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Keyser Söze January 2nd 16 08:11 PM

Heh heh heh Trump Appears in Terrorist Recruitment Vid
 
http://tinyurl.com/pfgswc5

The militant group Al-Shabaab -- Al Qaeda's affiliate in Somalia -- has
released a recruitment video featuring GOP presidential frontrunner
Donald Trump.

The more-than 51-minute propaganda video comes on the heels of a war of
words between Trump and Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton over her
suggestion that the real estate mogul's controversial remarks about
Muslims would be used to recruit jihadis.

---

Trump...without question the biggest asshole in the 2016 election race.

Mr. Luddite January 2nd 16 09:06 PM

Heh heh heh Trump Appears in Terrorist Recruitment Vid
 
On 1/2/2016 3:11 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/pfgswc5

The militant group Al-Shabaab -- Al Qaeda's affiliate in Somalia -- has
released a recruitment video featuring GOP presidential frontrunner
Donald Trump.

The more-than 51-minute propaganda video comes on the heels of a war of
words between Trump and Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton over her
suggestion that the real estate mogul's controversial remarks about
Muslims would be used to recruit jihadis.

---

Trump...without question the biggest asshole in the 2016 election race.



She didn't say "would". She said it *had* been used. At that time it
had not.



Keyser Söze January 2nd 16 09:13 PM

Heh heh heh Trump Appears in Terrorist Recruitment Vid
 
On 1/2/16 4:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 3:11 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/pfgswc5

The militant group Al-Shabaab -- Al Qaeda's affiliate in Somalia -- has
released a recruitment video featuring GOP presidential frontrunner
Donald Trump.

The more-than 51-minute propaganda video comes on the heels of a war of
words between Trump and Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton over her
suggestion that the real estate mogul's controversial remarks about
Muslims would be used to recruit jihadis.

---

Trump...without question the biggest asshole in the 2016 election race.



She didn't say "would". She said it *had* been used. At that time it
had not.



Know that for a fact, do you?

What's funny is that the horse's ass known as Trump was "indignant"
about the claim when it surfaced, and now he is gloating. He is *so*
modern day Republican.

John H.[_5_] January 2nd 16 09:19 PM

Heh heh heh Trump Appears in Terrorist Recruitment Vid
 
On Sat, 2 Jan 2016 15:11:39 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/pfgswc5

The militant group Al-Shabaab -- Al Qaeda's affiliate in Somalia -- has
released a recruitment video featuring GOP presidential frontrunner
Donald Trump.

The more-than 51-minute propaganda video comes on the heels of a war of
words between Trump and Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton over her
suggestion that the real estate mogul's controversial remarks about
Muslims would be used to recruit jihadis.

---

Trump...without question the biggest asshole in the 2016 election race.


I'm thinking Hillary sold it to them, cheaply, to lend some credence to her bull****.

You understand, I'm sure.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

John H.[_5_] January 2nd 16 09:20 PM

Heh heh heh Trump Appears in Terrorist Recruitment Vid
 
On Sat, 2 Jan 2016 16:13:27 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 1/2/16 4:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 3:11 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/pfgswc5

The militant group Al-Shabaab -- Al Qaeda's affiliate in Somalia -- has
released a recruitment video featuring GOP presidential frontrunner
Donald Trump.

The more-than 51-minute propaganda video comes on the heels of a war of
words between Trump and Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton over her
suggestion that the real estate mogul's controversial remarks about
Muslims would be used to recruit jihadis.

---

Trump...without question the biggest asshole in the 2016 election race.



She didn't say "would". She said it *had* been used. At that time it
had not.



Know that for a fact, do you?

What's funny is that the horse's ass known as Trump was "indignant"
about the claim when it surfaced, and now he is gloating. He is *so*
modern day Republican.


Hell, I think he was ****ed off at her lies. But you wouldn't understand that, eh?
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Mr. Luddite January 2nd 16 09:26 PM

Heh heh heh Trump Appears in Terrorist Recruitment Vid
 
On 1/2/2016 4:13 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 3:11 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/pfgswc5

The militant group Al-Shabaab -- Al Qaeda's affiliate in Somalia -- has
released a recruitment video featuring GOP presidential frontrunner
Donald Trump.

The more-than 51-minute propaganda video comes on the heels of a war of
words between Trump and Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton over her
suggestion that the real estate mogul's controversial remarks about
Muslims would be used to recruit jihadis.

---

Trump...without question the biggest asshole in the 2016 election race.



She didn't say "would". She said it *had* been used. At that time it
had not.



Know that for a fact, do you?

What's funny is that the horse's ass known as Trump was "indignant"
about the claim when it surfaced, and now he is gloating. He is *so*
modern day Republican.



I know this: When she first made the statement that a recruitment video
*had* been made virtually every media outlet went searching for it.
Obviously the first to find it would have an "exclusive". Problem was,
no video was found and they acknowledged that.

The fact that one has now been made (after she planted the idea
probably) doesn't change the fact that Hillary has a problem with
blaming things on videos.

But, yes, Trump *is* an ass.

Justan Olphart[_2_] January 2nd 16 11:09 PM

Heh heh heh Trump Appears in Terrorist Recruitment Vid
 
On 1/2/2016 4:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 4:13 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 3:11 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/pfgswc5

The militant group Al-Shabaab -- Al Qaeda's affiliate in Somalia -- has
released a recruitment video featuring GOP presidential frontrunner
Donald Trump.

The more-than 51-minute propaganda video comes on the heels of a war of
words between Trump and Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton over her
suggestion that the real estate mogul's controversial remarks about
Muslims would be used to recruit jihadis.

---

Trump...without question the biggest asshole in the 2016 election race.


She didn't say "would". She said it *had* been used. At that time it
had not.



Know that for a fact, do you?

What's funny is that the horse's ass known as Trump was "indignant"
about the claim when it surfaced, and now he is gloating. He is *so*
modern day Republican.



I know this: When she first made the statement that a recruitment video
*had* been made virtually every media outlet went searching for it.
Obviously the first to find it would have an "exclusive". Problem was,
no video was found and they acknowledged that.

The fact that one has now been made (after she planted the idea
probably) doesn't change the fact that Hillary has a problem with
blaming things on videos.

But, yes, Trump *is* an ass.


Hillery has a problem with lying. Period!

[email protected] January 2nd 16 11:47 PM

Heh heh heh Trump Appears in Terrorist Recruitment Vid
 
On Sat, 2 Jan 2016 18:09:13 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 1/2/2016 4:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 4:13 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 3:11 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/pfgswc5

The militant group Al-Shabaab -- Al Qaeda's affiliate in Somalia -- has
released a recruitment video featuring GOP presidential frontrunner
Donald Trump.

The more-than 51-minute propaganda video comes on the heels of a war of
words between Trump and Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton over her
suggestion that the real estate mogul's controversial remarks about
Muslims would be used to recruit jihadis.

---

Trump...without question the biggest asshole in the 2016 election race.


She didn't say "would". She said it *had* been used. At that time it
had not.



Know that for a fact, do you?

What's funny is that the horse's ass known as Trump was "indignant"
about the claim when it surfaced, and now he is gloating. He is *so*
modern day Republican.



I know this: When she first made the statement that a recruitment video
*had* been made virtually every media outlet went searching for it.
Obviously the first to find it would have an "exclusive". Problem was,
no video was found and they acknowledged that.

The fact that one has now been made (after she planted the idea
probably) doesn't change the fact that Hillary has a problem with
blaming things on videos.

But, yes, Trump *is* an ass.


Hillery has a problem with lying. Period!


===

She, Trump and Cruz would all have trouble recognizing the truth if
they tripped and fell face down in it.

Keyser Söze January 3rd 16 12:00 AM

Heh heh heh Trump Appears in Terrorist Recruitment Vid
 
On 1/2/16 4:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 4:13 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 3:11 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/pfgswc5

The militant group Al-Shabaab -- Al Qaeda's affiliate in Somalia -- has
released a recruitment video featuring GOP presidential frontrunner
Donald Trump.

The more-than 51-minute propaganda video comes on the heels of a war of
words between Trump and Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton over her
suggestion that the real estate mogul's controversial remarks about
Muslims would be used to recruit jihadis.

---

Trump...without question the biggest asshole in the 2016 election race.


She didn't say "would". She said it *had* been used. At that time it
had not.



Know that for a fact, do you?

What's funny is that the horse's ass known as Trump was "indignant"
about the claim when it surfaced, and now he is gloating. He is *so*
modern day Republican.



I know this: When she first made the statement that a recruitment video
*had* been made virtually every media outlet went searching for it.
Obviously the first to find it would have an "exclusive". Problem was,
no video was found and they acknowledged that.

The fact that one has now been made (after she planted the idea
probably) doesn't change the fact that Hillary has a problem with
blaming things on videos.

