teabagger.

No thanks.

No tow job...
 

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/9/16 1:40 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/7/2016 8:31 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/7/16 8:23 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 7 May 2016 20:06:30 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:


As a liberal arts grad, I am aware of the vagaries of language, as is
the OED:

? ghetto, n.

(?g?t??)

Also 7 gheto.

[Of uncertain etym., perh. f. It. getto foundry, as the first ghetto
founded in Venice in 1516 was on the site of a foundry.]

1.1 The quarter in a city, chiefly in Italy, to which the Jews were
restricted.

1611 Coryat Crudities 230 The place where the whole fraternity of
the Iews dwelleth together, which is called the Ghetto. Ibid. 234
Walking in the Court of the Ghetto, I casually met with a Iewish Rabbin
that spake good Latin. 1756–7 tr. Keysler's Trav. (1760) II. 76 A
particular part of the city, noted for houses of ill-fame, was assigned
by Cosmo I. to the Jews, for their particular quarter, or ghetto.
1879 Farrar St. Paul I. 5 The crowded ghetto of a Pagan capital.
1887 Dowden Shelley II. vii. 277 An obscure quarter of Rome, hard by
the gate of the Ghetto.

2.2 transf. and fig. A quarter in a city, esp. a thickly populated slum
area, inhabited by a minority group or groups, usu. as a result of
economic or social pressures; an area, etc., occupied by an isolated
group; an isolated or segregated group, community, or area.

1892 I. Zangwill Children of Ghetto I. i. 2 The particular Ghetto
that is the dark background upon which our pictures will be cast is of
voluntary formation. 1897 Literature 27 Nov. 180/1 The
Farringdon-road collection of barrows has become the veriest Ghetto of
bookland. 1908 J. London Martin Eden (1910) xxxvi. 310 They
dismounted and plunged off to the right into the heart of the
working-class ghetto. 1909 Westm. Gaz. 20 Aug. 8/3 The people?have
grown superior to the banal excitement and cheap attractions of the
densely crowded areas. The day on which the tramways went over
Westminster Bridge recorded the unlocking of the London ghettos. 1937
Times 6 Oct. 13/7 Part of the benches [in the Warsaw Polytechnic] have
been marked for students belonging to a union almost exclusively
controlled by ‘Aryans’, and others for the Jewish students' union, while
a few seats for non-union students are left unmarked.? The establishment
of the ‘bench ghetto’ is an important precedent, unknown even in
Germany. 1957 Times Lit. Suppl. 29 Nov. 713/3 On records the Coloured
jazz musicians still played largely for their race; in life they played
for the immigrants into the Negro city ghettoes. 1961 L. Mumford City
in History xvi. 493 The suburb?was a segregated community?a sort of
green ghetto dedicated to the elite. 1961 Listener 7 Dec. 1000/3 [The
television programme] ‘Bookstand’, (November 30), capriciously shifted
to the Tuesday ghetto, had one memorable item. 1966 Ibid. 29 Sept.
454/1 The ghetto is one of two in which most of Chicago's Negroes, who
make up a quarter of the city's population, are forced to live. 1968
N.Y. Rev. Books 11 July 34/1 The ‘breakdown of the Catholic ghetto’ is a
good thing, but the breakdown of intellectual ghettos at M.I.T. and
Harvard might be, educationally, an even better thing.

3.3 attrib. and Comb.

1892 I. Zangwill Childr. Ghetto (1893) 2 The Ghetto?becomes only a
swarming-place for the poor and the ignorant.? Such people are their own
Ghetto gates. 1903 Daily Chron. 5 Aug. 5//2 What he calls the Ghetto
face and the Ghetto eye, observable enough in immigrants, cannot be
detected after a generation or two on American soil. 1908 J. London
Martin Eden (1910) xxxviii. 328 Tell them why you don't want Socialism.
Tell them what you think about them and their ghetto ethics. 1941
Koestler Scum of Earth 48 The country which was the first to introduce
yellow ghetto benches in its schools. 1949 ? Promise & Fulfilment ii.
iv. 251 The victory of the new type of Israelis grown on Palestine soil
over the obstinate fanaticism of ghetto-bred politicians. Ibid. iii.
i. 294 The same ghetto-heritage of suspicion. 1968 Guardian 24 Oct.
10/2 Those ancestors of today's ghetto-dwellers came to areas where,
unlike the South, there was no discrimination. 1969 Ibid. 17 Sept.
10/2 Catholics are not going to abandon the ghetto mentality which the
events of the past month have created unless Stormont shows some belated
signs of having the stomach for dealing with Protestant extremists.
1971 Radio Times 16 Sept. 37/5 Social workers are becoming
increasingly worried by the ‘ghetto mentality’ in the deprived areas of
our cities.

b.3.b Special Comb. ghetto blaster slang (orig. U.S.), a large portable
stereo radio (and cassette player), esp. one on which (Black) popular
music is played loudly.

[1982 N.Y. Times 30 May 46/3 He and his sextet, the Ghetto Blasters,
brought their mixture of harmonized Southern rock and rhythm-and-blues
to the Bottom Line.] 1983 Times 27 May 10/3 The growing high-street
popularity of Sony Walkmans and portable stereo cassette players
(‘*ghetto blasters’). 1983 Daily Mirror 4 June 13/1 A beat throbbing
from a ghetto-blaster—a giant, portable stereo system. 1983 Christian
Science Monitor 27 Sept. 21 Six feet tall, 16 years old, and carrying a
‘ghetto blaster’.


______________________________

Draft partial entry June 2006

? ghetto fabulous n. and adj. orig. U.S. (a) n. an ostentatious or
flamboyant lifestyle or manner of dress, associated with the hip-hop
subculture and characterized as a marker of status in economically
disadvantaged urban neighborhoods; (b) adj. of, relating to, or
exemplifying this style (variously viewed approvingly or
disapprovingly).

1996 N.Y. Times 14 Jan. xiii. 4/2 Founded by Andre Harrell, it
merged the softer approach of rhythm and blues with the hard edge of
hip-hop to create what Mr. Harrell called ‘New Jack Swing’—or, as he
describes it, ‘high Style urban black life a.k.a. *ghetto fabulous’.
1996 Billboard (Nexis) 4 May Horace is the kind of guy who can wear
a mink coat and Versace shades. His style is ghetto fabulous?. He comes
from the 'hood, but he has class. 1998 Plain Dealer (Cleveland, Ohio)
(Nexis) 21 Apr. 5 b, Blige held the crowd in the palm of her hand
through every lazy step as she sauntered across the stage in ghetto
fabulous outfits. 2001 GTA Today 12 Jan. 10/4 Avoid red fox fur (not
hip), fluffy coats (too ghetto fabulous), and anything ankle length.
2003 Boys Toys Aug. 105/3 You should also try Vana Talinn, a
mega-strong, very sweet liqueur. It's usually served with coffee over
ice or if you're ghetto fabulous, with champagne. 2004 Vanity Fair
June 60/3 [His] style is a combination of pimp, ghetto-fabulous, and
make-believe dandy.


And also:

Golden Ghetto

As opposed to a traditional 'ghetto' community that is destroyed by
poverty, the golden ghetto's problems stem from excess


Pretty weak. Ghetto still means a place where Jews or poor people
live.
The fact that a few rappers embraced the term does not change the
meaning ... unless you think "nigga" is now OK since Larry Wilmore
called the president "my nigga".



There are plenty of references that expand the meaning of ghetto beyond
what you think it means.


Point is, in normal conversation or writing, even by the "highly
educated" ... "Ghetto" has only one normally used meaning.




The original meaning or the evolved meanings? Language is fluid.


Yup, the old meaning of ghetto has been washed away.


No, it is still there, but the meanings have expanded. Language is fluid.


It is still there, but the old meaning just is not used these days in
normal communication. Maybe you should have taken some better courses.

No tow job...
 

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/9/16 10:42 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 9 May 2016 07:22:43 -0700 (PDT),
" wrote:



I did not know Wayne was supporting Hillary.

===

The reality is that Wayne has no dog in this hunt and intensely
dislikes both candidates. Of the two Hillary might well be the lesser
evil but it would certainly pain me to vote for her. It would be nice
to have a half way viable 3rd party alternative.

This may be the best opportunity for that in over 100 years when the
3d party got 11 times the number of EC votes as the republican. They
still lost in a landslide to Wilson.
The first world war started in his administration, pretty much over
nothing.



A government hater like you would like the resulting chaos, in which no
candidate got the required 270 EC votes and the election was tossed into
the U.S. House, where the controlling Repugnants selected a
bible-thumping teabagger.

No thanks.


Could not be much worse then the last 30-40 years POTUS. And maybe we
could actually have viable candidates then.

No tow job...
 

On Mon, 9 May 2016 10:51:12 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 5/9/16 10:42 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 9 May 2016 07:22:43 -0700 (PDT),
" wrote:



I did not know Wayne was supporting Hillary.

===

The reality is that Wayne has no dog in this hunt and intensely dislikes both candidates. Of the two Hillary might well be the lesser evil but it would certainly pain me to vote for her. It would be nice to have a half way viable 3rd party alternative.

This may be the best opportunity for that in over 100 years when the
3d party got 11 times the number of EC votes as the republican. They
still lost in a landslide to Wilson.
The first world war started in his administration, pretty much over
nothing.



A government hater like you would like the resulting chaos, in which no
candidate got the required 270 EC votes and the election was tossed into
the U.S. House, where the controlling Repugnants selected a
bible-thumping teabagger.

No thanks.

Would you rather have Trump?

No tow job...
 

On Mon, 09 May 2016 10:42:20 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:

Yup, the old meaning of ghetto has been washed away.


No, it is still there, but the meanings have expanded. Language is fluid.


It is still there, but the old meaning just is not used these days in
normal communication. Maybe you should have taken some better courses.

I am surprised that "mr politically correct" is so sanguine about
people making light of the holocaust.

No tow job...
 

On 5/9/16 11:42 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/9/16 1:40 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/7/2016 8:31 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/7/16 8:23 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 7 May 2016 20:06:30 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:


As a liberal arts grad, I am aware of the vagaries of language, as is
the OED:

? ghetto, n.

(?g?t??)

Also 7 gheto.

[Of uncertain etym., perh. f. It. getto foundry, as the first ghetto
founded in Venice in 1516 was on the site of a foundry.]

1.1 The quarter in a city, chiefly in Italy, to which the Jews were
restricted.

1611 Coryat Crudities 230 The place where the whole fraternity of
the Iews dwelleth together, which is called the Ghetto. Ibid. 234
Walking in the Court of the Ghetto, I casually met with a Iewish Rabbin
that spake good Latin. 1756–7 tr. Keysler's Trav. (1760) II. 76 A
particular part of the city, noted for houses of ill-fame, was assigned
by Cosmo I. to the Jews, for their particular quarter, or ghetto.
1879 Farrar St. Paul I. 5 The crowded ghetto of a Pagan capital.
1887 Dowden Shelley II. vii. 277 An obscure quarter of Rome, hard by
the gate of the Ghetto.

2.2 transf. and fig. A quarter in a city, esp. a thickly populated slum
area, inhabited by a minority group or groups, usu. as a result of
economic or social pressures; an area, etc., occupied by an isolated
group; an isolated or segregated group, community, or area.

1892 I. Zangwill Children of Ghetto I. i. 2 The particular Ghetto
that is the dark background upon which our pictures will be cast is of
voluntary formation. 1897 Literature 27 Nov. 180/1 The
Farringdon-road collection of barrows has become the veriest Ghetto of
bookland. 1908 J. London Martin Eden (1910) xxxvi. 310 They
dismounted and plunged off to the right into the heart of the
working-class ghetto. 1909 Westm. Gaz. 20 Aug. 8/3 The people?have
grown superior to the banal excitement and cheap attractions of the
densely crowded areas. The day on which the tramways went over
Westminster Bridge recorded the unlocking of the London ghettos. 1937
Times 6 Oct. 13/7 Part of the benches [in the Warsaw Polytechnic] have
been marked for students belonging to a union almost exclusively
controlled by ‘Aryans’, and others for the Jewish students' union, while
a few seats for non-union students are left unmarked.? The establishment
of the ‘bench ghetto’ is an important precedent, unknown even in
Germany. 1957 Times Lit. Suppl. 29 Nov. 713/3 On records the Coloured
jazz musicians still played largely for their race; in life they played
for the immigrants into the Negro city ghettoes. 1961 L. Mumford City
in History xvi. 493 The suburb?was a segregated community?a sort of
green ghetto dedicated to the elite. 1961 Listener 7 Dec. 1000/3 [The
television programme] ‘Bookstand’, (November 30), capriciously shifted
to the Tuesday ghetto, had one memorable item. 1966 Ibid. 29 Sept.
454/1 The ghetto is one of two in which most of Chicago's Negroes, who
make up a quarter of the city's population, are forced to live. 1968
N.Y. Rev. Books 11 July 34/1 The ‘breakdown of the Catholic ghetto’ is a
good thing, but the breakdown of intellectual ghettos at M.I.T. and
Harvard might be, educationally, an even better thing.

3.3 attrib. and Comb.

