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amdx[_3_] January 5th 16 01:49 PM

Purchasing a Pistol
 
My wife ask me to buy her a Sig Sauer P238 Nitron.
I'm looking over websites and found Top Gun Supply.
Has anyone purchased from TOP GUN?
What paperwork is involved for an internet purchase?
We have Florida CC permits.

Mikek

[email protected] January 5th 16 02:06 PM

Purchasing a Pistol
 
On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 07:49:12 -0600, amdx wrote:

My wife ask me to buy her a Sig Sauer P238 Nitron.
I'm looking over websites and found Top Gun Supply.
Has anyone purchased from TOP GUN?
What paperwork is involved for an internet purchase?
We have Florida CC permits.


===

Usually the seller will ship only to a local FFL. You'll have to pick
one in advance and agree on the fee. Your local FFL will do the
security check and paperwork before turning over the gun to you.

Keyser Söze January 5th 16 02:41 PM

Purchasing a Pistol
 
On 1/5/16 8:49 AM, amdx wrote:
My wife ask me to buy her a Sig Sauer P238 Nitron.
I'm looking over websites and found Top Gun Supply.
Has anyone purchased from TOP GUN?
What paperwork is involved for an internet purchase?
We have Florida CC permits.

Mikek


Typically, you have to have a pistol shipped from a legitimate selling
dealer to a dealer with a federal firearms license in your area, from
whom you can pick it up. The local dealer might charge from $20 to $40
for the privilege. I've done this a few times...it's not complicated.



John H.[_5_] January 5th 16 02:55 PM

Purchasing a Pistol
 
On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 07:49:12 -0600, amdx wrote:

My wife ask me to buy her a Sig Sauer P238 Nitron.
I'm looking over websites and found Top Gun Supply.
Has anyone purchased from TOP GUN?
What paperwork is involved for an internet purchase?
We have Florida CC permits.

Mikek


Top Gun provides info on 'how to buy' on their website:

http://www.topgunsupply.com/gun-shipping-info.html

Don't know where you are in FL, but here's their listing of FFL holders in the state.

http://www.gunbroker.com/FFL/SearchF...st=State&sv=FL

Bud's Guns may have a better assortment of FFL holders in your area. Plug in your zip
code here. I'd pick the closest and cheapest.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/ffl.php

Be sure to check out the gun before you take it from the FFL holder.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

[email protected] January 5th 16 03:00 PM

Purchasing a Pistol
 
On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 09:41:44 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 1/5/16 8:49 AM, amdx wrote:
My wife ask me to buy her a Sig Sauer P238 Nitron.
I'm looking over websites and found Top Gun Supply.
Has anyone purchased from TOP GUN?
What paperwork is involved for an internet purchase?
We have Florida CC permits.

Mikek


Typically, you have to have a pistol shipped from a legitimate selling
dealer to a dealer with a federal firearms license in your area, from
whom you can pick it up. The local dealer might charge from $20 to $40
for the privilege. I've done this a few times...it's not complicated.


Why don't you tell this to your gun control liars. They are trying to
spin it that buying a gun on the internet is like getting a case of
Charmin from Amazon Prime. They would have you believe you get it in
the mail the next day.

John H.[_5_] January 5th 16 03:05 PM

Purchasing a Pistol
 
On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 8:49:25 AM UTC-5, amdx wrote:
My wife ask me to buy her a Sig Sauer P238 Nitron.
I'm looking over websites and found Top Gun Supply.
Has anyone purchased from TOP GUN?
What paperwork is involved for an internet purchase?
We have Florida CC permits.

Mikek


Forgot to mention... I bought this one for my wife. She loves it.

http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProdu...8-equinox.aspx

Keyser Söze January 5th 16 03:09 PM

Purchasing a Pistol
 
On 1/5/16 10:00 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 09:41:44 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 1/5/16 8:49 AM, amdx wrote:
My wife ask me to buy her a Sig Sauer P238 Nitron.
I'm looking over websites and found Top Gun Supply.
Has anyone purchased from TOP GUN?
What paperwork is involved for an internet purchase?
We have Florida CC permits.