But, yes, Trump *is* an ass.


Unless the Repugnants figure out a way to stop him, it is beginning to
look like Trump will be the nominee, and the fall-back guy is Ted Cruz.
Either of those possibilities strike me as funny

[email protected] January 3rd 16 02:09 AM

Heh heh heh Trump Appears in Terrorist Recruitment Vid
 
On Sat, 2 Jan 2016 15:11:39 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/pfgswc5

The militant group Al-Shabaab -- Al Qaeda's affiliate in Somalia -- has
released a recruitment video featuring GOP presidential frontrunner
Donald Trump.


So when Hillary shows up in a terrorist video, we can be rid of her
too?
I imagine that already exists.


Tim January 3rd 16 02:13 AM

Heh heh heh Trump Appears in Terrorist Recruitment Vid
 
6:00 PMKeyser Söze
- show quoted text -
Unless the Repugnants figure out a way to stop him, it is beginning to
look like Trump will be the nominee, and the fall-back guy is Ted Cruz.
Either of those possibilities strike me as funny
-------

But Harry, in here you're Trumps biggest fan. You cheat him on frequently. Odd that in here no one else does, that is except you of course...

Mr. Luddite January 3rd 16 06:14 AM

Heh heh heh Trump Appears in Terrorist Recruitment Vid
 
On 1/2/2016 7:00 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 4:13 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 3:11 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/pfgswc5

The militant group Al-Shabaab -- Al Qaeda's affiliate in Somalia --
has
released a recruitment video featuring GOP presidential frontrunner
Donald Trump.

The more-than 51-minute propaganda video comes on the heels of a
war of
words between Trump and Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton over
her
suggestion that the real estate mogul's controversial remarks about
Muslims would be used to recruit jihadis.

---

Trump...without question the biggest asshole in the 2016 election
race.


She didn't say "would". She said it *had* been used. At that time it
had not.



Know that for a fact, do you?

What's funny is that the horse's ass known as Trump was "indignant"
about the claim when it surfaced, and now he is gloating. He is *so*
modern day Republican.



I know this: When she first made the statement that a recruitment video
*had* been made virtually every media outlet went searching for it.
Obviously the first to find it would have an "exclusive". Problem was,
no video was found and they acknowledged that.

The fact that one has now been made (after she planted the idea
probably) doesn't change the fact that Hillary has a problem with
blaming things on videos.

But, yes, Trump *is* an ass.


Unless the Repugnants figure out a way to stop him, it is beginning to
look like Trump will be the nominee, and the fall-back guy is Ted Cruz.
Either of those possibilities strike me as funny



Take a look at the latest polling data averages for the general
election. Hillary still holds a lead over Trump but the gap has
narrowed significantly compared to a month or two ago. A Cruz versus
Clinton matchup is currently a tie. Rubio actually holds a slight lead
over Clinton. Even Carson polls well against her. Might be closer than
you thought a while back.

Mr. Luddite January 3rd 16 06:15 AM

Heh heh heh Trump Appears in Terrorist Recruitment Vid
 
On 1/3/2016 1:14 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 7:00 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 4:13 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 3:11 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/pfgswc5

The militant group Al-Shabaab -- Al Qaeda's affiliate in Somalia --
has
released a recruitment video featuring GOP presidential frontrunner
Donald Trump.

The more-than 51-minute propaganda video comes on the heels of a
war of
words between Trump and Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton over
her
suggestion that the real estate mogul's controversial remarks about
Muslims would be used to recruit jihadis.

---

Trump...without question the biggest asshole in the 2016 election
race.


She didn't say "would". She said it *had* been used. At that time it
had not.



Know that for a fact, do you?

What's funny is that the horse's ass known as Trump was "indignant"
about the claim when it surfaced, and now he is gloating. He is *so*
modern day Republican.


I know this: When she first made the statement that a recruitment video
*had* been made virtually every media outlet went searching for it.
Obviously the first to find it would have an "exclusive". Problem was,
no video was found and they acknowledged that.

The fact that one has now been made (after she planted the idea
probably) doesn't change the fact that Hillary has a problem with
blaming things on videos.

But, yes, Trump *is* an ass.


Unless the Repugnants figure out a way to stop him, it is beginning to
look like Trump will be the nominee, and the fall-back guy is Ted Cruz.
Either of those possibilities strike me as funny



Take a look at the latest polling data averages for the general
election. Hillary still holds a lead over Trump but the gap has
narrowed significantly compared to a month or two ago. A Cruz versus
Clinton matchup is currently a tie. Rubio actually holds a slight lead
over Clinton. Even Carson polls well against her. Might be closer than
you thought a while back.



Forgot the link:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html

[email protected] January 3rd 16 06:52 AM

Heh heh heh Trump Appears in Terrorist Recruitment Vid
 
On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 01:14:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



Take a look at the latest polling data averages for the general
election. Hillary still holds a lead over Trump but the gap has
narrowed significantly compared to a month or two ago. A Cruz versus
Clinton matchup is currently a tie. Rubio actually holds a slight lead
over Clinton. Even Carson polls well against her. Might be closer than
you thought a while back.


Rubio might end up being the best worst choice in that group.
(including HRC)
He is really a blank slate tho. I don't pay much attention to anything
he has said so far. The DC machine has not taken hold of him yet.

Keyser Söze January 3rd 16 02:45 PM

Heh heh heh Trump Appears in Terrorist Recruitment Vid
 
On 1/3/16 1:14 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 7:00 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 4:13 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 3:11 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/pfgswc5

The militant group Al-Shabaab -- Al Qaeda's affiliate in Somalia --
has
released a recruitment video featuring GOP presidential frontrunner
Donald Trump.

The more-than 51-minute propaganda video comes on the heels of a
war of
words between Trump and Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton over
her
suggestion that the real estate mogul's controversial remarks about
Muslims would be used to recruit jihadis.

---

Trump...without question the biggest asshole in the 2016 election
race.


She didn't say "would". She said it *had* been used. At that time it
had not.



Know that for a fact, do you?

What's funny is that the horse's ass known as Trump was "indignant"
about the claim when it surfaced, and now he is gloating. He is *so*
modern day Republican.


I know this: When she first made the statement that a recruitment video
*had* been made virtually every media outlet went searching for it.
Obviously the first to find it would have an "exclusive". Problem was,
no video was found and they acknowledged that.

The fact that one has now been made (after she planted the idea
probably) doesn't change the fact that Hillary has a problem with
blaming things on videos.

But, yes, Trump *is* an ass.


Unless the Repugnants figure out a way to stop him, it is beginning to
look like Trump will be the nominee, and the fall-back guy is Ted Cruz.
Either of those possibilities strike me as funny



Take a look at the latest polling data averages for the general
election. Hillary still holds a lead over Trump but the gap has
narrowed significantly compared to a month or two ago. A Cruz versus
Clinton matchup is currently a tie. Rubio actually holds a slight lead
over Clinton. Even Carson polls well against her. Might be closer than
you thought a while back.



I don't think so.

I think what popularity Rubio has is based on the fact that he's neither
Trump nor Cruz. He really seems to be an empty suit and a lousy campaigner.

Cruz is a nutcase. There are hundreds of videos of him demonstrating
that. They'll get a lot of play. Plus, he is overzealously a religious
fundie, and that is not going to work in a general election.

Carson is on the way out.

Mr. Luddite January 3rd 16 03:42 PM

Heh heh heh Trump Appears in Terrorist Recruitment Vid
 
On 1/3/2016 9:45 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/3/16 1:14 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 7:00 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 4:13 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 3:11 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/pfgswc5

The militant group Al-Shabaab -- Al Qaeda's affiliate in Somalia --
has
released a recruitment video featuring GOP presidential frontrunner
Donald Trump.

The more-than 51-minute propaganda video comes on the heels of a
war of
words between Trump and Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton over
her
suggestion that the real estate mogul's controversial remarks about
Muslims would be used to recruit jihadis.

---

Trump...without question the biggest asshole in the 2016 election
race.


She didn't say "would". She said it *had* been used. At that
time it
had not.



Know that for a fact, do you?

What's funny is that the horse's ass known as Trump was "indignant"
about the claim when it surfaced, and now he is gloating. He is *so*
modern day Republican.


I know this: When she first made the statement that a recruitment
video
*had* been made virtually every media outlet went searching for it.
Obviously the first to find it would have an "exclusive". Problem was,
no video was found and they acknowledged that.

The fact that one has now been made (after she planted the idea
probably) doesn't change the fact that Hillary has a problem with
blaming things on videos.

But, yes, Trump *is* an ass.