1892 I. Zangwill Childr. Ghetto (1893) 2 The Ghetto?becomes only a
swarming-place for the poor and the ignorant.? Such people are their own
Ghetto gates. 1903 Daily Chron. 5 Aug. 5//2 What he calls the Ghetto
face and the Ghetto eye, observable enough in immigrants, cannot be
detected after a generation or two on American soil. 1908 J. London
Martin Eden (1910) xxxviii. 328 Tell them why you don't want Socialism.
Tell them what you think about them and their ghetto ethics. 1941
Koestler Scum of Earth 48 The country which was the first to introduce
yellow ghetto benches in its schools. 1949 ? Promise & Fulfilment ii.
iv. 251 The victory of the new type of Israelis grown on Palestine soil
over the obstinate fanaticism of ghetto-bred politicians. Ibid. iii.
i. 294 The same ghetto-heritage of suspicion. 1968 Guardian 24 Oct.
10/2 Those ancestors of today's ghetto-dwellers came to areas where,
unlike the South, there was no discrimination. 1969 Ibid. 17 Sept.
10/2 Catholics are not going to abandon the ghetto mentality which the
events of the past month have created unless Stormont shows some belated
signs of having the stomach for dealing with Protestant extremists.
1971 Radio Times 16 Sept. 37/5 Social workers are becoming
increasingly worried by the ‘ghetto mentality’ in the deprived areas of
our cities.

b.3.b Special Comb. ghetto blaster slang (orig. U.S.), a large portable
stereo radio (and cassette player), esp. one on which (Black) popular
music is played loudly.

[1982 N.Y. Times 30 May 46/3 He and his sextet, the Ghetto Blasters,
brought their mixture of harmonized Southern rock and rhythm-and-blues
to the Bottom Line.] 1983 Times 27 May 10/3 The growing high-street
popularity of Sony Walkmans and portable stereo cassette players
(‘*ghetto blasters’). 1983 Daily Mirror 4 June 13/1 A beat throbbing
from a ghetto-blaster—a giant, portable stereo system. 1983 Christian
Science Monitor 27 Sept. 21 Six feet tall, 16 years old, and carrying a
‘ghetto blaster’.


______________________________

Draft partial entry June 2006

? ghetto fabulous n. and adj. orig. U.S. (a) n. an ostentatious or
flamboyant lifestyle or manner of dress, associated with the hip-hop
subculture and characterized as a marker of status in economically
disadvantaged urban neighborhoods; (b) adj. of, relating to, or
exemplifying this style (variously viewed approvingly or
disapprovingly).

1996 N.Y. Times 14 Jan. xiii. 4/2 Founded by Andre Harrell, it
merged the softer approach of rhythm and blues with the hard edge of
hip-hop to create what Mr. Harrell called ‘New Jack Swing’—or, as he
describes it, ‘high Style urban black life a.k.a. *ghetto fabulous’.
1996 Billboard (Nexis) 4 May Horace is the kind of guy who can wear
a mink coat and Versace shades. His style is ghetto fabulous?. He comes
from the 'hood, but he has class. 1998 Plain Dealer (Cleveland, Ohio)
(Nexis) 21 Apr. 5 b, Blige held the crowd in the palm of her hand
through every lazy step as she sauntered across the stage in ghetto
fabulous outfits. 2001 GTA Today 12 Jan. 10/4 Avoid red fox fur (not
hip), fluffy coats (too ghetto fabulous), and anything ankle length.
2003 Boys Toys Aug. 105/3 You should also try Vana Talinn, a
mega-strong, very sweet liqueur. It's usually served with coffee over
ice or if you're ghetto fabulous, with champagne. 2004 Vanity Fair
June 60/3 [His] style is a combination of pimp, ghetto-fabulous, and
make-believe dandy.


And also:

Golden Ghetto

As opposed to a traditional 'ghetto' community that is destroyed by
poverty, the golden ghetto's problems stem from excess


Pretty weak. Ghetto still means a place where Jews or poor people
live.
The fact that a few rappers embraced the term does not change the
meaning ... unless you think "nigga" is now OK since Larry Wilmore
called the president "my nigga".



There are plenty of references that expand the meaning of ghetto beyond
what you think it means.


Point is, in normal conversation or writing, even by the "highly
educated" ... "Ghetto" has only one normally used meaning.




The original meaning or the evolved meanings? Language is fluid.


Yup, the old meaning of ghetto has been washed away.


No, it is still there, but the meanings have expanded. Language is fluid.


It is still there, but the old meaning just is not used these days in
normal communication. Maybe you should have taken some better courses.


Perhaps it isn't used among you and your fellow semi-illiterates...but
it is still used.

No tow job...
 

On 5/9/16 11:42 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/9/16 10:42 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 9 May 2016 07:22:43 -0700 (PDT),
" wrote:



I did not know Wayne was supporting Hillary.

===

The reality is that Wayne has no dog in this hunt and intensely
dislikes both candidates. Of the two Hillary might well be the lesser
evil but it would certainly pain me to vote for her. It would be nice
to have a half way viable 3rd party alternative.

This may be the best opportunity for that in over 100 years when the
3d party got 11 times the number of EC votes as the republican. They
still lost in a landslide to Wilson.
The first world war started in his administration, pretty much over
nothing.



A government hater like you would like the resulting chaos, in which no
candidate got the required 270 EC votes and the election was tossed into
the U.S. House, where the controlling Repugnants selected a
bible-thumping teabagger.

No thanks.


Could not be much worse then the last 30-40 years POTUS. And maybe we
could actually have viable candidates then.


Oh, I believe a bible-thumping teabagger would be worse, a lot worse.

No tow job...
 

On 5/9/16 11:43 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 9 May 2016 10:51:12 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 5/9/16 10:42 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 9 May 2016 07:22:43 -0700 (PDT),
" wrote:



I did not know Wayne was supporting Hillary.

===

The reality is that Wayne has no dog in this hunt and intensely dislikes both candidates. Of the two Hillary might well be the lesser evil but it would certainly pain me to vote for her. It would be nice to have a half way viable 3rd party alternative.

This may be the best opportunity for that in over 100 years when the
3d party got 11 times the number of EC votes as the republican. They
still lost in a landslide to Wilson.
The first world war started in his administration, pretty much over
nothing.



A government hater like you would like the resulting chaos, in which no
candidate got the required 270 EC votes and the election was tossed into
the U.S. House, where the controlling Repugnants selected a
bible-thumping teabagger.

No thanks.

Would you rather have Trump?


Than a bible-thumping teabagger? Tough q uestion.

No tow job...
 

On 5/9/16 12:40 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 09 May 2016 10:42:20 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:

Yup, the old meaning of ghetto has been washed away.


No, it is still there, but the meanings have expanded. Language is fluid.


It is still there, but the old meaning just is not used these days in
normal communication. Maybe you should have taken some better courses.

I am surprised that "mr politically correct" is so sanguine about
people making light of the holocaust.


Who is making light of the holocaust? The fact that the word "ghetto"
has expanded in meaning doesn't lessen the horror of the holocaust. And
besides, the word "ghetto" predates the Nazi holocaust by hundreds of
years.

No tow job...
 

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/9/16 11:42 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/9/16 1:40 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/7/2016 8:31 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/7/16 8:23 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 7 May 2016 20:06:30 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:


As a liberal arts grad, I am aware of the vagaries of language, as is
the OED:

? ghetto, n.

(?g?t??)

Also 7 gheto.

[Of uncertain etym., perh. f. It. getto foundry, as the first ghetto
founded in Venice in 1516 was on the site of a foundry.]

1.1 The quarter in a city, chiefly in Italy, to which the Jews were
restricted.

1611 Coryat Crudities 230 The place where the whole fraternity of
the Iews dwelleth together, which is called the Ghetto. Ibid. 234
Walking in the Court of the Ghetto, I casually met with a Iewish Rabbin
that spake good Latin. 1756–7 tr. Keysler's Trav. (1760) II. 76 A
particular part of the city, noted for houses of ill-fame, was assigned
by Cosmo I. to the Jews, for their particular quarter, or ghetto.
1879 Farrar St. Paul I. 5 The crowded ghetto of a Pagan capital.
1887 Dowden Shelley II. vii. 277 An obscure quarter of Rome, hard by
the gate of the Ghetto.

2.2 transf. and fig. A quarter in a city, esp. a thickly populated slum
area, inhabited by a minority group or groups, usu. as a result of
economic or social pressures; an area, etc., occupied by an isolated
group; an isolated or segregated group, community, or area.

1892 I. Zangwill Children of Ghetto I. i. 2 The particular Ghetto
that is the dark background upon which our pictures will be cast is of
voluntary formation. 1897 Literature 27 Nov. 180/1 The
Farringdon-road collection of barrows has become the veriest Ghetto of
bookland. 1908 J. London Martin Eden (1910) xxxvi. 310 They
dismounted and plunged off to the right into the heart of the
working-class ghetto. 1909 Westm. Gaz. 20 Aug. 8/3 The people?have
grown superior to the banal excitement and cheap attractions of the
densely crowded areas. The day on which the tramways went over
Westminster Bridge recorded the unlocking of the London ghettos. 1937
Times 6 Oct. 13/7 Part of the benches [in the Warsaw Polytechnic] have
been marked for students belonging to a union almost exclusively
controlled by ‘Aryans’, and others for the Jewish students' union, while
a few seats for non-union students are left unmarked.? The establishment
of the ‘bench ghetto’ is an important precedent, unknown even in
Germany. 1957 Times Lit. Suppl. 29 Nov. 713/3 On records the Coloured
jazz musicians still played largely for their race; in life they played
for the immigrants into the Negro city ghettoes. 1961 L. Mumford City
in History xvi. 493 The suburb?was a segregated community?a sort of
green ghetto dedicated to the elite. 1961 Listener 7 Dec. 1000/3 [The
television programme] ‘Bookstand’, (November 30), capriciously shifted
to the Tuesday ghetto, had one memorable item. 1966 Ibid. 29 Sept.
454/1 The ghetto is one of two in which most of Chicago's Negroes, who
make up a quarter of the city's population, are forced to live. 1968
N.Y. Rev. Books 11 July 34/1 The ‘breakdown of the Catholic ghetto’ is a
good thing, but the breakdown of intellectual ghettos at M.I.T. and
Harvard might be, educationally, an even better thing.

3.3 attrib. and Comb.

1892 I. Zangwill Childr. Ghetto (1893) 2 The Ghetto?becomes only a
swarming-place for the poor and the ignorant.? Such people are their own
Ghetto gates. 1903 Daily Chron. 5 Aug. 5//2 What he calls the Ghetto
face and the Ghetto eye, observable enough in immigrants, cannot be
detected after a generation or two on American soil. 1908 J. London
Martin Eden (1910) xxxviii. 328 Tell them why you don't want Socialism.
Tell them what you think about them and their ghetto ethics. 1941
Koestler Scum of Earth 48 The country which was the first to introduce
yellow ghetto benches in its schools. 1949 ? Promise & Fulfilment ii.
iv. 251 The victory of the new type of Israelis grown on Palestine soil
over the obstinate fanaticism of ghetto-bred politicians. Ibid. iii.
i. 294 The same ghetto-heritage of suspicion. 1968 Guardian 24 Oct.
10/2 Those ancestors of today's ghetto-dwellers came to areas where,
unlike the South, there was no discrimination. 1969 Ibid. 17 Sept.
10/2 Catholics are not going to abandon the ghetto mentality which the
events of the past month have created unless Stormont shows some belated
signs of having the stomach for dealing with Protestant extremists.
1971 Radio Times 16 Sept. 37/5 Social workers are becoming
increasingly worried by the ‘ghetto mentality’ in the deprived areas of
our cities.

b.3.b Special Comb. ghetto blaster slang (orig. U.S.), a large portable
stereo radio (and cassette player), esp. one on which (Black) popular
music is played loudly.

[1982 N.Y. Times 30 May 46/3 He and his sextet, the Ghetto Blasters,
brought their mixture of harmonized Southern rock and rhythm-and-blues
to the Bottom Line.] 1983 Times 27 May 10/3 The growing high-street
popularity of Sony Walkmans and portable stereo cassette players
(‘*ghetto blasters’). 1983 Daily Mirror 4 June 13/1 A beat throbbing
from a ghetto-blaster—a giant, portable stereo system. 1983 Christian
Science Monitor 27 Sept. 21 Six feet tall, 16 years old, and carrying a
‘ghetto blaster’.


______________________________

Draft partial entry June 2006

? ghetto fabulous n. and adj. orig. U.S. (a) n. an ostentatious or
flamboyant lifestyle or manner of dress, associated with the hip-hop
subculture and characterized as a marker of status in economically
disadvantaged urban neighborhoods; (b) adj. of, relating to, or
exemplifying this style (variously viewed approvingly or
disapprovingly).

1996 N.Y. Times 14 Jan. xiii. 4/2 Founded by Andre Harrell, it
merged the softer approach of rhythm and blues with the hard edge of
hip-hop to create what Mr. Harrell called ‘New Jack Swing’—or, as he
describes it, ‘high Style urban black life a.k.a. *ghetto fabulous’.
1996 Billboard (Nexis) 4 May Horace is the kind of guy who can wear
a mink coat and Versace shades. His style is ghetto fabulous?. He comes
from the 'hood, but he has class. 1998 Plain Dealer (Cleveland, Ohio)
(Nexis) 21 Apr. 5 b, Blige held the crowd in the palm of her hand
through every lazy step as she sauntered across the stage in ghetto
fabulous outfits. 2001 GTA Today 12 Jan. 10/4 Avoid red fox fur (not
hip), fluffy coats (too ghetto fabulous), and anything ankle length.
2003 Boys Toys Aug. 105/3 You should also try Vana Talinn, a
mega-strong, very sweet liqueur. It's usually served with coffee over
ice or if you're ghetto fabulous, with champagne. 2004 Vanity Fair
June 60/3 [His] style is a combination of pimp, ghetto-fabulous, and
make-believe dandy.


And also:

Golden Ghetto

As opposed to a traditional 'ghetto' community that is destroyed by
poverty, the golden ghetto's problems stem from excess


Pretty weak. Ghetto still means a place where Jews or poor people
live.
The fact that a few rappers embraced the term does not change the
meaning ... unless you think "nigga" is now OK since Larry Wilmore
called the president "my nigga".



There are plenty of references that expand the meaning of ghetto beyond
what you think it means.


Point is, in normal conversation or writing, even by the "highly
educated" ... "Ghetto" has only one normally used meaning.




The original meaning or the evolved meanings? Language is fluid.