Mikek


Typically, you have to have a pistol shipped from a legitimate selling
dealer to a dealer with a federal firearms license in your area, from
whom you can pick it up. The local dealer might charge from $20 to $40
for the privilege. I've done this a few times...it's not complicated.


Why don't you tell this to your gun control liars. They are trying to
spin it that buying a gun on the internet is like getting a case of
Charmin from Amazon Prime. They would have you believe you get it in
the mail the next day.



Obviously you missed the phrase "legitimate selling dealer to a dealer
with a federal firearms license". There are other, non-legitimate ways
to buy and sell firearms, eh?

[email protected] January 5th 16 03:25 PM

Purchasing a Pistol
 
On Tue, 05 Jan 2016 09:55:15 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 07:49:12 -0600, amdx wrote:

My wife ask me to buy her a Sig Sauer P238 Nitron.
I'm looking over websites and found Top Gun Supply.
Has anyone purchased from TOP GUN?
What paperwork is involved for an internet purchase?
We have Florida CC permits.

Mikek


Top Gun provides info on 'how to buy' on their website:

http://www.topgunsupply.com/gun-shipping-info.html

Don't know where you are in FL, but here's their listing of FFL holders in the state.

http://www.gunbroker.com/FFL/SearchF...st=State&sv=FL

Bud's Guns may have a better assortment of FFL holders in your area. Plug in your zip
code here. I'd pick the closest and cheapest.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/ffl.php

Be sure to check out the gun before you take it from the FFL holder.


Bud certainly looks better for my area. Top gun doesn't have anyone
within 100 miles

John H.[_5_] January 5th 16 04:03 PM

Purchasing a Pistol
 
On Tue, 05 Jan 2016 10:25:51 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jan 2016 09:55:15 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 07:49:12 -0600, amdx wrote:

My wife ask me to buy her a Sig Sauer P238 Nitron.
I'm looking over websites and found Top Gun Supply.
Has anyone purchased from TOP GUN?
What paperwork is involved for an internet purchase?
We have Florida CC permits.

Mikek


Top Gun provides info on 'how to buy' on their website:

http://www.topgunsupply.com/gun-shipping-info.html

Don't know where you are in FL, but here's their listing of FFL holders in the state.

http://www.gunbroker.com/FFL/SearchF...st=State&sv=FL

Bud's Guns may have a better assortment of FFL holders in your area. Plug in your zip
code here. I'd pick the closest and cheapest.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/ffl.php

Be sure to check out the gun before you take it from the FFL holder.


Bud certainly looks better for my area. Top gun doesn't have anyone
within 100 miles


Bud's does have a great list. There was one there within five miles of my house that
charged only $25 - with a $5 discount for active or retired military. The guy moved
though, damnit.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

John H.[_5_] January 5th 16 04:19 PM

Purchasing a Pistol
 
On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 10:09:11 AM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/5/16 10:00 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 09:41:44 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 1/5/16 8:49 AM, amdx wrote:
My wife ask me to buy her a Sig Sauer P238 Nitron.
I'm looking over websites and found Top Gun Supply.
Has anyone purchased from TOP GUN?
What paperwork is involved for an internet purchase?
We have Florida CC permits.

Mikek

Typically, you have to have a pistol shipped from a legitimate selling
dealer to a dealer with a federal firearms license in your area, from
whom you can pick it up. The local dealer might charge from $20 to $40
for the privilege. I've done this a few times...it's not complicated.


Why don't you tell this to your gun control liars. They are trying to
spin it that buying a gun on the internet is like getting a case of
Charmin from Amazon Prime. They would have you believe you get it in
the mail the next day.



Obviously you missed the phrase "legitimate selling dealer to a dealer
with a federal firearms license". There are other, non-legitimate ways
to buy and sell firearms, eh?


