What a joke ....
 

The contrast between the recent Democratic debate and the
Republican debate going on right now couldn't be more revealing.

Rubio is a joke. Not sure he even shaves yet.
Christie is struggling to remain viable by shooting his mouth off.
Cruz is trying to scare the **** out of everyone.
Trump just keep bragging about the company he built.
Carson ? Not exactly sure why he's even there.
Jeb and Kashich are probably the most sane but neither are
going anywhere.

The moderators screwed up the introductions. Then they completely
forgot about Kasich.

The moderators questions are speeches. They take more time
asking a question than the candidate has time to answer.
Rachel and Chuck Todd did an outstanding job in contrast at
the Democratic debate.

Anyway, the Democratic debate was how it's supposed to be done.
The moderators shut their mouths and allowed Hillary and Bernie
to go at it. They did, but maintained a professional respect for
each other.

What a joke ....
 

7:54 PMMr. Luddite
The contrast between the recent Democratic debate and the
Republican debate going on right now couldn't be more revealing.

Rubio is a joke. Not sure he even shaves yet.
Christie is struggling to remain viable by shooting his mouth off.
Cruz is trying to scare the **** out of everyone.
Trump just keep bragging about the company he built.
Carson ? Not exactly sure why he's even there.
Jeb and Kashich are probably the most sane but neither are
going anywhere.

The moderators screwed up the introductions. Then they completely
forgot about Kasich.

The moderators questions are speeches. They take more time
asking a question than the candidate has time to answer.
Rachel and Chuck Todd did an outstanding job in contrast at
the Democratic debate.

Anyway, the Democratic debate was how it's supposed to be done.
The moderators shut their mouths and allowed Hillary and Bernie
to go at it. They did, but maintained a professional respect for
each other.

-------

There was another debate tonight? Huh, I must have missed another one.

Oh well...

What a joke ....
 

On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 18:40:41 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

7:54 PMMr. Luddite
The contrast between the recent Democratic debate and the
Republican debate going on right now couldn't be more revealing.

Rubio is a joke. Not sure he even shaves yet.
Christie is struggling to remain viable by shooting his mouth off.
Cruz is trying to scare the **** out of everyone.
Trump just keep bragging about the company he built.
Carson ? Not exactly sure why he's even there.
Jeb and Kashich are probably the most sane but neither are
going anywhere.

The moderators screwed up the introductions. Then they completely
forgot about Kasich.

The moderators questions are speeches. They take more time
asking a question than the candidate has time to answer.
Rachel and Chuck Todd did an outstanding job in contrast at
the Democratic debate.

Anyway, the Democratic debate was how it's supposed to be done.
The moderators shut their mouths and allowed Hillary and Bernie
to go at it. They did, but maintained a professional respect for
each other.

-------

There was another debate tonight? Huh, I must have missed another one.

Oh well...

Yeah me too. Saturday night we were in the hot tub and dancing in the
tiki bar.

What a joke ....
 

On Sunday, February 7, 2016 at 1:15:29 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 18:40:41 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

7:54 PMMr. Luddite
The contrast between the recent Democratic debate and the
Republican debate going on right now couldn't be more revealing.

Rubio is a joke. Not sure he even shaves yet.
Christie is struggling to remain viable by shooting his mouth off.
Cruz is trying to scare the **** out of everyone.
Trump just keep bragging about the company he built.
Carson ? Not exactly sure why he's even there.
Jeb and Kashich are probably the most sane but neither are
going anywhere.

The moderators screwed up the introductions. Then they completely
forgot about Kasich.

The moderators questions are speeches. They take more time
asking a question than the candidate has time to answer.
Rachel and Chuck Todd did an outstanding job in contrast at
the Democratic debate.

Anyway, the Democratic debate was how it's supposed to be done.
The moderators shut their mouths and allowed Hillary and Bernie
to go at it. They did, but maintained a professional respect for
each other.

-------

There was another debate tonight? Huh, I must have missed another one.

Oh well...

Yeah me too. Saturday night we were in the hot tub and dancing in the
tiki bar.

That's called life and how your supposed to live it. Good for you!

What a joke ....
 

On 2/6/16 8:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
The contrast between the recent Democratic debate and the
Republican debate going on right now couldn't be more revealing.

Rubio is a joke. Not sure he even shaves yet.
Christie is struggling to remain viable by shooting his mouth off.
Cruz is trying to scare the **** out of everyone.
Trump just keep bragging about the company he built.
Carson ? Not exactly sure why he's even there.
Jeb and Kashich are probably the most sane but neither are
going anywhere.

The moderators screwed up the introductions. Then they completely
forgot about Kasich.

The moderators questions are speeches. They take more time
asking a question than the candidate has time to answer.
Rachel and Chuck Todd did an outstanding job in contrast at
the Democratic debate.

Anyway, the Democratic debate was how it's supposed to be done.
The moderators shut their mouths and allowed Hillary and Bernie
to go at it. They did, but maintained a professional respect for
each other.





I was planning to watch it...fortunately, I recorded it because I fell
asleep before it got to far. So I fast forwarded to find the highlights.
The only interesting part was when Jeb nailed Trump on eminent domain
responded like the asshole he is.

Like you, I don't know why Carson is there.

What a joke ....
 

On 2/6/16 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:
7:54 PMMr. Luddite
The contrast between the recent Democratic debate and the
Republican debate going on right now couldn't be more revealing.

Rubio is a joke. Not sure he even shaves yet.
Christie is struggling to remain viable by shooting his mouth off.
Cruz is trying to scare the **** out of everyone.
Trump just keep bragging about the company he built.
Carson ? Not exactly sure why he's even there.
Jeb and Kashich are probably the most sane but neither are
going anywhere.

The moderators screwed up the introductions. Then they completely
forgot about Kasich.

The moderators questions are speeches. They take more time
asking a question than the candidate has time to answer.
Rachel and Chuck Todd did an outstanding job in contrast at
the Democratic debate.

Anyway, the Democratic debate was how it's supposed to be done.
The moderators shut their mouths and allowed Hillary and Bernie
to go at it. They did, but maintained a professional respect for
each other.

-------

There was another debate tonight? Huh, I must have missed another one.

Oh well...


Since you have no interest in politics, it probably is best you watch
cartoons.

What a joke ....
 

On 2/7/2016 5:14 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/6/16 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:
7:54 PMMr. Luddite
The contrast between the recent Democratic debate and the
Republican debate going on right now couldn't be more revealing.

Rubio is a joke. Not sure he even shaves yet.
Christie is struggling to remain viable by shooting his mouth off.
Cruz is trying to scare the **** out of everyone.
Trump just keep bragging about the company he built.
Carson ? Not exactly sure why he's even there.
Jeb and Kashich are probably the most sane but neither are
going anywhere.

The moderators screwed up the introductions. Then they completely
forgot about Kasich.

The moderators questions are speeches. They take more time
asking a question than the candidate has time to answer.
Rachel and Chuck Todd did an outstanding job in contrast at
the Democratic debate.

Anyway, the Democratic debate was how it's supposed to be done.
The moderators shut their mouths and allowed Hillary and Bernie
to go at it. They did, but maintained a professional respect for
each other.

-------

There was another debate tonight? Huh, I must have missed another one.

Oh well...


Since you have no interest in politics, it probably is best you watch
cartoons.
There are alternatives to watching the boob tube. Perhaps Tim was
otherwise occupied in something more worthwhile.

What a joke ....
 

Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/7/2016 5:14 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/6/16 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:
7:54 PMMr. Luddite
The contrast between the recent Democratic debate and the
Republican debate going on right now couldn't be more revealing.

Rubio is a joke. Not sure he even shaves yet.
Christie is struggling to remain viable by shooting his mouth off.
Cruz is trying to scare the **** out of everyone.
Trump just keep bragging about the company he built.
Carson ? Not exactly sure why he's even there.
Jeb and Kashich are probably the most sane but neither are
going anywhere.

The moderators screwed up the introductions. Then they completely
forgot about Kasich.

The moderators questions are speeches. They take more time
asking a question than the candidate has time to answer.
Rachel and Chuck Todd did an outstanding job in contrast at
the Democratic debate.