Yup, the old meaning of ghetto has been washed away.


No, it is still there, but the meanings have expanded. Language is fluid.


It is still there, but the old meaning just is not used these days in
normal communication. Maybe you should have taken some better courses.


Perhaps it isn't used among you and your fellow semi-illiterates...but
it is still used.


Semi illiterate? Just because you failed any serious science and math
courses.

No tow job...
 

On 5/9/16 1:17 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/9/16 11:42 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/9/16 1:40 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/7/2016 8:31 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/7/16 8:23 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 7 May 2016 20:06:30 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:


As a liberal arts grad, I am aware of the vagaries of language, as is
the OED:

? ghetto, n.

(?g?t??)

Also 7 gheto.

[Of uncertain etym., perh. f. It. getto foundry, as the first ghetto
founded in Venice in 1516 was on the site of a foundry.]

1.1 The quarter in a city, chiefly in Italy, to which the Jews were
restricted.

1611 Coryat Crudities 230 The place where the whole fraternity of
the Iews dwelleth together, which is called the Ghetto. Ibid. 234
Walking in the Court of the Ghetto, I casually met with a Iewish Rabbin
that spake good Latin. 1756–7 tr. Keysler's Trav. (1760) II. 76 A
particular part of the city, noted for houses of ill-fame, was assigned
by Cosmo I. to the Jews, for their particular quarter, or ghetto.
1879 Farrar St. Paul I. 5 The crowded ghetto of a Pagan capital.
1887 Dowden Shelley II. vii. 277 An obscure quarter of Rome, hard by
the gate of the Ghetto.

2.2 transf. and fig. A quarter in a city, esp. a thickly populated slum
area, inhabited by a minority group or groups, usu. as a result of
economic or social pressures; an area, etc., occupied by an isolated
group; an isolated or segregated group, community, or area.

1892 I. Zangwill Children of Ghetto I. i. 2 The particular Ghetto
that is the dark background upon which our pictures will be cast is of
voluntary formation. 1897 Literature 27 Nov. 180/1 The
Farringdon-road collection of barrows has become the veriest Ghetto of
bookland. 1908 J. London Martin Eden (1910) xxxvi. 310 They
dismounted and plunged off to the right into the heart of the
working-class ghetto. 1909 Westm. Gaz. 20 Aug. 8/3 The people?have
grown superior to the banal excitement and cheap attractions of the
densely crowded areas. The day on which the tramways went over
Westminster Bridge recorded the unlocking of the London ghettos. 1937
Times 6 Oct. 13/7 Part of the benches [in the Warsaw Polytechnic] have
been marked for students belonging to a union almost exclusively
controlled by ‘Aryans’, and others for the Jewish students' union, while
a few seats for non-union students are left unmarked.? The establishment
of the ‘bench ghetto’ is an important precedent, unknown even in
Germany. 1957 Times Lit. Suppl. 29 Nov. 713/3 On records the Coloured
jazz musicians still played largely for their race; in life they played
for the immigrants into the Negro city ghettoes. 1961 L. Mumford City
in History xvi. 493 The suburb?was a segregated community?a sort of
green ghetto dedicated to the elite. 1961 Listener 7 Dec. 1000/3 [The
television programme] ‘Bookstand’, (November 30), capriciously shifted
to the Tuesday ghetto, had one memorable item. 1966 Ibid. 29 Sept.
454/1 The ghetto is one of two in which most of Chicago's Negroes, who
make up a quarter of the city's population, are forced to live. 1968
N.Y. Rev. Books 11 July 34/1 The ‘breakdown of the Catholic ghetto’ is a
good thing, but the breakdown of intellectual ghettos at M.I.T. and
Harvard might be, educationally, an even better thing.

3.3 attrib. and Comb.

1892 I. Zangwill Childr. Ghetto (1893) 2 The Ghetto?becomes only a
swarming-place for the poor and the ignorant.? Such people are their own
Ghetto gates. 1903 Daily Chron. 5 Aug. 5//2 What he calls the Ghetto
face and the Ghetto eye, observable enough in immigrants, cannot be
detected after a generation or two on American soil. 1908 J. London
Martin Eden (1910) xxxviii. 328 Tell them why you don't want Socialism.
Tell them what you think about them and their ghetto ethics. 1941
Koestler Scum of Earth 48 The country which was the first to introduce
yellow ghetto benches in its schools. 1949 ? Promise & Fulfilment ii.
iv. 251 The victory of the new type of Israelis grown on Palestine soil
over the obstinate fanaticism of ghetto-bred politicians. Ibid. iii.
i. 294 The same ghetto-heritage of suspicion. 1968 Guardian 24 Oct.
10/2 Those ancestors of today's ghetto-dwellers came to areas where,
unlike the South, there was no discrimination. 1969 Ibid. 17 Sept.
10/2 Catholics are not going to abandon the ghetto mentality which the
events of the past month have created unless Stormont shows some belated
signs of having the stomach for dealing with Protestant extremists.
1971 Radio Times 16 Sept. 37/5 Social workers are becoming
increasingly worried by the ‘ghetto mentality’ in the deprived areas of
our cities.

b.3.b Special Comb. ghetto blaster slang (orig. U.S.), a large portable
stereo radio (and cassette player), esp. one on which (Black) popular
music is played loudly.

[1982 N.Y. Times 30 May 46/3 He and his sextet, the Ghetto Blasters,
brought their mixture of harmonized Southern rock and rhythm-and-blues
to the Bottom Line.] 1983 Times 27 May 10/3 The growing high-street
popularity of Sony Walkmans and portable stereo cassette players
(‘*ghetto blasters’). 1983 Daily Mirror 4 June 13/1 A beat throbbing
from a ghetto-blaster—a giant, portable stereo system. 1983 Christian
Science Monitor 27 Sept. 21 Six feet tall, 16 years old, and carrying a
‘ghetto blaster’.


______________________________

Draft partial entry June 2006

? ghetto fabulous n. and adj. orig. U.S. (a) n. an ostentatious or
flamboyant lifestyle or manner of dress, associated with the hip-hop
subculture and characterized as a marker of status in economically
disadvantaged urban neighborhoods; (b) adj. of, relating to, or
exemplifying this style (variously viewed approvingly or
disapprovingly).

1996 N.Y. Times 14 Jan. xiii. 4/2 Founded by Andre Harrell, it
merged the softer approach of rhythm and blues with the hard edge of
hip-hop to create what Mr. Harrell called ‘New Jack Swing’—or, as he
describes it, ‘high Style urban black life a.k.a. *ghetto fabulous’.
1996 Billboard (Nexis) 4 May Horace is the kind of guy who can wear
a mink coat and Versace shades. His style is ghetto fabulous?. He comes
from the 'hood, but he has class. 1998 Plain Dealer (Cleveland, Ohio)
(Nexis) 21 Apr. 5 b, Blige held the crowd in the palm of her hand
through every lazy step as she sauntered across the stage in ghetto
fabulous outfits. 2001 GTA Today 12 Jan. 10/4 Avoid red fox fur (not
hip), fluffy coats (too ghetto fabulous), and anything ankle length.
2003 Boys Toys Aug. 105/3 You should also try Vana Talinn, a
mega-strong, very sweet liqueur. It's usually served with coffee over
ice or if you're ghetto fabulous, with champagne. 2004 Vanity Fair
June 60/3 [His] style is a combination of pimp, ghetto-fabulous, and
make-believe dandy.


And also:

Golden Ghetto

As opposed to a traditional 'ghetto' community that is destroyed by
poverty, the golden ghetto's problems stem from excess


Pretty weak. Ghetto still means a place where Jews or poor people
live.
The fact that a few rappers embraced the term does not change the
meaning ... unless you think "nigga" is now OK since Larry Wilmore
called the president "my nigga".



There are plenty of references that expand the meaning of ghetto beyond
what you think it means.


Point is, in normal conversation or writing, even by the "highly
educated" ... "Ghetto" has only one normally used meaning.




The original meaning or the evolved meanings? Language is fluid.


Yup, the old meaning of ghetto has been washed away.


No, it is still there, but the meanings have expanded. Language is fluid.


It is still there, but the old meaning just is not used these days in
normal communication. Maybe you should have taken some better courses.


Perhaps it isn't used among you and your fellow semi-illiterates...but
it is still used.


Semi illiterate? Just because you failed any serious science and math
courses.



No, Bilious, I did not *fail* any serious science and math courses. I
did have a rough time with a physical chem class, but I more than passed
it with a "gentleman's hook."

No tow job...
 

On Mon, 9 May 2016 13:00:15 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 5/9/16 11:43 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 9 May 2016 10:51:12 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 5/9/16 10:42 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 9 May 2016 07:22:43 -0700 (PDT),
" wrote:



I did not know Wayne was supporting Hillary.

===

The reality is that Wayne has no dog in this hunt and intensely dislikes both candidates. Of the two Hillary might well be the lesser evil but it would certainly pain me to vote for her. It would be nice to have a half way viable 3rd party alternative.

This may be the best opportunity for that in over 100 years when the
3d party got 11 times the number of EC votes as the republican. They
still lost in a landslide to Wilson.
The first world war started in his administration, pretty much over
nothing.



A government hater like you would like the resulting chaos, in which no
candidate got the required 270 EC votes and the election was tossed into
the U.S. House, where the controlling Repugnants selected a
bible-thumping teabagger.

No thanks.

Would you rather have Trump?


Than a bible-thumping teabagger? Tough q uestion.

It would have to be someone who had a significant number of votes in
the general election (in the top 5) so I am not sure which bible
thumper would be in the running.
I suppose it all comes down to whether there are any viable 3d party
candidates but it is clear the presumptive D and R candidates are
both very unpopular.

No tow job...
 

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/9/16 1:17 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/9/16 11:42 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/9/16 1:40 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/7/2016 8:31 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/7/16 8:23 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 7 May 2016 20:06:30 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:


As a liberal arts grad, I am aware of the vagaries of language, as is
the OED:

? ghetto, n.

(?g?t??)

Also 7 gheto.

[Of uncertain etym., perh. f. It. getto foundry, as the first ghetto
founded in Venice in 1516 was on the site of a foundry.]

1.1 The quarter in a city, chiefly in Italy, to which the Jews were
restricted.

1611 Coryat Crudities 230 The place where the whole fraternity of
the Iews dwelleth together, which is called the Ghetto. Ibid. 234
Walking in the Court of the Ghetto, I casually met with a Iewish Rabbin
that spake good Latin. 1756–7 tr. Keysler's Trav. (1760) II. 76 A
particular part of the city, noted for houses of ill-fame, was assigned
by Cosmo I. to the Jews, for their particular quarter, or ghetto.
1879 Farrar St. Paul I. 5 The crowded ghetto of a Pagan capital.
1887 Dowden Shelley II. vii. 277 An obscure quarter of Rome, hard by
the gate of the Ghetto.

2.2 transf. and fig. A quarter in a city, esp. a thickly populated slum
area, inhabited by a minority group or groups, usu. as a result of
economic or social pressures; an area, etc., occupied by an isolated
group; an isolated or segregated group, community, or area.

1892 I. Zangwill Children of Ghetto I. i. 2 The particular Ghetto
that is the dark background upon which our pictures will be cast is of
voluntary formation. 1897 Literature 27 Nov. 180/1 The
Farringdon-road collection of barrows has become the veriest Ghetto of
bookland. 1908 J. London Martin Eden (1910) xxxvi. 310 They
dismounted and plunged off to the right into the heart of the
working-class ghetto. 1909 Westm. Gaz. 20 Aug. 8/3 The people?have
grown superior to the banal excitement and cheap attractions of the
densely crowded areas. The day on which the tramways went over
Westminster Bridge recorded the unlocking of the London ghettos. 1937
Times 6 Oct. 13/7 Part of the benches [in the Warsaw Polytechnic] have
been marked for students belonging to a union almost exclusively
controlled by ‘Aryans’, and others for the Jewish students' union, while
a few seats for non-union students are left unmarked.? The establishment
of the ‘bench ghetto’ is an important precedent, unknown even in
Germany. 1957 Times Lit. Suppl. 29 Nov. 713/3 On records the Coloured
jazz musicians still played largely for their race; in life they played
for the immigrants into the Negro city ghettoes. 1961 L. Mumford City
in History xvi. 493 The suburb?was a segregated community?a sort of
green ghetto dedicated to the elite. 1961 Listener 7 Dec. 1000/3 [The
television programme] ‘Bookstand’, (November 30), capriciously shifted
to the Tuesday ghetto, had one memorable item. 1966 Ibid. 29 Sept.
454/1 The ghetto is one of two in which most of Chicago's Negroes, who
make up a quarter of the city's population, are forced to live. 1968
N.Y. Rev. Books 11 July 34/1 The ‘breakdown of the Catholic ghetto’ is a
good thing, but the breakdown of intellectual ghettos at M.I.T. and
Harvard might be, educationally, an even better thing.

3.3 attrib. and Comb.

1892 I. Zangwill Childr. Ghetto (1893) 2 The Ghetto?becomes only a
swarming-place for the poor and the ignorant.? Such people are their own
Ghetto gates. 1903 Daily Chron. 5 Aug. 5//2 What he calls the Ghetto
face and the Ghetto eye, observable enough in immigrants, cannot be
detected after a generation or two on American soil. 1908 J. London
Martin Eden (1910) xxxviii. 328 Tell them why you don't want Socialism.
Tell them what you think about them and their ghetto ethics. 1941
Koestler Scum of Earth 48 The country which was the first to introduce
yellow ghetto benches in its schools. 1949 ? Promise & Fulfilment ii.
iv. 251 The victory of the new type of Israelis grown on Palestine soil
over the obstinate fanaticism of ghetto-bred politicians. Ibid. iii.
i. 294 The same ghetto-heritage of suspicion. 1968 Guardian 24 Oct.
10/2 Those ancestors of today's ghetto-dwellers came to areas where,
unlike the South, there was no discrimination. 1969 Ibid. 17 Sept.
10/2 Catholics are not going to abandon the ghetto mentality which the
events of the past month have created unless Stormont shows some belated
signs of having the stomach for dealing with Protestant extremists.
1971 Radio Times 16 Sept. 37/5 Social workers are becoming
increasingly worried by the ‘ghetto mentality’ in the deprived areas of
our cities.

b.3.b Special Comb. ghetto blaster slang (orig. U.S.), a large portable
stereo radio (and cassette player), esp. one on which (Black) popular
music is played loudly.