Unless the Repugnants figure out a way to stop him, it is beginning to
look like Trump will be the nominee, and the fall-back guy is Ted Cruz.
Either of those possibilities strike me as funny



Take a look at the latest polling data averages for the general
election. Hillary still holds a lead over Trump but the gap has
narrowed significantly compared to a month or two ago. A Cruz versus
Clinton matchup is currently a tie. Rubio actually holds a slight lead
over Clinton. Even Carson polls well against her. Might be closer than
you thought a while back.



I don't think so.

I think what popularity Rubio has is based on the fact that he's neither
Trump nor Cruz. He really seems to be an empty suit and a lousy campaigner.

Cruz is a nutcase. There are hundreds of videos of him demonstrating
that. They'll get a lot of play. Plus, he is overzealously a religious
fundie, and that is not going to work in a general election.

Carson is on the way out.



So, in other words, the pollsters have it all wrong, eh?

There is a strong anti-Hillary sentiment that exists in the country that
is not exclusive to Republicans. Many Democrats consider her to
be untrustworthy and dishonest but most, like you, will vote the party
line rather than for a Republican. I understand that. But,
there is a widening range of Independents who will most likely determine
who the next POTUS is.



Justan Olphart[_2_] January 3rd 16 04:16 PM

Heh heh heh Trump Appears in Terrorist Recruitment Vid
 
On 1/3/2016 10:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/3/2016 9:45 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/3/16 1:14 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 7:00 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 4:13 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 3:11 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/pfgswc5

The militant group Al-Shabaab -- Al Qaeda's affiliate in Somalia --
has
released a recruitment video featuring GOP presidential frontrunner
Donald Trump.

The more-than 51-minute propaganda video comes on the heels of a
war of
words between Trump and Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton over
her
suggestion that the real estate mogul's controversial remarks about
Muslims would be used to recruit jihadis.

---

Trump...without question the biggest asshole in the 2016 election
race.


She didn't say "would". She said it *had* been used. At that
time it
had not.



Know that for a fact, do you?

What's funny is that the horse's ass known as Trump was "indignant"
about the claim when it surfaced, and now he is gloating. He is *so*
modern day Republican.


I know this: When she first made the statement that a recruitment
video
*had* been made virtually every media outlet went searching for it.
Obviously the first to find it would have an "exclusive". Problem
was,
no video was found and they acknowledged that.

The fact that one has now been made (after she planted the idea
probably) doesn't change the fact that Hillary has a problem with
blaming things on videos.

But, yes, Trump *is* an ass.

Unless the Repugnants figure out a way to stop him, it is beginning to
look like Trump will be the nominee, and the fall-back guy is Ted Cruz.
Either of those possibilities strike me as funny


Take a look at the latest polling data averages for the general
election. Hillary still holds a lead over Trump but the gap has
narrowed significantly compared to a month or two ago. A Cruz versus
Clinton matchup is currently a tie. Rubio actually holds a slight lead
over Clinton. Even Carson polls well against her. Might be closer than
you thought a while back.



I don't think so.

I think what popularity Rubio has is based on the fact that he's neither
Trump nor Cruz. He really seems to be an empty suit and a lousy
campaigner.

Cruz is a nutcase. There are hundreds of videos of him demonstrating
that. They'll get a lot of play. Plus, he is overzealously a religious
fundie, and that is not going to work in a general election.

Carson is on the way out.



So, in other words, the pollsters have it all wrong, eh?

There is a strong anti-Hillary sentiment that exists in the country that
is not exclusive to Republicans. Many Democrats consider her to
be untrustworthy and dishonest but most, like you, will vote the party
line rather than for a Republican. I understand that. But,
there is a widening range of Independents who will most likely determine
who the next POTUS is.


If we can get enough democratic atheists to ignore Rubio's private and
personal religious beliefs, he will have a decent chance of beating
Hillery by a landslide.

Keyser Söze January 3rd 16 05:36 PM

Heh heh heh Trump Appears in Terrorist Recruitment Vid
 
On 1/3/16 10:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/3/2016 9:45 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/3/16 1:14 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 7:00 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 4:13 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 3:11 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/pfgswc5

The militant group Al-Shabaab -- Al Qaeda's affiliate in Somalia --
has
released a recruitment video featuring GOP presidential frontrunner
Donald Trump.

The more-than 51-minute propaganda video comes on the heels of a
war of
words between Trump and Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton over
her
suggestion that the real estate mogul's controversial remarks about
Muslims would be used to recruit jihadis.

---

Trump...without question the biggest asshole in the 2016 election
race.


She didn't say "would". She said it *had* been used. At that
time it
had not.



Know that for a fact, do you?

What's funny is that the horse's ass known as Trump was "indignant"
about the claim when it surfaced, and now he is gloating. He is *so*
modern day Republican.


I know this: When she first made the statement that a recruitment
video
*had* been made virtually every media outlet went searching for it.
Obviously the first to find it would have an "exclusive". Problem
was,
no video was found and they acknowledged that.

The fact that one has now been made (after she planted the idea
probably) doesn't change the fact that Hillary has a problem with
blaming things on videos.

But, yes, Trump *is* an ass.

Unless the Repugnants figure out a way to stop him, it is beginning to
look like Trump will be the nominee, and the fall-back guy is Ted Cruz.
Either of those possibilities strike me as funny


Take a look at the latest polling data averages for the general
election. Hillary still holds a lead over Trump but the gap has
narrowed significantly compared to a month or two ago. A Cruz versus
Clinton matchup is currently a tie. Rubio actually holds a slight lead
over Clinton. Even Carson polls well against her. Might be closer than
you thought a while back.



I don't think so.

I think what popularity Rubio has is based on the fact that he's neither
Trump nor Cruz. He really seems to be an empty suit and a lousy
campaigner.

Cruz is a nutcase. There are hundreds of videos of him demonstrating
that. They'll get a lot of play. Plus, he is overzealously a religious
fundie, and that is not going to work in a general election.

Carson is on the way out.



So, in other words, the pollsters have it all wrong, eh?

There is a strong anti-Hillary sentiment that exists in the country that
is not exclusive to Republicans. Many Democrats consider her to
be untrustworthy and dishonest but most, like you, will vote the party
line rather than for a Republican. I understand that. But,
there is a widening range of Independents who will most likely determine
who the next POTUS is.



Whatever Mrs. Clinton's shortcomings, real or imagined, there's no
question she would be a better POTUS than any of the Repubs who might
survive the early caucuses and primaries, such as Trump, Cruz, or Rubio.

[email protected] January 3rd 16 05:47 PM

Heh heh heh Trump Appears in Terrorist Recruitment Vid
 
On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 12:36:27 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 1/3/16 10:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/3/2016 9:45 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/3/16 1:14 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 7:00 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 4:13 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 3:11 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/pfgswc5

The militant group Al-Shabaab -- Al Qaeda's affiliate in Somalia --
has
released a recruitment video featuring GOP presidential frontrunner
Donald Trump.

The more-than 51-minute propaganda video comes on the heels of a
war of
words between Trump and Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton over
her
suggestion that the real estate mogul's controversial remarks about
Muslims would be used to recruit jihadis.

---

Trump...without question the biggest asshole in the 2016 election
race.


She didn't say "would". She said it *had* been used. At that
time it
had not.



Know that for a fact, do you?

What's funny is that the horse's ass known as Trump was "indignant"
about the claim when it surfaced, and now he is gloating. He is *so*
modern day Republican.


I know this: When she first made the statement that a recruitment
video
*had* been made virtually every media outlet went searching for it.
Obviously the first to find it would have an "exclusive". Problem
was,
no video was found and they acknowledged that.

The fact that one has now been made (after she planted the idea
probably) doesn't change the fact that Hillary has a problem with
blaming things on videos.

But, yes, Trump *is* an ass.

Unless the Repugnants figure out a way to stop him, it is beginning to
look like Trump will be the nominee, and the fall-back guy is Ted Cruz.
Either of those possibilities strike me as funny


Take a look at the latest polling data averages for the general
election. Hillary still holds a lead over Trump but the gap has
narrowed significantly compared to a month or two ago. A Cruz versus
Clinton matchup is currently a tie. Rubio actually holds a slight lead
over Clinton. Even Carson polls well against her. Might be closer than
you thought a while back.


I don't think so.

I think what popularity Rubio has is based on the fact that he's neither
Trump nor Cruz. He really seems to be an empty suit and a lousy
campaigner.

Cruz is a nutcase. There are hundreds of videos of him demonstrating
that. They'll get a lot of play. Plus, he is overzealously a religious
fundie, and that is not going to work in a general election.

Carson is on the way out.



So, in other words, the pollsters have it all wrong, eh?

There is a strong anti-Hillary sentiment that exists in the country that
is not exclusive to Republicans. Many Democrats consider her to
be untrustworthy and dishonest but most, like you, will vote the party
line rather than for a Republican. I understand that. But,
there is a widening range of Independents who will most likely determine
who the next POTUS is.



