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....not my first choice, and I'm not sure 'Mericans are unbiased enough
to vote a New York Jewish Democratic Socialist into office, but I don't have any serious policy issues with him, and this issue is certainly one I favor: Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders called for a constitutional amendment to automatically register all *eligible* voters during a Democratic candidate forum on Friday night. He said he wanted to see legislative reform or “maybe even a constitutional amendment that says that everybody in America who has 18 years of age or older is registered to vote, end of discussion.” Sanders blasted politicians who pass laws making it harder for people to register to vote. States across the country have passed new laws—most pushed by Republicans—that require a photo ID to register to vote or limit when people can register. “People who suppress the vote are political cowards and are undermining democracy,” Sanders told moderator and MSNBC host Rachel Maddow during the forum at Winthrop University in Rock Hill, South Carolina. “What the Republicans are doing is so un-American, it’s outrageous, it is beyond belief,” he said. “If they can’t face a free election, they should get another job.” In his many elections, Sanders said, “it has never occurred to me as a candidate to figure out the way to deny people the right to vote because they might vote against me.” - - - - - Sanders is spot-on...there's very little voter fraud in this country, and the only reason the Repubs are pushing for tougher laws is to limit the vote. |
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On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 11:23:53 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: ...not my first choice, and I'm not sure 'Mericans are unbiased enough to vote a New York Jewish Democratic Socialist into office, but I don't have any serious policy issues with him, and this issue is certainly one I favor: Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders called for a constitutional amendment to automatically register all *eligible* voters during a Democratic candidate forum on Friday night. He said he wanted to see legislative reform or “maybe even a constitutional amendment that says that everybody in America who has 18 years of age or older is registered to vote, end of discussion.” Sanders blasted politicians who pass laws making it harder for people to register to vote. States across the country have passed new laws—most pushed by Republicans—that require a photo ID to register to vote or limit when people can register. “People who suppress the vote are political cowards and are undermining democracy,” Sanders told moderator and MSNBC host Rachel Maddow during the forum at Winthrop University in Rock Hill, South Carolina. “What the Republicans are doing is so un-American, it’s outrageous, it is beyond belief,” he said. “If they can’t face a free election, they should get another job.” In his many elections, Sanders said, “it has never occurred to me as a candidate to figure out the way to deny people the right to vote because they might vote against me.” - - - - - Sanders is spot-on...there's very little voter fraud in this country, and the only reason the Repubs are pushing for tougher laws is to limit the vote. Nobody really investigates voter fraud. Our TV station had no problem finding it and even talked to some of the people to verify that they were resident aliens, not citizens but it didn't go anywhere. The answer is simple. The guy who won has no interest in calling into question whether his win was valid and the loser is simply a sore loser. I do find it interesting that the same people who think the government should have the power to require photo IDs for firearm purchases, driving cars, opening bank accounts, buying cigarettes and even buying cold medicine think voters should just be accepted blindly if they just show up. I guess the assumption is that illegal aliens must be democrats. |
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On 2/10/2016 10:23 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
...not my first choice, and I'm not sure 'Mericans are unbiased enough to vote a New York Jewish Democratic Socialist into office, but I don't have any serious policy issues with him, and this issue is certainly one I favor: Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders called for a constitutional amendment to automatically register all *eligible* voters during a Democratic candidate forum on Friday night. He said he wanted to see legislative reform or “maybe even a constitutional amendment that says that everybody in America who has 18 years of age or older is registered to vote, end of discussion.” Sanders blasted politicians who pass laws making it harder for people to register to vote. States across the country have passed new laws—most pushed by Republicans—that require a photo ID to register to vote or limit when people can register. Keysor, if it was Republicans that lacked the mental ability to figure out how to get a photo ID, would you still want to drop such a dead simple requirement? It is simple, you figured it out. Mikek |
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On 2/10/16 1:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2016 11:44 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/10/16 11:35 AM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 11:23:53 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: ...not my first choice, and I'm not sure 'Mericans are unbiased enough to vote a New York Jewish Democratic Socialist into office, but I don't have any serious policy issues with him, and this issue is certainly one I favor: Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders called for a constitutional amendment to automatically register all *eligible* voters during a Democratic candidate forum on Friday night. He said he wanted to see legislative reform or “maybe even a constitutional amendment that says that everybody in America who has 18 years of age or older is registered to vote, end of discussion.” Sanders blasted politicians who pass laws making it harder for people to register to vote. States across the country have passed new laws—most pushed by Republicans—that require a photo ID to register to vote or limit when people can register. “People who suppress the vote are political cowards and are undermining democracy,” Sanders told moderator and MSNBC host Rachel Maddow during the forum at Winthrop University in Rock Hill, South Carolina. “What the Republicans are doing is so un-American, it’s outrageous, it is beyond belief,” he said. “If they can’t face a free election, they should get another job.” In his many elections, Sanders said, “it has never occurred to me as a candidate to figure out the way to deny people the right to vote because they might vote against me.” - - - - - Sanders is spot-on...there's very little voter fraud in this country, and the only reason the Repubs are pushing for tougher laws is to limit the vote. Nobody really investigates voter fraud. Our TV station had no problem finding it and even talked to some of the people to verify that they were resident aliens, not citizens but it didn't go anywhere. The answer is simple. The guy who won has no interest in calling into question whether his win was valid and the loser is simply a sore loser. I do find it interesting that the same people who think the government should have the power to require photo IDs for firearm purchases, driving cars, opening bank accounts, buying cigarettes and even buying cold medicine think voters should just be accepted blindly if they just show up. I guess the assumption is that illegal aliens must be democrats. Uh-high, right, of course. The Repubs pushing for it just don't seem to be able to come up with multiple serious occurrences, because "no one really investigates" it. I get it. What Bernie is advocating is simple: if you are qualified to be a registered voter at age 18, you are registered. Has nothing to do with voter ID, because once you are registered, the ID is issued automatically, even if the Republican legislators in your state don't want you to vote. Again, the operative word in Bernie's proposal is "qualified" or "eligible". As long as that is defined as being a US citizen, I have no problem at all with his proposal. I agree..."qualified," and simply defined and enforced, is the key. Interestingly, in the years we have lived in Maryland, I have never been asked to produce an ID to vote. When I go to the precinct, someone at the check-in table looks up my name on a computer printout booklet, says "OK," and hands me the form to hand to the voting machine "keepers." I "registered" when I first applied for a Maryland drivers' license. |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/10/16 1:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/10/2016 11:44 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/10/16 11:35 AM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 11:23:53 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: ...not my first choice, and I'm not sure 'Mericans are unbiased enough to vote a New York Jewish Democratic Socialist into office, but I don't have any serious policy issues with him, and this issue is certainly one I favor: Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders called for a constitutional amendment to automatically register all *eligible* voters during a Democratic candidate forum on Friday night. He said he wanted to see legislative reform or “maybe even a constitutional amendment that says that everybody in America who has 18 years of age or older is registered to vote, end of discussion.” Sanders blasted politicians who pass laws making it harder for people to register to vote. States across the country have passed new laws—most pushed by Republicans—that require a photo ID to register to vote or limit when people can register. “People who suppress the vote are political cowards and are undermining democracy,” Sanders told moderator and MSNBC host Rachel Maddow during the forum at Winthrop University in Rock Hill, South Carolina. “What the Republicans are doing is so un-American, it’s outrageous, it is beyond belief,” he said. “If they can’t face a free election, they should get another job.” In his many elections, Sanders said, “it has never occurred to me as a candidate to figure out the way to deny people the right to vote because they might vote against me.” - - - - - Sanders is spot-on...there's very little voter fraud in this country, and the only reason the Repubs are pushing for tougher laws is to limit the vote. Nobody really investigates voter fraud. Our TV station had no problem finding it and even talked to some of the people to verify that they were resident aliens, not citizens but it didn't go anywhere. The answer is simple. The guy who won has no interest in calling into question whether his win was valid and the loser is simply a sore loser. I do find it interesting that the same people who think the government should have the power to require photo IDs for firearm purchases, driving cars, opening bank accounts, buying cigarettes and even buying cold medicine think voters should just be accepted blindly if they just show up. I guess the assumption is that illegal aliens must be democrats. Uh-high, right, of course. The Repubs pushing for it just don't seem to be able to come up with multiple serious occurrences, because "no one really investigates" it. I get it. What Bernie is advocating is simple: if you are qualified to be a registered voter at age 18, you are registered. Has nothing to do with voter ID, because once you are registered, the ID is issued automatically, even if the Republican legislators in your state don't want you to vote. Again, the operative word in Bernie's proposal is "qualified" or "eligible". As long as that is defined as being a US citizen, I have no problem at all with his proposal. I agree..."qualified," and simply defined and enforced, is the key. Interestingly, in the years we have lived in Maryland, I have never been asked to produce an ID to vote. When I go to the precinct, someone at the check-in table looks up my name on a computer printout booklet, says "OK," and hands me the form to hand to the voting machine "keepers." I "registered" when I first applied for a Maryland drivers' license. So, it is ok if someone shows up and states they are you and votes for you? |
