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On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 10:38:51 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 1/22/2016 10:34 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 1/22/16 9:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 1/22/2016 7:53 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 20:22:33 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 18:08:27 -0500, John H. wrote: I'm on your side on this one. I think most of my grandkids are on Ritalin or some damn thing. I blame computers and computer games, and parents, of course. But mostly I blame the damn doctors who prescribe the ****. Of course, smacking a kid on the butt is not the 'liberal progressive' thing to do. Probably not politically correct either. I know of no one in my generation, or the following one, who was classified ADD or ADHD. Although, I have heard of 'adult onset' ADD. I think that's another narcissistic ploy for attention. The thing that bothers me the most about this is that most of the people who shaped our history probably would have been called ADD in school and drugged. In the years that I taught, I never experienced the school putting pressure on the parents to drug their kids. Unless the counsellors were getting the parents on the sly, I don't know when it would be taking place. I think it's the teacher complaining to the parents about behavior/homework, and then the parents asking a doctor what they should do about it, instead of putting in the effort to fix the problem themselves. I've witnessed just the opposite. The school systems and even individual teachers are diagnosing kids and recommending to the parents that they be put on medication. Went through this with my daughter and her oldest kid. One of his teachers talked to her about it and even admitted that she herself (the teacher) was on medication for adult ADD. My daughter took him to his doctor and the doctor got bull ****. The kid (my grandson) was a perfectly normal, typical young adolescent going through the process of growing up. That f'in 24 year old teacher should be fired. That was about 5 years ago. He has since graduated from high school, is attending a trade school, working and is doing just fine. What percentage of kids are being diagnosed that way? 1%, 5%, more? I don't know but ask any parent with kids in junior high school and I think you find the situation is far more prevalent than you would imagine. As old farts we tend to drift away from what is going on in schools today. Approximately 11% of children 4-17 years of age (6.4 million) have been diagnosed with ADHD as of 2011. The percentage of children with an ADHD diagnosis continues to increase, from 7.8% in 2003 to 9.5% in 2007 and to 11.0% in 2011. Data and Statistics | ADHD | NCBDDD | CDC -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On 1/22/2016 2:00 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 10:38:51 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/22/2016 10:34 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 1/22/16 9:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 1/22/2016 7:53 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 20:22:33 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 18:08:27 -0500, John H. wrote: I'm on your side on this one. I think most of my grandkids are on Ritalin or some damn thing. I blame computers and computer games, and parents, of course. But mostly I blame the damn doctors who prescribe the ****. Of course, smacking a kid on the butt is not the 'liberal progressive' thing to do. Probably not politically correct either. I know of no one in my generation, or the following one, who was classified ADD or ADHD. Although, I have heard of 'adult onset' ADD. I think that's another narcissistic ploy for attention. The thing that bothers me the most about this is that most of the people who shaped our history probably would have been called ADD in school and drugged. In the years that I taught, I never experienced the school putting pressure on the parents to drug their kids. Unless the counsellors were getting the parents on the sly, I don't know when it would be taking place. I think it's the teacher complaining to the parents about behavior/homework, and then the parents asking a doctor what they should do about it, instead of putting in the effort to fix the problem themselves. I've witnessed just the opposite. The school systems and even individual teachers are diagnosing kids and recommending to the parents that they be put on medication. Went through this with my daughter and her oldest kid. One of his teachers talked to her about it and even admitted that she herself (the teacher) was on medication for adult ADD. My daughter took him to his doctor and the doctor got bull ****. The kid (my grandson) was a perfectly normal, typical young adolescent going through the process of growing up. That f'in 24 year old teacher should be fired. That was about 5 years ago. He has since graduated from high school, is attending a trade school, working and is doing just fine. What percentage of kids are being diagnosed that way? 1%, 5%, more? I don't know but ask any parent with kids in junior high school and I think you find the situation is far more prevalent than you would imagine. As old farts we tend to drift away from what is going on in schools today. Approximately 11% of children 4-17 years of age (6.4 million) have been diagnosed with ADHD as of 2011. The percentage of children with an ADHD diagnosis continues to increase, from 7.8% in 2003 to 9.5% in 2007 and to 11.0% in 2011. Data and Statistics | ADHD | NCBDDD | CDC Those are extraordinary numbers. |