Whatever Mrs. Clinton's shortcomings, real or imagined, there's no
question she would be a better POTUS than any of the Repubs who might
survive the early caucuses and primaries, such as Trump, Cruz, or Rubio.


===

That may very well be true but it speaks more to the sad state of
affairs with the Republican party than it does to Ms. Clinton's
qualifications.

Justan Olphart[_2_] January 3rd 16 05:47 PM

Heh heh heh Trump Appears in Terrorist Recruitment Vid
 
On 1/3/2016 12:36 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/3/16 10:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/3/2016 9:45 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/3/16 1:14 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 7:00 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 4:13 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 3:11 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/pfgswc5

The militant group Al-Shabaab -- Al Qaeda's affiliate in
Somalia --
has
released a recruitment video featuring GOP presidential
frontrunner
Donald Trump.

The more-than 51-minute propaganda video comes on the heels of a
war of
words between Trump and Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton
over
her
suggestion that the real estate mogul's controversial remarks
about
Muslims would be used to recruit jihadis.

---

Trump...without question the biggest asshole in the 2016 election
race.


She didn't say "would". She said it *had* been used. At that
time it
had not.



Know that for a fact, do you?

What's funny is that the horse's ass known as Trump was "indignant"
about the claim when it surfaced, and now he is gloating. He is *so*
modern day Republican.


I know this: When she first made the statement that a recruitment
video
*had* been made virtually every media outlet went searching for it.
Obviously the first to find it would have an "exclusive". Problem
was,
no video was found and they acknowledged that.

The fact that one has now been made (after she planted the idea
probably) doesn't change the fact that Hillary has a problem with
blaming things on videos.

But, yes, Trump *is* an ass.

Unless the Repugnants figure out a way to stop him, it is beginning to
look like Trump will be the nominee, and the fall-back guy is Ted
Cruz.
Either of those possibilities strike me as funny


Take a look at the latest polling data averages for the general
election. Hillary still holds a lead over Trump but the gap has
narrowed significantly compared to a month or two ago. A Cruz versus
Clinton matchup is currently a tie. Rubio actually holds a slight lead
over Clinton. Even Carson polls well against her. Might be closer
than
you thought a while back.


I don't think so.

I think what popularity Rubio has is based on the fact that he's neither
Trump nor Cruz. He really seems to be an empty suit and a lousy
campaigner.

Cruz is a nutcase. There are hundreds of videos of him demonstrating
that. They'll get a lot of play. Plus, he is overzealously a religious
fundie, and that is not going to work in a general election.

Carson is on the way out.



So, in other words, the pollsters have it all wrong, eh?

There is a strong anti-Hillary sentiment that exists in the country that
is not exclusive to Republicans. Many Democrats consider her to
be untrustworthy and dishonest but most, like you, will vote the party
line rather than for a Republican. I understand that. But,
there is a widening range of Independents who will most likely determine
who the next POTUS is.



Whatever Mrs. Clinton's shortcomings, real or imagined, there's no
question she would be a better POTUS than any of the Repubs who might
survive the early caucuses and primaries, such as Trump, Cruz, or Rubio.


In your mind. There are over 300 million people who likely don't hold
the unwavering dedication to the Democratic party that you do.

Mr. Luddite January 3rd 16 06:33 PM

Heh heh heh Trump Appears in Terrorist Recruitment Vid
 
On 1/3/2016 12:36 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/3/16 10:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/3/2016 9:45 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/3/16 1:14 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 7:00 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 4:13 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 3:11 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/pfgswc5

The militant group Al-Shabaab -- Al Qaeda's affiliate in
Somalia --
has
released a recruitment video featuring GOP presidential
frontrunner
Donald Trump.

The more-than 51-minute propaganda video comes on the heels of a
war of
words between Trump and Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton
over
her
suggestion that the real estate mogul's controversial remarks
about
Muslims would be used to recruit jihadis.

---

Trump...without question the biggest asshole in the 2016 election
race.


She didn't say "would". She said it *had* been used. At that
time it
had not.



Know that for a fact, do you?

What's funny is that the horse's ass known as Trump was "indignant"
about the claim when it surfaced, and now he is gloating. He is *so*
modern day Republican.


I know this: When she first made the statement that a recruitment
video
*had* been made virtually every media outlet went searching for it.
Obviously the first to find it would have an "exclusive". Problem
was,
no video was found and they acknowledged that.

The fact that one has now been made (after she planted the idea
probably) doesn't change the fact that Hillary has a problem with
blaming things on videos.

But, yes, Trump *is* an ass.

Unless the Repugnants figure out a way to stop him, it is beginning to
look like Trump will be the nominee, and the fall-back guy is Ted
Cruz.
Either of those possibilities strike me as funny


Take a look at the latest polling data averages for the general
election. Hillary still holds a lead over Trump but the gap has
narrowed significantly compared to a month or two ago. A Cruz versus
Clinton matchup is currently a tie. Rubio actually holds a slight lead
over Clinton. Even Carson polls well against her. Might be closer
than
you thought a while back.


I don't think so.

I think what popularity Rubio has is based on the fact that he's neither
Trump nor Cruz. He really seems to be an empty suit and a lousy
campaigner.

Cruz is a nutcase. There are hundreds of videos of him demonstrating
that. They'll get a lot of play. Plus, he is overzealously a religious
fundie, and that is not going to work in a general election.

Carson is on the way out.



So, in other words, the pollsters have it all wrong, eh?

There is a strong anti-Hillary sentiment that exists in the country that
is not exclusive to Republicans. Many Democrats consider her to
be untrustworthy and dishonest but most, like you, will vote the party
line rather than for a Republican. I understand that. But,
there is a widening range of Independents who will most likely determine
who the next POTUS is.



Whatever Mrs. Clinton's shortcomings, real or imagined, there's no
question she would be a better POTUS than any of the Repubs who might
survive the early caucuses and primaries, such as Trump, Cruz, or Rubio.


That's just your personal opinion and not related to this discussion.
The discussion was about the latest poll results and the fact that the
election may be a lot closer than what you have been preaching for many
months.



Califbill January 3rd 16 06:51 PM

Heh heh heh Trump Appears in Terrorist Recruitment Vid
 
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/3/16 10:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/3/2016 9:45 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/3/16 1:14 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 7:00 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 4:13 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 3:11 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/pfgswc5

The militant group Al-Shabaab -- Al Qaeda's affiliate in Somalia --
has
released a recruitment video featuring GOP presidential frontrunner
Donald Trump.

The more-than 51-minute propaganda video comes on the heels of a
war of
words between Trump and Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton over
her
suggestion that the real estate mogul's controversial remarks about
Muslims would be used to recruit jihadis.

---

Trump...without question the biggest asshole in the 2016 election
race.


She didn't say "would". She said it *had* been used. At that
time it
had not.



Know that for a fact, do you?

What's funny is that the horse's ass known as Trump was "indignant"
about the claim when it surfaced, and now he is gloating. He is *so*
modern day Republican.


I know this: When she first made the statement that a recruitment
video
*had* been made virtually every media outlet went searching for it.
Obviously the first to find it would have an "exclusive". Problem
was,
no video was found and they acknowledged that.

The fact that one has now been made (after she planted the idea
probably) doesn't change the fact that Hillary has a problem with
blaming things on videos.

But, yes, Trump *is* an ass.

Unless the Repugnants figure out a way to stop him, it is beginning to
look like Trump will be the nominee, and the fall-back guy is Ted Cruz.
Either of those possibilities strike me as funny


Take a look at the latest polling data averages for the general
election. Hillary still holds a lead over Trump but the gap has
narrowed significantly compared to a month or two ago. A Cruz versus
Clinton matchup is currently a tie. Rubio actually holds a slight lead
over Clinton. Even Carson polls well against her. Might be closer than
you thought a while back.


I don't think so.

I think what popularity Rubio has is based on the fact that he's neither
Trump nor Cruz. He really seems to be an empty suit and a lousy
campaigner.

Cruz is a nutcase. There are hundreds of videos of him demonstrating
that. They'll get a lot of play. Plus, he is overzealously a religious
fundie, and that is not going to work in a general election.

Carson is on the way out.



So, in other words, the pollsters have it all wrong, eh?

There is a strong anti-Hillary sentiment that exists in the country that
is not exclusive to Republicans. Many Democrats consider her to
be untrustworthy and dishonest but most, like you, will vote the party
line rather than for a Republican. I understand that. But,
there is a widening range of Independents who will most likely determine
who the next POTUS is.



Whatever Mrs. Clinton's shortcomings, real or imagined, there's no
question she would be a better POTUS than any of the Repubs who might
survive the early caucuses and primaries, such as Trump, Cruz, or Rubio.


Explain why a liar and incompetent lawyer would make a better POTUS.