Point us to one of your 'non-legitimate' (is that the same as 'illegitimate')internet sellers. Or is that just more Krauseheiße?

Mr. Luddite January 5th 16 05:07 PM

Purchasing a Pistol
 
On 1/5/2016 11:19 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 10:09:11 AM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/5/16 10:00 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 09:41:44 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 1/5/16 8:49 AM, amdx wrote:
My wife ask me to buy her a Sig Sauer P238 Nitron.
I'm looking over websites and found Top Gun Supply.
Has anyone purchased from TOP GUN?
What paperwork is involved for an internet purchase?
We have Florida CC permits.

Mikek

Typically, you have to have a pistol shipped from a legitimate selling
dealer to a dealer with a federal firearms license in your area, from
whom you can pick it up. The local dealer might charge from $20 to $40
for the privilege. I've done this a few times...it's not complicated.


Why don't you tell this to your gun control liars. They are trying to
spin it that buying a gun on the internet is like getting a case of
Charmin from Amazon Prime. They would have you believe you get it in
the mail the next day.



Obviously you missed the phrase "legitimate selling dealer to a dealer
with a federal firearms license". There are other, non-legitimate ways
to buy and sell firearms, eh?


Point us to one of your 'non-legitimate' (is that the same as 'illegitimate')internet sellers. Or is that just more Krauseheiße?



Harry didn't limit purchases to the Internet. He said, "There are
other, non-legitimate ways to buy and sell firearms." Good example was
the hotly debated (here) CNN documentary whereby firearms were purchased
without even being asked for identification, let alone a background check.





John H.[_5_] January 5th 16 05:36 PM

Purchasing a Pistol
 
On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 12:07:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/5/2016 11:19 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 10:09:11 AM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/5/16 10:00 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 09:41:44 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 1/5/16 8:49 AM, amdx wrote:
My wife ask me to buy her a Sig Sauer P238 Nitron.
I'm looking over websites and found Top Gun Supply.
Has anyone purchased from TOP GUN?
What paperwork is involved for an internet purchase?
We have Florida CC permits.

Mikek

Typically, you have to have a pistol shipped from a legitimate selling
dealer to a dealer with a federal firearms license in your area, from
whom you can pick it up. The local dealer might charge from $20 to $40
for the privilege. I've done this a few times...it's not complicated.


Why don't you tell this to your gun control liars. They are trying to
spin it that buying a gun on the internet is like getting a case of
Charmin from Amazon Prime. They would have you believe you get it in
the mail the next day.



Obviously you missed the phrase "legitimate selling dealer to a dealer
with a federal firearms license". There are other, non-legitimate ways
to buy and sell firearms, eh?


Point us to one of your 'non-legitimate' (is that the same as 'illegitimate')internet sellers. Or is that just more Krauseheiße?



Harry didn't limit purchases to the Internet. He said, "There are
other, non-legitimate ways to buy and sell firearms." Good example was
the hotly debated (here) CNN documentary whereby firearms were purchased
without even being asked for identification, let alone a background check.




The discussion was about 'internet purchases'.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

[email protected] January 5th 16 07:50 PM

Purchasing a Pistol
 
On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 12:07:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/5/2016 11:19 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 10:09:11 AM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/5/16 10:00 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 09:41:44 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 1/5/16 8:49 AM, amdx wrote:
My wife ask me to buy her a Sig Sauer P238 Nitron.
I'm looking over websites and found Top Gun Supply.
Has anyone purchased from TOP GUN?
What paperwork is involved for an internet purchase?
We have Florida CC permits.

Mikek

Typically, you have to have a pistol shipped from a legitimate selling
dealer to a dealer with a federal firearms license in your area, from
whom you can pick it up. The local dealer might charge from $20 to $40
for the privilege. I've done this a few times...it's not complicated.


Why don't you tell this to your gun control liars. They are trying to
spin it that buying a gun on the internet is like getting a case of
Charmin from Amazon Prime. They would have you believe you get it in
the mail the next day.