[1982 N.Y. Times 30 May 46/3 He and his sextet, the Ghetto Blasters,
brought their mixture of harmonized Southern rock and rhythm-and-blues
to the Bottom Line.] 1983 Times 27 May 10/3 The growing high-street
popularity of Sony Walkmans and portable stereo cassette players
(‘*ghetto blasters’). 1983 Daily Mirror 4 June 13/1 A beat throbbing
from a ghetto-blaster—a giant, portable stereo system. 1983 Christian
Science Monitor 27 Sept. 21 Six feet tall, 16 years old, and carrying a
‘ghetto blaster’.


______________________________

Draft partial entry June 2006

? ghetto fabulous n. and adj. orig. U.S. (a) n. an ostentatious or
flamboyant lifestyle or manner of dress, associated with the hip-hop
subculture and characterized as a marker of status in economically
disadvantaged urban neighborhoods; (b) adj. of, relating to, or
exemplifying this style (variously viewed approvingly or
disapprovingly).

1996 N.Y. Times 14 Jan. xiii. 4/2 Founded by Andre Harrell, it
merged the softer approach of rhythm and blues with the hard edge of
hip-hop to create what Mr. Harrell called ‘New Jack Swing’—or, as he
describes it, ‘high Style urban black life a.k.a. *ghetto fabulous’.
1996 Billboard (Nexis) 4 May Horace is the kind of guy who can wear
a mink coat and Versace shades. His style is ghetto fabulous?. He comes
from the 'hood, but he has class. 1998 Plain Dealer (Cleveland, Ohio)
(Nexis) 21 Apr. 5 b, Blige held the crowd in the palm of her hand
through every lazy step as she sauntered across the stage in ghetto
fabulous outfits. 2001 GTA Today 12 Jan. 10/4 Avoid red fox fur (not
hip), fluffy coats (too ghetto fabulous), and anything ankle length.
2003 Boys Toys Aug. 105/3 You should also try Vana Talinn, a
mega-strong, very sweet liqueur. It's usually served with coffee over
ice or if you're ghetto fabulous, with champagne. 2004 Vanity Fair
June 60/3 [His] style is a combination of pimp, ghetto-fabulous, and
make-believe dandy.


And also:

Golden Ghetto

As opposed to a traditional 'ghetto' community that is destroyed by
poverty, the golden ghetto's problems stem from excess


Pretty weak. Ghetto still means a place where Jews or poor people
live.
The fact that a few rappers embraced the term does not change the
meaning ... unless you think "nigga" is now OK since Larry Wilmore
called the president "my nigga".



There are plenty of references that expand the meaning of ghetto beyond
what you think it means.


Point is, in normal conversation or writing, even by the "highly
educated" ... "Ghetto" has only one normally used meaning.




The original meaning or the evolved meanings? Language is fluid.


Yup, the old meaning of ghetto has been washed away.


No, it is still there, but the meanings have expanded. Language is fluid.


It is still there, but the old meaning just is not used these days in
normal communication. Maybe you should have taken some better courses.


Perhaps it isn't used among you and your fellow semi-illiterates...but
it is still used.


Semi illiterate? Just because you failed any serious science and math
courses.



No, Bilious, I did not *fail* any serious science and math courses. I
did have a rough time with a physical chem class, but I more than passed
it with a "gentleman's hook."


So, social promotion.

No tow job...
 

On 5/9/16 2:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/9/16 1:17 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/9/16 11:42 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/9/16 1:40 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/7/2016 8:31 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/7/16 8:23 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 7 May 2016 20:06:30 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:


As a liberal arts grad, I am aware of the vagaries of language, as is
the OED:

? ghetto, n.

(?g?t??)

Also 7 gheto.

[Of uncertain etym., perh. f. It. getto foundry, as the first ghetto
founded in Venice in 1516 was on the site of a foundry.]

1.1 The quarter in a city, chiefly in Italy, to which the Jews were
restricted.

1611 Coryat Crudities 230 The place where the whole fraternity of
the Iews dwelleth together, which is called the Ghetto. Ibid. 234
Walking in the Court of the Ghetto, I casually met with a Iewish Rabbin
that spake good Latin. 1756–7 tr. Keysler's Trav. (1760) II. 76 A
particular part of the city, noted for houses of ill-fame, was assigned
by Cosmo I. to the Jews, for their particular quarter, or ghetto.
1879 Farrar St. Paul I. 5 The crowded ghetto of a Pagan capital.
1887 Dowden Shelley II. vii. 277 An obscure quarter of Rome, hard by
the gate of the Ghetto.

2.2 transf. and fig. A quarter in a city, esp. a thickly populated slum
area, inhabited by a minority group or groups, usu. as a result of
economic or social pressures; an area, etc., occupied by an isolated
group; an isolated or segregated group, community, or area.

1892 I. Zangwill Children of Ghetto I. i. 2 The particular Ghetto
that is the dark background upon which our pictures will be cast is of
voluntary formation. 1897 Literature 27 Nov. 180/1 The
Farringdon-road collection of barrows has become the veriest Ghetto of
bookland. 1908 J. London Martin Eden (1910) xxxvi. 310 They
dismounted and plunged off to the right into the heart of the
working-class ghetto. 1909 Westm. Gaz. 20 Aug. 8/3 The people?have
grown superior to the banal excitement and cheap attractions of the
densely crowded areas. The day on which the tramways went over
Westminster Bridge recorded the unlocking of the London ghettos. 1937
Times 6 Oct. 13/7 Part of the benches [in the Warsaw Polytechnic] have
been marked for students belonging to a union almost exclusively
controlled by ‘Aryans’, and others for the Jewish students' union, while
a few seats for non-union students are left unmarked.? The establishment
of the ‘bench ghetto’ is an important precedent, unknown even in
Germany. 1957 Times Lit. Suppl. 29 Nov. 713/3 On records the Coloured
jazz musicians still played largely for their race; in life they played
for the immigrants into the Negro city ghettoes. 1961 L. Mumford City
in History xvi. 493 The suburb?was a segregated community?a sort of
green ghetto dedicated to the elite. 1961 Listener 7 Dec. 1000/3 [The
television programme] ‘Bookstand’, (November 30), capriciously shifted
to the Tuesday ghetto, had one memorable item. 1966 Ibid. 29 Sept.
454/1 The ghetto is one of two in which most of Chicago's Negroes, who
make up a quarter of the city's population, are forced to live. 1968
N.Y. Rev. Books 11 July 34/1 The ‘breakdown of the Catholic ghetto’ is a
good thing, but the breakdown of intellectual ghettos at M.I.T. and
Harvard might be, educationally, an even better thing.

3.3 attrib. and Comb.

1892 I. Zangwill Childr. Ghetto (1893) 2 The Ghetto?becomes only a
swarming-place for the poor and the ignorant.? Such people are their own
Ghetto gates. 1903 Daily Chron. 5 Aug. 5//2 What he calls the Ghetto
face and the Ghetto eye, observable enough in immigrants, cannot be
detected after a generation or two on American soil. 1908 J. London
Martin Eden (1910) xxxviii. 328 Tell them why you don't want Socialism.
Tell them what you think about them and their ghetto ethics. 1941
Koestler Scum of Earth 48 The country which was the first to introduce
yellow ghetto benches in its schools. 1949 ? Promise & Fulfilment ii.
iv. 251 The victory of the new type of Israelis grown on Palestine soil
over the obstinate fanaticism of ghetto-bred politicians. Ibid. iii.
i. 294 The same ghetto-heritage of suspicion. 1968 Guardian 24 Oct.
10/2 Those ancestors of today's ghetto-dwellers came to areas where,
unlike the South, there was no discrimination. 1969 Ibid. 17 Sept.
10/2 Catholics are not going to abandon the ghetto mentality which the
events of the past month have created unless Stormont shows some belated
signs of having the stomach for dealing with Protestant extremists.
1971 Radio Times 16 Sept. 37/5 Social workers are becoming
increasingly worried by the ‘ghetto mentality’ in the deprived areas of
our cities.

b.3.b Special Comb. ghetto blaster slang (orig. U.S.), a large portable
stereo radio (and cassette player), esp. one on which (Black) popular
music is played loudly.

[1982 N.Y. Times 30 May 46/3 He and his sextet, the Ghetto Blasters,
brought their mixture of harmonized Southern rock and rhythm-and-blues
to the Bottom Line.] 1983 Times 27 May 10/3 The growing high-street
popularity of Sony Walkmans and portable stereo cassette players
(‘*ghetto blasters’). 1983 Daily Mirror 4 June 13/1 A beat throbbing
from a ghetto-blaster—a giant, portable stereo system. 1983 Christian
Science Monitor 27 Sept. 21 Six feet tall, 16 years old, and carrying a
‘ghetto blaster’.


______________________________

Draft partial entry June 2006

? ghetto fabulous n. and adj. orig. U.S. (a) n. an ostentatious or
flamboyant lifestyle or manner of dress, associated with the hip-hop
subculture and characterized as a marker of status in economically
disadvantaged urban neighborhoods; (b) adj. of, relating to, or
exemplifying this style (variously viewed approvingly or
disapprovingly).

1996 N.Y. Times 14 Jan. xiii. 4/2 Founded by Andre Harrell, it
merged the softer approach of rhythm and blues with the hard edge of
hip-hop to create what Mr. Harrell called ‘New Jack Swing’—or, as he
describes it, ‘high Style urban black life a.k.a. *ghetto fabulous’.
1996 Billboard (Nexis) 4 May Horace is the kind of guy who can wear
a mink coat and Versace shades. His style is ghetto fabulous?. He comes
from the 'hood, but he has class. 1998 Plain Dealer (Cleveland, Ohio)
(Nexis) 21 Apr. 5 b, Blige held the crowd in the palm of her hand
through every lazy step as she sauntered across the stage in ghetto
fabulous outfits. 2001 GTA Today 12 Jan. 10/4 Avoid red fox fur (not
hip), fluffy coats (too ghetto fabulous), and anything ankle length.
2003 Boys Toys Aug. 105/3 You should also try Vana Talinn, a
mega-strong, very sweet liqueur. It's usually served with coffee over
ice or if you're ghetto fabulous, with champagne. 2004 Vanity Fair
June 60/3 [His] style is a combination of pimp, ghetto-fabulous, and
make-believe dandy.


And also:

Golden Ghetto

As opposed to a traditional 'ghetto' community that is destroyed by
poverty, the golden ghetto's problems stem from excess


Pretty weak. Ghetto still means a place where Jews or poor people
live.
The fact that a few rappers embraced the term does not change the
meaning ... unless you think "nigga" is now OK since Larry Wilmore
called the president "my nigga".



There are plenty of references that expand the meaning of ghetto beyond
what you think it means.


Point is, in normal conversation or writing, even by the "highly
educated" ... "Ghetto" has only one normally used meaning.




The original meaning or the evolved meanings? Language is fluid.


Yup, the old meaning of ghetto has been washed away.


No, it is still there, but the meanings have expanded. Language is fluid.


It is still there, but the old meaning just is not used these days in
normal communication. Maybe you should have taken some better courses.


Perhaps it isn't used among you and your fellow semi-illiterates...but
it is still used.


Semi illiterate? Just because you failed any serious science and math
courses.



No, Bilious, I did not *fail* any serious science and math courses. I
did have a rough time with a physical chem class, but I more than passed
it with a "gentleman's hook."


So, social promotion.



No, Bilious, this wasn't a case of you skating through high school. I
was graduated with a 3.92 out of 4.0 average, enough to help me get a
nice fellowship from my employer and grad school.

No tow job...
 

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/9/16 2:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/9/16 1:17 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/9/16 11:42 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/9/16 1:40 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/7/2016 8:31 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/7/16 8:23 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 7 May 2016 20:06:30 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:


As a liberal arts grad, I am aware of the vagaries of language, as is
the OED:

? ghetto, n.

(?g?t??)

Also 7 gheto.

[Of uncertain etym., perh. f. It. getto foundry, as the first ghetto
founded in Venice in 1516 was on the site of a foundry.]

1.1 The quarter in a city, chiefly in Italy, to which the Jews were
restricted.

1611 Coryat Crudities 230 The place where the whole fraternity of
the Iews dwelleth together, which is called the Ghetto. Ibid. 234
Walking in the Court of the Ghetto, I casually met with a Iewish Rabbin
that spake good Latin. 1756–7 tr. Keysler's Trav. (1760) II. 76 A
particular part of the city, noted for houses of ill-fame, was assigned
by Cosmo I. to the Jews, for their particular quarter, or ghetto.
1879 Farrar St. Paul I. 5 The crowded ghetto of a Pagan capital.
1887 Dowden Shelley II. vii. 277 An obscure quarter of Rome, hard by
the gate of the Ghetto.

2.2 transf. and fig. A quarter in a city, esp. a thickly populated slum
area, inhabited by a minority group or groups, usu. as a result of
economic or social pressures; an area, etc., occupied by an isolated
group; an isolated or segregated group, community, or area.

