Tough choice to make
 

Keine Krausescheiße
On Tue, 3 May 2016 14:30:26 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:
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"Whatsa matter, Krause? Don can't answer for himself?

He's the one talking about how tough to make his choice was. I would have been glad if someone had
steered me away from a stern drive when I bought the Pro Line for use in the bay. I'll never make
that mistake again."


BTW Johnny, the tough choice wasn't between stern drive and outboards...It was between a 17.5' Boat and an 18' Boat...both with the 3.0 MerCruiser stern drive engine. These were the 2015 left overs on sale avoiding higher prices due to our low dollar.

Tough choice to make
 

On Tue, 3 May 2016 13:41:31 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

Keine Krausescheiße
On Tue, 3 May 2016 14:30:26 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:
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"Whatsa matter, Krause? Don can't answer for himself?

He's the one talking about how tough to make his choice was. I would have been glad if someone had
steered me away from a stern drive when I bought the Pro Line for use in the bay. I'll never make
that mistake again."


BTW Johnny, the tough choice wasn't between stern drive and outboards...It was between a 17.5' Boat and an 18' Boat...both with the 3.0 MerCruiser stern drive engine. These were the 2015 left overs on sale avoiding higher prices due to our low dollar.

Good luck with whatever you get, Don.
--

Ban Krausescheiße-spouting narcissists...not guns!

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On 5/3/16 4:41 PM, True North wrote:
Keine Krausescheiße
On Tue, 3 May 2016 14:30:26 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:
- show quoted text -
"Whatsa matter, Krause? Don can't answer for himself?

He's the one talking about how tough to make his choice was. I would have been glad if someone had
steered me away from a stern drive when I bought the Pro Line for use in the bay. I'll never make
that mistake again."


BTW Johnny, the tough choice wasn't between stern drive and outboards...It was between a 17.5' Boat and an 18' Boat...both with the 3.0 MerCruiser stern drive engine. These were the 2015 left overs on sale avoiding higher prices due to our low dollar.


I don't see where an I/O drive on a trailerboat that spends its
"offtime" on a trailer in a driveway would be problematical. I wouldn't
keep an I/O boat out on a mooring or in a wet dock, but that isn't what
you are going to do.

I wouldn't take any advice on boats that Herring offers as valuable.

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Keyser Söze
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"I don't see where an I/O drive on a trailerboat that spends its
"offtime" on a trailer in a driveway would be problematical. I wouldn't
keep an I/O boat out on a mooring or in a wet dock, but that isn't what
you are going to do.

I wouldn't take any advice on boats that Herring offers as valuable."


Yup...drysail is the term we use.
Out of the almost 8000 hours in a year, my boat might average 25 in the water. (if we really like this new boat, that might be a bit higher) In four years the Legend didn't spend one night in the water.

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On 5/3/16 5:52 PM, True North wrote:
Keyser Söze
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"I don't see where an I/O drive on a trailerboat that spends its
"offtime" on a trailer in a driveway would be problematical. I wouldn't
keep an I/O boat out on a mooring or in a wet dock, but that isn't what
you are going to do.

I wouldn't take any advice on boats that Herring offers as valuable."


Yup...drysail is the term we use.
Out of the almost 8000 hours in a year, my boat might average 25 in the water. (if we really like this new boat, that might be a bit higher) In four years the Legend didn't spend one night in the water.

Just flush out the motor and lower unit after use, keep everything
greased and oiled, and wash the salt off the boat and trailer and axles
and you'll be fine.

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On 5/3/2016 1:34 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/3/16 1:04 PM, Keine Krauseschei�e wrote:
On Tue, 3 May 2016 09:35:14 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Mr. Luddite
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"Why not just let Don buy the boat *he* likes ... "


Thank you!
I realize that the Bayliner is considered an entry level boat and
have read whatever I can google on the pros and cons of outboard vs
stern drive but some of the participants in here don't realize my
realities. Low dollar, short season, dry sailing, light useage etc.
It doesn't make sense for me to stretch myself out on a top rated
boat. Might be better to apply my 79 cent pension dollars, saved on a
modest boat purchase, towards a modest travel trailer.

If you don't want input, why continue to pose quandaries? You write
paragraphs about the decision
process you're going through and then thank Luddite when he suggests
no one comment on that process.
Why not just buy the boat and tell no one what you are considering or
why. Then, keep it to
yourself...no pictures or description.