Obviously you missed the phrase "legitimate selling dealer to a dealer
with a federal firearms license". There are other, non-legitimate ways
to buy and sell firearms, eh?


Point us to one of your 'non-legitimate' (is that the same as 'illegitimate')internet sellers. Or is that just more Krauseheiße?



Harry didn't limit purchases to the Internet. He said, "There are
other, non-legitimate ways to buy and sell firearms." Good example was
the hotly debated (here) CNN documentary whereby firearms were purchased
without even being asked for identification, let alone a background check.




Don't skip the part where EVERY ONE OF THOSE purchases was a federal
and state felony.
You might as well say we need a law against murder.

[email protected] January 5th 16 07:51 PM

Purchasing a Pistol
 
On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 12:54:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Understood. Just pointing out that Harry is absolutely correct in
stating that there are many ways of acquiring a gun without any kind
of background check. That's just not right, IMO.


Yeah, the easiest way is to just steal it.

[email protected] January 5th 16 07:55 PM

Purchasing a Pistol
 
On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 12:17:39 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

After all, about 90% of gun murderers use guns that were
legally purchased.


That is bull****. They don't even solve 90% of the murders, much less
find and trace the weapon.


Califbill January 5th 16 08:20 PM

Purchasing a Pistol
 
wrote:
On Tue, 05 Jan 2016 09:55:15 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 07:49:12 -0600, amdx wrote:

My wife ask me to buy her a Sig Sauer P238 Nitron.
I'm looking over websites and found Top Gun Supply.
Has anyone purchased from TOP GUN?
What paperwork is involved for an internet purchase?
We have Florida CC permits.

Mikek


Top Gun provides info on 'how to buy' on their website:

http://www.topgunsupply.com/gun-shipping-info.html

Don't know where you are in FL, but here's their listing of FFL holders in the state.

http://www.gunbroker.com/FFL/SearchF...st=State&sv=FL

Bud's Guns may have a better assortment of FFL holders in your area. Plug in your zip
code here. I'd pick the closest and cheapest.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/ffl.php

Be sure to check out the gun before you take it from the FFL holder.


Bud certainly looks better for my area. Top gun doesn't have anyone
within 100 miles


I bet the Bud's FFL's would do,a TopGun transfer equally.


[email protected] January 5th 16 08:29 PM

Purchasing a Pistol
 
On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 12:07:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/5/2016 11:19 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 10:09:11 AM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/5/16 10:00 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 09:41:44 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 1/5/16 8:49 AM, amdx wrote:
My wife ask me to buy her a Sig Sauer P238 Nitron.
I'm looking over websites and found Top Gun Supply.
Has anyone purchased from TOP GUN?
What paperwork is involved for an internet purchase?
We have Florida CC permits.

Mikek

Typically, you have to have a pistol shipped from a legitimate selling
dealer to a dealer with a federal firearms license in your area, from
whom you can pick it up. The local dealer might charge from $20 to $40
for the privilege. I've done this a few times...it's not complicated.


Why don't you tell this to your gun control liars. They are trying to
spin it that buying a gun on the internet is like getting a case of
Charmin from Amazon Prime. They would have you believe you get it in
the mail the next day.



Obviously you missed the phrase "legitimate selling dealer to a dealer
with a federal firearms license". There are other, non-legitimate ways
to buy and sell firearms, eh?


Point us to one of your 'non-legitimate' (is that the same as 'illegitimate')internet sellers. Or is that just more Krauseheiße?



Harry didn't limit purchases to the Internet. He said, "There are
other, non-legitimate ways to buy and sell firearms." Good example was
the hotly debated (here) CNN documentary whereby firearms were purchased
without even being asked for identification, let alone a background check.

===

Isn't that the one where the CNN folks broke the law and no one was
arrested?

Sing Free January 5th 16 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John H.[_5_] (Post 1052329)
On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 8:49:25 AM UTC-5, amdx wrote:
My wife ask me to buy her a Sig Sauer P238 Nitron.
I'm looking over websites and found Top Gun Supply.
Has anyone purchased from TOP GUN?
What paperwork is involved for an internet purchase?
We have Florida CC permits.