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On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 16:11:52 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 1/22/2016 2:00 PM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 10:38:51 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/22/2016 10:34 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 1/22/16 9:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 1/22/2016 7:53 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 20:22:33 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 18:08:27 -0500, John H. wrote: I'm on your side on this one. I think most of my grandkids are on Ritalin or some damn thing. I blame computers and computer games, and parents, of course. But mostly I blame the damn doctors who prescribe the ****. Of course, smacking a kid on the butt is not the 'liberal progressive' thing to do. Probably not politically correct either. I know of no one in my generation, or the following one, who was classified ADD or ADHD. Although, I have heard of 'adult onset' ADD. I think that's another narcissistic ploy for attention. The thing that bothers me the most about this is that most of the people who shaped our history probably would have been called ADD in school and drugged. In the years that I taught, I never experienced the school putting pressure on the parents to drug their kids. Unless the counsellors were getting the parents on the sly, I don't know when it would be taking place. I think it's the teacher complaining to the parents about behavior/homework, and then the parents asking a doctor what they should do about it, instead of putting in the effort to fix the problem themselves. I've witnessed just the opposite. The school systems and even individual teachers are diagnosing kids and recommending to the parents that they be put on medication. Went through this with my daughter and her oldest kid. One of his teachers talked to her about it and even admitted that she herself (the teacher) was on medication for adult ADD. My daughter took him to his doctor and the doctor got bull ****. The kid (my grandson) was a perfectly normal, typical young adolescent going through the process of growing up. That f'in 24 year old teacher should be fired. That was about 5 years ago. He has since graduated from high school, is attending a trade school, working and is doing just fine. What percentage of kids are being diagnosed that way? 1%, 5%, more? I don't know but ask any parent with kids in junior high school and I think you find the situation is far more prevalent than you would imagine. As old farts we tend to drift away from what is going on in schools today. Approximately 11% of children 4-17 years of age (6.4 million) have been diagnosed with ADHD as of 2011. The percentage of children with an ADHD diagnosis continues to increase, from 7.8% in 2003 to 9.5% in 2007 and to 11.0% in 2011. Data and Statistics | ADHD | NCBDDD | CDC Those are extraordinary numbers. I'll bet the percent is higher now. I think it's catchy, and a good way for doctors and drugmakers to rake in a few bucks. At an increase of about 1.5% every four years, it'd be about 12.5% now. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 16:18:06 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 16:11:52 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/22/2016 2:00 PM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 10:38:51 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/22/2016 10:34 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 1/22/16 9:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 1/22/2016 7:53 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 20:22:33 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 18:08:27 -0500, John H. wrote: I'm on your side on this one. I think most of my grandkids are on Ritalin or some damn thing. I blame computers and computer games, and parents, of course. But mostly I blame the damn doctors who prescribe the ****. Of course, smacking a kid on the butt is not the 'liberal progressive' thing to do. Probably not politically correct either. I know of no one in my generation, or the following one, who was classified ADD or ADHD. Although, I have heard of 'adult onset' ADD. I think that's another narcissistic ploy for attention. The thing that bothers me the most about this is that most of the people who shaped our history probably would have been called ADD in school and drugged. In the years that I taught, I never experienced the school putting pressure on the parents to drug their kids. Unless the counsellors were getting the parents on the sly, I don't know when it would be taking place. I think it's the teacher complaining to the parents about behavior/homework, and then the parents asking a doctor what they should do about it, instead of putting in the effort to fix the problem themselves. I've witnessed just the opposite. The school systems and even individual teachers are diagnosing kids and recommending to the parents that they be put on medication. Went through this with my daughter and her oldest kid. One of his teachers talked to her about it and even admitted that she herself (the teacher) was on medication for adult ADD. My daughter took him to his doctor and the doctor got bull ****. The kid (my grandson) was a perfectly normal, typical young adolescent going through the process of growing up. That f'in 24 year old teacher should be fired. That was about 5 years ago. He has since graduated from high school, is attending a trade school, working and is doing just fine. What percentage of kids are being diagnosed that way? 1%, 5%, more? I don't know but ask any parent with kids in junior high school and I think you find the situation is far more prevalent than you would imagine. As old farts we tend to drift away from what is going on in schools today. Approximately 11% of children 4-17 years of age (6.4 million) have been diagnosed with ADHD as of 2011. The percentage of children with an ADHD diagnosis continues to increase, from 7.8% in 2003 to 9.5% in 2007 and to 11.0% in 2011. Data and Statistics | ADHD | NCBDDD | CDC Those are extraordinary numbers. I'll bet the percent is higher now. I think it's catchy, and a good way for doctors and drugmakers to rake in a few bucks. At an increase of about 1.5% every four years, it'd be about 12.5% now. === Have there been any controlled studies of before and after school performance? Or against a control group with the same diagnosis taking a placebo? |