1892 I. Zangwill Children of Ghetto I. i. 2 The particular Ghetto
that is the dark background upon which our pictures will be cast is of
voluntary formation. 1897 Literature 27 Nov. 180/1 The
Farringdon-road collection of barrows has become the veriest Ghetto of
bookland. 1908 J. London Martin Eden (1910) xxxvi. 310 They
dismounted and plunged off to the right into the heart of the
working-class ghetto. 1909 Westm. Gaz. 20 Aug. 8/3 The people?have
grown superior to the banal excitement and cheap attractions of the
densely crowded areas. The day on which the tramways went over
Westminster Bridge recorded the unlocking of the London ghettos. 1937
Times 6 Oct. 13/7 Part of the benches [in the Warsaw Polytechnic] have
been marked for students belonging to a union almost exclusively
controlled by ‘Aryans’, and others for the Jewish students' union, while
a few seats for non-union students are left unmarked.? The establishment
of the ‘bench ghetto’ is an important precedent, unknown even in
Germany. 1957 Times Lit. Suppl. 29 Nov. 713/3 On records the Coloured
jazz musicians still played largely for their race; in life they played
for the immigrants into the Negro city ghettoes. 1961 L. Mumford City
in History xvi. 493 The suburb?was a segregated community?a sort of
green ghetto dedicated to the elite. 1961 Listener 7 Dec. 1000/3 [The
television programme] ‘Bookstand’, (November 30), capriciously shifted
to the Tuesday ghetto, had one memorable item. 1966 Ibid. 29 Sept.
454/1 The ghetto is one of two in which most of Chicago's Negroes, who
make up a quarter of the city's population, are forced to live. 1968
N.Y. Rev. Books 11 July 34/1 The ‘breakdown of the Catholic ghetto’ is a
good thing, but the breakdown of intellectual ghettos at M.I.T. and
Harvard might be, educationally, an even better thing.

3.3 attrib. and Comb.

1892 I. Zangwill Childr. Ghetto (1893) 2 The Ghetto?becomes only a
swarming-place for the poor and the ignorant.? Such people are their own
Ghetto gates. 1903 Daily Chron. 5 Aug. 5//2 What he calls the Ghetto
face and the Ghetto eye, observable enough in immigrants, cannot be
detected after a generation or two on American soil. 1908 J. London
Martin Eden (1910) xxxviii. 328 Tell them why you don't want Socialism.
Tell them what you think about them and their ghetto ethics. 1941
Koestler Scum of Earth 48 The country which was the first to introduce
yellow ghetto benches in its schools. 1949 ? Promise & Fulfilment ii.
iv. 251 The victory of the new type of Israelis grown on Palestine soil
over the obstinate fanaticism of ghetto-bred politicians. Ibid. iii.
i. 294 The same ghetto-heritage of suspicion. 1968 Guardian 24 Oct.
10/2 Those ancestors of today's ghetto-dwellers came to areas where,
unlike the South, there was no discrimination. 1969 Ibid. 17 Sept.
10/2 Catholics are not going to abandon the ghetto mentality which the
events of the past month have created unless Stormont shows some belated
signs of having the stomach for dealing with Protestant extremists.
1971 Radio Times 16 Sept. 37/5 Social workers are becoming
increasingly worried by the ‘ghetto mentality’ in the deprived areas of
our cities.

b.3.b Special Comb. ghetto blaster slang (orig. U.S.), a large portable
stereo radio (and cassette player), esp. one on which (Black) popular
music is played loudly.

[1982 N.Y. Times 30 May 46/3 He and his sextet, the Ghetto Blasters,
brought their mixture of harmonized Southern rock and rhythm-and-blues
to the Bottom Line.] 1983 Times 27 May 10/3 The growing high-street
popularity of Sony Walkmans and portable stereo cassette players
(‘*ghetto blasters’). 1983 Daily Mirror 4 June 13/1 A beat throbbing
from a ghetto-blaster—a giant, portable stereo system. 1983 Christian
Science Monitor 27 Sept. 21 Six feet tall, 16 years old, and carrying a
‘ghetto blaster’.


______________________________

Draft partial entry June 2006

? ghetto fabulous n. and adj. orig. U.S. (a) n. an ostentatious or
flamboyant lifestyle or manner of dress, associated with the hip-hop
subculture and characterized as a marker of status in economically
disadvantaged urban neighborhoods; (b) adj. of, relating to, or
exemplifying this style (variously viewed approvingly or
disapprovingly).

1996 N.Y. Times 14 Jan. xiii. 4/2 Founded by Andre Harrell, it
merged the softer approach of rhythm and blues with the hard edge of
hip-hop to create what Mr. Harrell called ‘New Jack Swing’—or, as he
describes it, ‘high Style urban black life a.k.a. *ghetto fabulous’.
1996 Billboard (Nexis) 4 May Horace is the kind of guy who can wear
a mink coat and Versace shades. His style is ghetto fabulous?. He comes
from the 'hood, but he has class. 1998 Plain Dealer (Cleveland, Ohio)
(Nexis) 21 Apr. 5 b, Blige held the crowd in the palm of her hand
through every lazy step as she sauntered across the stage in ghetto
fabulous outfits. 2001 GTA Today 12 Jan. 10/4 Avoid red fox fur (not
hip), fluffy coats (too ghetto fabulous), and anything ankle length.
2003 Boys Toys Aug. 105/3 You should also try Vana Talinn, a
mega-strong, very sweet liqueur. It's usually served with coffee over
ice or if you're ghetto fabulous, with champagne. 2004 Vanity Fair
June 60/3 [His] style is a combination of pimp, ghetto-fabulous, and
make-believe dandy.


And also:

Golden Ghetto

As opposed to a traditional 'ghetto' community that is destroyed by
poverty, the golden ghetto's problems stem from excess


Pretty weak. Ghetto still means a place where Jews or poor people
live.
The fact that a few rappers embraced the term does not change the
meaning ... unless you think "nigga" is now OK since Larry Wilmore
called the president "my nigga".



There are plenty of references that expand the meaning of ghetto beyond
what you think it means.


Point is, in normal conversation or writing, even by the "highly
educated" ... "Ghetto" has only one normally used meaning.




The original meaning or the evolved meanings? Language is fluid.


Yup, the old meaning of ghetto has been washed away.


No, it is still there, but the meanings have expanded. Language is fluid.


It is still there, but the old meaning just is not used these days in
normal communication. Maybe you should have taken some better courses.


Perhaps it isn't used among you and your fellow semi-illiterates...but
it is still used.


Semi illiterate? Just because you failed any serious science and math
courses.



No, Bilious, I did not *fail* any serious science and math courses. I
did have a rough time with a physical chem class, but I more than passed
it with a "gentleman's hook."


So, social promotion.



No, Bilious, this wasn't a case of you skating through high school. I
was graduated with a 3.92 out of 4.0 average, enough to help me get a
nice fellowship from my employer and grad school.


I skated through high school on a 150 IQ. Was an alternate for West Point
on competitive exams by local congressman. Have a degree in engineering.
Can write reports. Made enough money to retire before 60. Never declared
Bankruptcy, let alone twice. Maybe you should have gone to a better
university, or at,least studied something besides liberal arts basket
weaving.

No tow job...
 

On 5/9/16 8:40 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/9/16 2:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/9/16 1:17 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/9/16 11:42 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/9/16 1:40 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/7/2016 8:31 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/7/16 8:23 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 7 May 2016 20:06:30 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:


As a liberal arts grad, I am aware of the vagaries of language, as is
the OED:

? ghetto, n.

(?g?t??)

Also 7 gheto.

[Of uncertain etym., perh. f. It. getto foundry, as the first ghetto
founded in Venice in 1516 was on the site of a foundry.]

1.1 The quarter in a city, chiefly in Italy, to which the Jews were
restricted.

1611 Coryat Crudities 230 The place where the whole fraternity of
the Iews dwelleth together, which is called the Ghetto. Ibid. 234
Walking in the Court of the Ghetto, I casually met with a Iewish Rabbin
that spake good Latin. 1756–7 tr. Keysler's Trav. (1760) II. 76 A
particular part of the city, noted for houses of ill-fame, was assigned
by Cosmo I. to the Jews, for their particular quarter, or ghetto.
1879 Farrar St. Paul I. 5 The crowded ghetto of a Pagan capital.
1887 Dowden Shelley II. vii. 277 An obscure quarter of Rome, hard by
the gate of the Ghetto.

2.2 transf. and fig. A quarter in a city, esp. a thickly populated slum
area, inhabited by a minority group or groups, usu. as a result of
economic or social pressures; an area, etc., occupied by an isolated
group; an isolated or segregated group, community, or area.

1892 I. Zangwill Children of Ghetto I. i. 2 The particular Ghetto
that is the dark background upon which our pictures will be cast is of
voluntary formation. 1897 Literature 27 Nov. 180/1 The
Farringdon-road collection of barrows has become the veriest Ghetto of
bookland. 1908 J. London Martin Eden (1910) xxxvi. 310 They
dismounted and plunged off to the right into the heart of the
working-class ghetto. 1909 Westm. Gaz. 20 Aug. 8/3 The people?have
grown superior to the banal excitement and cheap attractions of the
densely crowded areas. The day on which the tramways went over
Westminster Bridge recorded the unlocking of the London ghettos. 1937
Times 6 Oct. 13/7 Part of the benches [in the Warsaw Polytechnic] have
been marked for students belonging to a union almost exclusively
controlled by ‘Aryans’, and others for the Jewish students' union, while
a few seats for non-union students are left unmarked.? The establishment
of the ‘bench ghetto’ is an important precedent, unknown even in
Germany. 1957 Times Lit. Suppl. 29 Nov. 713/3 On records the Coloured
jazz musicians still played largely for their race; in life they played
for the immigrants into the Negro city ghettoes. 1961 L. Mumford City
in History xvi. 493 The suburb?was a segregated community?a sort of
green ghetto dedicated to the elite. 1961 Listener 7 Dec. 1000/3 [The
television programme] ‘Bookstand’, (November 30), capriciously shifted
to the Tuesday ghetto, had one memorable item. 1966 Ibid. 29 Sept.
454/1 The ghetto is one of two in which most of Chicago's Negroes, who
make up a quarter of the city's population, are forced to live. 1968
N.Y. Rev. Books 11 July 34/1 The ‘breakdown of the Catholic ghetto’ is a
good thing, but the breakdown of intellectual ghettos at M.I.T. and
Harvard might be, educationally, an even better thing.

3.3 attrib. and Comb.

1892 I. Zangwill Childr. Ghetto (1893) 2 The Ghetto?becomes only a
swarming-place for the poor and the ignorant.? Such people are their own
Ghetto gates. 1903 Daily Chron. 5 Aug. 5//2 What he calls the Ghetto
face and the Ghetto eye, observable enough in immigrants, cannot be
detected after a generation or two on American soil. 1908 J. London
Martin Eden (1910) xxxviii. 328 Tell them why you don't want Socialism.
Tell them what you think about them and their ghetto ethics. 1941
Koestler Scum of Earth 48 The country which was the first to introduce
yellow ghetto benches in its schools. 1949 ? Promise & Fulfilment ii.
iv. 251 The victory of the new type of Israelis grown on Palestine soil
over the obstinate fanaticism of ghetto-bred politicians. Ibid. iii.
i. 294 The same ghetto-heritage of suspicion. 1968 Guardian 24 Oct.
10/2 Those ancestors of today's ghetto-dwellers came to areas where,
unlike the South, there was no discrimination. 1969 Ibid. 17 Sept.
10/2 Catholics are not going to abandon the ghetto mentality which the
events of the past month have created unless Stormont shows some belated
signs of having the stomach for dealing with Protestant extremists.
1971 Radio Times 16 Sept. 37/5 Social workers are becoming
increasingly worried by the ‘ghetto mentality’ in the deprived areas of
our cities.

b.3.b Special Comb. ghetto blaster slang (orig. U.S.), a large portable
stereo radio (and cassette player), esp. one on which (Black) popular
music is played loudly.

[1982 N.Y. Times 30 May 46/3 He and his sextet, the Ghetto Blasters,
brought their mixture of harmonized Southern rock and rhythm-and-blues
to the Bottom Line.] 1983 Times 27 May 10/3 The growing high-street
popularity of Sony Walkmans and portable stereo cassette players
(‘*ghetto blasters’). 1983 Daily Mirror 4 June 13/1 A beat throbbing
from a ghetto-blaster—a giant, portable stereo system. 1983 Christian
Science Monitor 27 Sept. 21 Six feet tall, 16 years old, and carrying a
‘ghetto blaster’.


______________________________

Draft partial entry June 2006

? ghetto fabulous n. and adj. orig. U.S. (a) n. an ostentatious or
flamboyant lifestyle or manner of dress, associated with the hip-hop
subculture and characterized as a marker of status in economically
disadvantaged urban neighborhoods; (b) adj. of, relating to, or
exemplifying this style (variously viewed approvingly or
disapprovingly).

1996 N.Y. Times 14 Jan. xiii. 4/2 Founded by Andre Harrell, it
merged the softer approach of rhythm and blues with the hard edge of
hip-hop to create what Mr. Harrell called ‘New Jack Swing’—or, as he
describes it, ‘high Style urban black life a.k.a. *ghetto fabulous’.
1996 Billboard (Nexis) 4 May Horace is the kind of guy who can wear
a mink coat and Versace shades. His style is ghetto fabulous?. He comes
from the 'hood, but he has class. 1998 Plain Dealer (Cleveland, Ohio)
(Nexis) 21 Apr. 5 b, Blige held the crowd in the palm of her hand
through every lazy step as she sauntered across the stage in ghetto
fabulous outfits. 2001 GTA Today 12 Jan. 10/4 Avoid red fox fur (not
hip), fluffy coats (too ghetto fabulous), and anything ankle length.
2003 Boys Toys Aug. 105/3 You should also try Vana Talinn, a
mega-strong, very sweet liqueur. It's usually served with coffee over
ice or if you're ghetto fabulous, with champagne. 2004 Vanity Fair
June 60/3 [His] style is a combination of pimp, ghetto-fabulous, and
make-believe dandy.