Just tell everyone it's got twin Volvo inboard diesels!
--

You just never stop being the flaming asshole, do you?

He's not a flaming asshole. He's merely throwing a light barb at THE
flaming asshole.

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True North wrote:
On Monday, 2 May 2016 21:09:32 UTC-3, Alex wrote:
Keine Krausescheiße wrote:
On Monday, May 2, 2016 at 9:23:44 AM UTC-4, True North wrote:
Wife, dog and I took a one day drive over to Charlottetown PEI to visit my new boat dealer and make a final choice between the Bayliner 175 BR I ordered at the Halifax Boat Show or the larger and nicer 185 BR. Both models are left over 2015 versions with the same motor.
the 185 seems like 30 per cent more boat for only 12 per cent more money
This really appeals to my Scottish side.

But......
The larger galvanized trailer on the 185 has brakes and measures about 105 inches wide...troublesome for my narrow driveway.
The boat sits tall on the trailer...looks like I'd need a 6 foot stepladder eveft time I wanted to board. In the showroom I used a four foot one with the salesperson holding it to get up on the swim platform and then into the boat. Nothing on the boat to hold onto. Since my legs still haven't fully recovered from my bout with PMR a couple years ago and now appears to be arthritis in my night knee, I felt shaky working my way up and then down into the cockpit.
Next surprise was the nicer more comfortable seat with bolster. Salesman said it was all the way down but the upper windshield frame was right in my line of sight. I couldn't imagine putting up with that every time I went out.

Went home to think about it overnight and emailed the dealer co-owner that I was sticking with the slightly shorter but narrower 175. Of course they said I could upgrade in the future if I wanted but we know the difference would be more that the $3500 it would cost me right now.

BTW. The bigger boat sitting higher on the trailer would be troublesome on a lot of shallow ramps around here.
Doesn't the swim platform have a drop down ladder? I would have to have used a step stool of some sort for the Key West without that. What type brakes would be on the trailer? Brakes are a bit of a PITA, but much depends on their type, drum vs disc. As you can keep the boat at home, the extra brake maintenance shouldn't be a big problem. If the boat sits a bit higher on the trailer, it would mean you'd back into the water a couple more feet. Does no one launch 18' boats at the launch ramps up there? As to the seat height, I'd never trust a salesman. Would want to check the adjustment myself. Also, I do most of my boating standing, so I can see more.

It seems like you'd be getting a lot for your money with the extra $3500.
The subject line concerns me since the "choice" to buy a Bayliner was
already made and now new considerations are just popping up. I'm sure
his buddy Harry is not loving it but what else can he do at this point
other than be a spectator? His repeated references "the salesman said"
in this and previous posts are cause for concern, too, but it's his problem.

The 175 is rated for a 135HP I/O and the 185 is rated for 220HP - that's
odd considering the negligible weight difference and both are low
numbers for a well-built boat. The 8" wider beam should not result in a
boat that sits that much higher unless it's the wrong trailer for the
boat. If I was buying what is likely my last boat it wouldn't be either
of these. An outboard would be tops on my list for Don's area and
budget. This is a good read to compare the two...

http://www.boatingmag.com/boats/boat...e-vs-jet-drive

Don, get out if you still can and enlist the help and experience of
other people. There are internet (not Usenet) message boards that
aren't infested with politics and bull**** that will steer you in the
right direction.
I was surprised to heat that 90% of the 185 BR boats that Quartermaster Marine brings in have the 3.0 engine. Maybe we're just not as power hungry as y'all down there.


"heat", Don?

That 185HP is close to 130HP in outboard horsepower.

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Say what?
What 185HP?

Don, if you have not done so check out the Bayliner Owners Club at www.baylinerownersclub.org pose your queries there. You will get some pretty straight up answers from the members there.

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True North wrote:
Keyser Söze
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"I don't see where an I/O drive on a trailerboat that spends its
"offtime" on a trailer in a driveway would be problematical. I wouldn't
keep an I/O boat out on a mooring or in a wet dock, but that isn't what
you are going to do.

I wouldn't take any advice on boats that Herring offers as valuable."


Yup...drysail is the term we use.
Out of the almost 8000 hours in a year, my boat might average 25 in the
water. (if we really like this new boat, that might be a bit higher) In
four years the Legend didn't spend one night in the water.


With only 25 hours of use, I would look at renting a nice boat when I
wanted on the water.