Keyser Söze January 3rd 16 06:53 PM

Heh heh heh Trump Appears in Terrorist Recruitment Vid
 
On 1/3/16 1:51 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/3/16 10:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/3/2016 9:45 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/3/16 1:14 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 7:00 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 4:13 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 3:11 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/pfgswc5

The militant group Al-Shabaab -- Al Qaeda's affiliate in Somalia --
has
released a recruitment video featuring GOP presidential frontrunner
Donald Trump.

The more-than 51-minute propaganda video comes on the heels of a
war of
words between Trump and Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton over
her
suggestion that the real estate mogul's controversial remarks about
Muslims would be used to recruit jihadis.

---

Trump...without question the biggest asshole in the 2016 election
race.


She didn't say "would". She said it *had* been used. At that
time it
had not.



Know that for a fact, do you?

What's funny is that the horse's ass known as Trump was "indignant"
about the claim when it surfaced, and now he is gloating. He is *so*
modern day Republican.


I know this: When she first made the statement that a recruitment
video
*had* been made virtually every media outlet went searching for it.
Obviously the first to find it would have an "exclusive". Problem
was,
no video was found and they acknowledged that.

The fact that one has now been made (after she planted the idea
probably) doesn't change the fact that Hillary has a problem with
blaming things on videos.

But, yes, Trump *is* an ass.

Unless the Repugnants figure out a way to stop him, it is beginning to
look like Trump will be the nominee, and the fall-back guy is Ted Cruz.
Either of those possibilities strike me as funny


Take a look at the latest polling data averages for the general
election. Hillary still holds a lead over Trump but the gap has
narrowed significantly compared to a month or two ago. A Cruz versus
Clinton matchup is currently a tie. Rubio actually holds a slight lead
over Clinton. Even Carson polls well against her. Might be closer than
you thought a while back.


I don't think so.

I think what popularity Rubio has is based on the fact that he's neither
Trump nor Cruz. He really seems to be an empty suit and a lousy
campaigner.

Cruz is a nutcase. There are hundreds of videos of him demonstrating
that. They'll get a lot of play. Plus, he is overzealously a religious
fundie, and that is not going to work in a general election.

Carson is on the way out.


So, in other words, the pollsters have it all wrong, eh?

There is a strong anti-Hillary sentiment that exists in the country that
is not exclusive to Republicans. Many Democrats consider her to
be untrustworthy and dishonest but most, like you, will vote the party
line rather than for a Republican. I understand that. But,
there is a widening range of Independents who will most likely determine
who the next POTUS is.



Whatever Mrs. Clinton's shortcomings, real or imagined, there's no
question she would be a better POTUS than any of the Repubs who might
survive the early caucuses and primaries, such as Trump, Cruz, or Rubio.


Explain why a liar and incompetent lawyer would make a better POTUS.


Oh, *you* think Trump, Cruz and Rubio are...truthful.
That's a joke, right?

Mr. Luddite January 3rd 16 07:19 PM

Heh heh heh Trump Appears in Terrorist Recruitment Vid
 
On 1/3/2016 1:53 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/3/16 1:51 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/3/16 10:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/3/2016 9:45 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/3/16 1:14 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 7:00 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 4:13 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 3:11 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/pfgswc5

The militant group Al-Shabaab -- Al Qaeda's affiliate in
Somalia --
has
released a recruitment video featuring GOP presidential
frontrunner
Donald Trump.

The more-than 51-minute propaganda video comes on the heels of a
war of
words between Trump and Democratic frontrunner Hillary
Clinton over
her
suggestion that the real estate mogul's controversial remarks
about
Muslims would be used to recruit jihadis.

---

Trump...without question the biggest asshole in the 2016
election
race.


She didn't say "would". She said it *had* been used. At that
time it
had not.



Know that for a fact, do you?

What's funny is that the horse's ass known as Trump was
"indignant"
about the claim when it surfaced, and now he is gloating. He is
*so*
modern day Republican.


I know this: When she first made the statement that a recruitment
video
*had* been made virtually every media outlet went searching for it.
Obviously the first to find it would have an "exclusive". Problem
was,
no video was found and they acknowledged that.

The fact that one has now been made (after she planted the idea
probably) doesn't change the fact that Hillary has a problem with
blaming things on videos.

But, yes, Trump *is* an ass.

Unless the Repugnants figure out a way to stop him, it is
beginning to
look like Trump will be the nominee, and the fall-back guy is Ted
Cruz.
Either of those possibilities strike me as funny


Take a look at the latest polling data averages for the general
election. Hillary still holds a lead over Trump but the gap has
narrowed significantly compared to a month or two ago. A Cruz versus
Clinton matchup is currently a tie. Rubio actually holds a slight
lead
over Clinton. Even Carson polls well against her. Might be
closer than
you thought a while back.


I don't think so.

I think what popularity Rubio has is based on the fact that he's
neither
Trump nor Cruz. He really seems to be an empty suit and a lousy
campaigner.

Cruz is a nutcase. There are hundreds of videos of him demonstrating
that. They'll get a lot of play. Plus, he is overzealously a religious
fundie, and that is not going to work in a general election.

Carson is on the way out.


So, in other words, the pollsters have it all wrong, eh?

There is a strong anti-Hillary sentiment that exists in the country
that
is not exclusive to Republicans. Many Democrats consider her to
be untrustworthy and dishonest but most, like you, will vote the party
line rather than for a Republican. I understand that. But,
there is a widening range of Independents who will most likely
determine
who the next POTUS is.



Whatever Mrs. Clinton's shortcomings, real or imagined, there's no
question she would be a better POTUS than any of the Repubs who might
survive the early caucuses and primaries, such as Trump, Cruz, or Rubio.


Explain why a liar and incompetent lawyer would make a better POTUS.


Oh, *you* think Trump, Cruz and Rubio are...truthful.
That's a joke, right?



Interesting question. Let's ask it another way. Are they more *honest*
(regardless of whether you, I or anyone else agrees with them) than Hillary?


Keyser Söze January 3rd 16 07:22 PM

Heh heh heh Trump Appears in Terrorist Recruitment Vid
 
On 1/3/16 2:19 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/3/2016 1:53 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/3/16 1:51 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/3/16 10:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/3/2016 9:45 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/3/16 1:14 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 7:00 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 4:13 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 3:11 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/pfgswc5

The militant group Al-Shabaab -- Al Qaeda's affiliate in
Somalia --
has
released a recruitment video featuring GOP presidential
frontrunner
Donald Trump.

The more-than 51-minute propaganda video comes on the heels
of a
war of
words between Trump and Democratic frontrunner Hillary
Clinton over
her
suggestion that the real estate mogul's controversial remarks
about
Muslims would be used to recruit jihadis.

---

Trump...without question the biggest asshole in the 2016
election
race.


She didn't say "would". She said it *had* been used. At that
time it
had not.



Know that for a fact, do you?

What's funny is that the horse's ass known as Trump was
"indignant"
about the claim when it surfaced, and now he is gloating. He is
*so*
modern day Republican.


I know this: When she first made the statement that a recruitment
video
*had* been made virtually every media outlet went searching for
it.
Obviously the first to find it would have an "exclusive". Problem
was,
no video was found and they acknowledged that.

The fact that one has now been made (after she planted the idea
probably) doesn't change the fact that Hillary has a problem with
blaming things on videos.

But, yes, Trump *is* an ass.

Unless the Repugnants figure out a way to stop him, it is
beginning to
look like Trump will be the nominee, and the fall-back guy is Ted
Cruz.
Either of those possibilities strike me as funny


Take a look at the latest polling data averages for the general
election. Hillary still holds a lead over Trump but the gap has
narrowed significantly compared to a month or two ago. A Cruz
versus
Clinton matchup is currently a tie. Rubio actually holds a slight
lead
over Clinton. Even Carson polls well against her. Might be
closer than
you thought a while back.


I don't think so.

I think what popularity Rubio has is based on the fact that he's
neither
Trump nor Cruz. He really seems to be an empty suit and a lousy
campaigner.

Cruz is a nutcase. There are hundreds of videos of him demonstrating
that. They'll get a lot of play. Plus, he is overzealously a
religious
fundie, and that is not going to work in a general election.

Carson is on the way out.


So, in other words, the pollsters have it all wrong, eh?

There is a strong anti-Hillary sentiment that exists in the country
that
is not exclusive to Republicans. Many Democrats consider her to
be untrustworthy and dishonest but most, like you, will vote the party
line rather than for a Republican. I understand that. But,
there is a widening range of Independents who will most likely
determine
who the next POTUS is.



Whatever Mrs. Clinton's shortcomings, real or imagined, there's no
question she would be a better POTUS than any of the Repubs who might
survive the early caucuses and primaries, such as Trump, Cruz, or
Rubio.