Anyway, the Democratic debate was how it's supposed to be done.
The moderators shut their mouths and allowed Hillary and Bernie
to go at it. They did, but maintained a professional respect for
each other.

-------

There was another debate tonight? Huh, I must have missed another one.

Oh well...


Since you have no interest in politics, it probably is best you watch
cartoons.
There are alternatives to watching the boob tube. Perhaps Tim was
otherwise occupied in something more worthwhile.


The staged "debates' are political theater. Nothing really important is
going to come out of them. That went away after Perot cranked them up!

What a joke ....
 

On 2/7/2016 5:41 PM, Califbill wrote:
Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/7/2016 5:14 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/6/16 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:
7:54 PMMr. Luddite
The contrast between the recent Democratic debate and the
Republican debate going on right now couldn't be more revealing.

Rubio is a joke. Not sure he even shaves yet.
Christie is struggling to remain viable by shooting his mouth off.
Cruz is trying to scare the **** out of everyone.
Trump just keep bragging about the company he built.
Carson ? Not exactly sure why he's even there.
Jeb and Kashich are probably the most sane but neither are
going anywhere.

The moderators screwed up the introductions. Then they completely
forgot about Kasich.

The moderators questions are speeches. They take more time
asking a question than the candidate has time to answer.
Rachel and Chuck Todd did an outstanding job in contrast at
the Democratic debate.

Anyway, the Democratic debate was how it's supposed to be done.
The moderators shut their mouths and allowed Hillary and Bernie
to go at it. They did, but maintained a professional respect for
each other.

-------

There was another debate tonight? Huh, I must have missed another one.

Oh well...


Since you have no interest in politics, it probably is best you watch
cartoons.
There are alternatives to watching the boob tube. Perhaps Tim was
otherwise occupied in something more worthwhile.


The staged "debates' are political theater. Nothing really important is
going to come out of them. That went away after Perot cranked them up!


I generally agree with most of the debates, especially the series of
Republican ones this year because of the number of candidates. However,
the Democratic debate the other night with just Hillary and Bernie was
very good. Credit also goes to the moderators who didn't
try to share the limelight by making a speech as a question. Rachel and
Chuck Todd deserve kudos for a job well done. A subject was introduced
and then they shut up and let Bernie and Hillary hash it out.

What a joke ....
 

On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 17:23:41 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 2/7/2016 5:14 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/6/16 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:
7:54 PMMr. Luddite
The contrast between the recent Democratic debate and the
Republican debate going on right now couldn't be more revealing.

Rubio is a joke. Not sure he even shaves yet.
Christie is struggling to remain viable by shooting his mouth off.
Cruz is trying to scare the **** out of everyone.
Trump just keep bragging about the company he built.
Carson ? Not exactly sure why he's even there.
Jeb and Kashich are probably the most sane but neither are
going anywhere.

The moderators screwed up the introductions. Then they completely
forgot about Kasich.

The moderators questions are speeches. They take more time
asking a question than the candidate has time to answer.
Rachel and Chuck Todd did an outstanding job in contrast at
the Democratic debate.

Anyway, the Democratic debate was how it's supposed to be done.
The moderators shut their mouths and allowed Hillary and Bernie
to go at it. They did, but maintained a professional respect for
each other.

-------

There was another debate tonight? Huh, I must have missed another one.

Oh well...


Since you have no interest in politics, it probably is best you watch
cartoons.
There are alternatives to watching the boob tube. Perhaps Tim was
otherwise occupied in something more worthwhile.

There have been so many debates so far that none of these weasels have
enough new to say to make them worth watching.
They basically just repeat lines from their stump speech, whether it
answers the question or not.
Mowing the lawn would be more worthwhile, whether it needs it or not.

What a joke ....
 

On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 18:53:52 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


If it just got down to Trump and Cruz it would be interesting but I
imagine Cruz would win technically but Trump would win if you ask the
people who like him.
Sort of a "Blutto Blutarski goes to Harvard" thing.

What a joke ....
 

On Sunday, February 7, 2016 at 4:14:53 PM UTC-6, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/6/16 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:
7:54 PMMr. Luddite
The contrast between the recent Democratic debate and the
Republican debate going on right now couldn't be more revealing.

Rubio is a joke. Not sure he even shaves yet.
Christie is struggling to remain viable by shooting his mouth off.
Cruz is trying to scare the **** out of everyone.
Trump just keep bragging about the company he built.
Carson ? Not exactly sure why he's even there.
Jeb and Kashich are probably the most sane but neither are
going anywhere.

The moderators screwed up the introductions. Then they completely
forgot about Kasich.

The moderators questions are speeches. They take more time
asking a question than the candidate has time to answer.
Rachel and Chuck Todd did an outstanding job in contrast at
the Democratic debate.

Anyway, the Democratic debate was how it's supposed to be done.
The moderators shut their mouths and allowed Hillary and Bernie
to go at it. They did, but maintained a professional respect for
each other.

-------

There was another debate tonight? Huh, I must have missed another one.

Oh well...


Since you have no interest in politics, it probably is best you watch
cartoons.

Nice attempted jab there, Harry. But to answer your suggestion. I have to say that I can't. There haven't been any good cartoons since Jay Carney resigned.

What a joke ....
 

On Sunday, February 7, 2016 at 4:23:17 PM UTC-6, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/7/2016 5:14 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/6/16 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:
7:54 PMMr. Luddite
The contrast between the recent Democratic debate and the
Republican debate going on right now couldn't be more revealing.

Rubio is a joke. Not sure he even shaves yet.
Christie is struggling to remain viable by shooting his mouth off.
Cruz is trying to scare the **** out of everyone.
Trump just keep bragging about the company he built.
Carson ? Not exactly sure why he's even there.
Jeb and Kashich are probably the most sane but neither are
going anywhere.

The moderators screwed up the introductions. Then they completely
forgot about Kasich.

The moderators questions are speeches. They take more time
asking a question than the candidate has time to answer.
Rachel and Chuck Todd did an outstanding job in contrast at
the Democratic debate.

Anyway, the Democratic debate was how it's supposed to be done.
The moderators shut their mouths and allowed Hillary and Bernie
to go at it. They did, but maintained a professional respect for
each other.

-------

There was another debate tonight? Huh, I must have missed another one.

Oh well...


Since you have no interest in politics, it probably is best you watch
cartoons.
There are alternatives to watching the boob tube. Perhaps Tim was
otherwise occupied in something more worthwhile.

Yes, I did. Saturday evening I was working on my vintage Triumph Daytona 500. I'm wanting to get it running and polished out to go on this years Distinguished Gentlemans Ride. May as well ride in style.

http://www.gentlemansride.com/gallery

What a joke ....
 

On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 18:54:43 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


Yes, I did. Saturday evening I was working on my vintage Triumph Daytona 500. I'm wanting to get it running and polished out to go on this years Distinguished Gentlemans Ride. May as well ride in style.

http://www.gentlemansride.com/gallery

That is when you know you are old I guess. I remember when the Daytona
was the new beginner ride.. Later most of them were cut up into
"choppers" so a stock one might be "vintage" now. I think the Triumph
chopper thing was fairly short lived but a lot fell to the hands of
customizers in the 70s. Same is true of the big brother Bonneville.

What a joke ....
 

On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 1:15:26 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 18:54:43 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


Yes, I did. Saturday evening I was working on my vintage Triumph Daytona 500. I'm wanting to get it running and polished out to go on this years Distinguished Gentlemans Ride. May as well ride in style.

http://www.gentlemansride.com/gallery

That is when you know you are old I guess. I remember when the Daytona
was the new beginner ride.. Later most of them were cut up into
"choppers" so a stock one might be "vintage" now. I think the Triumph
chopper thing was fairly short lived but a lot fell to the hands of
customizers in the 70s. Same is true of the big brother Bonneville.

There's a lot of truth to that. Plus, they couldn't compete with the Japanese invasion of the 60's and 70's. because compared to the Japanese products, they were proven to be antiquated and inferior. Countless went to the scrap.

But there's plenty of parts available and they do have a certain cool factor to them besides- it's been sitting long enough so...