And also:

Golden Ghetto

As opposed to a traditional 'ghetto' community that is destroyed by
poverty, the golden ghetto's problems stem from excess


Pretty weak. Ghetto still means a place where Jews or poor people
live.
The fact that a few rappers embraced the term does not change the
meaning ... unless you think "nigga" is now OK since Larry Wilmore
called the president "my nigga".



There are plenty of references that expand the meaning of ghetto beyond
what you think it means.


Point is, in normal conversation or writing, even by the "highly
educated" ... "Ghetto" has only one normally used meaning.




The original meaning or the evolved meanings? Language is fluid.


Yup, the old meaning of ghetto has been washed away.


No, it is still there, but the meanings have expanded. Language is fluid.


It is still there, but the old meaning just is not used these days in
normal communication. Maybe you should have taken some better courses.


Perhaps it isn't used among you and your fellow semi-illiterates...but
it is still used.


Semi illiterate? Just because you failed any serious science and math
courses.



No, Bilious, I did not *fail* any serious science and math courses. I
did have a rough time with a physical chem class, but I more than passed
it with a "gentleman's hook."


So, social promotion.



No, Bilious, this wasn't a case of you skating through high school. I
was graduated with a 3.92 out of 4.0 average, enough to help me get a
nice fellowship from my employer and grad school.


I skated through high school on a 150 IQ. Was an alternate for West Point
on competitive exams by local congressman. Have a degree in engineering.
Can write reports. Made enough money to retire before 60. Never declared
Bankruptcy, let alone twice. Maybe you should have gone to a better
university, or at,least studied something besides liberal arts basket
weaving.


Sure, Bilious...your "IQ" is readily apparent.

No tow job...
 

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/9/16 8:40 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/9/16 2:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/9/16 1:17 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/9/16 11:42 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/9/16 1:40 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/7/2016 8:31 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/7/16 8:23 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 7 May 2016 20:06:30 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:


As a liberal arts grad, I am aware of the vagaries of language, as is
the OED:

? ghetto, n.

(?g?t??)

Also 7 gheto.

[Of uncertain etym., perh. f. It. getto foundry, as the first ghetto
founded in Venice in 1516 was on the site of a foundry.]

1.1 The quarter in a city, chiefly in Italy, to which the Jews were
restricted.

1611 Coryat Crudities 230 The place where the whole fraternity of
the Iews dwelleth together, which is called the Ghetto. Ibid. 234
Walking in the Court of the Ghetto, I casually met with a Iewish Rabbin
that spake good Latin. 1756–7 tr. Keysler's Trav. (1760) II. 76 A
particular part of the city, noted for houses of ill-fame, was assigned
by Cosmo I. to the Jews, for their particular quarter, or ghetto.
1879 Farrar St. Paul I. 5 The crowded ghetto of a Pagan capital.
1887 Dowden Shelley II. vii. 277 An obscure quarter of Rome, hard by
the gate of the Ghetto.

2.2 transf. and fig. A quarter in a city, esp. a thickly populated slum
area, inhabited by a minority group or groups, usu. as a result of
economic or social pressures; an area, etc., occupied by an isolated
group; an isolated or segregated group, community, or area.

1892 I. Zangwill Children of Ghetto I. i. 2 The particular Ghetto
that is the dark background upon which our pictures will be cast is of
voluntary formation. 1897 Literature 27 Nov. 180/1 The
Farringdon-road collection of barrows has become the veriest Ghetto of
bookland. 1908 J. London Martin Eden (1910) xxxvi. 310 They
dismounted and plunged off to the right into the heart of the
working-class ghetto. 1909 Westm. Gaz. 20 Aug. 8/3 The people?have
grown superior to the banal excitement and cheap attractions of the
densely crowded areas. The day on which the tramways went over
Westminster Bridge recorded the unlocking of the London ghettos. 1937
Times 6 Oct. 13/7 Part of the benches [in the Warsaw Polytechnic] have
been marked for students belonging to a union almost exclusively
controlled by ‘Aryans’, and others for the Jewish students' union, while
a few seats for non-union students are left unmarked.? The establishment
of the ‘bench ghetto’ is an important precedent, unknown even in
Germany. 1957 Times Lit. Suppl. 29 Nov. 713/3 On records the Coloured
jazz musicians still played largely for their race; in life they played
for the immigrants into the Negro city ghettoes. 1961 L. Mumford City
in History xvi. 493 The suburb?was a segregated community?a sort of
green ghetto dedicated to the elite. 1961 Listener 7 Dec. 1000/3 [The
television programme] ‘Bookstand’, (November 30), capriciously shifted
to the Tuesday ghetto, had one memorable item. 1966 Ibid. 29 Sept.
454/1 The ghetto is one of two in which most of Chicago's Negroes, who
make up a quarter of the city's population, are forced to live. 1968
N.Y. Rev. Books 11 July 34/1 The ‘breakdown of the Catholic ghetto’ is a
good thing, but the breakdown of intellectual ghettos at M.I.T. and
Harvard might be, educationally, an even better thing.

3.3 attrib. and Comb.

1892 I. Zangwill Childr. Ghetto (1893) 2 The Ghetto?becomes only a
swarming-place for the poor and the ignorant.? Such people are their own
Ghetto gates. 1903 Daily Chron. 5 Aug. 5//2 What he calls the Ghetto
face and the Ghetto eye, observable enough in immigrants, cannot be
detected after a generation or two on American soil. 1908 J. London
Martin Eden (1910) xxxviii. 328 Tell them why you don't want Socialism.
Tell them what you think about them and their ghetto ethics. 1941
Koestler Scum of Earth 48 The country which was the first to introduce
yellow ghetto benches in its schools. 1949 ? Promise & Fulfilment ii.
iv. 251 The victory of the new type of Israelis grown on Palestine soil
over the obstinate fanaticism of ghetto-bred politicians. Ibid. iii.
i. 294 The same ghetto-heritage of suspicion. 1968 Guardian 24 Oct.
10/2 Those ancestors of today's ghetto-dwellers came to areas where,
unlike the South, there was no discrimination. 1969 Ibid. 17 Sept.
10/2 Catholics are not going to abandon the ghetto mentality which the
events of the past month have created unless Stormont shows some belated
signs of having the stomach for dealing with Protestant extremists.
1971 Radio Times 16 Sept. 37/5 Social workers are becoming
increasingly worried by the ‘ghetto mentality’ in the deprived areas of
our cities.

b.3.b Special Comb. ghetto blaster slang (orig. U.S.), a large portable
stereo radio (and cassette player), esp. one on which (Black) popular
music is played loudly.

[1982 N.Y. Times 30 May 46/3 He and his sextet, the Ghetto Blasters,
brought their mixture of harmonized Southern rock and rhythm-and-blues
to the Bottom Line.] 1983 Times 27 May 10/3 The growing high-street
popularity of Sony Walkmans and portable stereo cassette players
(‘*ghetto blasters’). 1983 Daily Mirror 4 June 13/1 A beat throbbing
from a ghetto-blaster—a giant, portable stereo system. 1983 Christian
Science Monitor 27 Sept. 21 Six feet tall, 16 years old, and carrying a
‘ghetto blaster’.


______________________________

Draft partial entry June 2006

? ghetto fabulous n. and adj. orig. U.S. (a) n. an ostentatious or
flamboyant lifestyle or manner of dress, associated with the hip-hop
subculture and characterized as a marker of status in economically
disadvantaged urban neighborhoods; (b) adj. of, relating to, or
exemplifying this style (variously viewed approvingly or
disapprovingly).

1996 N.Y. Times 14 Jan. xiii. 4/2 Founded by Andre Harrell, it
merged the softer approach of rhythm and blues with the hard edge of
hip-hop to create what Mr. Harrell called ‘New Jack Swing’—or, as he
describes it, ‘high Style urban black life a.k.a. *ghetto fabulous’.
1996 Billboard (Nexis) 4 May Horace is the kind of guy who can wear
a mink coat and Versace shades. His style is ghetto fabulous?. He comes
from the 'hood, but he has class. 1998 Plain Dealer (Cleveland, Ohio)
(Nexis) 21 Apr. 5 b, Blige held the crowd in the palm of her hand
through every lazy step as she sauntered across the stage in ghetto
fabulous outfits. 2001 GTA Today 12 Jan. 10/4 Avoid red fox fur (not
hip), fluffy coats (too ghetto fabulous), and anything ankle length.
2003 Boys Toys Aug. 105/3 You should also try Vana Talinn, a
mega-strong, very sweet liqueur. It's usually served with coffee over
ice or if you're ghetto fabulous, with champagne. 2004 Vanity Fair
June 60/3 [His] style is a combination of pimp, ghetto-fabulous, and
make-believe dandy.


And also:

Golden Ghetto

As opposed to a traditional 'ghetto' community that is destroyed by
poverty, the golden ghetto's problems stem from excess


Pretty weak. Ghetto still means a place where Jews or poor people
live.
The fact that a few rappers embraced the term does not change the
meaning ... unless you think "nigga" is now OK since Larry Wilmore
called the president "my nigga".



There are plenty of references that expand the meaning of ghetto beyond
what you think it means.


Point is, in normal conversation or writing, even by the "highly
educated" ... "Ghetto" has only one normally used meaning.




The original meaning or the evolved meanings? Language is fluid.


Yup, the old meaning of ghetto has been washed away.


No, it is still there, but the meanings have expanded. Language is fluid.


It is still there, but the old meaning just is not used these days in
normal communication. Maybe you should have taken some better courses.


Perhaps it isn't used among you and your fellow semi-illiterates...but
it is still used.


Semi illiterate? Just because you failed any serious science and math
courses.



No, Bilious, I did not *fail* any serious science and math courses. I
did have a rough time with a physical chem class, but I more than passed
it with a "gentleman's hook."


So, social promotion.



No, Bilious, this wasn't a case of you skating through high school. I
was graduated with a 3.92 out of 4.0 average, enough to help me get a
nice fellowship from my employer and grad school.


I skated through high school on a 150 IQ. Was an alternate for West Point
on competitive exams by local congressman. Have a degree in engineering.
Can write reports. Made enough money to retire before 60. Never declared
Bankruptcy, let alone twice. Maybe you should have gone to a better
university, or at,least studied something besides liberal arts basket
weaving.


Sure, Bilious...your "IQ" is readily apparent.


Thank you for the compliment.

No tow job...
 

On 5/9/2016 4:51 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:



So, social promotion.



No, Bilious, this wasn't a case of you skating through high school. I
was graduated with a 3.92 out of 4.0 average, enough to help me get a
nice fellowship from my employer and grad school.

From an obscure Kansas school who specializes in teaching English to
the uninitiated. What an accomplishment.

No tow job...
 

On 5/9/2016 8:40 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/9/16 2:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/9/16 1:17 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/9/16 11:42 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/9/16 1:40 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/7/2016 8:31 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/7/16 8:23 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 7 May 2016 20:06:30 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:


As a liberal arts grad, I am aware of the vagaries of language, as is
the OED:

? ghetto, n.

(?g?t??)

Also 7 gheto.

[Of uncertain etym., perh. f. It. getto foundry, as the first ghetto
founded in Venice in 1516 was on the site of a foundry.]

1.1 The quarter in a city, chiefly in Italy, to which the Jews were
restricted.

1611 Coryat Crudities 230 The place where the whole fraternity of
the Iews dwelleth together, which is called the Ghetto. Ibid. 234
Walking in the Court of the Ghetto, I casually met with a Iewish Rabbin
that spake good Latin. 1756–7 tr. Keysler's Trav. (1760) II. 76 A
particular part of the city, noted for houses of ill-fame, was assigned
by Cosmo I. to the Jews, for their particular quarter, or ghetto.
1879 Farrar St. Paul I. 5 The crowded ghetto of a Pagan capital.
1887 Dowden Shelley II. vii. 277 An obscure quarter of Rome, hard by
the gate of the Ghetto.

2.2 transf. and fig. A quarter in a city, esp. a thickly populated slum
area, inhabited by a minority group or groups, usu. as a result of
economic or social pressures; an area, etc., occupied by an isolated
group; an isolated or segregated group, community, or area.

1892 I. Zangwill Children of Ghetto I. i. 2 The particular Ghetto
that is the dark background upon which our pictures will be cast is of
voluntary formation. 1897 Literature 27 Nov. 180/1 The
Farringdon-road collection of barrows has become the veriest Ghetto of
bookland. 1908 J. London Martin Eden (1910) xxxvi. 310 They
dismounted and plunged off to the right into the heart of the
working-class ghetto. 1909 Westm. Gaz. 20 Aug. 8/3 The people?have
grown superior to the banal excitement and cheap attractions of the
densely crowded areas. The day on which the tramways went over
Westminster Bridge recorded the unlocking of the London ghettos. 1937
Times 6 Oct. 13/7 Part of the benches [in the Warsaw Polytechnic] have
been marked for students belonging to a union almost exclusively
controlled by ‘Aryans’, and others for the Jewish students' union, while
a few seats for non-union students are left unmarked.? The establishment
of the ‘bench ghetto’ is an important precedent, unknown even in
Germany. 1957 Times Lit. Suppl. 29 Nov. 713/3 On records the Coloured
jazz musicians still played largely for their race; in life they played
for the immigrants into the Negro city ghettoes. 1961 L. Mumford City
in History xvi. 493 The suburb?was a segregated community?a sort of
green ghetto dedicated to the elite. 1961 Listener 7 Dec. 1000/3 [The
television programme] ‘Bookstand’, (November 30), capriciously shifted
to the Tuesday ghetto, had one memorable item. 1966 Ibid. 29 Sept.
454/1 The ghetto is one of two in which most of Chicago's Negroes, who
make up a quarter of the city's population, are forced to live. 1968
N.Y. Rev. Books 11 July 34/1 The ‘breakdown of the Catholic ghetto’ is a
good thing, but the breakdown of intellectual ghettos at M.I.T. and
Harvard might be, educationally, an even better thing.