Explain why a liar and incompetent lawyer would make a better POTUS.


Oh, *you* think Trump, Cruz and Rubio are...truthful.
That's a joke, right?



Interesting question. Let's ask it another way. Are they more *honest*
(regardless of whether you, I or anyone else agrees with them) than
Hillary?



Trump lies about just about everything. He's been fact-checked. Cruz
tells one *crazy* whopper after another. Rubio has told a number of
tales, but he's not really out there...he's sort of a mystery candidate.

Califbill January 3rd 16 07:43 PM

Heh heh heh Trump Appears in Terrorist Recruitment Vid
 
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/3/16 1:51 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/3/16 10:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/3/2016 9:45 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/3/16 1:14 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 7:00 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 4:13 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 3:11 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/pfgswc5

The militant group Al-Shabaab -- Al Qaeda's affiliate in Somalia --
has
released a recruitment video featuring GOP presidential frontrunner
Donald Trump.

The more-than 51-minute propaganda video comes on the heels of a
war of
words between Trump and Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton over
her
suggestion that the real estate mogul's controversial remarks about
Muslims would be used to recruit jihadis.

---

Trump...without question the biggest asshole in the 2016 election
race.


She didn't say "would". She said it *had* been used. At that
time it
had not.



Know that for a fact, do you?

What's funny is that the horse's ass known as Trump was "indignant"
about the claim when it surfaced, and now he is gloating. He is *so*
modern day Republican.


I know this: When she first made the statement that a recruitment
video
*had* been made virtually every media outlet went searching for it.
Obviously the first to find it would have an "exclusive". Problem
was,
no video was found and they acknowledged that.

The fact that one has now been made (after she planted the idea
probably) doesn't change the fact that Hillary has a problem with
blaming things on videos.

But, yes, Trump *is* an ass.

Unless the Repugnants figure out a way to stop him, it is beginning to
look like Trump will be the nominee, and the fall-back guy is Ted Cruz.
Either of those possibilities strike me as funny


Take a look at the latest polling data averages for the general
election. Hillary still holds a lead over Trump but the gap has
narrowed significantly compared to a month or two ago. A Cruz versus
Clinton matchup is currently a tie. Rubio actually holds a slight lead
over Clinton. Even Carson polls well against her. Might be closer than
you thought a while back.


I don't think so.

I think what popularity Rubio has is based on the fact that he's neither
Trump nor Cruz. He really seems to be an empty suit and a lousy
campaigner.

Cruz is a nutcase. There are hundreds of videos of him demonstrating
that. They'll get a lot of play. Plus, he is overzealously a religious
fundie, and that is not going to work in a general election.

Carson is on the way out.


So, in other words, the pollsters have it all wrong, eh?

There is a strong anti-Hillary sentiment that exists in the country that
is not exclusive to Republicans. Many Democrats consider her to
be untrustworthy and dishonest but most, like you, will vote the party
line rather than for a Republican. I understand that. But,
there is a widening range of Independents who will most likely determine
who the next POTUS is.



Whatever Mrs. Clinton's shortcomings, real or imagined, there's no
question she would be a better POTUS than any of the Repubs who might
survive the early caucuses and primaries, such as Trump, Cruz, or Rubio.


Explain why a liar and incompetent lawyer would make a better POTUS.


Oh, *you* think Trump, Cruz and Rubio are...truthful.
That's a joke, right?


Not even close to what I stated.


Boating All Out January 4th 16 02:14 AM

Heh heh heh Trump Appears in Terrorist Recruitment Vid
 
In article ,
says...


Which brings us back to a often forgotten fact. The "great recession"
that began on Sept 15th, 2008 was not the result of GWB economic
policies or even his spending on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The
gunpowder that ignited the recession and near collapse of the economy
was the real estate bubble burst that left banks holding worthless
loans. This was a direct result of Clinton era economic policies with
help from people like Barney Frank. He's smart. He exited stage left
when the heat started getting too hot.


You're insulting the facts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwPG-7FTkyM

I can't even count the times I heard GWB crowing about
"home ownership".

Mr. Luddite January 4th 16 02:32 AM

Heh heh heh Trump Appears in Terrorist Recruitment Vid
 
On 1/3/2016 9:14 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


Which brings us back to a often forgotten fact. The "great recession"
that began on Sept 15th, 2008 was not the result of GWB economic
policies or even his spending on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The
gunpowder that ignited the recession and near collapse of the economy
was the real estate bubble burst that left banks holding worthless
loans. This was a direct result of Clinton era economic policies with
help from people like Barney Frank. He's smart. He exited stage left
when the heat started getting too hot.


You're insulting the facts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwPG-7FTkyM

I can't even count the times I heard GWB crowing about
"home ownership".


On who's watch did the sub-prime loan fiasco start?

It's true GBW didn't recognize the impending problem it caused
and didn't stop it but it originated with Clinton, lead in good
part by Barney Frank. Frank later denied ownership of the concept
when the **** hit the fan of course.



[email protected] January 4th 16 02:47 AM

Heh heh heh Trump Appears in Terrorist Recruitment Vid
 
On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 20:14:07 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...


Which brings us back to a often forgotten fact. The "great recession"
that began on Sept 15th, 2008 was not the result of GWB economic
policies or even his spending on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The
gunpowder that ignited the recession and near collapse of the economy
was the real estate bubble burst that left banks holding worthless
loans. This was a direct result of Clinton era economic policies with
help from people like Barney Frank. He's smart. He exited stage left
when the heat started getting too hot.


You're insulting the facts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwPG-7FTkyM

I can't even count the times I heard GWB crowing about
"home ownership".


So?

[email protected] January 4th 16 02:48 AM

Heh heh heh Trump Appears in Terrorist Recruitment Vid
 
On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 21:32:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/3/2016 9:14 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


Which brings us back to a often forgotten fact. The "great recession"
that began on Sept 15th, 2008 was not the result of GWB economic
policies or even his spending on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The
gunpowder that ignited the recession and near collapse of the economy
was the real estate bubble burst that left banks holding worthless
loans. This was a direct result of Clinton era economic policies with
help from people like Barney Frank. He's smart. He exited stage left
when the heat started getting too hot.


You're insulting the facts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwPG-7FTkyM

I can't even count the times I heard GWB crowing about
"home ownership".


On who's watch did the sub-prime loan fiasco start?

It's true GBW didn't recognize the impending problem it caused
and didn't stop it but it originated with Clinton, lead in good
part by Barney Frank. Frank later denied ownership of the concept
when the **** hit the fan of course.


I don't really draw that much of a distinction between any of the Bush
brothers, including the tan one.

Boating All Out January 4th 16 05:26 AM

Heh heh heh Trump Appears in Terrorist Recruitment Vid
 
In article ,
says...

On 1/3/2016 9:14 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


Which brings us back to a often forgotten fact. The "great recession"
that began on Sept 15th, 2008 was not the result of GWB economic
policies or even his spending on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The
gunpowder that ignited the recession and near collapse of the economy
was the real estate bubble burst that left banks holding worthless
loans. This was a direct result of Clinton era economic policies with
help from people like Barney Frank. He's smart. He exited stage left
when the heat started getting too hot.


You're insulting the facts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwPG-7FTkyM

I can't even count the times I heard GWB crowing about
"home ownership".


On who's watch did the sub-prime loan fiasco start?


On GWB's watch. With a Republican Congress.
You already forgot?

http://www.federalreservehistory.org.../DetailView/55
"In the early and mid-2000s, high-risk mortgages became
available from lenders who funded mortgages by repackaging
them into pools that were sold to investors. New financial
products were used to apportion these risks, with private-
label mortgage-backed securities (PMBS) providing most of
the funding of subprime mortgages."

http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/a...w-we-got-into-
the-subprime-lending-mess/
"The looser credit standards of the past decade brought a
mortgage boom, with Americans holding 2.5 times as much
mortgage debt in 2005 as in 1997, a period when gross
domestic product grew by just 50%, Wachter and Green say.
Subprime mortgages made up 22% of new loans in 2005,
compared to 8% in 2003, and in 2004 more than 30% of all
mortgages carried adjustable rates, up from about 10% in
2001."

It's true GBW didn't recognize the impending problem it caused
and didn't stop it but it originated with Clinton, lead in good
part by Barney Frank. Frank later denied ownership of the concept
when the **** hit the fan of course.


Yeah, sure. And the Founding Fathers started it all.
So it's all their fault.
I don't why you blame Bill Clinton and Barney Frank, but
hey, be my guest. It won't do anything good for you, except
maybe give you a false "axis of evil" to focus on.
BTW, Freddie/Fannie didn't cause the crisis - it was the
private mortgage market, and Wall Street.
Makes me wonder where you've been the last 10 years.