Mikek


Forgot to mention... I bought this one for my wife. She loves it.

http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProdu...8-equinox.aspx

I bought my wife a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm and she loves hers also.

John H.[_5_] January 5th 16 09:46 PM

Purchasing a Pistol
 
On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 12:20:55 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 05 Jan 2016 09:55:15 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 07:49:12 -0600, amdx wrote:

My wife ask me to buy her a Sig Sauer P238 Nitron.
I'm looking over websites and found Top Gun Supply.
Has anyone purchased from TOP GUN?
What paperwork is involved for an internet purchase?
We have Florida CC permits.

Mikek

Top Gun provides info on 'how to buy' on their website:

http://www.topgunsupply.com/gun-shipping-info.html

Don't know where you are in FL, but here's their listing of FFL holders in the state.

http://www.gunbroker.com/FFL/SearchF...st=State&sv=FL

Bud's Guns may have a better assortment of FFL holders in your area. Plug in your zip
code here. I'd pick the closest and cheapest.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/ffl.php

Be sure to check out the gun before you take it from the FFL holder.


Bud certainly looks better for my area. Top gun doesn't have anyone
within 100 miles


I bet the Bud's FFL's would do,a TopGun transfer equally.


I've never had an FFL be particular about which dealer the gun came from. To my
knowledge, there is no relationship between Bud's and a particular FFL. I've gotten
guns from three different sources through the same FFL.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Mr. Luddite January 5th 16 09:53 PM

Purchasing a Pistol
 
On 1/5/2016 2:50 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 12:07:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/5/2016 11:19 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 10:09:11 AM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/5/16 10:00 AM,
wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 09:41:44 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 1/5/16 8:49 AM, amdx wrote:
My wife ask me to buy her a Sig Sauer P238 Nitron.
I'm looking over websites and found Top Gun Supply.
Has anyone purchased from TOP GUN?
What paperwork is involved for an internet purchase?
We have Florida CC permits.

Mikek

Typically, you have to have a pistol shipped from a legitimate selling
dealer to a dealer with a federal firearms license in your area, from
whom you can pick it up. The local dealer might charge from $20 to $40
for the privilege. I've done this a few times...it's not complicated.


Why don't you tell this to your gun control liars. They are trying to
spin it that buying a gun on the internet is like getting a case of
Charmin from Amazon Prime. They would have you believe you get it in
the mail the next day.



Obviously you missed the phrase "legitimate selling dealer to a dealer
with a federal firearms license". There are other, non-legitimate ways
to buy and sell firearms, eh?

Point us to one of your 'non-legitimate' (is that the same as 'illegitimate')internet sellers. Or is that just more Krauseheiße?



Harry didn't limit purchases to the Internet. He said, "There are
other, non-legitimate ways to buy and sell firearms." Good example was
the hotly debated (here) CNN documentary whereby firearms were purchased
without even being asked for identification, let alone a background check.




Don't skip the part where EVERY ONE OF THOSE purchases was a federal
and state felony.
You might as well say we need a law against murder.


Not sure about them being a federal felony. Were the sellers officially
"dealers"? As I understand current federal laws, if
they are not dealers, a background check is not required. Correct me
if I am wrong please.

My understanding of his executive action is that *all* transactions
will require a background check, FFL dealer or casual seller.

As for the state laws, yes, I think I recall it mentioned that the
seller was supposed to verify the buyer's address to make sure he
was not from out of state. Only one of the sellers did so, IIRC.


[email protected] January 5th 16 09:53 PM

Purchasing a Pistol
 
On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 16:45:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Since it has virtually no affect
on responsible gun ownership, why not?


That is typical northeastern thinking.
People out west are not interested in driving a hundred miles with
their neighbor to an FFL just so he can sell him his shotgun.