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On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 17:50:31 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 16:18:06 -0500, John H. wrote: On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 16:11:52 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/22/2016 2:00 PM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 10:38:51 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/22/2016 10:34 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 1/22/16 9:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 1/22/2016 7:53 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 20:22:33 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 18:08:27 -0500, John H. wrote: I'm on your side on this one. I think most of my grandkids are on Ritalin or some damn thing. I blame computers and computer games, and parents, of course. But mostly I blame the damn doctors who prescribe the ****. Of course, smacking a kid on the butt is not the 'liberal progressive' thing to do. Probably not politically correct either. I know of no one in my generation, or the following one, who was classified ADD or ADHD. Although, I have heard of 'adult onset' ADD. I think that's another narcissistic ploy for attention. The thing that bothers me the most about this is that most of the people who shaped our history probably would have been called ADD in school and drugged. In the years that I taught, I never experienced the school putting pressure on the parents to drug their kids. Unless the counsellors were getting the parents on the sly, I don't know when it would be taking place. I think it's the teacher complaining to the parents about behavior/homework, and then the parents asking a doctor what they should do about it, instead of putting in the effort to fix the problem themselves. I've witnessed just the opposite. The school systems and even individual teachers are diagnosing kids and recommending to the parents that they be put on medication. Went through this with my daughter and her oldest kid. One of his teachers talked to her about it and even admitted that she herself (the teacher) was on medication for adult ADD. My daughter took him to his doctor and the doctor got bull ****. The kid (my grandson) was a perfectly normal, typical young adolescent going through the process of growing up. That f'in 24 year old teacher should be fired. That was about 5 years ago. He has since graduated from high school, is attending a trade school, working and is doing just fine. What percentage of kids are being diagnosed that way? 1%, 5%, more? I don't know but ask any parent with kids in junior high school and I think you find the situation is far more prevalent than you would imagine. As old farts we tend to drift away from what is going on in schools today. Approximately 11% of children 4-17 years of age (6.4 million) have been diagnosed with ADHD as of 2011. The percentage of children with an ADHD diagnosis continues to increase, from 7.8% in 2003 to 9.5% in 2007 and to 11.0% in 2011. Data and Statistics | ADHD | NCBDDD | CDC Those are extraordinary numbers. I'll bet the percent is higher now. I think it's catchy, and a good way for doctors and drugmakers to rake in a few bucks. At an increase of about 1.5% every four years, it'd be about 12.5% now. === Have there been any controlled studies of before and after school performance? Or against a control group with the same diagnosis taking a placebo? There are a lot of studies of the effects of methylphenidate on ADD and ADHD children, but it's hard to find a long-term double blind study with and without the medication. This one was interesting. Kinda shows a bias towards the drug (methylphenidate). "Results: We included 62 randomized trials that involved a total of 2897 participants with a primary diagnosis of ADD (e.g., with or without hyperactivity). The median age of trial participants was 8.7 years, and the median “percent male” composition of trials was 88.1%. Most studies used a crossover design. Using the scores from 2 separate indices, this collection of trials exhibited low quality. Interventions lasted, on average, 3 weeks, with no trial lasting longer than 28 weeks. Each primary outcome (hyperactivity index) demonstrated a significant effect of methylphenidate (effect size reported by teacher 0.78, 95% confidence interval [CI] 0.64–0.91; effect size reported by parent 0.54, 95% CI 0.40–0.67). However, these apparent beneficial effects are tempered by a strong indication of publication bias and the lack of robustness of the findings, especially those involving core ADD features. Methylphenidate also has an adverse event profile that requires consideration. For example, clinicians only need to treat 4 children to identify an episode of decreased appetite. " http://www.cmaj.ca/content/165/11/1475.short -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 08:39:55 -0500, John H.