What a joke ....
 

On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 18:54:43 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Sunday, February 7, 2016 at 4:23:17 PM UTC-6, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/7/2016 5:14 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/6/16 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:
7:54 PMMr. Luddite
The contrast between the recent Democratic debate and the
Republican debate going on right now couldn't be more revealing.

Rubio is a joke. Not sure he even shaves yet.
Christie is struggling to remain viable by shooting his mouth off.
Cruz is trying to scare the **** out of everyone.
Trump just keep bragging about the company he built.
Carson ? Not exactly sure why he's even there.
Jeb and Kashich are probably the most sane but neither are
going anywhere.

The moderators screwed up the introductions. Then they completely
forgot about Kasich.

The moderators questions are speeches. They take more time
asking a question than the candidate has time to answer.
Rachel and Chuck Todd did an outstanding job in contrast at
the Democratic debate.

Anyway, the Democratic debate was how it's supposed to be done.
The moderators shut their mouths and allowed Hillary and Bernie
to go at it. They did, but maintained a professional respect for
each other.

-------

There was another debate tonight? Huh, I must have missed another one.

Oh well...


Since you have no interest in politics, it probably is best you watch
cartoons.
There are alternatives to watching the boob tube. Perhaps Tim was
otherwise occupied in something more worthwhile.

Yes, I did. Saturday evening I was working on my vintage Triumph Daytona 500. I'm wanting to get it running and polished out to go on this years Distinguished Gentlemans Ride. May as well ride in style.

http://www.gentlemansride.com/gallery

Look closely at the 'Jeremy Wyland' and 'Steve O'hara' photos and you'll see two Guzzis. What spectacular photography!
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

What a joke ....
 

On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 6:26:07 AM UTC-6, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 18:54:43 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Sunday, February 7, 2016 at 4:23:17 PM UTC-6, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/7/2016 5:14 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/6/16 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:
7:54 PMMr. Luddite
The contrast between the recent Democratic debate and the
Republican debate going on right now couldn't be more revealing.

Rubio is a joke. Not sure he even shaves yet.
Christie is struggling to remain viable by shooting his mouth off.
Cruz is trying to scare the **** out of everyone.
Trump just keep bragging about the company he built.
Carson ? Not exactly sure why he's even there.
Jeb and Kashich are probably the most sane but neither are
going anywhere.

The moderators screwed up the introductions. Then they completely
forgot about Kasich.

The moderators questions are speeches. They take more time
asking a question than the candidate has time to answer.
Rachel and Chuck Todd did an outstanding job in contrast at
the Democratic debate.

Anyway, the Democratic debate was how it's supposed to be done.
The moderators shut their mouths and allowed Hillary and Bernie
to go at it. They did, but maintained a professional respect for
each other.

-------

There was another debate tonight? Huh, I must have missed another one.

Oh well...


Since you have no interest in politics, it probably is best you watch
cartoons.
There are alternatives to watching the boob tube. Perhaps Tim was
otherwise occupied in something more worthwhile.

Yes, I did. Saturday evening I was working on my vintage Triumph Daytona 500. I'm wanting to get it running and polished out to go on this years Distinguished Gentlemans Ride. May as well ride in style.

http://www.gentlemansride.com/gallery

Look closely at the 'Jeremy Wyland' and 'Steve O'hara' photos and you'll see two Guzzis. What spectacular photography!
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Oh yes, that too. There's all makes and models that show up, but there's no reason to let my Triumph sit and rot away. It's a cool bike.

Not near as cool as Harry's Ducati, but still....

What a joke ....
 

On 2/8/2016 7:19 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 1:15:26 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 18:54:43 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


Yes, I did. Saturday evening I was working on my vintage Triumph Daytona 500. I'm wanting to get it running and polished out to go on this years Distinguished Gentlemans Ride. May as well ride in style.

http://www.gentlemansride.com/gallery

That is when you know you are old I guess. I remember when the Daytona
was the new beginner ride.. Later most of them were cut up into
"choppers" so a stock one might be "vintage" now. I think the Triumph
chopper thing was fairly short lived but a lot fell to the hands of
customizers in the 70s. Same is true of the big brother Bonneville.

There's a lot of truth to that. Plus, they couldn't compete with the Japanese invasion of the 60's and 70's. because compared to the Japanese products, they were proven to be antiquated and inferior. Countless went to the scrap.

But there's plenty of parts available and they do have a certain cool factor to them besides- it's been sitting long enough so...


Yup. The Japanese invasion pretty much killed off BSA and Norton here
also. The original Indian Motorcycle Co. folded in 1953. They only
produced about 1,000 military motorcycles in WWII whereas Harley
Davidson produced over 90,000. Even Harley ran into some problems
later leading to their purchase by AMF in 1969 who ruined their quality
and reputation. Fortunately, a group of investors led by Willie
Davidson bought the company from AMF in 1981 and refocused on quality.
They also accused the Japanese makers of flooding the US market with
cheap products and claimed that domestic motorcycles and the jobs their
manufacture created was endangered. Ronald Reagan took action to
protect the domestic manufacturers by imposing a 45% tariff on imported
motorcycles over 700cc's.
( Screw the "global market" BS :-) )

What a joke ....
 

3:15
On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 18:54:43 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


Yes, I did. Saturday evening I was working on my vintage Triumph Daytona 500. I'm wanting to get it running and polished out to go on this years Distinguished Gentlemans Ride. *May as well ride in style.

http://www.gentlemansride.com/gallery

"That is when you know you are old I guess. I remember when the Daytona
was the new beginner ride.. Later most of them were cut up into
"choppers" so a stock one might be "vintage" now. I think the Triumph
chopper thing was fairly short lived but a lot fell to the hands of
customizers in the 70s. Same is true of the big brother Bonneville"



Former next door neighbour had (has?) a late 60's Triumph Boonville. Got to drive it around the neighbourhood about 20 years ago. Used to see a lot of Triumphs and BSA's around the city when we were growing up. Lot of navy guys seemed to like them

What a joke ....
 

On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 04:39:14 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 6:26:07 AM UTC-6, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 18:54:43 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Sunday, February 7, 2016 at 4:23:17 PM UTC-6, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/7/2016 5:14 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/6/16 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:
7:54 PMMr. Luddite
The contrast between the recent Democratic debate and the
Republican debate going on right now couldn't be more revealing.

Rubio is a joke. Not sure he even shaves yet.
Christie is struggling to remain viable by shooting his mouth off.
Cruz is trying to scare the **** out of everyone.
Trump just keep bragging about the company he built.
Carson ? Not exactly sure why he's even there.
Jeb and Kashich are probably the most sane but neither are
going anywhere.

The moderators screwed up the introductions. Then they completely
forgot about Kasich.

The moderators questions are speeches. They take more time
asking a question than the candidate has time to answer.
Rachel and Chuck Todd did an outstanding job in contrast at
the Democratic debate.

Anyway, the Democratic debate was how it's supposed to be done.
The moderators shut their mouths and allowed Hillary and Bernie
to go at it. They did, but maintained a professional respect for
each other.

-------

There was another debate tonight? Huh, I must have missed another one.

Oh well...


Since you have no interest in politics, it probably is best you watch
cartoons.
There are alternatives to watching the boob tube. Perhaps Tim was
otherwise occupied in something more worthwhile.

Yes, I did. Saturday evening I was working on my vintage Triumph Daytona 500. I'm wanting to get it running and polished out to go on this years Distinguished Gentlemans Ride. May as well ride in style.

http://www.gentlemansride.com/gallery

Look closely at the 'Jeremy Wyland' and 'Steve O'hara' photos and you'll see two Guzzis. What spectacular photography!
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Oh yes, that too. There's all makes and models that show up, but there's no reason to let my Triumph sit and rot away. It's a cool bike.

Not near as cool as Harry's Ducati, but still....

===

And Harry's Ducati requires absolutely zero maintenance, burns no fuel
and is worth more than he paid for it. Well, two out of three
isn't bad. :-)

What a joke ....
 