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On 2/10/16 2:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/10/16 1:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/10/2016 11:44 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/10/16 11:35 AM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 11:23:53 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: ...not my first choice, and I'm not sure 'Mericans are unbiased enough to vote a New York Jewish Democratic Socialist into office, but I don't have any serious policy issues with him, and this issue is certainly one I favor: Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders called for a constitutional amendment to automatically register all *eligible* voters during a Democratic candidate forum on Friday night. He said he wanted to see legislative reform or “maybe even a constitutional amendment that says that everybody in America who has 18 years of age or older is registered to vote, end of discussion.” Sanders blasted politicians who pass laws making it harder for people to register to vote. States across the country have passed new laws—most pushed by Republicans—that require a photo ID to register to vote or limit when people can register. “People who suppress the vote are political cowards and are undermining democracy,” Sanders told moderator and MSNBC host Rachel Maddow during the forum at Winthrop University in Rock Hill, South Carolina. “What the Republicans are doing is so un-American, it’s outrageous, it is beyond belief,” he said. “If they can’t face a free election, they should get another job.” In his many elections, Sanders said, “it has never occurred to me as a candidate to figure out the way to deny people the right to vote because they might vote against me.” - - - - - Sanders is spot-on...there's very little voter fraud in this country, and the only reason the Repubs are pushing for tougher laws is to limit the vote. Nobody really investigates voter fraud. Our TV station had no problem finding it and even talked to some of the people to verify that they were resident aliens, not citizens but it didn't go anywhere. The answer is simple. The guy who won has no interest in calling into question whether his win was valid and the loser is simply a sore loser. I do find it interesting that the same people who think the government should have the power to require photo IDs for firearm purchases, driving cars, opening bank accounts, buying cigarettes and even buying cold medicine think voters should just be accepted blindly if they just show up. I guess the assumption is that illegal aliens must be democrats. Uh-high, right, of course. The Repubs pushing for it just don't seem to be able to come up with multiple serious occurrences, because "no one really investigates" it. I get it. What Bernie is advocating is simple: if you are qualified to be a registered voter at age 18, you are registered. Has nothing to do with voter ID, because once you are registered, the ID is issued automatically, even if the Republican legislators in your state don't want you to vote. Again, the operative word in Bernie's proposal is "qualified" or "eligible". As long as that is defined as being a US citizen, I have no problem at all with his proposal. I agree..."qualified," and simply defined and enforced, is the key. Interestingly, in the years we have lived in Maryland, I have never been asked to produce an ID to vote. When I go to the precinct, someone at the check-in table looks up my name on a computer printout booklet, says "OK," and hands me the form to hand to the voting machine "keepers." I "registered" when I first applied for a Maryland drivers' license. So, it is ok if someone shows up and states they are you and votes for you? Go for it, Bilious. |
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On 2/10/2016 11:23 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
....not my first choice, and I'm not sure 'Mericans are unbiased enough to vote a New York Jewish Democratic Socialist into office, but I don't have any serious policy issues with him, and this issue is certainly one I favor: Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders called for a constitutional amendment to automatically register all *eligible* voters during a Democratic candidate forum on Friday night. He said he wanted to see legislative reform or “maybe even a constitutional amendment that says that everybody in America who has 18 years of age or older is registered to vote, end of discussion.” Sanders blasted politicians who pass laws making it harder for people to register to vote. States across the country have passed new laws—most pushed by Republicans—that require a photo ID to register to vote or limit when people can register. “People who suppress the vote are political cowards and are undermining democracy,” Sanders told moderator and MSNBC host Rachel Maddow during the forum at Winthrop University in Rock Hill, South Carolina. “What the Republicans are doing is so un-American, it’s outrageous, it is beyond belief,” he said. “If they can’t face a free election, they should get another job.” In his many elections, Sanders said, “it has never occurred to me as a candidate to figure out the way to deny people the right to vote because they might vote against me.” - - - - - Sanders is spot-on...there's very little voter fraud in this country, and the only reason the Repubs are pushing for tougher laws is to limit the vote. I agree. Show your SS card and vote. No problem |
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On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 12:49:28 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 11:35:12 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 11:23:53 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: ...not my first choice, and I'm not sure 'Mericans are unbiased enough to vote a New York Jewish Democratic Socialist into office, but I don't have any serious policy issues with him, and this issue is certainly one I favor: Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders called for a constitutional amendment to automatically register all *eligible* voters during a Democratic candidate forum on Friday night. He said he wanted to see legislative reform or “maybe even a constitutional amendment that says that everybody in America who has 18 years of age or older is registered to vote, end of discussion.” Sanders blasted politicians who pass laws making it harder for people to register to vote. States across the country have passed new laws—most pushed by Republicans—that require a photo ID to register to vote or limit when people can register. “People who suppress the vote are political cowards and are undermining democracy,” Sanders told moderator and MSNBC host Rachel Maddow during the forum at Winthrop University in Rock Hill, South Carolina. “What the Republicans are doing is so un-American, it’s outrageous, it is beyond belief,” he said. “If they can’t face a free election, they should get another job.” In his many elections, Sanders said, “it has never occurred to me as a candidate to figure out the way to deny people the right to vote because they might vote against me.” - - - - - Sanders is spot-on...there's very little voter fraud in this country, and the only reason the Repubs are pushing for tougher laws is to limit the vote. Nobody really investigates voter fraud. Our TV station had no problem finding it and even talked to some of the people to verify that they were resident aliens, not citizens but it didn't go anywhere. The answer is simple. The guy who won has no interest in calling into question whether his win was valid and the loser is simply a sore loser. I do find it interesting that the same people who think the government should have the power to require photo IDs for firearm purchases, driving cars, opening bank accounts, buying cigarettes and even buying cold medicine think voters should just be accepted blindly if they just show up. I guess the assumption is that illegal aliens must be democrats. Yup. Well said. I am ready for the national ID card or even my "chip". The idea that you can live anonymously in this country is pretty much gone, if you are not hiding in a cabin in Idaho. I would be happy if I could just lay my hand on the scanner and cash a check, buy stuff, drive a car, carry a gun, get on a plane or vote. I would want the chip to have a very limited range and be able to wear a watch or something that blocks the signal. |
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On 2/10/2016 1:29 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/10/16 1:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/10/2016 11:44 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/10/16 11:35 AM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 11:23:53 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: ...not my first choice, and I'm not sure 'Mericans are unbiased enough to vote a New York Jewish Democratic Socialist into office, but I don't have any serious policy issues with him, and this issue is certainly one I favor: Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders called for a constitutional amendment to automatically register all *eligible* voters during a Democratic candidate forum on Friday night. He said he wanted to see legislative reform or “maybe even a constitutional amendment that says that everybody in America who has 18 years of age or older is registered to vote, end of discussion.” Sanders blasted politicians who pass laws making it harder for people to register to vote. States across the country have passed new laws—most pushed by Republicans—that require a photo ID to register to vote or limit when people can register. “People who suppress the vote are political cowards and are undermining democracy,” Sanders told moderator and MSNBC host Rachel Maddow during the forum at Winthrop University in Rock Hill, South Carolina. “What the Republicans are doing is so un-American, it’s outrageous, it is beyond belief,” he said. “If they can’t face a free election, they should get another job.” In his many elections, Sanders said, “it has never occurred to me as a candidate to figure out the way to deny people the right to vote because they might vote against me.” - - - - - Sanders is spot-on...there's very little voter fraud in this country, and the only reason the Repubs are pushing for tougher laws is to limit the vote. Nobody really investigates voter fraud. Our TV station had no problem finding it and even talked to some of the people to verify that they were resident aliens, not citizens but it didn't go anywhere. The answer is simple. The guy who won has no interest in calling into question whether his win was valid and the loser is simply a sore loser. I do find it interesting that the same people who think the government should have the power to require photo IDs for firearm purchases, driving cars, opening bank accounts, buying cigarettes and even buying cold medicine think voters should just be accepted blindly if they just show up. I guess the assumption is that illegal aliens must be democrats. Uh-high, right, of course. The Repubs pushing for it just don't seem to be able to come up with multiple serious occurrences, because "no one really investigates" it. I get it. What Bernie is advocating is simple: if you are qualified to be a registered voter at age 18, you are registered. Has nothing to do with voter ID, because once you are registered, the ID is issued automatically, even if the Republican legislators in your state don't want you to vote. Again, the operative word in Bernie's proposal is "qualified" or "eligible". As long as that is defined as being a US citizen, I have no problem at all with his proposal. I agree..."qualified," and simply defined and enforced, is the key. Interestingly, in the years we have lived in Maryland, I have never been asked to produce an ID to vote. When I go to the precinct, someone at the check-in table looks up my name on a computer printout booklet, says "OK," and hands me the form to hand to the voting machine "keepers." I "registered" when I first applied for a Maryland drivers' license. How did they know what your name was/is? |
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On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 13:29:52 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: I agree..."qualified," and simply defined and enforced, is the key. Interestingly, in the years we have lived in Maryland, I have never been asked to produce an ID to vote. When I go to the precinct, someone at the check-in table looks up my name on a computer printout booklet, says "OK," and hands me the form to hand to the voting machine "keepers." I "registered" when I first applied for a Maryland drivers' license. We have to show something with our picture on it but it could be a Sams card, an EBT Id card or a state issued DMV ID card (not a DL). There is a very long list of things that work. The hole in the system is who can get themselves registered in the first place. That is what TV-20 investigated. The problem is the DMV has no way to verify people are citizens. If you show up with a valid out of state license, they automatically swap it with a Florida license and citizenship is not going to be on that out of state DMV record. Some of the people NBC 2 found said they were registered without even being asked to be but they still showed up at the polls.. |