We are trying to impose a failed solution to urban crime on people who
do not have that crime problem.
We might as well install parking meters in the Everglades to fix
parking problems in downtown Boston.

Mr. Luddite January 5th 16 09:59 PM

Purchasing a Pistol
 
On 1/5/2016 2:51 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 12:54:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Understood. Just pointing out that Harry is absolutely correct in
stating that there are many ways of acquiring a gun without any kind
of background check. That's just not right, IMO.


Yeah, the easiest way is to just steal it.


And if the owner allows it to be easily stolen by not taking reasonable
precautions to prevent the theft, he or she should share in a degree of
liability if the stolen gun is used in a crime.

Not talking about being "held up" or otherwise having the gun taken
beyond reasonable control. I am talking about leaving it laying around,
unsecured and having it swiped. That is not responsible ownership.

Gun ownership is a right. The 2nd has been interpreted to mean that.
But a "right" is not devoid of responsibility.



Mr. Luddite January 5th 16 10:24 PM

Purchasing a Pistol
 
On 1/5/2016 4:53 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 16:45:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Since it has virtually no affect
on responsible gun ownership, why not?


That is typical northeastern thinking.
People out west are not interested in driving a hundred miles with
their neighbor to an FFL just so he can sell him his shotgun.

We are trying to impose a failed solution to urban crime on people who
do not have that crime problem.
We might as well install parking meters in the Everglades to fix
parking problems in downtown Boston.


If 90 percent of the US population favor universal background checks
for gun purchases, it's certainly not restricted to "northeastern
thinking". I thought that in our system of government, majority rules.



Justan Olphart[_2_] January 6th 16 12:21 AM

Purchasing a Pistol
 
On 1/5/2016 5:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/5/2016 4:53 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 16:45:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Since it has virtually no affect
on responsible gun ownership, why not?


That is typical northeastern thinking.
People out west are not interested in driving a hundred miles with
their neighbor to an FFL just so he can sell him his shotgun.

We are trying to impose a failed solution to urban crime on people who
do not have that crime problem.
We might as well install parking meters in the Everglades to fix
parking problems in downtown Boston.


If 90 percent of the US population favor universal background checks
for gun purchases, it's certainly not restricted to "northeastern
thinking". I thought that in our system of government, majority rules.


The king rules, for the time being.

[email protected] January 6th 16 12:27 AM

Purchasing a Pistol
 
On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 16:53:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Not sure about them being a federal felony. Were the sellers officially
"dealers"? As I understand current federal laws, if
they are not dealers, a background check is not required. Correct me
if I am wrong please.


GCA 68 forbids purchase out of state and all of these purchases were
outside of Georgia where the CNN people live. (private or FFL sale)
Taking those illegally purchased guns across a state line is another
felony, each time.
I posted the statute numbers the last time we had this discussion.


My understanding of his executive action is that *all* transactions
will require a background check, FFL dealer or casual seller.

So much for your other note about a rare casual sale.

As for the state laws, yes, I think I recall it mentioned that the
seller was supposed to verify the buyer's address to make sure he
was not from out of state. Only one of the sellers did so, IIRC.


Most states mirror the federal law. Yours actually goes far beyond but
you know that

[email protected] January 6th 16 12:35 AM

Purchasing a Pistol
 
On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 16:59:43 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/5/2016 2:51 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 12:54:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Understood. Just pointing out that Harry is absolutely correct in
stating that there are many ways of acquiring a gun without any kind
of background check. That's just not right, IMO.


Yeah, the easiest way is to just steal it.


And if the owner allows it to be easily stolen by not taking reasonable
precautions to prevent the theft, he or she should share in a degree of
liability if the stolen gun is used in a crime.

Not talking about being "held up" or otherwise having the gun taken
beyond reasonable control. I am talking about leaving it laying around,
unsecured and having it swiped. That is not responsible ownership.

Gun ownership is a right. The 2nd has been interpreted to mean that.
But a "right" is not devoid of responsibility.