On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 6:40:43 AM UTC-6, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/8/2016 7:19 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 1:15:26 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 18:54:43 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


Yes, I did. Saturday evening I was working on my vintage Triumph Daytona 500. I'm wanting to get it running and polished out to go on this years Distinguished Gentlemans Ride. May as well ride in style.

http://www.gentlemansride.com/gallery

That is when you know you are old I guess. I remember when the Daytona
was the new beginner ride.. Later most of them were cut up into
"choppers" so a stock one might be "vintage" now. I think the Triumph
chopper thing was fairly short lived but a lot fell to the hands of
customizers in the 70s. Same is true of the big brother Bonneville.

There's a lot of truth to that. Plus, they couldn't compete with the Japanese invasion of the 60's and 70's. because compared to the Japanese products, they were proven to be antiquated and inferior. Countless went to the scrap.

But there's plenty of parts available and they do have a certain cool factor to them besides- it's been sitting long enough so...


Yup. The Japanese invasion pretty much killed off BSA and Norton here
also. The original Indian Motorcycle Co. folded in 1953. They only
produced about 1,000 military motorcycles in WWII whereas Harley
Davidson produced over 90,000. Even Harley ran into some problems
later leading to their purchase by AMF in 1969 who ruined their quality
and reputation. Fortunately, a group of investors led by Willie
Davidson bought the company from AMF in 1981 and refocused on quality.
They also accused the Japanese makers of flooding the US market with
cheap products and claimed that domestic motorcycles and the jobs their
manufacture created was endangered. Ronald Reagan took action to
protect the domestic manufacturers by imposing a 45% tariff on imported
motorcycles over 700cc's.
( Screw the "global market" BS :-) )

I don't know if it was arrogance or stubbornness, but the rule applies, If you do what you do the way you've always done it then you can always expect the same results..

The Brits never thought of updating anything and continued year after year with the same models with the same ancestral problems No wonder they died. They couldn't figure out that the public could actually like a motorcycle that could perform, keep running more than a month at a time, and stayed clean.

Same with Harley Davidson . Willie G. Davidsons famous quote in 1969 was "Americans won't buy multi- cylinder motorcycles"

And that was about their last act of defiance....

What a joke ....
 

On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 6:26:07 AM UTC-6, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 18:54:43 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Sunday, February 7, 2016 at 4:23:17 PM UTC-6, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/7/2016 5:14 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/6/16 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:
7:54 PMMr. Luddite
The contrast between the recent Democratic debate and the
Republican debate going on right now couldn't be more revealing.

Rubio is a joke. Not sure he even shaves yet.
Christie is struggling to remain viable by shooting his mouth off.
Cruz is trying to scare the **** out of everyone.
Trump just keep bragging about the company he built.
Carson ? Not exactly sure why he's even there.
Jeb and Kashich are probably the most sane but neither are
going anywhere.

The moderators screwed up the introductions. Then they completely
forgot about Kasich.

The moderators questions are speeches. They take more time
asking a question than the candidate has time to answer.
Rachel and Chuck Todd did an outstanding job in contrast at
the Democratic debate.

Anyway, the Democratic debate was how it's supposed to be done.
The moderators shut their mouths and allowed Hillary and Bernie
to go at it. They did, but maintained a professional respect for
each other.

-------

There was another debate tonight? Huh, I must have missed another one.

Oh well...


Since you have no interest in politics, it probably is best you watch
cartoons.
There are alternatives to watching the boob tube. Perhaps Tim was
otherwise occupied in something more worthwhile.

Yes, I did. Saturday evening I was working on my vintage Triumph Daytona 500. I'm wanting to get it running and polished out to go on this years Distinguished Gentlemans Ride. May as well ride in style.

http://www.gentlemansride.com/gallery

Look closely at the 'Jeremy Wyland' and 'Steve O'hara' photos and you'll see two Guzzis. What spectacular photography!
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

John you ought to consider going on a DGR , I'm sure they have one in DC. Besides its for a good cause too!

What a joke ....
 

On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 05:24:33 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 6:26:07 AM UTC-6, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 18:54:43 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Sunday, February 7, 2016 at 4:23:17 PM UTC-6, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/7/2016 5:14 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/6/16 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:
7:54 PMMr. Luddite
The contrast between the recent Democratic debate and the
Republican debate going on right now couldn't be more revealing.

Rubio is a joke. Not sure he even shaves yet.
Christie is struggling to remain viable by shooting his mouth off.
Cruz is trying to scare the **** out of everyone.
Trump just keep bragging about the company he built.
Carson ? Not exactly sure why he's even there.
Jeb and Kashich are probably the most sane but neither are
going anywhere.

The moderators screwed up the introductions. Then they completely
forgot about Kasich.

The moderators questions are speeches. They take more time
asking a question than the candidate has time to answer.
Rachel and Chuck Todd did an outstanding job in contrast at
the Democratic debate.

Anyway, the Democratic debate was how it's supposed to be done.
The moderators shut their mouths and allowed Hillary and Bernie
to go at it. They did, but maintained a professional respect for
each other.

-------

There was another debate tonight? Huh, I must have missed another one.

Oh well...


Since you have no interest in politics, it probably is best you watch
cartoons.
There are alternatives to watching the boob tube. Perhaps Tim was
otherwise occupied in something more worthwhile.

Yes, I did. Saturday evening I was working on my vintage Triumph Daytona 500. I'm wanting to get it running and polished out to go on this years Distinguished Gentlemans Ride. May as well ride in style.

http://www.gentlemansride.com/gallery

Look closely at the 'Jeremy Wyland' and 'Steve O'hara' photos and you'll see two Guzzis. What spectacular photography!
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

John you ought to consider going on a DGR , I'm sure they have one in DC. Besides its for a good cause too!

I'm on the list to be notified when registration opens. Right now I have no trips planned for 25
Sep, so that'll give me something to do. I just put this guy in yesterday. Hope it lasts 'til
September! Last one made it two years.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/EverStart-...ttery/16795214

I'll take the topcase and bags off my bike for the ride. Don't want that Guzzi to look too
'splashy'. More like this: http://motoprofi.com/imgs/a/a/g/x/y/...1992_1_lgw.jpg

Wonder if there'll be any Ducatis there?
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

What a joke ....
 

On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 7:49:01 AM UTC-6, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 05:24:33 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 6:26:07 AM UTC-6, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 18:54:43 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Sunday, February 7, 2016 at 4:23:17 PM UTC-6, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/7/2016 5:14 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/6/16 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:
7:54 PMMr. Luddite
The contrast between the recent Democratic debate and the
Republican debate going on right now couldn't be more revealing.

Rubio is a joke. Not sure he even shaves yet.
Christie is struggling to remain viable by shooting his mouth off.
Cruz is trying to scare the **** out of everyone.
Trump just keep bragging about the company he built.
Carson ? Not exactly sure why he's even there.
Jeb and Kashich are probably the most sane but neither are
going anywhere.

The moderators screwed up the introductions. Then they completely
forgot about Kasich.

The moderators questions are speeches. They take more time
asking a question than the candidate has time to answer.
Rachel and Chuck Todd did an outstanding job in contrast at
the Democratic debate.

Anyway, the Democratic debate was how it's supposed to be done.
The moderators shut their mouths and allowed Hillary and Bernie
to go at it. They did, but maintained a professional respect for
each other.

-------

There was another debate tonight? Huh, I must have missed another one.

Oh well...


Since you have no interest in politics, it probably is best you watch
cartoons.
There are alternatives to watching the boob tube. Perhaps Tim was
otherwise occupied in something more worthwhile.

Yes, I did. Saturday evening I was working on my vintage Triumph Daytona 500. I'm wanting to get it running and polished out to go on this years Distinguished Gentlemans Ride. May as well ride in style.

http://www.gentlemansride.com/gallery

Look closely at the 'Jeremy Wyland' and 'Steve O'hara' photos and you'll see two Guzzis. What spectacular photography!
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

John you ought to consider going on a DGR , I'm sure they have one in DC.. Besides its for a good cause too!