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On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:14:29 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote: On 2/10/2016 11:23 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: ....not my first choice, and I'm not sure 'Mericans are unbiased enough to vote a New York Jewish Democratic Socialist into office, but I don't have any serious policy issues with him, and this issue is certainly one I favor: Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders called for a constitutional amendment to automatically register all *eligible* voters during a Democratic candidate forum on Friday night. He said he wanted to see legislative reform or “maybe even a constitutional amendment that says that everybody in America who has 18 years of age or older is registered to vote, end of discussion.” Sanders blasted politicians who pass laws making it harder for people to register to vote. States across the country have passed new laws—most pushed by Republicans—that require a photo ID to register to vote or limit when people can register. “People who suppress the vote are political cowards and are undermining democracy,” Sanders told moderator and MSNBC host Rachel Maddow during the forum at Winthrop University in Rock Hill, South Carolina. “What the Republicans are doing is so un-American, it’s outrageous, it is beyond belief,” he said. “If they can’t face a free election, they should get another job.” In his many elections, Sanders said, “it has never occurred to me as a candidate to figure out the way to deny people the right to vote because they might vote against me.” - - - - - Sanders is spot-on...there's very little voter fraud in this country, and the only reason the Repubs are pushing for tougher laws is to limit the vote. I agree. Show your SS card and vote. No problem Where would I get that. I have not had a SS card since 1964 (when I lost my wallet in the Potomac). The SS card is not much of an ID anyway. Any kid with a color printer can make one. There is no biometric information on it at all. The last I heard a SS card, a "mica" and a birth certificate was about $500. |
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On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:41:54 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/10/2016 1:29 PM, Keyser Sze wrote: On 2/10/16 1:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/10/2016 11:44 AM, Keyser Sze wrote: On 2/10/16 11:35 AM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 11:23:53 -0500, Keyser Sze wrote: ...not my first choice, and I'm not sure 'Mericans are unbiased enough to vote a New York Jewish Democratic Socialist into office, but I don't have any serious policy issues with him, and this issue is certainly one I favor: Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders called for a constitutional amendment to automatically register all *eligible* voters during a Democratic candidate forum on Friday night. He said he wanted to see legislative reform or maybe even a constitutional amendment that says that everybody in America who has 18 years of age or older is registered to vote, end of discussion. Sanders blasted politicians who pass laws making it harder for people to register to vote. States across the country have passed new lawsmost pushed by Republicansthat require a photo ID to register to vote or limit when people can register. People who suppress the vote are political cowards and are undermining democracy, Sanders told moderator and MSNBC host Rachel Maddow during the forum at Winthrop University in Rock Hill, South Carolina. What the Republicans are doing is so un-American, its outrageous, it is beyond belief, he said. If they cant face a free election, they should get another job. In his many elections, Sanders said, it has never occurred to me as a candidate to figure out the way to deny people the right to vote because they might vote against me. - - - - - Sanders is spot-on...there's very little voter fraud in this country, and the only reason the Repubs are pushing for tougher laws is to limit the vote. Nobody really investigates voter fraud. Our TV station had no problem finding it and even talked to some of the people to verify that they were resident aliens, not citizens but it didn't go anywhere. The answer is simple. The guy who won has no interest in calling into question whether his win was valid and the loser is simply a sore loser. I do find it interesting that the same people who think the government should have the power to require photo IDs for firearm purchases, driving cars, opening bank accounts, buying cigarettes and even buying cold medicine think voters should just be accepted blindly if they just show up. I guess the assumption is that illegal aliens must be democrats. Uh-high, right, of course. The Repubs pushing for it just don't seem to be able to come up with multiple serious occurrences, because "no one really investigates" it. I get it. What Bernie is advocating is simple: if you are qualified to be a registered voter at age 18, you are registered. Has nothing to do with voter ID, because once you are registered, the ID is issued automatically, even if the Republican legislators in your state don't want you to vote. Again, the operative word in Bernie's proposal is "qualified" or "eligible". As long as that is defined as being a US citizen, I have no problem at all with his proposal. I agree..."qualified," and simply defined and enforced, is the key. Interestingly, in the years we have lived in Maryland, I have never been asked to produce an ID to vote. When I go to the precinct, someone at the check-in table looks up my name on a computer printout booklet, says "OK," and hands me the form to hand to the voting machine "keepers." I "registered" when I first applied for a Maryland drivers' license. How did they know what your name was/is? Harry's story doesn't quite jibe with the Maryland Board of Elections: http://www.elections.state.md.us/vot...dex.html#chap2 But then, who would have expected that it would? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! |
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On 2/10/16 6:16 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:41:54 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/10/2016 1:29 PM, Keyser Sze wrote: On 2/10/16 1:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/10/2016 11:44 AM, Keyser Sze wrote: On 2/10/16 11:35 AM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 11:23:53 -0500, Keyser Sze wrote: ...not my first choice, and I'm not sure 'Mericans are unbiased enough to vote a New York Jewish Democratic Socialist into office, but I don't have any serious policy issues with him, and this issue is certainly one I favor: Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders called for a constitutional amendment to automatically register all *eligible* voters during a Democratic candidate forum on Friday night. He said he wanted to see legislative reform or maybe even a constitutional amendment that says that everybody in America who has 18 years of age or older is registered to vote, end of discussion. Sanders blasted politicians who pass laws making it harder for people to register to vote. States across the country have passed new lawsmost pushed by Republicansthat require a photo ID to register to vote or limit when people can register. People who suppress the vote are political cowards and are undermining democracy, Sanders told moderator and MSNBC host Rachel Maddow during the forum at Winthrop University in Rock Hill, South Carolina. What the Republicans are doing is so un-American, its outrageous, it is beyond belief, he said. If they cant face a free election, they should get another job. In his many elections, Sanders said, it has never occurred to me as a candidate to figure out the way to deny people the right to vote because they might vote against me. - - - - - Sanders is spot-on...there's very little voter fraud in this country, and the only reason the Repubs are pushing for tougher laws is to limit the vote. Nobody really investigates voter fraud. Our TV station had no problem finding it and even talked to some of the people to verify that they were resident aliens, not citizens but it didn't go anywhere. The answer is simple. The guy who won has no interest in calling into question whether his win was valid and the loser is simply a sore loser. I do find it interesting that the same people who think the government should have the power to require photo IDs for firearm purchases, driving cars, opening bank accounts, buying cigarettes and even buying cold medicine think voters should just be accepted blindly if they just show up. I guess the assumption is that illegal aliens must be democrats. Uh-high, right, of course. The Repubs pushing for it just don't seem to be able to come up with multiple serious occurrences, because "no one really investigates" it. I get it. What Bernie is advocating is simple: if you are qualified to be a registered voter at age 18, you are registered. Has nothing to do with voter ID, because once you are registered, the ID is issued automatically, even if the Republican legislators in your state don't want you to vote. Again, the operative word in Bernie's proposal is "qualified" or "eligible". As long as that is defined as being a US citizen, I have no problem at all with his proposal. I agree..."qualified," and simply defined and enforced, is the key. Interestingly, in the years we have lived in Maryland, I have never been asked to produce an ID to vote. When I go to the precinct, someone at the check-in table looks up my name on a computer printout booklet, says "OK," and hands me the form to hand to the voting machine "keepers." I "registered" when I first applied for a Maryland drivers' license. How did they know what your name was/is? Harry's story doesn't quite jibe with the Maryland Board of Elections: http://www.elections.state.md.us/vot...dex.html#chap2 But then, who would have expected that it would? -- Oh, please, John Ku Klux Herring, the registration process today likely is different than it was a decade plus ago when we registered. |
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On 2/10/2016 6:16 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:41:54 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/10/2016 1:29 PM, Keyser Sze wrote: On 2/10/16 1:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/10/2016 11:44 AM, Keyser Sze wrote: On 2/10/16 11:35 AM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 11:23:53 -0500, Keyser Sze wrote: ...not my first choice, and I'm not sure 'Mericans are unbiased enough to vote a New York Jewish Democratic Socialist into office, but I don't have any serious policy issues with him, and this issue is certainly one I favor: Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders called for a constitutional amendment to automatically register all *eligible* voters during a Democratic candidate forum on Friday night. He said he wanted to see legislative reform or maybe even a constitutional amendment that says that everybody in America who has 18 years of age or older is registered to vote, end of discussion. Sanders blasted politicians who pass laws making it harder for people to register to vote. States across the country have passed new lawsmost pushed by Republicansthat require a photo ID to register to vote or limit when people can register. People who suppress the vote are political cowards and are undermining democracy, Sanders told moderator and MSNBC host Rachel Maddow during the forum at Winthrop University in Rock Hill, South Carolina. What the Republicans are doing is so un-American, its outrageous, it is beyond belief, he said. If they cant face a free election, they should get another job. In his many elections, Sanders said, it has never occurred to me as a candidate to figure out the way to deny people the right to vote because they might vote against me. - - - - - Sanders is spot-on...there's very little voter fraud in this country, and the only reason the Repubs are pushing for tougher laws is to limit the vote. Nobody really investigates voter fraud. Our TV station had no problem finding it and even talked to some of the people to verify that they were resident aliens, not citizens but it didn't go anywhere. The answer is simple. The guy who won has no interest in calling into question whether his win was valid and the loser is simply a sore loser. I do find it interesting that the same people who think the government should have the power to require photo IDs for firearm purchases, driving cars, opening bank accounts, buying cigarettes and even buying cold medicine think voters should just be accepted blindly if they just show up. I guess the assumption is that illegal aliens must be democrats. Uh-high, right, of course. The Repubs pushing for it just don't seem to be able to come up with multiple serious occurrences, because "no one really investigates" it. I get it. What Bernie is advocating is simple: if you are qualified to be a registered voter at age 18, you are registered. Has nothing to do with voter ID, because once you are registered, the ID is issued automatically, even if the Republican legislators in your state don't want you to vote. Again, the operative word in Bernie's proposal is "qualified" or "eligible". As long as that is defined as being a US citizen, I have no problem at all with his proposal. I agree..."qualified," and simply defined and enforced, is the key. Interestingly, in the years we have lived in Maryland, I have never been asked to produce an ID to vote. When I go to the precinct, someone at the check-in table looks up my name on a computer printout booklet, says "OK," and hands me the form to hand to the voting machine "keepers." I "registered" when I first applied for a Maryland drivers' license. How did they know what your name was/is? Harry's story doesn't quite jibe with the Maryland Board of Elections: http://www.elections.state.md.us/vot...dex.html#chap2 But then, who would have expected that it would? Not taking sides here but I think you misunderstood what Harry said. The link you provided outlines how you *register* to vote, not *how* you vote. Harry said he registered when he first applied for a driver's license. My voting experience in MA is similar. Go to the polling station, stand in line, approach the official seated at a table and tell them my name and address. They look it up on the sheet of registered voters, hand me a ballot and say "Vote". Never asked for an ID. |
Bernie...
