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Flint Michigan ... do I have to say anything else.
You have a democratic mayor, a republican governor and the EPA. It is hard to point the finger at anyone in particular but the government has clearly failed them. My question is, way back when Flint was rolling in Detroit money, long before we heard of Michael Moore, why didn't they replace those lead pipes? We knew lead pipe was bad when I was a kid. They also knew about acid rain and the effect of low pH water on lead. My water here, pretty much does not touch any kind of metal until it hits the faucet. |
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On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 17:42:44 -0500, Keyser Sze wrote:
On 1/23/16 4:26 PM, wrote: Flint Michigan ... do I have to say anything else. You have a democratic mayor, a republican governor and the EPA. It is hard to point the finger at anyone in particular but the government has clearly failed them. My question is, way back when Flint was rolling in Detroit money, long before we heard of Michael Moore, why didn't they replace those lead pipes? We knew lead pipe was bad when I was a kid. They also knew about acid rain and the effect of low pH water on lead. My water here, pretty much does not touch any kind of metal until it hits the faucet. "LANSING, Mich. (NYT) A top aide to Michigans governor referred to people raising questions about the quality of Flints water as an anti-everything group. Other critics were accused of turning complaints about water into a political football. And worrisome findings about lead by a concerned pediatrician were dismissed as data, in quotes. "That view of how the administration of Gov. Rick Snyder initially dealt with the water crisis in the poverty-stricken, black-majority city of Flint emerged from 274 pages of emails, made public by the governor on Wednesday." Perhaps the Snyder administration thought it would be easier, more efficient and cheaper to poison and kill mass numbers of blacks rather than have the police do it one at a time. More KrauseSheisse. They are doing everything in their power to lay the blame on the Republican governor. APRIL 2014: In an effort to save money, Flint begins drawing its water from the Flint River instead of relying on water from Detroit. JANUARY 2015: ...Flint insists its water is safe. FEB. 3: State officials pledge $2 million for Flint's troubled water system. MARCH 19: Flint promises to spend $2.24 million on immediate improvements to its water supply. MARCH 27: Flint officials say the quality of its water has improved and that testing finds the water meets all state and federal standards for safety. SEPT. 24: A group of doctors led by Dr. Mona Hanna-Attisha of Hurley Medical Center urges Flint to stop using the Flint River for water after finding high levels of lead in the blood of children.... Sounds like Flint brought on its own problems. Flint seems to have problems in other areas also. Wonder if those are also the fault of the Republican governor...or could it be the mayor? http://www.businessinsider.com/why-i...ngerous-2013-6 -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 17:42:44 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 1/23/16 4:26 PM, wrote: Flint Michigan ... do I have to say anything else. You have a democratic mayor, a republican governor and the EPA. It is hard to point the finger at anyone in particular but the government has clearly failed them. My question is, way back when Flint was rolling in Detroit money, long before we heard of Michael Moore, why didn't they replace those lead pipes? We knew lead pipe was bad when I was a kid. They also knew about acid rain and the effect of low pH water on lead. My water here, pretty much does not touch any kind of metal until it hits the faucet. "LANSING, Mich. (NYT) — A top aide to Michigan’s governor referred to people raising questions about the quality of Flint’s water as an “anti-everything group.” Other critics were accused of turning complaints about water into a “political football.” And worrisome findings about lead by a concerned pediatrician were dismissed as “data,” in quotes. "That view of how the administration of Gov. Rick Snyder initially dealt with the water crisis in the poverty-stricken, black-majority city of Flint emerged from 274 pages of emails, made public by the governor on Wednesday." snipped bull**** Flint, Michigan (CNN)The Environmental Protection Agency's regional administrator for Flint, Michigan, has resigned, the agency said in a statement Thursday. "EPA Region 5 Administrator Susan Hedman has offered her resignation effective February 1, and EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy has accepted given Susan's strong interest in ensuring that EPA Region 5's focus remains solely on the restoration of Flint's drinking water," the agency said. In late June, then-Flint Mayor Dayne Walling wrote to Hedman, seeking information about the issue of lead in Flint's drinking water. She essentially shot him down in her response. "The preliminary draft report should not have been released outside the agency. When the report has been revised and fully vetted by EPA management, the findings and recommendations will be shared with the City and MDEQ (Michigan Department of Environmental Quality) -- and MDEQ will be responsible for following up with the City," Hedman wrote. She had also fallen under fire for allegedly retaliating against EPA employees involved in investigating sexual harassment cases. |
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On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 18:04:44 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 17:42:44 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 1/23/16 4:26 PM, wrote: Flint Michigan ... do I have to say anything else. You have a democratic mayor, a republican governor and the EPA. It is hard to point the finger at anyone in particular but the government has clearly failed them. My question is, way back when Flint was rolling in Detroit money, long before we heard of Michael Moore, why didn't they replace those lead pipes? We knew lead pipe was bad when I was a kid. They also knew about acid rain and the effect of low pH water on lead. My water here, pretty much does not touch any kind of metal until it hits the faucet. "LANSING, Mich. (NYT) — A top aide to Michigan’s governor referred to people raising questions about the quality of Flint’s water as an “anti-everything group.” Other critics were accused of turning complaints about water into a “political football.” And worrisome findings about lead by a concerned pediatrician were dismissed as “data,” in quotes. "That view of how the administration of Gov. Rick Snyder initially dealt with the water crisis in the poverty-stricken, black-majority city of Flint emerged from 274 pages of emails, made