3.3 attrib. and Comb.

1892 I. Zangwill Childr. Ghetto (1893) 2 The Ghetto?becomes only a
swarming-place for the poor and the ignorant.? Such people are their own
Ghetto gates. 1903 Daily Chron. 5 Aug. 5//2 What he calls the Ghetto
face and the Ghetto eye, observable enough in immigrants, cannot be
detected after a generation or two on American soil. 1908 J. London
Martin Eden (1910) xxxviii. 328 Tell them why you don't want Socialism.
Tell them what you think about them and their ghetto ethics. 1941
Koestler Scum of Earth 48 The country which was the first to introduce
yellow ghetto benches in its schools. 1949 ? Promise & Fulfilment ii.
iv. 251 The victory of the new type of Israelis grown on Palestine soil
over the obstinate fanaticism of ghetto-bred politicians. Ibid. iii.
i. 294 The same ghetto-heritage of suspicion. 1968 Guardian 24 Oct.
10/2 Those ancestors of today's ghetto-dwellers came to areas where,
unlike the South, there was no discrimination. 1969 Ibid. 17 Sept.
10/2 Catholics are not going to abandon the ghetto mentality which the
events of the past month have created unless Stormont shows some belated
signs of having the stomach for dealing with Protestant extremists.
1971 Radio Times 16 Sept. 37/5 Social workers are becoming
increasingly worried by the ‘ghetto mentality’ in the deprived areas of
our cities.

b.3.b Special Comb. ghetto blaster slang (orig. U.S.), a large portable
stereo radio (and cassette player), esp. one on which (Black) popular
music is played loudly.

[1982 N.Y. Times 30 May 46/3 He and his sextet, the Ghetto Blasters,
brought their mixture of harmonized Southern rock and rhythm-and-blues
to the Bottom Line.] 1983 Times 27 May 10/3 The growing high-street
popularity of Sony Walkmans and portable stereo cassette players
(‘*ghetto blasters’). 1983 Daily Mirror 4 June 13/1 A beat throbbing
from a ghetto-blaster—a giant, portable stereo system. 1983 Christian
Science Monitor 27 Sept. 21 Six feet tall, 16 years old, and carrying a
‘ghetto blaster’.


______________________________

Draft partial entry June 2006

? ghetto fabulous n. and adj. orig. U.S. (a) n. an ostentatious or
flamboyant lifestyle or manner of dress, associated with the hip-hop
subculture and characterized as a marker of status in economically
disadvantaged urban neighborhoods; (b) adj. of, relating to, or
exemplifying this style (variously viewed approvingly or
disapprovingly).

1996 N.Y. Times 14 Jan. xiii. 4/2 Founded by Andre Harrell, it
merged the softer approach of rhythm and blues with the hard edge of
hip-hop to create what Mr. Harrell called ‘New Jack Swing’—or, as he
describes it, ‘high Style urban black life a.k.a. *ghetto fabulous’.
1996 Billboard (Nexis) 4 May Horace is the kind of guy who can wear
a mink coat and Versace shades. His style is ghetto fabulous?. He comes
from the 'hood, but he has class. 1998 Plain Dealer (Cleveland, Ohio)
(Nexis) 21 Apr. 5 b, Blige held the crowd in the palm of her hand
through every lazy step as she sauntered across the stage in ghetto
fabulous outfits. 2001 GTA Today 12 Jan. 10/4 Avoid red fox fur (not
hip), fluffy coats (too ghetto fabulous), and anything ankle length.
2003 Boys Toys Aug. 105/3 You should also try Vana Talinn, a
mega-strong, very sweet liqueur. It's usually served with coffee over
ice or if you're ghetto fabulous, with champagne. 2004 Vanity Fair
June 60/3 [His] style is a combination of pimp, ghetto-fabulous, and
make-believe dandy.


And also:

Golden Ghetto

As opposed to a traditional 'ghetto' community that is destroyed by
poverty, the golden ghetto's problems stem from excess


Pretty weak. Ghetto still means a place where Jews or poor people
live.
The fact that a few rappers embraced the term does not change the
meaning ... unless you think "nigga" is now OK since Larry Wilmore
called the president "my nigga".



There are plenty of references that expand the meaning of ghetto beyond
what you think it means.


Point is, in normal conversation or writing, even by the "highly
educated" ... "Ghetto" has only one normally used meaning.




The original meaning or the evolved meanings? Language is fluid.


Yup, the old meaning of ghetto has been washed away.


No, it is still there, but the meanings have expanded. Language is fluid.


It is still there, but the old meaning just is not used these days in
normal communication. Maybe you should have taken some better courses.


Perhaps it isn't used among you and your fellow semi-illiterates...but
it is still used.


Semi illiterate? Just because you failed any serious science and math
courses.



No, Bilious, I did not *fail* any serious science and math courses. I
did have a rough time with a physical chem class, but I more than passed
it with a "gentleman's hook."


So, social promotion.



No, Bilious, this wasn't a case of you skating through high school. I
was graduated with a 3.92 out of 4.0 average, enough to help me get a
nice fellowship from my employer and grad school.


I skated through high school on a 150 IQ. Was an alternate for West Point
on competitive exams by local congressman. Have a degree in engineering.
Can write reports. Made enough money to retire before 60. Never declared
Bankruptcy, let alone twice. Maybe you should have gone to a better
university, or at,least studied something besides liberal arts basket
weaving.


That's impressive. I wonder if Krause broke through the double digit
barrier. I wouldn't bet on it.

No tow job...
 

On Fri, 6 May 2016 11:22:42 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 5/6/16 11:04 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/6/2016 10:56 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/6/16 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 6 May 2016 09:35:37 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

Ken Shupe responded to a woman who was stranded on an interstate in
North Carolina on Monday. Shupe is a tow truck driver; the woman had
been involved in a wreck, according to reports.

But when Shupe arrived, he noticed something about the woman’s car —
specifically, he noticed that the woman was a supporter of Democratic
presidential candidate Bernie Sanders, according to Fox Carolina.

“Every business dealing in recent history that I’ve had with a
socialist-minded person, I haven’t got paid,” Shupe told the station.

He added: “Every time I’ve dealt with these people in recent history, I
get ‘Berned.’

“With an ‘e,’ not a ‘u.’ ”

So Shupe refused to tow her.

“He said ‘I can’t tow you, you’re a Bernie supporter,’ ” the woman,
Cassandra McWade, told The Post on Thursday. “And I was like, ‘Wait,
are
you serious?’ ”

He was.

Fox Carolina reported: “When he saw ‘a bunch of Bernie Sanders
stuff’ he
said he told the woman, ‘very politely,’ ” that he could not “tow her
car because she was ‘obviously a socialist’ and advised her to ‘call
the
government’ for a tow.”

Attempts to reach Shupe by The Washington Post were unsuccessful
Thursday morning.

McWade — who said she had a Sanders yard sign visible in her car, as
well as a bumper sticker — said she was “totally in shock” as she
watched Shupe pull away.

“I was completely flabbergasted,” she said.
“Something came over me, I think the Lord came to me, and he just said
get in the truck and leave,” Shupe told an ABC affiliate. “And when I
got in my truck, you know, I was so proud, because I felt like I
finally
drew a line in the sand and stood up for what I believed.”

According to Fox Carolina, Shupe identified himself as a conservative
Christian who supports Donald Trump. McWade, however, told The Post
that
she felt he didn’t “exactly exemplify his belief.”

“You don't have to agree on anything just to be kind to one another,”
she said.

- - -

Ahh, a "conservative Christian," following the edicts of Jesus, no
doubt.

If it was a democrat refusing to tow a car with a Cruz sticker you
would be telling us how they were standing up for freedom.


I don't think that would happen, actually. It's the Christian
Conservatives who seem to comprise the majority of those who are
discriminating in this country against members of groups they don't like.


I don't know about that. Saw a report about which "side" has
interrupted political rallies and town halls during the primary
campaigns. Records show the left interrupts and/or hold protests at
Republican candidate gatherings far more than the right does to the
Democratic candidates.

Report came from MSNBC ... a liberal leaning media outlet.




Political protest is as 'Merican as apple pie. It is the Conservative
Christians who are refusing tow truck service, who are refusing to issue
marriage licenses, who are refusing to bake cakes, supply flowers, who
are discriminating.

Absolute horse****.
--

Ban Krausescheiße-spouting narcissists...not guns!

No tow job...
 

On 5/10/16 4:39 PM, Keine Krauseschei�e wrote:


Absolute horse****.
--

Perfect descriptor for you, Asswipe Johnny.

No tow job...
 

On Mon, 9 May 2016 06:30:25 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 5/9/16 1:40 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/7/2016 8:31 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/7/16 8:23 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 7 May 2016 20:06:30 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:


As a liberal arts grad, I am aware of the vagaries of language, as is
the OED:

? ghetto, n.

(?g?t??)

Also 7 gheto.

[Of uncertain etym., perh. f. It. getto foundry, as the first ghetto
founded in Venice in 1516 was on the site of a foundry.]

1.1 The quarter in a city, chiefly in Italy, to which the Jews were
restricted.

1611 Coryat Crudities 230 The place where the whole fraternity of
the Iews dwelleth together, which is called the Ghetto. Ibid. 234
Walking in the Court of the Ghetto, I casually met with a Iewish Rabbin
that spake good Latin. 1756–7 tr. Keysler's Trav. (1760) II. 76 A
particular part of the city, noted for houses of ill-fame, was assigned
by Cosmo I. to the Jews, for their particular quarter, or ghetto.
1879 Farrar St. Paul I. 5 The crowded ghetto of a Pagan capital.
1887 Dowden Shelley II. vii. 277 An obscure quarter of Rome, hard by
the gate of the Ghetto.

2.2 transf. and fig. A quarter in a city, esp. a thickly populated slum
area, inhabited by a minority group or groups, usu. as a result of
economic or social pressures; an area, etc., occupied by an isolated
group; an isolated or segregated group, community, or area.

1892 I. Zangwill Children of Ghetto I. i. 2 The particular Ghetto
that is the dark background upon which our pictures will be cast is of
voluntary formation. 1897 Literature 27 Nov. 180/1 The
Farringdon-road collection of barrows has become the veriest Ghetto of
bookland. 1908 J. London Martin Eden (1910) xxxvi. 310 They
dismounted and plunged off to the right into the heart of the
working-class ghetto. 1909 Westm. Gaz. 20 Aug. 8/3 The people?have
grown superior to the banal excitement and cheap attractions of the
densely crowded areas. The day on which the tramways went over
Westminster Bridge recorded the unlocking of the London ghettos. 1937
Times 6 Oct. 13/7 Part of the benches [in the Warsaw Polytechnic] have
been marked for students belonging to a union almost exclusively
controlled by ‘Aryans’, and others for the Jewish students' union, while
a few seats for non-union students are left unmarked.? The establishment
of the ‘bench ghetto’ is an important precedent, unknown even in
Germany. 1957 Times Lit. Suppl. 29 Nov. 713/3 On records the Coloured
jazz musicians still played largely for their race; in life they played
for the immigrants into the Negro city ghettoes. 1961 L. Mumford City
in History xvi. 493 The suburb?was a segregated community?a sort of
green ghetto dedicated to the elite. 1961 Listener 7 Dec. 1000/3 [The
television programme] ‘Bookstand’, (November 30), capriciously shifted
to the Tuesday ghetto, had one memorable item. 1966 Ibid. 29 Sept.
454/1 The ghetto is one of two in which most of Chicago's Negroes, who
make up a quarter of the city's population, are forced to live. 1968
N.Y. Rev. Books 11 July 34/1 The ‘breakdown of the Catholic ghetto’ is a
good thing, but the breakdown of intellectual ghettos at M.I.T. and
Harvard might be, educationally, an even better thing.

3.3 attrib. and Comb.

1892 I. Zangwill Childr. Ghetto (1893) 2 The Ghetto?becomes only a
swarming-place for the poor and the ignorant.? Such people are their own
Ghetto gates. 1903 Daily Chron. 5 Aug. 5//2 What he calls the Ghetto
face and the Ghetto eye, observable enough in immigrants, cannot be
detected after a generation or two on American soil. 1908 J. London
Martin Eden (1910) xxxviii. 328 Tell them why you don't want Socialism.
Tell them what you think about them and their ghetto ethics. 1941
Koestler Scum of Earth 48 The country which was the first to introduce
yellow ghetto benches in its schools. 1949 ? Promise & Fulfilment ii.
iv. 251 The victory of the new type of Israelis grown on Palestine soil
over the obstinate fanaticism of ghetto-bred politicians. Ibid. iii.
i. 294 The same ghetto-heritage of suspicion. 1968 Guardian 24 Oct.
10/2 Those ancestors of today's ghetto-dwellers came to areas where,
unlike the South, there was no discrimination. 1969 Ibid. 17 Sept.
10/2 Catholics are not going to abandon the ghetto mentality which the
events of the past month have created unless Stormont shows some belated
signs of having the stomach for dealing with Protestant extremists.
1971 Radio Times 16 Sept. 37/5 Social workers are becoming
increasingly worried by the ‘ghetto mentality’ in the deprived areas of
our cities.

b.3.b Special Comb. ghetto blaster slang (orig. U.S.), a large portable
stereo radio (and cassette player), esp. one on which (Black) popular
music is played loudly.

[1982 N.Y. Times 30 May 46/3 He and his sextet, the Ghetto Blasters,
brought their mixture of harmonized Southern rock and rhythm-and-blues
to the Bottom Line.] 1983 Times 27 May 10/3 The growing high-street
popularity of Sony Walkmans and portable stereo cassette players
(‘*ghetto blasters’). 1983 Daily Mirror 4 June 13/1 A beat throbbing
from a ghetto-blaster—a giant, portable stereo system. 1983 Christian
Science Monitor 27 Sept. 21 Six feet tall, 16 years old, and carrying a
‘ghetto blaster’.