On 2/10/16 6:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2016 6:16 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:41:54 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/10/2016 1:29 PM, Keyser Sze wrote: On 2/10/16 1:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/10/2016 11:44 AM, Keyser Sze wrote: On 2/10/16 11:35 AM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 11:23:53 -0500, Keyser Sze wrote: ...not my first choice, and I'm not sure 'Mericans are unbiased enough to vote a New York Jewish Democratic Socialist into office, but I don't have any serious policy issues with him, and this issue is certainly one I favor: Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders called for a constitutional amendment to automatically register all *eligible* voters during a Democratic candidate forum on Friday night. He said he wanted to see legislative reform or maybe even a constitutional amendment that says that everybody in America who has 18 years of age or older is registered to vote, end of discussion. Sanders blasted politicians who pass laws making it harder for people to register to vote. States across the country have passed new lawsmost pushed by Republicansthat require a photo ID to register to vote or limit when people can register. People who suppress the vote are political cowards and are undermining democracy, Sanders told moderator and MSNBC host Rachel Maddow during the forum at Winthrop University in Rock Hill, South Carolina. What the Republicans are doing is so un-American, its outrageous, it is beyond belief, he said. If they cant face a free election, they should get another job. In his many elections, Sanders said, it has never occurred to me as a candidate to figure out the way to deny people the right to vote because they might vote against me. - - - - - Sanders is spot-on...there's very little voter fraud in this country, and the only reason the Repubs are pushing for tougher laws is to limit the vote. Nobody really investigates voter fraud. Our TV station had no problem finding it and even talked to some of the people to verify that they were resident aliens, not citizens but it didn't go anywhere. The answer is simple. The guy who won has no interest in calling into question whether his win was valid and the loser is simply a sore loser. I do find it interesting that the same people who think the government should have the power to require photo IDs for firearm purchases, driving cars, opening bank accounts, buying cigarettes and even buying cold medicine think voters should just be accepted blindly if they just show up. I guess the assumption is that illegal aliens must be democrats. Uh-high, right, of course. The Repubs pushing for it just don't seem to be able to come up with multiple serious occurrences, because "no one really investigates" it. I get it. What Bernie is advocating is simple: if you are qualified to be a registered voter at age 18, you are registered. Has nothing to do with voter ID, because once you are registered, the ID is issued automatically, even if the Republican legislators in your state don't want you to vote. Again, the operative word in Bernie's proposal is "qualified" or "eligible". As long as that is defined as being a US citizen, I have no problem at all with his proposal. I agree..."qualified," and simply defined and enforced, is the key. Interestingly, in the years we have lived in Maryland, I have never been asked to produce an ID to vote. When I go to the precinct, someone at the check-in table looks up my name on a computer printout booklet, says "OK," and hands me the form to hand to the voting machine "keepers." I "registered" when I first applied for a Maryland drivers' license. How did they know what your name was/is? Harry's story doesn't quite jibe with the Maryland Board of Elections: http://www.elections.state.md.us/vot...dex.html#chap2 But then, who would have expected that it would? Not taking sides here but I think you misunderstood what Harry said. The link you provided outlines how you *register* to vote, not *how* you vote. Harry said he registered when he first applied for a driver's license. My voting experience in MA is similar. Go to the polling station, stand in line, approach the official seated at a table and tell them my name and address. They look it up on the sheet of registered voters, hand me a ballot and say "Vote". Never asked for an ID. We just state our name, and the precinct worker asks us a question about our address, sometimes. But most of our precinct workers "know" a lot of the voters by sight. Herring isn't noted for his ability to parse basic English sentences. |
Bernie...
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:59:06 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote: On 2/10/2016 4:51 PM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:14:29 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/10/2016 11:23 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: ....not my first choice, and I'm not sure 'Mericans are unbiased enough to vote a New York Jewish Democratic Socialist into office, but I don't have any serious policy issues with him, and this issue is certainly one I favor: Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders called for a constitutional amendment to automatically register all *eligible* voters during a Democratic candidate forum on Friday night. He said he wanted to see legislative reform or “maybe even a constitutional amendment that says that everybody in America who has 18 years of age or older is registered to vote, end of discussion.” Sanders blasted politicians who pass laws making it harder for people to register to vote. States across the country have passed new laws—most pushed by Republicans—that require a photo ID to register to vote or limit when people can register. “People who suppress the vote are political cowards and are undermining democracy,” Sanders told moderator and MSNBC host Rachel Maddow during the forum at Winthrop University in Rock Hill, South Carolina. “What the Republicans are doing is so un-American, it’s outrageous, it is beyond belief,” he said. “If they can’t face a free election, they should get another job.” In his many elections, Sanders said, “it has never occurred to me as a candidate to figure out the way to deny people the right to vote because they might vote against me.” - - - - - Sanders is spot-on...there's very little voter fraud in this country, and the only reason the Repubs are pushing for tougher laws is to limit the vote. I agree. Show your SS card and vote. No problem Where would I get that. I have not had a SS card since 1964 (when I lost my wallet in the Potomac). The SS card is not much of an ID anyway. Any kid with a color printer can make one. There is no biometric information on it at all. The last I heard a SS card, a "mica" and a birth certificate was about $500. Show up at a SS office and ask for one. Why? In over 50 years nobody has ever asked me to show it to them. (Not even when I started drawing my SS/MC) The one I had said right on it "Not for Identification" or words to that effect. |
Bernie...
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 18:44:28 -0500, Keyser Sze wrote:
On 2/10/16 6:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/10/2016 6:16 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:41:54 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/10/2016 1:29 PM, Keyser Sze wrote: On 2/10/16 1:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/10/2016 11:44 AM, Keyser Sze wrote: On 2/10/16 11:35 AM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 11:23:53 -0500, Keyser Sze wrote: ...not my first choice, and I'm not sure 'Mericans are unbiased enough to vote a New York Jewish Democratic Socialist into office, but I don't have any serious policy issues with him, and this issue is certainly one I favor: Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders called for a constitutional amendment to automatically register all *eligible* voters during a Democratic candidate forum on Friday night. He said he wanted to see legislative reform or maybe even a constitutional amendment that says that everybody in America who has 18 years of age or older is registered to vote, end of discussion. Sanders blasted politicians who pass laws making it harder for people to register to vote. States across the country have passed new lawsmost pushed by Republicansthat require a photo ID to register to vote or limit when people can register. People who suppress the vote are political cowards and are undermining democracy, Sanders told moderator and MSNBC host Rachel Maddow during the forum at Winthrop University in Rock Hill, South Carolina. What the Republicans are doing is so un-American, its outrageous, it is beyond belief, he said. If they cant face a free election, they should get another job. In his many elections, Sanders said, it has never occurred to me as a candidate to figure out the way to deny people the right to vote because they might vote against me. - - - - - Sanders is spot-on...there's very little voter fraud in this country, and the only reason the Repubs are pushing for tougher laws is to limit the vote. Nobody really investigates voter fraud. Our TV station had no problem finding it and even talked to some of the people to verify that they were resident aliens, not citizens but it didn't go anywhere. The answer is simple. The guy who won has no interest in calling into question whether his win was valid and the loser is simply a sore loser. I do find it interesting that the same people who think the government should have the power to require photo IDs for firearm purchases, driving cars, opening bank accounts, buying cigarettes and even buying cold medicine think voters should just be accepted blindly if they just show up. I guess the assumption is that illegal aliens must be democrats. Uh-high, right, of course. The Repubs pushing for it just don't seem to be able to come up with multiple serious occurrences, because "no one really investigates" it. I get it. What Bernie is advocating is simple: if you are qualified to be a registered voter at age 18, you are registered. Has nothing to do with voter ID, because once you are registered, the ID is issued automatically, even if the Republican legislators in your state don't want you to vote. Again, the operative word in Bernie's proposal is "qualified" or "eligible". As long as that is defined as being a US citizen, I have no problem at all with his proposal. I agree..."qualified," and simply defined and enforced, is the key. Interestingly, in the years we have lived in Maryland, I have never been asked to produce an ID to vote. When I go to the precinct, someone at the check-in table looks up my name on a computer printout booklet, says "OK," and hands me the form to hand to the voting machine "keepers." I "registered" when I first applied for a Maryland drivers' license. How did they know what your name was/is? Harry's story doesn't quite jibe with the Maryland Board of Elections: http://www.elections.state.md.us/vot...dex.html#chap2 But then, who would have expected that it would? Not taking sides here but I think you misunderstood what Harry said. The link you provided outlines how you *register* to vote, not *how* you vote. Harry said he registered when he first applied for a driver's license. My voting experience in MA is similar. Go to the polling station, stand in line, approach the official seated at a table and tell them my name and address. They look it up on the sheet of registered voters, hand me a ballot and say "Vote". Never asked for an ID. We just state our name, and the precinct worker asks us a question about our address, sometimes. But most of our precinct workers "know" a lot of the voters by sight. Herring isn't noted for his ability to parse basic English sentences. Thankfully, Luddite clarified the situation. My bad. The apostrophes threw me. I took it to mean the act of getting a driver's license automatically 'registered' one to vote. My apologies for doubting your word, Harry. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! |
Bernie...