Now we are blaming the victim. Even the states with "gun protection"
laws usually include a trigger lock in the prescribed protections.
That as nothing to do with theft protection or even much more than a
casual use. I was able to defeat the trigger lock that came with the
last pistol I bought in a few minutes ... non-destructively, using
stuff you would find in most people's desk drawer.
Even if you have one of those $400 safes, a guy with an angle grinder
will be in it in a few minutes. They are usually 16 gauge steel.
It all depends on how valuable the collection is doesn't it?

Tim January 6th 16 12:47 AM

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On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 3:54:00 PM UTC-6, wrote:

We are trying to impose a failed solution to urban crime on people who
do not have that crime problem.
We might as well install parking meters in the Everglades to fix
parking problems in downtown Boston.


Good analogy!

Tim January 6th 16 12:47 AM

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On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 3:59:54 PM UTC-6, Mr. Luddite wrote:


Gun ownership is a right. The 2nd has been interpreted to mean that.
But a "right" is not devoid of responsibility.


Absolutely correct!


[email protected] January 6th 16 12:53 AM

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On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 17:24:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/5/2016 4:53 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 16:45:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Since it has virtually no affect
on responsible gun ownership, why not?


That is typical northeastern thinking.
People out west are not interested in driving a hundred miles with
their neighbor to an FFL just so he can sell him his shotgun.

We are trying to impose a failed solution to urban crime on people who
do not have that crime problem.
We might as well install parking meters in the Everglades to fix
parking problems in downtown Boston.


If 90 percent of the US population favor universal background checks
for gun purchases, it's certainly not restricted to "northeastern
thinking". I thought that in our system of government, majority rules.

When you are making up statistics, you can say pretty much anything
can't you. It was less than 40% tonight when our TV station did a poll
and the snowbirds are here so it is not just "Florida rednecks"


BTW who ever said "majority rules"?

Are you ready to take a vote on school busing or gay marriage?


Tim January 6th 16 12:55 AM

Purchasing a Pistol
 
On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 6:49:03 PM UTC-6, Sing Free wrote:
'John H.[_5_ Wrote:
;1052329']On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 8:49:25 AM UTC-5, amdx wrote:-
My wife ask me to buy her a Sig Sauer P238 Nitron.
I'm looking over websites and found Top Gun Supply.
Has anyone purchased from TOP GUN?
What paperwork is involved for an internet purchase?
We have Florida CC permits.

Mikek-

Forgot to mention... I bought this one for my wife. She loves it.

http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProdu...8-equinox.aspx

I bought my wife a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm and she loves hers
also.




--
Sing Free


Those are a nice pistol. My nephew has one which I've fired several times. I like it with the exception of one feature, in that it's hammerless. Im too old school. LOL. Otherwise....

[email protected] January 6th 16 01:04 AM

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On Tue, 05 Jan 2016 17:31:03 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 17:15:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


I am sure your grandson is a fine, upstanding and responsible citizen.
How about the rest of the 322,785,869 citizens? Can you vouch for them
as well?



If I don't know them, I'll use an FFL, as any responsible gun owner would do.


I suggested a long time ago that they could just allow private sellers
access to the instant check system. Then people who want to do the
right thing could and the ones who don't, won't do the right thing
anyway.

[email protected] January 6th 16 01:07 AM

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On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 17:51:59 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Actually, I was wrong. He wants to hire 200 and something more ATF/FBI
agents but the money is actually 500 million to root out and help those
with mental health issues.


That sounds more line campaign rhetoric than anything he can actually
deliver on. Where is a half billion dollars going to come from? Will
he just have Janet Yellen print it up for him?


Boating All Out January 6th 16 01:23 AM

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In article ,
says...

On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 12:17:39 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

After all, about 90% of gun murderers use guns that were
legally purchased.


That is bull****. They don't even solve 90% of the murders, much less
find and trace the weapon.


So what? You can't name any recent gun mass murderer who
didn't use a legally purchased gun. Go ahead and try.
Might be over 95%. Prove otherwise.
What's the difference in background checking you, or Harry,
or Nancy Lanza, or Syed Rizwan Farook?
No difference at all.
Just get used to it.