Califbill January 4th 16 06:15 AM

Heh heh heh Trump Appears in Terrorist Recruitment Vid
 
Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/3/2016 9:14 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


Which brings us back to a often forgotten fact. The "great recession"
that began on Sept 15th, 2008 was not the result of GWB economic
policies or even his spending on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The
gunpowder that ignited the recession and near collapse of the economy
was the real estate bubble burst that left banks holding worthless
loans. This was a direct result of Clinton era economic policies with
help from people like Barney Frank. He's smart. He exited stage left
when the heat started getting too hot.

You're insulting the facts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwPG-7FTkyM

I can't even count the times I heard GWB crowing about
"home ownership".


On who's watch did the sub-prime loan fiasco start?


On GWB's watch. With a Republican Congress.
You already forgot?

http://www.federalreservehistory.org.../DetailView/55
"In the early and mid-2000s, high-risk mortgages became
available from lenders who funded mortgages by repackaging
them into pools that were sold to investors. New financial
products were used to apportion these risks, with private-
label mortgage-backed securities (PMBS) providing most of
the funding of subprime mortgages."

http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/a...w-we-got-into-
the-subprime-lending-mess/
"The looser credit standards of the past decade brought a
mortgage boom, with Americans holding 2.5 times as much
mortgage debt in 2005 as in 1997, a period when gross
domestic product grew by just 50%, Wachter and Green say.
Subprime mortgages made up 22% of new loans in 2005,
compared to 8% in 2003, and in 2004 more than 30% of all
mortgages carried adjustable rates, up from about 10% in
2001."

It's true GBW didn't recognize the impending problem it caused
and didn't stop it but it originated with Clinton, lead in good
part by Barney Frank. Frank later denied ownership of the concept
when the **** hit the fan of course.


Yeah, sure. And the Founding Fathers started it all.
So it's all their fault.
I don't why you blame Bill Clinton and Barney Frank, but
hey, be my guest. It won't do anything good for you, except
maybe give you a false "axis of evil" to focus on.
BTW, Freddie/Fannie didn't cause the crisis - it was the
private mortgage market, and Wall Street.
Makes me wonder where you've been the last 10 years.



It was Fannie / Freddie and Wall Street. Wall Street and the banks were
able to do the dastardly deeds for 2 reasons. Clinton signing
deregulation of banks and brokerages, and FannieFredie buying all the crap
mortgages. Raines should have paid back all the $100 million he and his
number 2 got in phony bookkeeping bonus and gone to jail!


Mr. Luddite January 4th 16 10:17 AM

Heh heh heh Trump Appears in Terrorist Recruitment Vid
 
On 1/4/2016 12:26 AM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/3/2016 9:14 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


Which brings us back to a often forgotten fact. The "great recession"
that began on Sept 15th, 2008 was not the result of GWB economic
policies or even his spending on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The
gunpowder that ignited the recession and near collapse of the economy
was the real estate bubble burst that left banks holding worthless
loans. This was a direct result of Clinton era economic policies with
help from people like Barney Frank. He's smart. He exited stage left
when the heat started getting too hot.

You're insulting the facts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwPG-7FTkyM

I can't even count the times I heard GWB crowing about
"home ownership".


On who's watch did the sub-prime loan fiasco start?


On GWB's watch. With a Republican Congress.
You already forgot?

http://www.federalreservehistory.org.../DetailView/55
"In the early and mid-2000s, high-risk mortgages became
available from lenders who funded mortgages by repackaging
them into pools that were sold to investors. New financial
products were used to apportion these risks, with private-
label mortgage-backed securities (PMBS) providing most of
the funding of subprime mortgages."

http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/a...w-we-got-into-
the-subprime-lending-mess/
"The looser credit standards of the past decade brought a
mortgage boom, with Americans holding 2.5 times as much
mortgage debt in 2005 as in 1997, a period when gross
domestic product grew by just 50%, Wachter and Green say.
Subprime mortgages made up 22% of new loans in 2005,
compared to 8% in 2003, and in 2004 more than 30% of all
mortgages carried adjustable rates, up from about 10% in
2001."

It's true GBW didn't recognize the impending problem it caused
and didn't stop it but it originated with Clinton, lead in good
part by Barney Frank. Frank later denied ownership of the concept
when the **** hit the fan of course.


Yeah, sure. And the Founding Fathers started it all.
So it's all their fault.
I don't why you blame Bill Clinton and Barney Frank, but
hey, be my guest. It won't do anything good for you, except
maybe give you a false "axis of evil" to focus on.
BTW, Freddie/Fannie didn't cause the crisis - it was the
private mortgage market, and Wall Street.
Makes me wonder where you've been the last 10 years.


You can't be serious. The origins that led to the housing market
collapse in 2008 started in 1995 ... more like 21 years ago, not 10.
Actually, you could say that it started even before that under GHWB's
term except it was Clinton who put pressure on Fannie May to increase
the ratio of low income, higher risk loans. Barney Frank had much to do
with this. Clinton rewrote the Community Reinvestment Act, which put
added pressure on banks to lend in low-income neighborhoods.

The balloon that was about to burst wasn't obvious until about 2006 when
some financial and mortgage experts began to warn of a crash.
Until then, housing prices were going up by 15, 20 percent or more.
Don't you remember all the house "flippers" that were operating then?




Mr. Luddite January 4th 16 10:24 AM

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On 1/4/2016 1:15 AM, Califbill wrote:
Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/3/2016 9:14 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


Which brings us back to a often forgotten fact. The "great recession"
that began on Sept 15th, 2008 was not the result of GWB economic
policies or even his spending on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The
gunpowder that ignited the recession and near collapse of the economy
was the real estate bubble burst that left banks holding worthless
loans. This was a direct result of Clinton era economic policies with
help from people like Barney Frank. He's smart. He exited stage left
when the heat started getting too hot.

You're insulting the facts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwPG-7FTkyM

I can't even count the times I heard GWB crowing about
"home ownership".


On who's watch did the sub-prime loan fiasco start?


On GWB's watch. With a Republican Congress.
You already forgot?

http://www.federalreservehistory.org.../DetailView/55
"In the early and mid-2000s, high-risk mortgages became
available from lenders who funded mortgages by repackaging
them into pools that were sold to investors. New financial
products were used to apportion these risks, with private-
label mortgage-backed securities (PMBS) providing most of
the funding of subprime mortgages."

http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/a...w-we-got-into-
the-subprime-lending-mess/
"The looser credit standards of the past decade brought a
mortgage boom, with Americans holding 2.5 times as much
mortgage debt in 2005 as in 1997, a period when gross
domestic product grew by just 50%, Wachter and Green say.
Subprime mortgages made up 22% of new loans in 2005,
compared to 8% in 2003, and in 2004 more than 30% of all
mortgages carried adjustable rates, up from about 10% in
2001."

It's true GBW didn't recognize the impending problem it caused
and didn't stop it but it originated with Clinton, lead in good
part by Barney Frank. Frank later denied ownership of the concept
when the **** hit the fan of course.


Yeah, sure. And the Founding Fathers started it all.
So it's all their fault.
I don't why you blame Bill Clinton and Barney Frank, but
hey, be my guest. It won't do anything good for you, except
maybe give you a false "axis of evil" to focus on.
BTW, Freddie/Fannie didn't cause the crisis - it was the
private mortgage market, and Wall Street.
Makes me wonder where you've been the last 10 years.



It was Fannie / Freddie and Wall Street. Wall Street and the banks were
able to do the dastardly deeds for 2 reasons. Clinton signing
deregulation of banks and brokerages, and FannieFredie buying all the crap
mortgages. Raines should have paid back all the $100 million he and his
number 2 got in phony bookkeeping bonus and gone to jail!



Amazing how history becomes rewritten in Boating All Out's mind.

Anyone can cherry pick articles about certain time periods or about
certain policies in place but you have to look at the whole picture
to get the correct story.

[email protected] January 4th 16 12:02 PM

Heh heh heh Trump Appears in Terrorist Recruitment Vid
 
On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 23:26:32 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On 1/3/2016 9:14 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


Which brings us back to a often forgotten fact. The "great recession"
that began on Sept 15th, 2008 was not the result of GWB economic
policies or even his spending on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The
gunpowder that ignited the recession and near collapse of the economy
was the real estate bubble burst that left banks holding worthless
loans. This was a direct result of Clinton era economic policies with
help from people like Barney Frank. He's smart. He exited stage left
when the heat started getting too hot.

You're insulting the facts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwPG-7FTkyM

I can't even count the times I heard GWB crowing about
"home ownership".


On who's watch did the sub-prime loan fiasco start?