On 2/11/16 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 18:44:28 -0500, Keyser Sze wrote: On 2/10/16 6:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/10/2016 6:16 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:41:54 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/10/2016 1:29 PM, Keyser Sze wrote: On 2/10/16 1:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/10/2016 11:44 AM, Keyser Sze wrote: On 2/10/16 11:35 AM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 11:23:53 -0500, Keyser Sze wrote: ...not my first choice, and I'm not sure 'Mericans are unbiased enough to vote a New York Jewish Democratic Socialist into office, but I don't have any serious policy issues with him, and this issue is certainly one I favor: Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders called for a constitutional amendment to automatically register all *eligible* voters during a Democratic candidate forum on Friday night. He said he wanted to see legislative reform or maybe even a constitutional amendment that says that everybody in America who has 18 years of age or older is registered to vote, end of discussion. Sanders blasted politicians who pass laws making it harder for people to register to vote. States across the country have passed new lawsmost pushed by Republicansthat require a photo ID to register to vote or limit when people can register. People who suppress the vote are political cowards and are undermining democracy, Sanders told moderator and MSNBC host Rachel Maddow during the forum at Winthrop University in Rock Hill, South Carolina. What the Republicans are doing is so un-American, its outrageous, it is beyond belief, he said. If they cant face a free election, they should get another job. In his many elections, Sanders said, it has never occurred to me as a candidate to figure out the way to deny people the right to vote because they might vote against me. - - - - - Sanders is spot-on...there's very little voter fraud in this country, and the only reason the Repubs are pushing for tougher laws is to limit the vote. Nobody really investigates voter fraud. Our TV station had no problem finding it and even talked to some of the people to verify that they were resident aliens, not citizens but it didn't go anywhere. The answer is simple. The guy who won has no interest in calling into question whether his win was valid and the loser is simply a sore loser. I do find it interesting that the same people who think the government should have the power to require photo IDs for firearm purchases, driving cars, opening bank accounts, buying cigarettes and even buying cold medicine think voters should just be accepted blindly if they just show up. I guess the assumption is that illegal aliens must be democrats. Uh-high, right, of course. The Repubs pushing for it just don't seem to be able to come up with multiple serious occurrences, because "no one really investigates" it. I get it. What Bernie is advocating is simple: if you are qualified to be a registered voter at age 18, you are registered. Has nothing to do with voter ID, because once you are registered, the ID is issued automatically, even if the Republican legislators in your state don't want you to vote. Again, the operative word in Bernie's proposal is "qualified" or "eligible". As long as that is defined as being a US citizen, I have no problem at all with his proposal. I agree..."qualified," and simply defined and enforced, is the key. Interestingly, in the years we have lived in Maryland, I have never been asked to produce an ID to vote. When I go to the precinct, someone at the check-in table looks up my name on a computer printout booklet, says "OK," and hands me the form to hand to the voting machine "keepers." I "registered" when I first applied for a Maryland drivers' license. How did they know what your name was/is? Harry's story doesn't quite jibe with the Maryland Board of Elections: http://www.elections.state.md.us/vot...dex.html#chap2 But then, who would have expected that it would? Not taking sides here but I think you misunderstood what Harry said. The link you provided outlines how you *register* to vote, not *how* you vote. Harry said he registered when he first applied for a driver's license. My voting experience in MA is similar. Go to the polling station, stand in line, approach the official seated at a table and tell them my name and address. They look it up on the sheet of registered voters, hand me a ballot and say "Vote". Never asked for an ID. We just state our name, and the precinct worker asks us a question about our address, sometimes. But most of our precinct workers "know" a lot of the voters by sight. Herring isn't noted for his ability to parse basic English sentences. Thankfully, Luddite clarified the situation. My bad. The apostrophes threw me. I took it to mean the act of getting a driver's license automatically 'registered' one to vote. My apologies for doubting your word, Harry. -- My aging memory of the process on the driver's license application form was checking a box that asked: " ( ) Would you like to register as a voter? " If you checked the box, you "got registered," and a month or so later, a paper registered voter card was mailed to you and it indicated your precinct, voting location, and federal and state congressional districts. I didn't have to produce any documentation to get a Maryland license beyond my former state of residence license. This was years before 9-11, and I am sure the process is more complicated now. |
Bernie...
On 2/11/2016 1:03 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:59:06 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/10/2016 4:51 PM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:14:29 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/10/2016 11:23 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: ....not my first choice, and I'm not sure 'Mericans are unbiased enough to vote a New York Jewish Democratic Socialist into office, but I don't have any serious policy issues with him, and this issue is certainly one I favor: Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders called for a constitutional amendment to automatically register all *eligible* voters during a Democratic candidate forum on Friday night. He said he wanted to see legislative reform or “maybe even a constitutional amendment that says that everybody in America who has 18 years of age or older is registered to vote, end of discussion.” Sanders blasted politicians who pass laws making it harder for people to register to vote. States across the country have passed new laws—most pushed by Republicans—that require a photo ID to register to vote or limit when people can register. “People who suppress the vote are political cowards and are undermining democracy,” Sanders told moderator and MSNBC host Rachel Maddow during the forum at Winthrop University in Rock Hill, South Carolina. “What the Republicans are doing is so un-American, it’s outrageous, it is beyond belief,” he said. “If they can’t face a free election, they should get another job.” In his many elections, Sanders said, “it has never occurred to me as a candidate to figure out the way to deny people the right to vote because they might vote against me.” - - - - - Sanders is spot-on...there's very little voter fraud in this country, and the only reason the Repubs are pushing for tougher laws is to limit the vote. I agree. Show your SS card and vote. No problem Where would I get that. I have not had a SS card since 1964 (when I lost my wallet in the Potomac). The SS card is not much of an ID anyway. Any kid with a color printer can make one. There is no biometric information on it at all. The last I heard a SS card, a "mica" and a birth certificate was about $500. Show up at a SS office and ask for one. Why? In over 50 years nobody has ever asked me to show it to them. (Not even when I started drawing my SS/MC) The one I had said right on it "Not for Identification" or words to that effect. Take the "A" off the end of your medicare number and what's left. Leave your SS number off your tax return and see what happens. Why won't your doctor treat you if you don't give up your SS number. Why can't you get credit without a SS number. Maybe you didn't show a card but you've given your number out countless times. How would you propose potential voters properly identify themselves? |
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On 2/11/2016 8:11 AM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 18:44:28 -0500, Keyser Sze wrote: On 2/10/16 6:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/10/2016 6:16 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:41:54 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/10/2016 1:29 PM, Keyser Sze wrote: On 2/10/16 1:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/10/2016 11:44 AM, Keyser Sze wrote: On 2/10/16 11:35 AM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 11:23:53 -0500, Keyser Sze wrote: ...not my first choice, and I'm not sure 'Mericans are unbiased enough to vote a New York Jewish Democratic Socialist into office, but I don't have any serious policy issues with him, and this issue is certainly one I favor: Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders called for a constitutional amendment to automatically register all *eligible* voters during a Democratic candidate forum on Friday night. He said he wanted to see legislative reform or maybe even a constitutional amendment that says that everybody in America who has 18 years of age or older is registered to vote, end of discussion. Sanders blasted politicians who pass laws making it harder for people to register to vote. States across the country have passed new lawsmost pushed by Republicansthat require a photo ID to register to vote or limit when people can register. People who suppress the vote are political cowards and are undermining democracy, Sanders told moderator and MSNBC host Rachel Maddow during the forum at Winthrop University in Rock Hill, South Carolina. What the Republicans are doing is so un-American, its outrageous, it is beyond belief, he said. If they cant face a free election, they should get another job. In his many elections, Sanders said, it has never occurred to me as a candidate to figure out the way to deny people the right to vote because they might vote against me. - - - - - Sanders is spot-on...there's very little voter fraud in this country, and the only reason the Repubs are pushing for tougher laws is to limit the vote. Nobody really investigates voter fraud. Our TV station had no problem finding it and even talked to some of the people to verify that they were resident aliens, not citizens but it didn't go anywhere. The answer is simple. The guy who won has no interest in calling into question whether his win was valid and the loser is simply a sore loser. I do find it interesting that the same people who think the government should have the power to require photo IDs for firearm purchases, driving cars, opening bank accounts, buying cigarettes and even buying cold medicine think voters should just be accepted blindly if they just show up. I guess the assumption is that illegal aliens must be democrats. Uh-high, right, of course. The Repubs pushing for it just don't seem to be able to come up with multiple serious occurrences, because "no one really investigates" it. I get it. What Bernie is advocating is simple: if you are qualified to be a registered voter at age 18, you are registered. Has nothing to do with voter ID, because once you are registered, the ID is issued automatically, even if the Republican legislators in your state don't want you to vote. Again, the operative word in Bernie's proposal is "qualified" or "eligible". As long as that is defined as being a US citizen, I have no problem at all with his proposal. I agree..."qualified," and simply defined and enforced, is the key. Interestingly, in the years we have lived in Maryland, I have never been asked to produce an ID to vote. When I go to the precinct, someone at the check-in table looks up my name on a computer printout booklet, says "OK," and hands me the form to hand to the voting machine "keepers." I "registered" when I first applied for a Maryland drivers' license. How did they know what your name was/is? Harry's story doesn't quite jibe with the Maryland Board of Elections: http://www.elections.state.md.us/vot...dex.html#chap2 But then, who would have expected that it would? Not taking sides here but I think you misunderstood what Harry said. The link you provided outlines how you *register* to vote, not *how* you vote. Harry said he registered when he first applied for a driver's license. My voting experience in MA is similar. Go to the polling station, stand in line, approach the official seated at a table and tell them my name and address. They look it up on the sheet of registered voters, hand me a ballot and say "Vote". Never asked for an ID. We just state our name, and the precinct worker asks us a question about our address, sometimes. But most of our precinct workers "know" a lot of the voters by sight. Herring isn't noted for his ability to parse basic English sentences. Thankfully, Luddite clarified the situation. My bad. The apostrophes threw me. I took it to mean the act of getting a driver's license automatically 'registered' one to vote. My apologies for doubting your word, Harry. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! Can you imagine how he shudders as he comes on church property to vote? |
Bernie...