______________________________

Draft partial entry June 2006

? ghetto fabulous n. and adj. orig. U.S. (a) n. an ostentatious or
flamboyant lifestyle or manner of dress, associated with the hip-hop
subculture and characterized as a marker of status in economically
disadvantaged urban neighborhoods; (b) adj. of, relating to, or
exemplifying this style (variously viewed approvingly or
disapprovingly).

1996 N.Y. Times 14 Jan. xiii. 4/2 Founded by Andre Harrell, it
merged the softer approach of rhythm and blues with the hard edge of
hip-hop to create what Mr. Harrell called ‘New Jack Swing’—or, as he
describes it, ‘high Style urban black life a.k.a. *ghetto fabulous’.
1996 Billboard (Nexis) 4 May Horace is the kind of guy who can wear
a mink coat and Versace shades. His style is ghetto fabulous?. He comes
from the 'hood, but he has class. 1998 Plain Dealer (Cleveland, Ohio)
(Nexis) 21 Apr. 5 b, Blige held the crowd in the palm of her hand
through every lazy step as she sauntered across the stage in ghetto
fabulous outfits. 2001 GTA Today 12 Jan. 10/4 Avoid red fox fur (not
hip), fluffy coats (too ghetto fabulous), and anything ankle length.
2003 Boys Toys Aug. 105/3 You should also try Vana Talinn, a
mega-strong, very sweet liqueur. It's usually served with coffee over
ice or if you're ghetto fabulous, with champagne. 2004 Vanity Fair
June 60/3 [His] style is a combination of pimp, ghetto-fabulous, and
make-believe dandy.


And also:

Golden Ghetto

As opposed to a traditional 'ghetto' community that is destroyed by
poverty, the golden ghetto's problems stem from excess


Pretty weak. Ghetto still means a place where Jews or poor people
live.
The fact that a few rappers embraced the term does not change the
meaning ... unless you think "nigga" is now OK since Larry Wilmore
called the president "my nigga".



There are plenty of references that expand the meaning of ghetto beyond
what you think it means.


Point is, in normal conversation or writing, even by the "highly
educated" ... "Ghetto" has only one normally used meaning.




The original meaning or the evolved meanings? Language is fluid.


Yup, the old meaning of ghetto has been washed away.


No, it is still there, but the meanings have expanded. Language is fluid.

About as fluid as the Krausescheiße you spew here. Some would call it diarrhea of the mouth.
--

Ban Krausescheiße-spouting narcissists...not guns!

No tow job...
 

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/9/16 8:40 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/9/16 2:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/9/16 1:17 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/9/16 11:42 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/9/16 1:40 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/7/2016 8:31 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/7/16 8:23 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 7 May 2016 20:06:30 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:


As a liberal arts grad, I am aware of the vagaries of
language, as is
the OED:

? ghetto, n.

(?g?t??)

Also 7 gheto.

[Of uncertain etym., perh. f. It. getto foundry, as the
first ghetto
founded in Venice in 1516 was on the site of a foundry.]

1.1 The quarter in a city, chiefly in Italy, to which
the Jews were
restricted.

1611 Coryat Crudities 230 The place where the whole
fraternity of
the Iews dwelleth together, which is called the
Ghetto. Ibid. 234
Walking in the Court of the Ghetto, I casually met with
a Iewish Rabbin
that spake good Latin. 1756–7 tr. Keysler's Trav.
(1760) II. 76 A
particular part of the city, noted for houses of
ill-fame, was assigned
by Cosmo I. to the Jews, for their particular quarter,
or ghetto.
1879 Farrar St. Paul I. 5 The crowded ghetto of a Pagan
capital.
1887 Dowden Shelley II. vii. 277 An obscure quarter of
Rome, hard by
the gate of the Ghetto.

2.2 transf. and fig. A quarter in a city, esp. a thickly
populated slum
area, inhabited by a minority group or groups, usu. as a
result of
economic or social pressures; an area, etc., occupied by
an isolated
group; an isolated or segregated group, community, or area.

1892 I. Zangwill Children of Ghetto I. i. 2 The
particular Ghetto
that is the dark background upon which our pictures will
be cast is of
voluntary formation. 1897 Literature 27 Nov. 180/1 The
Farringdon-road collection of barrows has become the
veriest Ghetto of
bookland. 1908 J. London Martin Eden (1910) xxxvi.
310 They
dismounted and plunged off to the right into the heart
of the
working-class ghetto. 1909 Westm. Gaz. 20 Aug. 8/3
The people?have
grown superior to the banal excitement and cheap
attractions of the
densely crowded areas. The day on which the tramways
went over
Westminster Bridge recorded the unlocking of the London
ghettos. 1937
Times 6 Oct. 13/7 Part of the benches [in the Warsaw
Polytechnic] have
been marked for students belonging to a union almost
exclusively
controlled by ‘Aryans’, and others for the Jewish
students' union, while
a few seats for non-union students are left unmarked.?
The establishment
of the ‘bench ghetto’ is an important precedent, unknown
even in
Germany. 1957 Times Lit. Suppl. 29 Nov. 713/3 On
records the Coloured
jazz musicians still played largely for their race; in
life they played
for the immigrants into the Negro city ghettoes. 1961
L. Mumford City
in History xvi. 493 The suburb?was a segregated
community?a sort of
green ghetto dedicated to the elite. 1961 Listener 7
Dec. 1000/3 [The
television programme] ‘Bookstand’, (November 30),
capriciously shifted
to the Tuesday ghetto, had one memorable item. 1966
Ibid. 29 Sept.
454/1 The ghetto is one of two in which most of
Chicago's Negroes, who
make up a quarter of the city's population, are forced
to live. 1968
N.Y. Rev. Books 11 July 34/1 The ‘breakdown of the
Catholic ghetto’ is a
good thing, but the breakdown of intellectual ghettos at
M.I.T. and
Harvard might be, educationally, an even better thing.

3.3 attrib. and Comb.

1892 I. Zangwill Childr. Ghetto (1893) 2 The
Ghetto?becomes only a
swarming-place for the poor and the ignorant.? Such
people are their own
Ghetto gates. 1903 Daily Chron. 5 Aug. 5//2 What he
calls the Ghetto
face and the Ghetto eye, observable enough in
immigrants, cannot be
detected after a generation or two on American soil.
1908 J. London
Martin Eden (1910) xxxviii. 328 Tell them why you don't
want Socialism.
Tell them what you think about them and their ghetto
ethics. 1941
Koestler Scum of Earth 48 The country which was the
first to introduce
yellow ghetto benches in its schools. 1949 ? Promise
& Fulfilment ii.
iv. 251 The victory of the new type of Israelis grown on
Palestine soil
over the obstinate fanaticism of ghetto-bred
politicians. Ibid. iii.
i. 294 The same ghetto-heritage of suspicion. 1968
Guardian 24 Oct.
10/2 Those ancestors of today's ghetto-dwellers came to
areas where,
unlike the South, there was no discrimination. 1969
Ibid. 17 Sept.
10/2 Catholics are not going to abandon the ghetto
mentality which the
events of the past month have created unless Stormont
shows some belated
signs of having the stomach for dealing with Protestant
extremists.
1971 Radio Times 16 Sept. 37/5 Social workers are becoming
increasingly worried by the ‘ghetto mentality’ in the
deprived areas of
our cities.

b.3.b Special Comb. ghetto blaster slang (orig. U.S.), a
large portable
stereo radio (and cassette player), esp. one on which
(Black) popular
music is played loudly.

[1982 N.Y. Times 30 May 46/3 He and his sextet, the
Ghetto Blasters,
brought their mixture of harmonized Southern rock and
rhythm-and-blues
to the Bottom Line.] 1983 Times 27 May 10/3 The
growing high-street
popularity of Sony Walkmans and portable stereo cassette
players
(‘*ghetto blasters’). 1983 Daily Mirror 4 June 13/1 A
beat throbbing
from a ghetto-blaster—a giant, portable stereo
system. 1983 Christian
Science Monitor 27 Sept. 21 Six feet tall, 16 years old,
and carrying a
‘ghetto blaster’.


______________________________

Draft partial entry June 2006

? ghetto fabulous n. and adj. orig. U.S. (a) n. an
ostentatious or
flamboyant lifestyle or manner of dress, associated with
the hip-hop
subculture and characterized as a marker of status in
economically
disadvantaged urban neighborhoods; (b) adj. of, relating
to, or
exemplifying this style (variously viewed approvingly or
disapprovingly).

1996 N.Y. Times 14 Jan. xiii. 4/2 Founded by Andre
Harrell, it
merged the softer approach of rhythm and blues with the
hard edge of
hip-hop to create what Mr. Harrell called ‘New Jack
Swing’—or, as he
describes it, ‘high Style urban black life a.k.a.
*ghetto fabulous’.
1996 Billboard (Nexis) 4 May Horace is the kind of guy
who can wear
a mink coat and Versace shades. His style is ghetto
fabulous?. He comes
from the 'hood, but he has class. 1998 Plain Dealer
(Cleveland, Ohio)
(Nexis) 21 Apr. 5 b, Blige held the crowd in the palm of
her hand
through every lazy step as she sauntered across the
stage in ghetto
fabulous outfits. 2001 GTA Today 12 Jan. 10/4 Avoid
red fox fur (not
hip), fluffy coats (too ghetto fabulous), and anything
ankle length.
2003 Boys Toys Aug. 105/3 You should also try Vana
Talinn, a
mega-strong, very sweet liqueur. It's usually served
with coffee over
ice or if you're ghetto fabulous, with champagne.
2004 Vanity Fair
June 60/3 [His] style is a combination of pimp,
ghetto-fabulous, and
make-believe dandy.


And also:

Golden Ghetto

As opposed to a traditional 'ghetto' community that is
destroyed by
poverty, the golden ghetto's problems stem from excess


Pretty weak. Ghetto still means a place where Jews or
poor people
live.
The fact that a few rappers embraced the term does not
change the
meaning ... unless you think "nigga" is now OK since
Larry Wilmore
called the president "my nigga".



There are plenty of references that expand the meaning of
ghetto beyond
what you think it means.


Point is, in normal conversation or writing, even by the
"highly
educated" ... "Ghetto" has only one normally used meaning.




The original meaning or the evolved meanings? Language is
fluid.


Yup, the old meaning of ghetto has been washed away.


No, it is still there, but the meanings have expanded.
Language is fluid.


It is still there, but the old meaning just is not used these
days in
normal communication. Maybe you should have taken some better
courses.


Perhaps it isn't used among you and your fellow
semi-illiterates...but
it is still used.


Semi illiterate? Just because you failed any serious science and
math
courses.



No, Bilious, I did not *fail* any serious science and math courses. I
did have a rough time with a physical chem class, but I more than
passed
it with a "gentleman's hook."


So, social promotion.



No, Bilious, this wasn't a case of you skating through high school. I
was graduated with a 3.92 out of 4.0 average, enough to help me get a
nice fellowship from my employer and grad school.


I skated through high school on a 150 IQ. Was an alternate for West
Point
on competitive exams by local congressman. Have a degree in
engineering.
Can write reports. Made enough money to retire before 60. Never
declared
Bankruptcy, let alone twice. Maybe you should have gone to a better
university, or at,least studied something besides liberal arts basket
weaving.


Sure, Bilious...your "IQ" is readily apparent.


18 minutes to reply with a lame attack? Did you have to take a dump?
It certainly wasn't time spent writing a check to the IRS, eh?

No tow job...
 

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/10/16 4:39 PM, Keine Krauseschei�e wrote:


Absolute horse****.
--

Perfect descriptor for you, Asswipe Johnny.



Grow up. The name-calling is getting old.

No tow job...
 

Alex
- show quoted text -
"Grow up. Â*The name-calling is getting old."

You'd be well advised to follow your own advice, Ditzy.

No tow job...
 

On 5/11/2016 8:54 AM, True North wrote:
Alex
- show quoted text -
"Grow up. The name-calling is getting old."

You'd be well advised to follow your own advice, Ditzy.


You think of yourself as an advisor?

No tow job...
 

FlatulenceJim farts...

"You think of yourself as an advisor?"


Good advice is surely needed in this newsgroup...wherever it comes from.

No tow job...
 

On Wed, 11 May 2016 08:14:37 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

FlatulenceJim farts...

"You think of yourself as an advisor?"


Good advice is surely needed in this newsgroup...wherever it comes from.

Do you think juvenile name-calling is surely needed in this group? Does it lend credence to your
comments?

Maybe you should have just said something like, "Oh, I'm sorry. I thought the baby seal killing
atrocity had stopped many years ago. Apparently I was wrong as the Canadians are still torturing
baby seals with their killing methods. I suppose there are some folks up here performing much worse
hunting practices than the Americans I usually harp about."

A statement like that would have been perfectly acceptable.
--

Ban Krausescheiße-spouting narcissists...not guns!

No tow job...
 

True North wrote:
Alex
- show quoted text -
"Grow up. The name-calling is getting old."

You'd be well advised to follow your own advice, Ditzy.

"Say what?" Show me one example of name calling, dummy. You and Harry
post like a pair of teenagers.

No tow job...
 

Justan Olphart wrote:
On 5/11/2016 8:54 AM, True North wrote:
Alex
- show quoted text -
"Grow up. The name-calling is getting old."

You'd be well advised to follow your own advice, Ditzy.


You think of yourself as an advisor?

He's Harry's puppet.

No tow job...
 

Ditzy Dan Kruger spews...
- show quoted text -
""Say what?" Â*Show me one example of name calling, dummy. Â*You and Harry
post like a pair of teenagers."



Did you really just say that while calling me a "dummy"?
Y'all are as crazy as a bedbug.