On GWB's watch. With a Republican Congress.
You already forgot?

http://www.federalreservehistory.org.../DetailView/55
"In the early and mid-2000s, high-risk mortgages became
available from lenders who funded mortgages by repackaging
them into pools that were sold to investors. New financial
products were used to apportion these risks, with private-
label mortgage-backed securities (PMBS) providing most of
the funding of subprime mortgages."

http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/a...w-we-got-into-
the-subprime-lending-mess/
"The looser credit standards of the past decade brought a
mortgage boom, with Americans holding 2.5 times as much
mortgage debt in 2005 as in 1997, a period when gross
domestic product grew by just 50%, Wachter and Green say.
Subprime mortgages made up 22% of new loans in 2005,
compared to 8% in 2003, and in 2004 more than 30% of all
mortgages carried adjustable rates, up from about 10% in
2001."

It's true GBW didn't recognize the impending problem it caused
and didn't stop it but it originated with Clinton, lead in good
part by Barney Frank. Frank later denied ownership of the concept
when the **** hit the fan of course.


Yeah, sure. And the Founding Fathers started it all.
So it's all their fault.
I don't why you blame Bill Clinton and Barney Frank, but
hey, be my guest. It won't do anything good for you, except
maybe give you a false "axis of evil" to focus on.
BTW, Freddie/Fannie didn't cause the crisis - it was the
private mortgage market, and Wall Street.
Makes me wonder where you've been the last 10 years.


Who deregulated the industry and allowed all of that to happen?


[email protected] January 4th 16 12:12 PM

Heh heh heh Trump Appears in Terrorist Recruitment Vid
 
On Mon, 4 Jan 2016 05:17:56 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

The balloon that was about to burst wasn't obvious until about 2006


That is not true of everyone. You can take a look at "the big short"
but more personally, I know that the guys who ran Centex (builders)
knew this was hokey in 2004 and they were not building spec houses
(AKA "inventory") even then. The customer needed to have a contract
with at least $50k down before they started building, in spite of the
fact that houses were sold in a lottery at the time. They also avoided
"investors" as much as possible. (only one home per customer was the
goal)

The owners (Hannigan and Ellers) sold the business right before it
crashed. I sold my stock when that happened at a pretty nice profit.

Boating All Out January 4th 16 12:21 PM

Heh heh heh Trump Appears in Terrorist Recruitment Vid
 
In article ,
says...


You can't be serious. The origins that led to the housing market
collapse in 2008 started in 1995 ... more like 21 years ago, not 10.
Actually, you could say that it started even before that under GHWB's
term except it was Clinton who put pressure on Fannie May to increase
the ratio of low income, higher risk loans. Barney Frank had much to do
with this. Clinton rewrote the Community Reinvestment Act, which put
added pressure on banks to lend in low-income neighborhoods.

The balloon that was about to burst wasn't obvious until about 2006 when
some financial and mortgage experts began to warn of a crash.
Until then, housing prices were going up by 15, 20 percent or more.
Don't you remember all the house "flippers" that were operating then?


Yeah, yeah. The first successful semi-auto rifle was made
by Ferdinand Ritter von Mannlicher.
He is responsible for the all the terrorist mass murders
using semi-auto rifles. Evil man.
Give me a break. Come back with some FACTS.
You can start here as a primer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financ...is_of_2007%E2%
80%9308
It covers the CRA too.
Or you can play footsie with califbill, if he's your speed.
I really don't give a ****.
Dyed-in-the-wool Republicans will always blame Clinton and
Frank for everything, because it tickles their fancy.
Fine by me. Whatever floats your boat.


Mr. Luddite January 4th 16 02:11 PM

Heh heh heh Trump Appears in Terrorist Recruitment Vid
 
On 1/4/2016 7:21 AM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


You can't be serious. The origins that led to the housing market
collapse in 2008 started in 1995 ... more like 21 years ago, not 10.
Actually, you could say that it started even before that under GHWB's
term except it was Clinton who put pressure on Fannie May to increase
the ratio of low income, higher risk loans. Barney Frank had much to do
with this. Clinton rewrote the Community Reinvestment Act, which put
added pressure on banks to lend in low-income neighborhoods.

The balloon that was about to burst wasn't obvious until about 2006 when
some financial and mortgage experts began to warn of a crash.
Until then, housing prices were going up by 15, 20 percent or more.
Don't you remember all the house "flippers" that were operating then?


Yeah, yeah. The first successful semi-auto rifle was made
by Ferdinand Ritter von Mannlicher.
He is responsible for the all the terrorist mass murders
using semi-auto rifles. Evil man.
Give me a break. Come back with some FACTS.
You can start here as a primer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financ...is_of_2007%E2%
80%9308
It covers the CRA too.
Or you can play footsie with califbill, if he's your speed.
I really don't give a ****.
Dyed-in-the-wool Republicans will always blame Clinton and
Frank for everything, because it tickles their fancy.
Fine by me. Whatever floats your boat.


Thank you for understanding.
You might want to read up on the history of Freddie and Fanny.



Mr. Luddite January 4th 16 02:14 PM

Heh heh heh Trump Appears in Terrorist Recruitment Vid
 
On 1/4/2016 7:02 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 23:26:32 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On 1/3/2016 9:14 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


Which brings us back to a often forgotten fact. The "great recession"
that began on Sept 15th, 2008 was not the result of GWB economic
policies or even his spending on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The
gunpowder that ignited the recession and near collapse of the economy
was the real estate bubble burst that left banks holding worthless
loans. This was a direct result of Clinton era economic policies with
help from people like Barney Frank. He's smart. He exited stage left
when the heat started getting too hot.

You're insulting the facts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwPG-7FTkyM

I can't even count the times I heard GWB crowing about
"home ownership".


On who's watch did the sub-prime loan fiasco start?


On GWB's watch. With a Republican Congress.
You already forgot?

http://www.federalreservehistory.org.../DetailView/55
"In the early and mid-2000s, high-risk mortgages became
available from lenders who funded mortgages by repackaging
them into pools that were sold to investors. New financial
products were used to apportion these risks, with private-
label mortgage-backed securities (PMBS) providing most of
the funding of subprime mortgages."

http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/a...w-we-got-into-
the-subprime-lending-mess/
"The looser credit standards of the past decade brought a
mortgage boom, with Americans holding 2.5 times as much
mortgage debt in 2005 as in 1997, a period when gross
domestic product grew by just 50%, Wachter and Green say.
Subprime mortgages made up 22% of new loans in 2005,
compared to 8% in 2003, and in 2004 more than 30% of all
mortgages carried adjustable rates, up from about 10% in
2001."

It's true GBW didn't recognize the impending problem it caused
and didn't stop it but it originated with Clinton, lead in good
part by Barney Frank. Frank later denied ownership of the concept
when the **** hit the fan of course.


Yeah, sure. And the Founding Fathers started it all.
So it's all their fault.
I don't why you blame Bill Clinton and Barney Frank, but
hey, be my guest. It won't do anything good for you, except
maybe give you a false "axis of evil" to focus on.
BTW, Freddie/Fannie didn't cause the crisis - it was the
private mortgage market, and Wall Street.
Makes me wonder where you've been the last 10 years.


Who deregulated the industry and allowed all of that to happen?



What is funny about it was that Clinton (Bill) was not totally on board
with the deregulation and pressure on banks to relax lending practices.
He caved under pressure from fellow Democrats including Barney.



Mr. Luddite January 4th 16 02:31 PM

Heh heh heh Trump Appears in Terrorist Recruitment Vid
 
On 1/4/2016 7:12 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 4 Jan 2016 05:17:56 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

The balloon that was about to burst wasn't obvious until about 2006


That is not true of everyone. You can take a look at "the big short"
but more personally, I know that the guys who ran Centex (builders)
knew this was hokey in 2004 and they were not building spec houses
(AKA "inventory") even then. The customer needed to have a contract
with at least $50k down before they started building, in spite of the
fact that houses were sold in a lottery at the time. They also avoided
"investors" as much as possible. (only one home per customer was the
goal)

The owners (Hannigan and Ellers) sold the business right before it
crashed. I sold my stock when that happened at a pretty nice profit.


That's true. When we bought the two properties we had in Florida, one
in 2001 and the other a few months later from a neighbor who was
investing heavily into real estate in order to "flip" them. His wife
was a real estate agent. FlaJim will remember him and the two properties
we had.

At the time property values in the area of Jupiter we were in were going
up by about 21 percent annually. My neighbor tried talking me into
joining him into making flip investments. I wasn't an economic genius
(still aren't) but my conservative nature and hunch was that the boom
wasn't going to last. I was right. We sold the second property we
bought in 2003 for about what we paid for it following one of the
hurricanes that caused some damage ... mostly to the large pool
enclosure. We made out well on the other house when we sold it though.
Bought it for $465K in 2001 and sold it for $1M in 2004, just before
the market started cooling off in advance of the crash. It was the last
house in that gated community that sold for quite a while. Last I knew
it had been sold again a few years later for under $500k.




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