On 2/11/2016 8:22 AM, Keyser Sze wrote:
On 2/11/16 8:11 AM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 18:44:28 -0500, Keyser Sze wrote: On 2/10/16 6:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/10/2016 6:16 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:41:54 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/10/2016 1:29 PM, Keyser Sze wrote: On 2/10/16 1:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/10/2016 11:44 AM, Keyser Sze wrote: On 2/10/16 11:35 AM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 11:23:53 -0500, Keyser Sze wrote: ...not my first choice, and I'm not sure 'Mericans are unbiased enough to vote a New York Jewish Democratic Socialist into office, but I don't have any serious policy issues with him, and this issue is certainly one I favor: Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders called for a constitutional amendment to automatically register all *eligible* voters during a Democratic candidate forum on Friday night. He said he wanted to see legislative reform or maybe even a constitutional amendment that says that everybody in America who has 18 years of age or older is registered to vote, end of discussion. Sanders blasted politicians who pass laws making it harder for people to register to vote. States across the country have passed new lawsmost pushed by Republicansthat require a photo ID to register to vote or limit when people can register. People who suppress the vote are political cowards and are undermining democracy, Sanders told moderator and MSNBC host Rachel Maddow during the forum at Winthrop University in Rock Hill, South Carolina. What the Republicans are doing is so un-American, its outrageous, it is beyond belief, he said. If they cant face a free election, they should get another job. In his many elections, Sanders said, it has never occurred to me as a candidate to figure out the way to deny people the right to vote because they might vote against me. - - - - - Sanders is spot-on...there's very little voter fraud in this country, and the only reason the Repubs are pushing for tougher laws is to limit the vote. Nobody really investigates voter fraud. Our TV station had no problem finding it and even talked to some of the people to verify that they were resident aliens, not citizens but it didn't go anywhere. The answer is simple. The guy who won has no interest in calling into question whether his win was valid and the loser is simply a sore loser. I do find it interesting that the same people who think the government should have the power to require photo IDs for firearm purchases, driving cars, opening bank accounts, buying cigarettes and even buying cold medicine think voters should just be accepted blindly if they just show up. I guess the assumption is that illegal aliens must be democrats. Uh-high, right, of course. The Repubs pushing for it just don't seem to be able to come up with multiple serious occurrences, because "no one really investigates" it. I get it. What Bernie is advocating is simple: if you are qualified to be a registered voter at age 18, you are registered. Has nothing to do with voter ID, because once you are registered, the ID is issued automatically, even if the Republican legislators in your state don't want you to vote. Again, the operative word in Bernie's proposal is "qualified" or "eligible". As long as that is defined as being a US citizen, I have no problem at all with his proposal. I agree..."qualified," and simply defined and enforced, is the key. Interestingly, in the years we have lived in Maryland, I have never been asked to produce an ID to vote. When I go to the precinct, someone at the check-in table looks up my name on a computer printout booklet, says "OK," and hands me the form to hand to the voting machine "keepers." I "registered" when I first applied for a Maryland drivers' license. How did they know what your name was/is? Harry's story doesn't quite jibe with the Maryland Board of Elections: http://www.elections.state.md.us/vot...dex.html#chap2 But then, who would have expected that it would? Not taking sides here but I think you misunderstood what Harry said. The link you provided outlines how you *register* to vote, not *how* you vote. Harry said he registered when he first applied for a driver's license. My voting experience in MA is similar. Go to the polling station, stand in line, approach the official seated at a table and tell them my name and address. They look it up on the sheet of registered voters, hand me a ballot and say "Vote". Never asked for an ID. We just state our name, and the precinct worker asks us a question about our address, sometimes. But most of our precinct workers "know" a lot of the voters by sight. Herring isn't noted for his ability to parse basic English sentences. Thankfully, Luddite clarified the situation. My bad. The apostrophes threw me. I took it to mean the act of getting a driver's license automatically 'registered' one to vote. My apologies for doubting your word, Harry. -- My aging memory of the process on the driver's license application form was checking a box that asked: " ( ) Would you like to register as a voter? " If you checked the box, you "got registered," and a month or so later, a paper registered voter card was mailed to you and it indicated your precinct, voting location, and federal and state congressional districts. I didn't have to produce any documentation to get a Maryland license beyond my former state of residence license. This was years before 9-11, and I am sure the process is more complicated now. They at least should have given you a competency test. |
Bernie...
On 2/11/2016 8:22 AM, Keyser Sze wrote:
On 2/11/16 8:11 AM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 18:44:28 -0500, Keyser Sze wrote: On 2/10/16 6:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/10/2016 6:16 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:41:54 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/10/2016 1:29 PM, Keyser Sze wrote: On 2/10/16 1:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/10/2016 11:44 AM, Keyser Sze wrote: On 2/10/16 11:35 AM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 11:23:53 -0500, Keyser Sze wrote: ...not my first choice, and I'm not sure 'Mericans are unbiased enough to vote a New York Jewish Democratic Socialist into office, but I don't have any serious policy issues with him, and this issue is certainly one I favor: Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders called for a constitutional amendment to automatically register all *eligible* voters during a Democratic candidate forum on Friday night. He said he wanted to see legislative reform or maybe even a constitutional amendment that says that everybody in America who has 18 years of age or older is registered to vote, end of discussion. Sanders blasted politicians who pass laws making it harder for people to register to vote. States across the country have passed new lawsmost pushed by Republicansthat require a photo ID to register to vote or limit when people can register. People who suppress the vote are political cowards and are undermining democracy, Sanders told moderator and MSNBC host Rachel Maddow during the forum at Winthrop University in Rock Hill, South Carolina. What the Republicans are doing is so un-American, its outrageous, it is beyond belief, he said. If they cant face a free election, they should get another job. In his many elections, Sanders said, it has never occurred to me as a candidate to figure out the way to deny people the right to vote because they might vote against me. - - - - - Sanders is spot-on...there's very little voter fraud in this country, and the only reason the Repubs are pushing for tougher laws is to limit the vote. Nobody really investigates voter fraud. Our TV station had no problem finding it and even talked to some of the people to verify that they were resident aliens, not citizens but it didn't go anywhere. The answer is simple. The guy who won has no interest in calling into question whether his win was valid and the loser is simply a sore loser. I do find it interesting that the same people who think the government should have the power to require photo IDs for firearm purchases, driving cars, opening bank accounts, buying cigarettes and even buying cold medicine think voters should just be accepted blindly if they just show up. I guess the assumption is that illegal aliens must be democrats. Uh-high, right, of course. The Repubs pushing for it just don't seem to be able to come up with multiple serious occurrences, because "no one really investigates" it. I get it. What Bernie is advocating is simple: if you are qualified to be a registered voter at age 18, you are registered. Has nothing to do with voter ID, because once you are registered, the ID is issued automatically, even if the Republican legislators in your state don't want you to vote. Again, the operative word in Bernie's proposal is "qualified" or "eligible". As long as that is defined as being a US citizen, I have no problem at all with his proposal. I agree..."qualified," and simply defined and enforced, is the key. Interestingly, in the years we have lived in Maryland, I have never been asked to produce an ID to vote. When I go to the precinct, someone at the check-in table looks up my name on a computer printout booklet, says "OK," and hands me the form to hand to the voting machine "keepers." I "registered" when I first applied for a Maryland drivers' license. How did they know what your name was/is? Harry's story doesn't quite jibe with the Maryland Board of Elections: http://www.elections.state.md.us/vot...dex.html#chap2 But then, who would have expected that it would? Not taking sides here but I think you misunderstood what Harry said. The link you provided outlines how you *register* to vote, not *how* you vote. Harry said he registered when he first applied for a driver's license. My voting experience in MA is similar. Go to the polling station, stand in line, approach the official seated at a table and tell them my name and address. They look it up on the sheet of registered voters, hand me a ballot and say "Vote". Never asked for an ID. We just state our name, and the precinct worker asks us a question about our address, sometimes. But most of our precinct workers "know" a lot of the voters by sight. Herring isn't noted for his ability to parse basic English sentences. Thankfully, Luddite clarified the situation. My bad. The apostrophes threw me. I took it to mean the act of getting a driver's license automatically 'registered' one to vote. My apologies for doubting your word, Harry. -- My aging memory of the process on the driver's license application form was checking a box that asked: " ( ) Would you like to register as a voter? " If you checked the box, you "got registered," and a month or so later, a paper registered voter card was mailed to you and it indicated your precinct, voting location, and federal and state congressional districts. I didn't have to produce any documentation to get a Maryland license beyond my former state of residence license. This was years before 9-11, and I am sure the process is more complicated now. We register to vote at our local town hall. First, they add your name and address to the registered voter's list. Second thing they do is add your name and address to the list of prospective jurors for jury duty. |
Bernie...