Alex[_6_] January 6th 16 01:24 AM

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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/5/16 8:49 AM, amdx wrote:
My wife ask me to buy her a Sig Sauer P238 Nitron.
I'm looking over websites and found Top Gun Supply.
Has anyone purchased from TOP GUN?
What paperwork is involved for an internet purchase?
We have Florida CC permits.

Mikek


Typically, you have to have a pistol shipped from a legitimate selling
dealer to a dealer with a federal firearms license in your area, from
whom you can pick it up. The local dealer might charge from $20 to $40
for the privilege. I've done this a few times...it's not complicated.




It's not a "privilege", they are not in the business of selling other
people's guns. $20-$25 is normal for the transfer fee and fair.

[email protected] January 6th 16 01:58 AM

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On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 16:55:31 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 6:49:03 PM UTC-6, Sing Free wrote:
'John H.[_5_ Wrote:
;1052329']On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 8:49:25 AM UTC-5, amdx wrote:-
My wife ask me to buy her a Sig Sauer P238 Nitron.
I'm looking over websites and found Top Gun Supply.
Has anyone purchased from TOP GUN?
What paperwork is involved for an internet purchase?
We have Florida CC permits.

Mikek-

Forgot to mention... I bought this one for my wife. She loves it.

http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProdu...8-equinox.aspx

I bought my wife a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm and she loves hers
also.




--
Sing Free


Those are a nice pistol. My nephew has one which I've fired several times. I like it with the exception of one feature, in that it's hammerless. Im too old school. LOL. Otherwise....


Hammerless is basically for people who want it in their pocket.

Tim January 6th 16 02:12 AM

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7:58
On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 16:55:31 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:
- show quoted text -
Hammerless is basically for people who want it in their pocket.
-----

Well I have carried my chambered Hungarian MAK in my pocket and I just like the feel of my thumb on the hammer knowing I could draw'n cock it simultaneously... I simply feel better about it.

[email protected] January 6th 16 02:58 AM

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On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 17:24:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I thought that in our system of government, majority rules.


===

Not so fast there. One of the reasons that it took so long to hammer
out the original constitution is that the smaller states did not want
to be dominated by the larger ones. That's why we have two senators
per state regardless of population among other things. There are a
*lot* of people who do not want to be governed by the concepts and
needs of the big population centers but unfortunately that seems to be
the trend of things.

[email protected] January 6th 16 03:02 AM

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On Tue, 05 Jan 2016 17:10:37 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Reince Priebus, the head of the Republican National Committee, said the changes were
"all about burnishing the president’s legacy and boosting Democrat enthusiasm in a
presidential election year."

I totally agree.


===

I call it political theater.

[email protected] January 6th 16 03:07 AM

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On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 16:53:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Not sure about them being a federal felony. Were the sellers officially
"dealers"? As I understand current federal laws, if
they are not dealers, a background check is not required. Correct me
if I am wrong please.


===

I believe the federal felony occurred whrn they crossed state lines.

[email protected] January 6th 16 03:10 AM

Purchasing a Pistol
 
On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 19:23:26 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 12:17:39 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

After all, about 90% of gun murderers use guns that were
legally purchased.


That is bull****. They don't even solve 90% of the murders, much less
find and trace the weapon.


So what? You can't name any recent gun mass murderer who
didn't use a legally purchased gun. Go ahead and try.
Might be over 95%. Prove otherwise.
What's the difference in background checking you, or Harry,
or Nancy Lanza, or Syed Rizwan Farook?
No difference at all.
Just get used to it.


You are talking about something less than 1% of the murders. There are
~11,000 a year and the news makers account for less than 100.
Go look at the number of unsolved murders in the big cities where most
of these people fall. Then get back to me. If you want to "Harry out"
I will go get the FBI UCR and do it myself. I have the 2013 in a
spreadsheet as we speak.


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