I'm on the list to be notified when registration opens. Right now I have no trips planned for 25
Sep, so that'll give me something to do. I just put this guy in yesterday.. Hope it lasts 'til
September! Last one made it two years.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/EverStart-...ttery/16795214

I'll take the topcase and bags off my bike for the ride. Don't want that Guzzi to look too
'splashy'. More like this: http://motoprofi.com/imgs/a/a/g/x/y/...1992_1_lgw.jpg

Wonder if there'll be any Ducatis there?
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

My battery is dead too. so I'll be doing the lawnmower thing as well. No need to put a good one in a seasonal bike.

Concerning a Ducati in the DGR, There might be but I doubt if it'd have a Maryland license plate.

What a joke ....
 

Tim wrote:
On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 7:49:01 AM UTC-6, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 05:24:33 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 6:26:07 AM UTC-6, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 18:54:43 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Sunday, February 7, 2016 at 4:23:17 PM UTC-6, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/7/2016 5:14 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/6/16 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:
7:54 PMMr. Luddite
The contrast between the recent Democratic debate and the
Republican debate going on right now couldn't be more revealing.

Rubio is a joke. Not sure he even shaves yet.
Christie is struggling to remain viable by shooting his mouth off.
Cruz is trying to scare the **** out of everyone.
Trump just keep bragging about the company he built.
Carson ? Not exactly sure why he's even there.
Jeb and Kashich are probably the most sane but neither are
going anywhere.

The moderators screwed up the introductions. Then they completely
forgot about Kasich.

The moderators questions are speeches. They take more time
asking a question than the candidate has time to answer.
Rachel and Chuck Todd did an outstanding job in contrast at
the Democratic debate.

Anyway, the Democratic debate was how it's supposed to be done.
The moderators shut their mouths and allowed Hillary and Bernie
to go at it. They did, but maintained a professional respect for
each other.

-------

There was another debate tonight? Huh, I must have missed another one.

Oh well...


Since you have no interest in politics, it probably is best you watch
cartoons.
There are alternatives to watching the boob tube. Perhaps Tim was
otherwise occupied in something more worthwhile.

Yes, I did. Saturday evening I was working on my vintage Triumph
Daytona 500. I'm wanting to get it running and polished out to go on
this years Distinguished Gentlemans Ride. May as well ride in style.

http://www.gentlemansride.com/gallery

Look closely at the 'Jeremy Wyland' and 'Steve O'hara' photos and
you'll see two Guzzis. What spectacular photography!
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

John you ought to consider going on a DGR , I'm sure they have one in
DC. Besides its for a good cause too!

I'm on the list to be notified when registration opens. Right now I have
no trips planned for 25
Sep, so that'll give me something to do. I just put this guy in
yesterday. Hope it lasts 'til
September! Last one made it two years.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/EverStart-...ttery/16795214

I'll take the topcase and bags off my bike for the ride. Don't want that Guzzi to look too
'splashy'. More like this:
http://motoprofi.com/imgs/a/a/g/x/y/...1992_1_lgw.jpg

Wonder if there'll be any Ducatis there?
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

My battery is dead too. so I'll be doing the lawnmower thing as well. No
need to put a good one in a seasonal bike.

Concerning a Ducati in the DGR, There might be but I doubt if it'd have a
Maryland license plate.


dgr? Dead guys ride?

--
Sent from my iPhone 6+

What a joke ....
 

8:03 AMKeyser Söze
Tim wrote:
On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 7:49:01 AM UTC-6, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 05:24:33 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 6:26:07 AM UTC-6, John H. wrote:
- show quoted text -
dgr? Dead guys ride?

--
Sent from my iPhone 6+
....

No, just the opposite. It's to help keep guys from dying by raising money for prostate cancer research

What a joke ....
 

On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 07:40:40 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Yup. The Japanese invasion pretty much killed off BSA and Norton here
also. The original Indian Motorcycle Co. folded in 1953. They only
produced about 1,000 military motorcycles in WWII whereas Harley
Davidson produced over 90,000. Even Harley ran into some problems
later leading to their purchase by AMF in 1969 who ruined their quality
and reputation. Fortunately, a group of investors led by Willie
Davidson bought the company from AMF in 1981 and refocused on quality.
They also accused the Japanese makers of flooding the US market with
cheap products and claimed that domestic motorcycles and the jobs their
manufacture created was endangered. Ronald Reagan took action to
protect the domestic manufacturers by imposing a 45% tariff on imported
motorcycles over 700cc's.
( Screw the "global market" BS :-) )

We started seeing the AMF problems in 71.. Probably the worst problem
was in the 74 Sportster where the rear fork was bending and the seat
mounting bolt would wear a groove in the rear tire. The fix was
welding a couple struts in to hold it up.
The 71 and 72 Superglides had excessive flex in the fork tubes because
they were using the Sportster front end on an FL frame. They ate
seals.
In 71 they also changed the spec for the main shaft bearing in the
FL/FX transmission (did not account for thrust load) and they went
bad.
There were lots of growing pains in the early AMF years.
It was a good time to be a Harley mechanic tho ;-)

What a joke ....
 

On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 10:18:07 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 07:40:40 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Yup. The Japanese invasion pretty much killed off BSA and Norton here
also. The original Indian Motorcycle Co. folded in 1953. They only
produced about 1,000 military motorcycles in WWII whereas Harley
Davidson produced over 90,000. Even Harley ran into some problems
later leading to their purchase by AMF in 1969 who ruined their quality
and reputation. Fortunately, a group of investors led by Willie
Davidson bought the company from AMF in 1981 and refocused on quality.
They also accused the Japanese makers of flooding the US market with
cheap products and claimed that domestic motorcycles and the jobs their
manufacture created was endangered. Ronald Reagan took action to
protect the domestic manufacturers by imposing a 45% tariff on imported
motorcycles over 700cc's.
( Screw the "global market" BS :-) )

We started seeing the AMF problems in 71.. Probably the worst problem
was in the 74 Sportster where the rear fork was bending and the seat
mounting bolt would wear a groove in the rear tire. The fix was
welding a couple struts in to hold it up.
The 71 and 72 Superglides had excessive flex in the fork tubes because
they were using the Sportster front end on an FL frame. They ate
seals.
In 71 they also changed the spec for the main shaft bearing in the
FL/FX transmission (did not account for thrust load) and they went
bad.
There were lots of growing pains in the early AMF years.
It was a good time to be a Harley mechanic tho ;-)

Harley was good about putting out scrap those years. A friend of mine worked for AMF and got an 80 Glide at cost. (benefit of the company) and it always smoked. Finally a dealer tore it down and it had rings missing on the back piston.

The thing always dripped oil and the speedo was way off. All from the factory.

BTW, yes the Superglide front forks. A lot of them starting cracking right below the triple tree. It's amazing how some feel that HD is still such a glorious motorcycle. Then again, the "Big four" Japanese have had models to copy HD's for years. go figure

What a joke ....
 

On 2/10/2016 10:10 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 10:18:07 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 07:40:40 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Yup. The Japanese invasion pretty much killed off BSA and Norton here
also. The original Indian Motorcycle Co. folded in 1953. They only
produced about 1,000 military motorcycles in WWII whereas Harley
Davidson produced over 90,000. Even Harley ran into some problems
later leading to their purchase by AMF in 1969 who ruined their quality
and reputation. Fortunately, a group of investors led by Willie
Davidson bought the company from AMF in 1981 and refocused on quality.
They also accused the Japanese makers of flooding the US market with
cheap products and claimed that domestic motorcycles and the jobs their
manufacture created was endangered. Ronald Reagan took action to
protect the domestic manufacturers by imposing a 45% tariff on imported
motorcycles over 700cc's.
( Screw the "global market" BS :-) )

We started seeing the AMF problems in 71.. Probably the worst problem
was in the 74 Sportster where the rear fork was bending and the seat
mounting bolt would wear a groove in the rear tire. The fix was
welding a couple struts in to hold it up.
The 71 and 72 Superglides had excessive flex in the fork tubes because
they were using the Sportster front end on an FL frame. They ate
seals.
In 71 they also changed the spec for the main shaft bearing in the
FL/FX transmission (did not account for thrust load) and they went
bad.
There were lots of growing pains in the early AMF years.
It was a good time to be a Harley mechanic tho ;-)

Harley was good about putting out scrap those years. A friend of mine worked for AMF and got an 80 Glide at cost. (benefit of the company) and it always smoked. Finally a dealer tore it down and it had rings missing on the back piston.