On 2/11/16 8:59 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 8:22 AM, Keyser Sze wrote: On 2/11/16 8:11 AM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 18:44:28 -0500, Keyser Sze wrote: On 2/10/16 6:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/10/2016 6:16 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:41:54 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/10/2016 1:29 PM, Keyser Sze wrote: On 2/10/16 1:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/10/2016 11:44 AM, Keyser Sze wrote: On 2/10/16 11:35 AM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 11:23:53 -0500, Keyser Sze wrote: ...not my first choice, and I'm not sure 'Mericans are unbiased enough to vote a New York Jewish Democratic Socialist into office, but I don't have any serious policy issues with him, and this issue is certainly one I favor: Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders called for a constitutional amendment to automatically register all *eligible* voters during a Democratic candidate forum on Friday night. He said he wanted to see legislative reform or maybe even a constitutional amendment that says that everybody in America who has 18 years of age or older is registered to vote, end of discussion. Sanders blasted politicians who pass laws making it harder for people to register to vote. States across the country have passed new lawsmost pushed by Republicansthat require a photo ID to register to vote or limit when people can register. People who suppress the vote are political cowards and are undermining democracy, Sanders told moderator and MSNBC host Rachel Maddow during the forum at Winthrop University in Rock Hill, South Carolina. What the Republicans are doing is so un-American, its outrageous, it is beyond belief, he said. If they cant face a free election, they should get another job. In his many elections, Sanders said, it has never occurred to me as a candidate to figure out the way to deny people the right to vote because they might vote against me. - - - - - Sanders is spot-on...there's very little voter fraud in this country, and the only reason the Repubs are pushing for tougher laws is to limit the vote. Nobody really investigates voter fraud. Our TV station had no problem finding it and even talked to some of the people to verify that they were resident aliens, not citizens but it didn't go anywhere. The answer is simple. The guy who won has no interest in calling into question whether his win was valid and the loser is simply a sore loser. I do find it interesting that the same people who think the government should have the power to require photo IDs for firearm purchases, driving cars, opening bank accounts, buying cigarettes and even buying cold medicine think voters should just be accepted blindly if they just show up. I guess the assumption is that illegal aliens must be democrats. Uh-high, right, of course. The Repubs pushing for it just don't seem to be able to come up with multiple serious occurrences, because "no one really investigates" it. I get it. What Bernie is advocating is simple: if you are qualified to be a registered voter at age 18, you are registered. Has nothing to do with voter ID, because once you are registered, the ID is issued automatically, even if the Republican legislators in your state don't want you to vote. Again, the operative word in Bernie's proposal is "qualified" or "eligible". As long as that is defined as being a US citizen, I have no problem at all with his proposal. I agree..."qualified," and simply defined and enforced, is the key. Interestingly, in the years we have lived in Maryland, I have never been asked to produce an ID to vote. When I go to the precinct, someone at the check-in table looks up my name on a computer printout booklet, says "OK," and hands me the form to hand to the voting machine "keepers." I "registered" when I first applied for a Maryland drivers' license. How did they know what your name was/is? Harry's story doesn't quite jibe with the Maryland Board of Elections: http://www.elections.state.md.us/vot...dex.html#chap2 But then, who would have expected that it would? Not taking sides here but I think you misunderstood what Harry said. The link you provided outlines how you *register* to vote, not *how* you vote. Harry said he registered when he first applied for a driver's license. My voting experience in MA is similar. Go to the polling station, stand in line, approach the official seated at a table and tell them my name and address. They look it up on the sheet of registered voters, hand me a ballot and say "Vote". Never asked for an ID. We just state our name, and the precinct worker asks us a question about our address, sometimes. But most of our precinct workers "know" a lot of the voters by sight. Herring isn't noted for his ability to parse basic English sentences. Thankfully, Luddite clarified the situation. My bad. The apostrophes threw me. I took it to mean the act of getting a driver's license automatically 'registered' one to vote. My apologies for doubting your word, Harry. -- My aging memory of the process on the driver's license application form was checking a box that asked: " ( ) Would you like to register as a voter? " If you checked the box, you "got registered," and a month or so later, a paper registered voter card was mailed to you and it indicated your precinct, voting location, and federal and state congressional districts. I didn't have to produce any documentation to get a Maryland license beyond my former state of residence license. This was years before 9-11, and I am sure the process is more complicated now. We register to vote at our local town hall. First, they add your name and address to the registered voter's list. Second thing they do is add your name and address to the list of prospective jurors for jury duty. I'm sure we have something like that, too, at the county offices. Our town, such as it is, is pretty much nothing more than a designated geographic area...no town government. |
Bernie...
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:44:11 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote: On 2/11/2016 1:03 AM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:59:06 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/10/2016 4:51 PM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:14:29 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/10/2016 11:23 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: ....not my first choice, and I'm not sure 'Mericans are unbiased enough to vote a New York Jewish Democratic Socialist into office, but I don't have any serious policy issues with him, and this issue is certainly one I favor: Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders called for a constitutional amendment to automatically register all *eligible* voters during a Democratic candidate forum on Friday night. He said he wanted to see legislative reform or “maybe even a constitutional amendment that says that everybody in America who has 18 years of age or older is registered to vote, end of discussion.” Sanders blasted politicians who pass laws making it harder for people to register to vote. States across the country have passed new laws—most pushed by Republicans—that require a photo ID to register to vote or limit when people can register. “People who suppress the vote are political cowards and are undermining democracy,” Sanders told moderator and MSNBC host Rachel Maddow during the forum at Winthrop University in Rock Hill, South Carolina. “What the Republicans are doing is so un-American, it’s outrageous, it is beyond belief,” he said. “If they can’t face a free election, they should get another job.” In his many elections, Sanders said, “it has never occurred to me as a candidate to figure out the way to deny people the right to vote because they might vote against me.” - - - - - Sanders is spot-on...there's very little voter fraud in this country, and the only reason the Repubs are pushing for tougher laws is to limit the vote. I agree. Show your SS card and vote. No problem Where would I get that. I have not had a SS card since 1964 (when I lost my wallet in the Potomac). The SS card is not much of an ID anyway. Any kid with a color printer can make one. There is no biometric information on it at all. The last I heard a SS card, a "mica" and a birth certificate was about $500. Show up at a SS office and ask for one. Why? In over 50 years nobody has ever asked me to show it to them. (Not even when I started drawing my SS/MC) The one I had said right on it "Not for Identification" or words to that effect. Take the "A" off the end of your medicare number and what's left. Leave your SS number off your tax return and see what happens. Why won't your doctor treat you if you don't give up your SS number. Why can't you get credit without a SS number. Maybe you didn't show a card but you've given your number out countless times. What medicare card? I have an advantage plan and my "card" is from United Health Care. My SS# does not appear on that card anywhere. In fact there is nothing in my wallet with my SS# on it. How would you propose potential voters properly identify themselves? Certified birth certificate and a record of your marriages/divorces if you changed your name, just like you need for a driver's license since they came out with "real ID" (post 9-11) |
Bernie...
On 2/11/2016 10:54 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:44:11 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/11/2016 1:03 AM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:59:06 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/10/2016 4:51 PM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:14:29 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/10/2016 11:23 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: ....not my first choice, and I'm not sure 'Mericans are unbiased enough to vote a New York Jewish Democratic Socialist into office, but I don't have any serious policy issues with him, and this issue is certainly one I favor: Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders called for a constitutional amendment to automatically register all *eligible* voters during a Democratic candidate forum on Friday night. He said he wanted to see legislative reform or “maybe even a constitutional amendment that says that everybody in America who has 18 years of age or older is registered to vote, end of discussion.” Sanders blasted politicians who pass laws making it harder for people to register to vote. States across the country have passed new laws—most pushed by Republicans—that require a photo ID to register to vote or limit when people can register. “People who suppress the vote are political cowards and are undermining democracy,” Sanders told moderator and MSNBC host Rachel Maddow during the forum at Winthrop University in Rock Hill, South Carolina. “What the Republicans are doing is so un-American, it’s outrageous, it is beyond belief,” he said. “If they can’t face a free election, they should get another job.” In his many elections, Sanders said, “it has never occurred to me as a candidate to figure out the way to deny people the right to vote because they might vote against me.” - - - - - Sanders is spot-on...there's very little voter fraud in this country, and the only reason the Repubs are pushing for tougher laws is to limit the vote. I agree. Show your SS card and vote. No problem Where would I get that. I have not had a SS card since 1964 (when I lost my wallet in the Potomac). The SS card is not much of an ID anyway. Any kid with a color printer can make one. There is no biometric information on it at all. The last I heard a SS card, a "mica" and a birth certificate was about $500. Show up at a SS office and ask for one. Why? In over 50 years nobody has ever asked me to show it to them. (Not even when I started drawing my SS/MC) The one I had said right on it "Not for Identification" or words to that effect. Take the "A" off the end of your medicare number and what's left. Leave your SS number off your tax return and see what happens. Why won't your doctor treat you if you don't give up your SS number. Why can't you get credit without a SS number. Maybe you didn't show a card but you've given your number out countless times. What medicare card? I have an advantage plan and my "card" is from United Health Care. My SS# does not appear on that card anywhere. In fact there is nothing in my wallet with my SS# on it. How would you propose potential voters properly identify themselves? Certified birth certificate and a record of your marriages/divorces if you changed your name, just like you need for a driver's license since they came out with "real ID" (post 9-11) Assuming you are not illegal, your SS number is easily obtainable by just about anyone looking at your credit history, medical records, Medicare part A, B, D or Advantage. Even your dentist could recite it to you if you forget it. I hope you don't think your SS number is safe. |
Bernie...
wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:44:11 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/11/2016 1:03 AM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:59:06 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/10/2016 4:51 PM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:14:29 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/10/2016 11:23 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: ....not my first choice, and I'm not sure 'Mericans are unbiased enough to vote a New York Jewish Democratic Socialist into office, but I don't have any serious policy issues with him, and this issue is certainly one I favor: Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders called for a constitutional amendment to automatically register all *eligible* voters during a Democratic candidate forum on Friday night. He said he wanted to see legislative reform or “maybe even a constitutional amendment that says that everybody in America who has 18 years of age or older is registered to vote, end of discussion.” Sanders blasted politicians who pass laws making it harder for people to register to vote. States across the country have passed new laws—most pushed by Republicans—that require a photo ID to register to vote or limit when people can register. “People who suppress the vote are political cowards and are undermining democracy,” Sanders told moderator and MSNBC host Rachel Maddow during the forum at Winthrop University in Rock Hill, South Carolina. “What the Republicans are doing is so un-American, it’s outrageous, it is beyond belief,” he said. “If they can’t face a free election, they should get another job.” In his many elections, Sanders said, “it has never occurred to me as a candidate to figure out the way to deny people the right to vote because they might vote against me.” - - - - - Sanders is spot-on...there's very little voter fraud in this country, and the only reason the Repubs are pushing for tougher laws is to limit the vote. I agree. Show your SS card and vote. No problem Where would I get that. I have not had a SS card since 1964 (when I lost my wallet in the Potomac). The SS card is not much of an ID anyway. Any kid with a color printer can make one. There is no biometric information on it at all. The last I heard a SS card, a "mica" and a birth certificate was about $500. Show up at a SS office and ask for one. Why? In over 50 years nobody has ever asked me to show it to them. (Not even when I started drawing my SS/MC) The one I had said right on it "Not for Identification" or words to that effect. Take the "A" off the end of your medicare number and what's left. Leave your SS number off your tax return and see what happens. Why won't your doctor treat you if you don't give up your SS number. Why can't you get credit without a SS number. Maybe you didn't show a card but you've given your number out countless times. What medicare card? I have an advantage plan and my "card" is from United Health Care. My SS# does not appear on that card anywhere. In fact there is nothing in my wallet with my SS# on it. How would you propose potential voters properly identify themselves? Certified birth certificate and a record of your marriages/divorces if you changed your name, just like you need for a driver's license since they came out with "real ID" (post 9-11) You should have got a Medicare card when you turned 65. I have both the Medicare and the Unit d Healthcare card. And a drug card. |
Bernie...
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 11:11:09 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote: On 2/11/2016 10:54 AM, wrote: On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:44:11 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/11/2016 1:03 AM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:59:06 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/10/2016 4:51 PM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:14:29 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/10/2016 11:23 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: ....not my first choice, and I'm not sure 'Mericans are unbiased enough to vote a New York Jewish Democratic Socialist into office, but I don't have any serious policy issues with him, and this issue is certainly one I favor: Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders called for a constitutional amendment to automatically register all *eligible* voters during a Democratic candidate forum on Friday night. He said he wanted to see legislative reform or “maybe even a constitutional amendment that says that everybody in America who has 18 years of age or older is registered to vote, end of discussion.” Sanders blasted politicians who pass laws making it harder for people to register to vote. States across the country have passed new laws—most pushed by Republicans—that require a photo ID to register to vote or limit when people can register. “People who suppress the vote are political cowards and are undermining democracy,” Sanders told moderator and MSNBC host Rachel Maddow during the forum at Winthrop University in Rock Hill, South Carolina. “What the Republicans are doing is so un-American, it’s outrageous, it is beyond belief,” he said. “If they can’t face a free election, they should get another job.” In his many elections, Sanders said, “it has never occurred to me as a candidate to figure out the way to deny people the right to vote because they might vote against me.” - - - - - Sanders is spot-on...there's very little voter fraud in this country, and the only reason the Repubs are pushing for tougher laws is to limit the vote. I agree. Show your SS card and vote. No problem Where would I get that. I have not had a SS card since 1964 (when I lost my wallet in the Potomac). The SS card is not much of an ID anyway. Any kid with a color printer can make one. There is no biometric information on it at all. The last I heard a SS card, a "mica" and a birth certificate was about $500. Show up at a SS office and ask for one. Why? In over 50 years nobody has ever asked me to show it to them. (Not even when I started drawing my SS/MC) The one I had said right on it "Not for Identification" or words to that effect. Take the "A" off the end of your medicare number and what's left. Leave your SS number off your tax return and see what happens. Why won't your doctor treat you if you don't give up your SS number. Why can't you get credit without a SS number. Maybe you didn't show a card but you've given your number out countless times. What medicare card? I have an advantage plan and my "card" is from United Health Care. My SS# does not appear on that card anywhere. In fact there is nothing in my wallet with my SS# on it. How would you propose potential voters properly identify themselves? Certified birth certificate and a record of your marriages/divorces if you changed your name, just like you need for a driver's license since they came out with "real ID" (post 9-11) Assuming you are not illegal, your SS number is easily obtainable by just about anyone looking at your credit history, medical records, Medicare part A, B, D or Advantage. Even your dentist could recite it to you if you forget it. I hope you don't think your SS number is safe. I never said it was. I was simply pointing out the SS CARD is meaningless. |
Bernie...
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 09:36:55 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:
wrote: What medicare card? I have an advantage plan and my "card" is from United Health Care. My SS# does not appear on that card anywhere. In fact there is nothing in my wallet with my SS# on it. How would you propose potential voters properly identify themselves? Certified birth certificate and a record of your marriages/divorces if you changed your name, just like you need for a driver's license since they came out with "real ID" (post 9-11) You should have got a Medicare card when you turned 65. I have both the Medicare and the Unit d Healthcare card. And a drug card. I have the card but it is filed away somewhere because nobody ever asks to see it. It is with my IBM retiree card and other useless bits of paper. |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 2:02 PM, wrote: On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 09:36:55 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote: wrote: What medicare card? I have an advantage plan and my "card" is from United Health Care. My SS# does not appear on that card anywhere. In fact there is nothing in my wallet with my SS# on it. How would you propose potential voters properly identify themselves? Certified birth certificate and a record of your marriages/divorces if you changed your name, just like you need for a driver's license since they came out with "real ID" (post 9-11) You should have got a Medicare card when you turned 65. I have both the Medicare and the Unit d Healthcare card. And a drug card. I have the card but it is filed away somewhere because nobody ever asks to see it. It is with my IBM retiree card and other useless bits of paper. My SS card and my MD Voter Registration card, both paper cards and both falling apart, are in my wallet. No one has asked to see either, ever. I have been asked for the Medicare card at the hospital in Hawaii. |
Bernie...
On 2/11/2016 2:00 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 11:11:09 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/11/2016 10:54 AM, wrote: On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:44:11 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/11/2016 1:03 AM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:59:06 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/10/2016 4:51 PM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:14:29 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/10/2016 11:23 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: ....not my first choice, and I'm not sure 'Mericans are unbiased enough to vote a New York Jewish Democratic Socialist into office, but I don't have any serious policy issues with him, and this issue is certainly one I favor: Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders called for a constitutional amendment to automatically register all *eligible* voters during a Democratic candidate forum on Friday night. He said he wanted to see legislative reform or “maybe even a constitutional amendment that says that everybody in America who has 18 years of age or older is registered to vote, end of discussion.” Sanders blasted politicians who pass laws making it harder for people to register to vote. States across the country have passed new laws—most pushed by Republicans—that require a photo ID to register to vote or limit when people can register. “People who suppress the vote are political cowards and are undermining democracy,” Sanders told moderator and MSNBC host Rachel Maddow during the forum at Winthrop University in Rock Hill, South Carolina. “What the Republicans are doing is so un-American, it’s outrageous, it is beyond belief,” he said. “If they can’t face a free election, they should get another job.” In his many elections, Sanders said, “it has never occurred to me as a candidate to figure out the way to deny people the right to vote because they might vote against me.” - - - - - Sanders is spot-on...there's very little voter fraud in this country, and the only reason the Repubs are pushing for tougher laws is to limit the vote. I agree. Show your SS card and vote. No problem Where would I get that. I have not had a SS card since 1964 (when I lost my wallet in the Potomac). The SS card is not much of an ID anyway. Any kid with a color printer can make one. There is no biometric information on it at all. The last I heard a SS card, a "mica" and a birth certificate was about $500. Show up at a SS office and ask for one. Why? In over 50 years nobody has ever asked me to show it to them. (Not even when I started drawing my SS/MC) The one I had said right on it "Not for Identification" or words to that effect. Take the "A" off the end of your medicare number and what's left. Leave your SS number off your tax return and see what happens. Why won't your doctor treat you if you don't give up your SS number. Why can't you get credit without a SS number. Maybe you didn't show a card but you've given your number out countless times. What medicare card? I have an advantage plan and my "card" is from United Health Care. My SS# does not appear on that card anywhere. In fact there is nothing in my wallet with my SS# on it. How would you propose potential voters properly identify themselves? Certified birth certificate and a record of your marriages/divorces if you changed your name, just like you need for a driver's license since they came out with "real ID" (post 9-11) Assuming you are not illegal, your SS number is easily obtainable by just about anyone looking at your credit history, medical records, Medicare part A, B, D or Advantage. Even your dentist could recite it to you if you forget it. I hope you don't think your SS number is safe. I never said it was. I was simply pointing out the SS CARD is meaningless. So is a birth certificate. Look at the trouble BHO had convincing folks that his was legit. |
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Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/11/2016 2:09 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/11/16 2:02 PM, wrote: On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 09:36:55 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote: wrote: What medicare card? I have an advantage plan and my "card" is from United Health Care. My SS# does not appear on that card anywhere. In fact there is nothing in my wallet with my SS# on it. How would you propose potential voters properly identify themselves? Certified birth certificate and a record of your marriages/divorces if you changed your name, just like you need for a driver's license since they came out with "real ID" (post 9-11) You should have got a Medicare card when you turned 65. I have both the Medicare and the Unit d Healthcare card. And a drug card. I have the card but it is filed away somewhere because nobody ever asks to see it. It is with my IBM retiree card and other useless bits of paper. My SS card and my MD Voter Registration card, both paper cards and both falling apart, are in my wallet. No one has asked to see either, ever. How about your draft card? I did find my draft notice a couple years ago. |
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