wrote: "Results: We included 62 randomized trials that involved a total of 2897 participants with a primary diagnosis of ADD (e.g., with or without hyperactivity). The median age of trial participants was 8.7 years, and the median “percent male†composition of trials was 88.1%. Most studies used a crossover design. Using the scores from 2 separate indices, this collection of trials exhibited low quality. Interventions lasted, on average, 3 weeks, with no trial lasting longer than 28 weeks. Each primary outcome (hyperactivity index) demonstrated a significant effect of methylphenidate (effect size reported by teacher 0.78, 95% confidence interval [CI] 0.64–0.91; effect size reported by parent 0.54, 95% CI 0.40–0.67). However, these apparent beneficial effects are tempered by a strong indication of publication bias and the lack of robustness of the findings, especially those involving core ADD features. Methylphenidate also has an adverse event profile that requires consideration. For example, clinicians only need to treat 4 children to identify an episode of decreased appetite. " http://www.cmaj.ca/content/165/11/1475.short Speed kills, whether you get it from the doctor or from a biker on the street. ADD drugs are the gateway to crank just as the "oxy" pain killers are the gateway to smack. |
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On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 10:50:03 -0500, wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 08:39:55 -0500, John H. wrote: "Results: We included 62 randomized trials that involved a total of 2897 participants with a primary diagnosis of ADD (e.g., with or without hyperactivity). The median age of trial participants was 8.7 years, and the median “percent male” composition of trials was 88.1%. Most studies used a crossover design. Using the scores from 2 separate indices, this collection of trials exhibited low quality. Interventions lasted, on average, 3 weeks, with no trial lasting longer than 28 weeks. Each primary outcome (hyperactivity index) demonstrated a significant effect of methylphenidate (effect size reported by teacher 0.78, 95% confidence interval [CI] 0.64–0.91; effect size reported by parent 0.54, 95% CI 0.40–0.67). However, these apparent beneficial effects are tempered by a strong indication of publication bias and the lack of robustness of the findings, especially those involving core ADD features. Methylphenidate also has an adverse event profile that requires consideration. For example, clinicians only need to treat 4 children to identify an episode of decreased appetite. " http://www.cmaj.ca/content/165/11/1475.short Speed kills, whether you get it from the doctor or from a biker on the street. ADD drugs are the gateway to crank just as the "oxy" pain killers are the gateway to smack. The best line: "However, these apparent beneficial effects are tempered by a strong indication of publication bias and the lack of robustness of the findings, especially those involving core ADD features." -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 17:00:59 -0500, John H.
wrote: I've always had good treatment at VA hospitals. But, that was once I got into the hospital. Having a VA card with 'Service Connected' thereon is a big help. It still takes over two months to get an audiology appointment. I asked about an orthopedic appointment when I was last there. The wait time for that was over three months. That wait time would be much, much longer if I had to add the time it takes to file a claim and get into the system in the first place. === You're in sort of a microcosm of the single payer, government run system they have in Canada. Everything that is not a life threatening issue is rationed. |
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