The thing always dripped oil and the speedo was way off. All from the factory.

BTW, yes the Superglide front forks. A lot of them starting cracking right below the triple tree. It's amazing how some feel that HD is still such a glorious motorcycle. Then again, the "Big four" Japanese have had models to copy HD's for years. go figure

The Shadow ACE Missed the mark as a copy. It turned out to be a decent
motorcycle. My wife had one.

What a joke ....
 

On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 07:10:15 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 10:18:07 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 07:40:40 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Yup. The Japanese invasion pretty much killed off BSA and Norton here
also. The original Indian Motorcycle Co. folded in 1953. They only
produced about 1,000 military motorcycles in WWII whereas Harley
Davidson produced over 90,000. Even Harley ran into some problems
later leading to their purchase by AMF in 1969 who ruined their quality
and reputation. Fortunately, a group of investors led by Willie
Davidson bought the company from AMF in 1981 and refocused on quality.
They also accused the Japanese makers of flooding the US market with
cheap products and claimed that domestic motorcycles and the jobs their
manufacture created was endangered. Ronald Reagan took action to
protect the domestic manufacturers by imposing a 45% tariff on imported
motorcycles over 700cc's.
( Screw the "global market" BS :-) )

We started seeing the AMF problems in 71.. Probably the worst problem
was in the 74 Sportster where the rear fork was bending and the seat
mounting bolt would wear a groove in the rear tire. The fix was
welding a couple struts in to hold it up.
The 71 and 72 Superglides had excessive flex in the fork tubes because
they were using the Sportster front end on an FL frame. They ate
seals.
In 71 they also changed the spec for the main shaft bearing in the
FL/FX transmission (did not account for thrust load) and they went
bad.
There were lots of growing pains in the early AMF years.
It was a good time to be a Harley mechanic tho ;-)

Harley was good about putting out scrap those years. A friend of mine worked for AMF and got an 80 Glide at cost. (benefit of the company) and it always smoked. Finally a dealer tore it down and it had rings missing on the back piston.

Typical UAW workers before the japs handed them their ass.

The thing always dripped oil and the speedo was way off. All from the factory.

Harleys are supposed to "drip oil". If it is excessive, back off on
the chain oiler.
Lots of guys turned it off completely but they usually did not
manually oil the chain and ended up with bad chains and sprockets.

BTW, yes the Superglide front forks. A lot of them starting cracking right below the triple tree. It's amazing how some feel that HD is still such a glorious motorcycle. Then again, the "Big four" Japanese have had models to copy HD's for years. go figure

Harley was always a state of mind thing more than just owning the most
high tech bike. The old ones also had the advantage that they did use
a lot of off the shelf industrial parts so you might find what you
needed in a feed store in fumbuck idaho. (AKA "tractor parts").

I used to have a pretty good list of parts that were generic "counter
store" items. They were always going to be less than the dealer and in
a lot of cases very much less.

What a joke ....
 

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 9:40:16 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 07:10:15 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 10:18:07 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 07:40:40 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Yup. The Japanese invasion pretty much killed off BSA and Norton here
also. The original Indian Motorcycle Co. folded in 1953. They only
produced about 1,000 military motorcycles in WWII whereas Harley
Davidson produced over 90,000. Even Harley ran into some problems
later leading to their purchase by AMF in 1969 who ruined their quality
and reputation. Fortunately, a group of investors led by Willie
Davidson bought the company from AMF in 1981 and refocused on quality..
They also accused the Japanese makers of flooding the US market with
cheap products and claimed that domestic motorcycles and the jobs their
manufacture created was endangered. Ronald Reagan took action to
protect the domestic manufacturers by imposing a 45% tariff on imported
motorcycles over 700cc's.
( Screw the "global market" BS :-) )

We started seeing the AMF problems in 71.. Probably the worst problem
was in the 74 Sportster where the rear fork was bending and the seat
mounting bolt would wear a groove in the rear tire. The fix was
welding a couple struts in to hold it up.
The 71 and 72 Superglides had excessive flex in the fork tubes because
they were using the Sportster front end on an FL frame. They ate
seals.
In 71 they also changed the spec for the main shaft bearing in the
FL/FX transmission (did not account for thrust load) and they went
bad.
There were lots of growing pains in the early AMF years.
It was a good time to be a Harley mechanic tho ;-)

Harley was good about putting out scrap those years. A friend of mine worked for AMF and got an 80 Glide at cost. (benefit of the company) and it always smoked. Finally a dealer tore it down and it had rings missing on the back piston.

Typical UAW workers before the japs handed them their ass.

The thing always dripped oil and the speedo was way off. All from the factory.

Harleys are supposed to "drip oil". If it is excessive, back off on
the chain oiler.
Lots of guys turned it off completely but they usually did not
manually oil the chain and ended up with bad chains and sprockets.

BTW, yes the Superglide front forks. A lot of them starting cracking right below the triple tree. It's amazing how some feel that HD is still such a glorious motorcycle. Then again, the "Big four" Japanese have had models to copy HD's for years. go figure

Harley was always a state of mind thing more than just owning the most
high tech bike. The old ones also had the advantage that they did use
a lot of off the shelf industrial parts so you might find what you
needed in a feed store in fumbuck idaho. (AKA "tractor parts").

I used to have a pretty good list of parts that were generic "counter
store" items. They were always going to be less than the dealer and in
a lot of cases very much less.

"Harleys are supposed to "drip oil". "

Not from the bottom of the crank case and front head...

What a joke ....
 

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 9:40:16 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 07:10:15 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 10:18:07 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 07:40:40 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Yup. The Japanese invasion pretty much killed off BSA and Norton here
also. The original Indian Motorcycle Co. folded in 1953. They only
produced about 1,000 military motorcycles in WWII whereas Harley
Davidson produced over 90,000. Even Harley ran into some problems
later leading to their purchase by AMF in 1969 who ruined their quality
and reputation. Fortunately, a group of investors led by Willie
Davidson bought the company from AMF in 1981 and refocused on quality.
They also accused the Japanese makers of flooding the US market with
cheap products and claimed that domestic motorcycles and the jobs their
manufacture created was endangered. Ronald Reagan took action to
protect the domestic manufacturers by imposing a 45% tariff on imported
motorcycles over 700cc's.
( Screw the "global market" BS :-) )

We started seeing the AMF problems in 71.. Probably the worst problem
was in the 74 Sportster where the rear fork was bending and the seat
mounting bolt would wear a groove in the rear tire. The fix was
welding a couple struts in to hold it up.
The 71 and 72 Superglides had excessive flex in the fork tubes because
they were using the Sportster front end on an FL frame. They ate
seals.
In 71 they also changed the spec for the main shaft bearing in the
FL/FX transmission (did not account for thrust load) and they went
bad.
There were lots of growing pains in the early AMF years.
It was a good time to be a Harley mechanic tho ;-)

Harley was good about putting out scrap those years. A friend of mine worked for AMF and got an 80 Glide at cost. (benefit of the company) and it always smoked. Finally a dealer tore it down and it had rings missing on the back piston.

Typical UAW workers before the japs handed them their ass.



Same thing happened to big 3 automakers at that same time frame. interesting..

What a joke ....
 