public by the governor on Wednesday." Perhaps the Snyder administration thought it would be easier, more efficient and cheaper to poison and kill mass numbers of blacks rather than have the police do it one at a time. More KrauseSheisse. They are doing everything in their power to lay the blame on the Republican governor. APRIL 2014: In an effort to save money, Flint begins drawing its water from the Flint River instead of relying on water from Detroit. JANUARY 2015: ...Flint insists its water is safe. FEB. 3: State officials pledge $2 million for Flint's troubled water system. MARCH 19: Flint promises to spend $2.24 million on immediate improvements to its water supply. MARCH 27: Flint officials say the quality of its water has improved and that testing finds the water meets all state and federal standards for safety. SEPT. 24: A group of doctors led by Dr. Mona Hanna-Attisha of Hurley Medical Center urges Flint to stop using the Flint River for water after finding high levels of lead in the blood of children.... Sounds like Flint brought on its own problems. Flint seems to have problems in other areas also. Wonder if those are also the fault of the Republican governor...or could it be the mayor? http://www.businessinsider.com/why-i...ngerous-2013-6 This problem is actually 100 years old and they have ignored it for at least 50 of them when lead water pipes were identified as being dangerous, particularly with low pH water from "acid rain". Lead was such a problem that it was banned in paint in the 60s and they started moving away from lead solder in copper piping. I was already using lead free solder in 1976 when I put on my addition. That is an indefinitely small exposure when compared to the entire pipe being lead. Flint and all of Michigan was rolling in money at that time and they could have afforded to replace the pipes. |
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On 1/23/2016 7:01 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 18:04:44 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 17:42:44 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 1/23/16 4:26 PM, wrote: Flint Michigan ... do I have to say anything else. You have a democratic mayor, a republican governor and the EPA. It is hard to point the finger at anyone in particular but the government has clearly failed them. My question is, way back when Flint was rolling in Detroit money, long before we heard of Michael Moore, why didn't they replace those lead pipes? We knew lead pipe was bad when I was a kid. They also knew about acid rain and the effect of low pH water on lead. My water here, pretty much does not touch any kind of metal until it hits the faucet. "LANSING, Mich. (NYT) — A top aide to Michigan’s governor referred to people raising questions about the quality of Flint’s water as an “anti-everything group.” Other critics were accused of turning complaints about water into a “political football.” And worrisome findings about lead by a concerned pediatrician were dismissed as “data,” in quotes. "That view of how the administration of Gov. Rick Snyder initially dealt with the water crisis in the poverty-stricken, black-majority city of Flint emerged from 274 pages of emails, made public by the governor on Wednesday." Perhaps the Snyder administration thought it would be easier, more efficient and cheaper to poison and kill mass numbers of blacks rather than have the police do it one at a time. More KrauseSheisse. They are doing everything in their power to lay the blame on the Republican governor. APRIL 2014: In an effort to save money, Flint begins drawing its water from the Flint River instead of relying on water from Detroit. JANUARY 2015: ...Flint insists its water is safe. FEB. 3: State officials pledge $2 million for Flint's troubled water system. MARCH 19: Flint promises to spend $2.24 million on immediate improvements to its water supply. MARCH 27: Flint officials say the quality of its water has improved and that testing finds the water meets all state and federal standards for safety. SEPT. 24: A group of doctors led by Dr. Mona Hanna-Attisha of Hurley Medical Center urges Flint to stop using the Flint River for water after finding high levels of lead in the blood of children.... Sounds like Flint brought on its own problems. Flint seems to have problems in other areas also. Wonder if those are also the fault of the Republican governor...or could it be the mayor? http://www.businessinsider.com/why-i...ngerous-2013-6 This problem is actually 100 years old and they have ignored it for at least 50 of them when lead water pipes were identified as being dangerous, particularly with low pH water from "acid rain". Lead was such a problem that it was banned in paint in the 60s and they started moving away from lead solder in copper piping. I was already using lead free solder in 1976 when I put on my addition. That is an indefinitely small exposure when compared to the entire pipe being lead. Flint and all of Michigan was rolling in money at that time and they could have afforded to replace the pipes. Perhaps they opted to have more lead in their pencils instead of dealing with a serious issue. |
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On Saturday, January 23, 2016 at 4:42:47 PM UTC-6, Keyser Sze wrote:
Perhaps the Snyder administration thought it would be easier, more efficient and cheaper to poison and kill mass numbers of blacks rather than have the police do it one at a time. Hey Harry, the day's just started. Do you think you can make a statement lower than that? Bet you can..... |
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On 1/24/16 9:05 AM, Tim wrote:
On Saturday, January 23, 2016 at 4:42:47 PM UTC-6, Keyser Sze wrote: Perhaps the Snyder administration thought it would be easier, more efficient and cheaper to poison and kill mass numbers of blacks rather than have the police do it one at a time. Hey Harry, the day's just started. Do you think you can make a statement lower than that? Bet you can..... Well, there are always the old reliable Bristol Palin abstaining jokes... |
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On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 09:09:53 -0500, Keyser Sze wrote:
On 1/24/16 9:05 AM, Tim wrote: On Saturday, January 23, 2016 at 4:42:47 PM UTC-6, Keyser Sze wrote: Perhaps the Snyder administration thought it would be easier, more efficient and cheaper to poison and kill mass numbers of blacks rather than have the police do it one at a time. Hey Harry, the day's just started. Do you think you can make a statement lower than that? Bet you can..... Well, there are always the old reliable Bristol Palin abstaining jokes... Make your stupid comments, but we know that two Democrat mayors let the problem slide right on by. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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