On 2/10/16 10:10 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 10:18:07 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 07:40:40 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Yup. The Japanese invasion pretty much killed off BSA and Norton here
also. The original Indian Motorcycle Co. folded in 1953. They only
produced about 1,000 military motorcycles in WWII whereas Harley
Davidson produced over 90,000. Even Harley ran into some problems
later leading to their purchase by AMF in 1969 who ruined their quality
and reputation. Fortunately, a group of investors led by Willie
Davidson bought the company from AMF in 1981 and refocused on quality.
They also accused the Japanese makers of flooding the US market with
cheap products and claimed that domestic motorcycles and the jobs their
manufacture created was endangered. Ronald Reagan took action to
protect the domestic manufacturers by imposing a 45% tariff on imported
motorcycles over 700cc's.
( Screw the "global market" BS :-) )

We started seeing the AMF problems in 71.. Probably the worst problem
was in the 74 Sportster where the rear fork was bending and the seat
mounting bolt would wear a groove in the rear tire. The fix was
welding a couple struts in to hold it up.
The 71 and 72 Superglides had excessive flex in the fork tubes because
they were using the Sportster front end on an FL frame. They ate
seals.
In 71 they also changed the spec for the main shaft bearing in the
FL/FX transmission (did not account for thrust load) and they went
bad.
There were lots of growing pains in the early AMF years.
It was a good time to be a Harley mechanic tho ;-)

Harley was good about putting out scrap those years. A friend of mine worked for AMF and got an 80 Glide at cost. (benefit of the company) and it always smoked. Finally a dealer tore it down and it had rings missing on the back piston.

The thing always dripped oil and the speedo was way off. All from the factory.

BTW, yes the Superglide front forks. A lot of them starting cracking right below the triple tree. It's amazing how some feel that HD is still such a glorious motorcycle. Then again, the "Big four" Japanese have had models to copy HD's for years. go figure


Back in the good old days, when I was in college in Kansas, I had the
used Honda motorcycle I bought with some of my summer earnings back east
shipped out to Dorothy's state. Well, "the guys" with their Triumphs,
BSAs, Harleys, et cetera, laughed at my poor little two cylinder Honda,
but, unlike their bikes, the Honda started easily every time, didn't
leak oil, and ran smoothly. There weren't many Hondas out there in
Kansas at that time. :)

What a joke ....
 

On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 08:01:51 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 9:40:16 AM UTC-6, wrote:


"Harleys are supposed to "drip oil". "

Not from the bottom of the crank case and front head...

If they were not assembled right the push rod tubes would leak.

What a joke ....
 

On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 11:18:16 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/10/16 10:10 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 10:18:07 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 07:40:40 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Yup. The Japanese invasion pretty much killed off BSA and Norton here
also. The original Indian Motorcycle Co. folded in 1953. They only
produced about 1,000 military motorcycles in WWII whereas Harley
Davidson produced over 90,000. Even Harley ran into some problems
later leading to their purchase by AMF in 1969 who ruined their quality
and reputation. Fortunately, a group of investors led by Willie
Davidson bought the company from AMF in 1981 and refocused on quality.
They also accused the Japanese makers of flooding the US market with
cheap products and claimed that domestic motorcycles and the jobs their
manufacture created was endangered. Ronald Reagan took action to
protect the domestic manufacturers by imposing a 45% tariff on imported
motorcycles over 700cc's.
( Screw the "global market" BS :-) )

We started seeing the AMF problems in 71.. Probably the worst problem
was in the 74 Sportster where the rear fork was bending and the seat
mounting bolt would wear a groove in the rear tire. The fix was
welding a couple struts in to hold it up.
The 71 and 72 Superglides had excessive flex in the fork tubes because
they were using the Sportster front end on an FL frame. They ate
seals.
In 71 they also changed the spec for the main shaft bearing in the
FL/FX transmission (did not account for thrust load) and they went
bad.
There were lots of growing pains in the early AMF years.
It was a good time to be a Harley mechanic tho ;-)

Harley was good about putting out scrap those years. A friend of mine worked for AMF and got an 80 Glide at cost. (benefit of the company) and it always smoked. Finally a dealer tore it down and it had rings missing on the back piston.

The thing always dripped oil and the speedo was way off. All from the factory.

BTW, yes the Superglide front forks. A lot of them starting cracking right below the triple tree. It's amazing how some feel that HD is still such a glorious motorcycle. Then again, the "Big four" Japanese have had models to copy HD's for years. go figure


Back in the good old days, when I was in college in Kansas, I had the
used Honda motorcycle I bought with some of my summer earnings back east
shipped out to Dorothy's state. Well, "the guys" with their Triumphs,
BSAs, Harleys, et cetera, laughed at my poor little two cylinder Honda,
but, unlike their bikes, the Honda started easily every time, didn't
leak oil, and ran smoothly. There weren't many Hondas out there in
Kansas at that time. :)

Most F series Harleys were "one kick" bikes if you knew how to start
one. They did have a problem with the late 60s Sportsters that had the
magneto. The guys who rode them usually walked with a limp because the
kicker ratchet wore out and they had a habit of just "falling
through". You had to really be sure it caught before you stood on it.

I did have a 350 Honda for a while but it was pretty uninspiring. I
bought it in 20 boxes, put it together and doubled my money when I
sold it. It was about like the 350 Yamaha I bought after a wreck,
fixed and sold but a bit slower.

What a joke ....
 

On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 07:10:15 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 10:18:07 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 07:40:40 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Yup. The Japanese invasion pretty much killed off BSA and Norton here
also. The original Indian Motorcycle Co. folded in 1953. They only
produced about 1,000 military motorcycles in WWII whereas Harley
Davidson produced over 90,000. Even Harley ran into some problems
later leading to their purchase by AMF in 1969 who ruined their quality
and reputation. Fortunately, a group of investors led by Willie
Davidson bought the company from AMF in 1981 and refocused on quality.
They also accused the Japanese makers of flooding the US market with
cheap products and claimed that domestic motorcycles and the jobs their
manufacture created was endangered. Ronald Reagan took action to
protect the domestic manufacturers by imposing a 45% tariff on imported
motorcycles over 700cc's.
( Screw the "global market" BS :-) )

We started seeing the AMF problems in 71.. Probably the worst problem
was in the 74 Sportster where the rear fork was bending and the seat
mounting bolt would wear a groove in the rear tire. The fix was
welding a couple struts in to hold it up.
The 71 and 72 Superglides had excessive flex in the fork tubes because
they were using the Sportster front end on an FL frame. They ate
seals.
In 71 they also changed the spec for the main shaft bearing in the
FL/FX transmission (did not account for thrust load) and they went
bad.
There were lots of growing pains in the early AMF years.
It was a good time to be a Harley mechanic tho ;-)

Harley was good about putting out scrap those years. A friend of mine worked for AMF and got an 80 Glide at cost. (benefit of the company) and it always smoked. Finally a dealer tore it down and it had rings missing on the back piston.

The thing always dripped oil and the speedo was way off. All from the factory.

BTW, yes the Superglide front forks. A lot of them starting cracking right below the triple tree. It's amazing how some feel that HD is still such a glorious motorcycle. Then again, the "Big four" Japanese have had models to copy HD's for years. go figure

I don't like any of the 'cruiser' style bikes, even those made by Moto Guzzi.
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns!

What a joke ....
 

On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 11:18:16 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Back in the good old days, when I was in college in Kansas, I had the
used Honda motorcycle I bought with some of my summer earnings back east
shipped out to Dorothy's state. Well, "the guys" with their Triumphs,
BSAs, Harleys, et cetera, laughed at my poor little two cylinder Honda,
but, unlike their bikes, the Honda started easily every time, didn't
leak oil, and ran smoothly. There weren't many Hondas out there in
Kansas at that time. :)

===

You of all people bought a non-union made bike? How very
disappointing that you don't walk the talk, but why am I not
surprised.

What a joke ....
 

On 2/10/2016 11:01 AM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 9:40:16 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 07:10:15 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 10:18:07 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 07:40:40 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Yup. The Japanese invasion pretty much killed off BSA and Norton here
also. The original Indian Motorcycle Co. folded in 1953. They only
produced about 1,000 military motorcycles in WWII whereas Harley
Davidson produced over 90,000. Even Harley ran into some problems
later leading to their purchase by AMF in 1969 who ruined their quality
and reputation. Fortunately, a group of investors led by Willie
Davidson bought the company from AMF in 1981 and refocused on quality.
They also accused the Japanese makers of flooding the US market with
cheap products and claimed that domestic motorcycles and the jobs their
manufacture created was endangered. Ronald Reagan took action to
protect the domestic manufacturers by imposing a 45% tariff on imported
motorcycles over 700cc's.
( Screw the "global market" BS :-) )

We started seeing the AMF problems in 71.. Probably the worst problem
was in the 74 Sportster where the rear fork was bending and the seat
mounting bolt would wear a groove in the rear tire. The fix was
welding a couple struts in to hold it up.
The 71 and 72 Superglides had excessive flex in the fork tubes because
they were using the Sportster front end on an FL frame. They ate
seals.
In 71 they also changed the spec for the main shaft bearing in the
FL/FX transmission (did not account for thrust load) and they went
bad.
There were lots of growing pains in the early AMF years.
It was a good time to be a Harley mechanic tho ;-)

Harley was good about putting out scrap those years. A friend of mine worked for AMF and got an 80 Glide at cost. (benefit of the company) and it always smoked. Finally a dealer tore it down and it had rings missing on the back piston.

Typical UAW workers before the japs handed them their ass.

The thing always dripped oil and the speedo was way off. All from the factory.

Harleys are supposed to "drip oil". If it is excessive, back off on
the chain oiler.
Lots of guys turned it off completely but they usually did not
manually oil the chain and ended up with bad chains and sprockets.

BTW, yes the Superglide front forks. A lot of them starting cracking right below the triple tree. It's amazing how some feel that HD is still such a glorious motorcycle. Then again, the "Big four" Japanese have had models to copy HD's for years. go figure

Harley was always a state of mind thing more than just owning the most
high tech bike. The old ones also had the advantage that they did use
a lot of off the shelf industrial parts so you might find what you
needed in a feed store in fumbuck idaho. (AKA "tractor parts").

I used to have a pretty good list of parts that were generic "counter
store" items. They were always going to be less than the dealer and in
a lot of cases very much less.

"Harleys are supposed to "drip oil"."

Not from the bottom of the crank case and front head...



I think Harley did a lot of work to clean up quality control issues
following the AMF disaster. The last two I owned (a 2000 Ultra Classic
and a 2007 Ultra Classic) had no issues and didn't leak a drop.

What a joke ....
 

On 2/10/16 1:28 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2016 11:01 AM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 9:40:16 AM UTC-6,
wrote:
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 07:10:15 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 10:18:07 AM UTC-6,
wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 07:40:40 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Yup. The Japanese invasion pretty much killed off BSA and Norton
here
also. The original Indian Motorcycle Co. folded in 1953. They only
produced about 1,000 military motorcycles in WWII whereas Harley
Davidson produced over 90,000. Even Harley ran into some problems
later leading to their purchase by AMF in 1969 who ruined their
quality
and reputation. Fortunately, a group of investors led by Willie
Davidson bought the company from AMF in 1981 and refocused on
quality.
They also accused the Japanese makers of flooding the US market
with
cheap products and claimed that domestic motorcycles and the jobs
their
manufacture created was endangered. Ronald Reagan took action to
protect the domestic manufacturers by imposing a 45% tariff on
imported
motorcycles over 700cc's.
( Screw the "global market" BS :-) )

We started seeing the AMF problems in 71.. Probably the worst problem
was in the 74 Sportster where the rear fork was bending and the seat
mounting bolt would wear a groove in the rear tire. The fix was
welding a couple struts in to hold it up.
The 71 and 72 Superglides had excessive flex in the fork tubes because
they were using the Sportster front end on an FL frame. They ate
seals.
In 71 they also changed the spec for the main shaft bearing in the
FL/FX transmission (did not account for thrust load) and they went
bad.
There were lots of growing pains in the early AMF years.
It was a good time to be a Harley mechanic tho ;-)

Harley was good about putting out scrap those years. A friend of
mine worked for AMF and got an 80 Glide at cost. (benefit of the
company) and it always smoked. Finally a dealer tore it down and it
had rings missing on the back piston.

Typical UAW workers before the japs handed them their ass.

The thing always dripped oil and the speedo was way off. All from
the factory.

Harleys are supposed to "drip oil". If it is excessive, back off on
the chain oiler.
Lots of guys turned it off completely but they usually did not
manually oil the chain and ended up with bad chains and sprockets.

BTW, yes the Superglide front forks. A lot of them starting cracking
right below the triple tree. It's amazing how some feel that HD is
still such a glorious motorcycle. Then again, the "Big four"
Japanese have had models to copy HD's for years. go figure

Harley was always a state of mind thing more than just owning the most
high tech bike. The old ones also had the advantage that they did use
a lot of off the shelf industrial parts so you might find what you
needed in a feed store in fumbuck idaho. (AKA "tractor parts").

I used to have a pretty good list of parts that were generic "counter
store" items. They were always going to be less than the dealer and in
a lot of cases very much less.

"Harleys are supposed to "drip oil"."

Not from the bottom of the crank case and front head...



I think Harley did a lot of work to clean up quality control issues
following the AMF disaster. The last two I owned (a 2000 Ultra Classic
and a 2007 Ultra Classic) had no issues and didn't leak a drop.



I never really liked Harleys that much because of their avoirdupois. In
the years I had motorcycles back then, I can only remember one ride that
was more than 50 miles, and I liked the lighter bikes. Didn't drive that
fast, either, so a two cylinder 350 cc bike was just fine.

What a joke ....
 

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 12:28:40 PM UTC-6, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2016 11:01 AM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 9:40:16 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 07:10:15 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 10:18:07 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 07:40:40 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Yup. The Japanese invasion pretty much killed off BSA and Norton here
also. The original Indian Motorcycle Co. folded in 1953. They only
produced about 1,000 military motorcycles in WWII whereas Harley
Davidson produced over 90,000. Even Harley ran into some problems
later leading to their purchase by AMF in 1969 who ruined their quality
and reputation. Fortunately, a group of investors led by Willie
Davidson bought the company from AMF in 1981 and refocused on quality.
They also accused the Japanese makers of flooding the US market with
cheap products and claimed that domestic motorcycles and the jobs their
manufacture created was endangered. Ronald Reagan took action to
protect the domestic manufacturers by imposing a 45% tariff on imported
motorcycles over 700cc's.
( Screw the "global market" BS :-) )

We started seeing the AMF problems in 71.. Probably the worst problem
was in the 74 Sportster where the rear fork was bending and the seat
mounting bolt would wear a groove in the rear tire. The fix was
welding a couple struts in to hold it up.
The 71 and 72 Superglides had excessive flex in the fork tubes because
they were using the Sportster front end on an FL frame. They ate
seals.
In 71 they also changed the spec for the main shaft bearing in the
FL/FX transmission (did not account for thrust load) and they went
bad.
There were lots of growing pains in the early AMF years.
It was a good time to be a Harley mechanic tho ;-)

Harley was good about putting out scrap those years. A friend of mine worked for AMF and got an 80 Glide at cost. (benefit of the company) and it always smoked. Finally a dealer tore it down and it had rings missing on the back piston.

Typical UAW workers before the japs handed them their ass.

The thing always dripped oil and the speedo was way off. All from the factory.

Harleys are supposed to "drip oil". If it is excessive, back off on
the chain oiler.
Lots of guys turned it off completely but they usually did not
manually oil the chain and ended up with bad chains and sprockets.

BTW, yes the Superglide front forks. A lot of them starting cracking right below the triple tree. It's amazing how some feel that HD is still such a glorious motorcycle. Then again, the "Big four" Japanese have had models to copy HD's for years. go figure

Harley was always a state of mind thing more than just owning the most
high tech bike. The old ones also had the advantage that they did use
a lot of off the shelf industrial parts so you might find what you
needed in a feed store in fumbuck idaho. (AKA "tractor parts").

I used to have a pretty good list of parts that were generic "counter
store" items. They were always going to be less than the dealer and in
a lot of cases very much less.

"Harleys are supposed to "drip oil"."

Not from the bottom of the crank case and front head...



I think Harley did a lot of work to clean up quality control issues
following the AMF disaster. The last two I owned (a 2000 Ultra Classic
and a 2007 Ultra Classic) had no issues and didn't leak a drop.

That's true Richard. The advent of CNC and GAD/CAM made a huge difference as well. What gets me is that the Japanese bikes did so much better with quality control. When HD started making good stuff it barely competed with the Japanese products 20 years previously built.