On 12/20/2015 3:34 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article QLadnbvM1aXBYOvLnZ2dnUU7-
, says...

On 12/20/2015 12:23 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 12/19/15 10:06 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 21:32:58 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/19/15 8:14 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:52:58 -0500, John H.

I think it is because the teacher/professors are not particularly
computer literate (Apple is for people who don't want to know they
have a computer) but it does put the kids at a disadvantage when they
get out in the world and find out most businesses run Windows.


I continue to find your comments about Apple computers and their
owner/operators laughable, especially since I know a few high-level
programmers who work almost exclusively with Apple computers. The "most
businesses that run windows" are simply running apps that run under
windows, and many of the same apps run under the apple OS. You think
that the Microsoft Office Suite, probably the most popular and commonly
found "business app" anywhere gives a **** whether it is running under
windows or apple OS?
\
You can't deny that the machine on your desk will be Wintel if you are
in most businesses.

So? McDonalds still sells mass quantities of ****ty burgers.

Apple's selling point is ease of use. You've said
that yourself. I'm something of an "PC expert,' and
when asked for my recommendation for a laptop for a
college student, I always recommend Apple if the
person can afford it. It's just easier to use for
the neophyte. But that thinking may be dated now.
It's not a disadvantage for future work however,
since Apple and Wintel are virtually the same, except
for the price.
Apple sure gets its brand name out there among
newscasters, with the Apple logo often in prominent
view on their desks.
****ing effete snobs.




I have used Windows based computers for years but am far from being a
"PC expert". I just use them, I don't experiment and try to modify or
change how they operate other than in the options that the application
may allow.

When my wife gave me an i-Mac for Christmas a couple of years ago I
didn't find it to be "easy" to use at all. In fact, it was a pain in
the ass. Apple seems to be much more dictatorial in terms of how you
can set up applications (I still call them "programs" or "software") and
it seemed very confusing to me in terms of their file structure and how
you even used it. I also couldn't stand the stupid excuse for a
keyboard that is included with an iMac. I tried for several months to
get used to it but found myself going back to a Windows based PC when I
wanted to get something done in a hurry. The iMac slowly started being
used less and less until I finally sold it to someone who's Mac had just
died.

My wife still has the iMac I bought her. She wanted one with the big,
25" display, so I gave it to her the same year she bought mine. It
now sits, mostly unused, because she uses a dinky, little iPhone for
just about everything she does. She also has an iPad and is constantly
watching movies on it from someplace. I don't even know how she gets
them. I still have an iPad as well but don't use it. The only time it's
used is when one of my granddaughters visits and wants to play "Peggle".


My kids do most of the same things I do on my PC on
the Iphones/Galaxies. But in much smaller graphics
.
I'd say that the build quality of Apple's products is probably better
than any of the Windows based computers I've had though. I can't
complain about Hewlett Packard computers however. Have had good luck
with them.

Well, then what advantages do Apples offer except
"status?"


Can't think of one. I think Mac computers may have had an advantage in
terms of how quickly they could run applications years ago but Windows
based PC's have closed that gap. One thing I could never figure out.
It seems to take much longer for an Apple application to download and
install compared to non-Apple programs. Even when you download iTunes
and install on a Windows based computer it takes forever. That was the
first thing I noticed on the iMac when updating the OS. Come to think
of it, even the OS revisions for the iPad take a long time.

On 12/20/2015 3:43 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 14:34:40 -0600, Boating All Out wrote:

In article QLadnbvM1aXBYOvLnZ2dnUU7-
, says...

On 12/20/2015 12:23 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 12/19/15 10:06 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 21:32:58 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/19/15 8:14 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:52:58 -0500, John H.

I think it is because the teacher/professors are not particularly
computer literate (Apple is for people who don't want to know they
have a computer) but it does put the kids at a disadvantage when they
get out in the world and find out most businesses run Windows.


I continue to find your comments about Apple computers and their
owner/operators laughable, especially since I know a few high-level
programmers who work almost exclusively with Apple computers. The "most
businesses that run windows" are simply running apps that run under
windows, and many of the same apps run under the apple OS. You think
that the Microsoft Office Suite, probably the most popular and commonly
found "business app" anywhere gives a **** whether it is running under
windows or apple OS?
\
You can't deny that the machine on your desk will be Wintel if you are
in most businesses.

So? McDonalds still sells mass quantities of ****ty burgers.

Apple's selling point is ease of use. You've said
that yourself. I'm something of an "PC expert,' and
when asked for my recommendation for a laptop for a
college student, I always recommend Apple if the
person can afford it. It's just easier to use for
the neophyte. But that thinking may be dated now.
It's not a disadvantage for future work however,
since Apple and Wintel are virtually the same, except
for the price.
Apple sure gets its brand name out there among
newscasters, with the Apple logo often in prominent
view on their desks.
****ing effete snobs.




I have used Windows based computers for years but am far from being a
"PC expert". I just use them, I don't experiment and try to modify or
change how they operate other than in the options that the application
may allow.

When my wife gave me an i-Mac for Christmas a couple of years ago I
didn't find it to be "easy" to use at all. In fact, it was a pain in
the ass. Apple seems to be much more dictatorial in terms of how you
can set up applications (I still call them "programs" or "software") and
it seemed very confusing to me in terms of their file structure and how
you even used it. I also couldn't stand the stupid excuse for a
keyboard that is included with an iMac. I tried for several months to
get used to it but found myself going back to a Windows based PC when I
wanted to get something done in a hurry. The iMac slowly started being
used less and less until I finally sold it to someone who's Mac had just
died.

My wife still has the iMac I bought her. She wanted one with the big,
25" display, so I gave it to her the same year she bought mine. It
now sits, mostly unused, because she uses a dinky, little iPhone for
just about everything she does. She also has an iPad and is constantly
watching movies on it from someplace. I don't even know how she gets
them. I still have an iPad as well but don't use it. The only time it's
used is when one of my granddaughters visits and wants to play "Peggle".


My kids do most of the same things I do on my PC on
the Iphones/Galaxies. But in much smaller graphics
.
I'd say that the build quality of Apple's products is probably better
than any of the Windows based computers I've had though. I can't
complain about Hewlett Packard computers however. Have had good luck
with them.

Well, then what advantages do Apples offer except
"status?"

You missed my question. Who are the f'ing effete snobs?

You attempt to sound pretty f'ing effete yourself. Is that because of your superior
knowledge of ISIS?

Hemorrhoids bothering you today John? He was referring to the
newscasters with their Apple computers prominently displayed on their
desks during broadcasts.

On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 15:56:56 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 12/20/2015 3:43 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 14:34:40 -0600, Boating All Out wrote:

In article QLadnbvM1aXBYOvLnZ2dnUU7-
, says...

On 12/20/2015 12:23 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 12/19/15 10:06 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 21:32:58 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/19/15 8:14 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:52:58 -0500, John H.

I think it is because the teacher/professors are not particularly
computer literate (Apple is for people who don't want to know they
have a computer) but it does put the kids at a disadvantage when they
get out in the world and find out most businesses run Windows.


I continue to find your comments about Apple computers and their
owner/operators laughable, especially since I know a few high-level
programmers who work almost exclusively with Apple computers. The "most
businesses that run windows" are simply running apps that run under
windows, and many of the same apps run under the apple OS. You think
that the Microsoft Office Suite, probably the most popular and commonly
found "business app" anywhere gives a **** whether it is running under
windows or apple OS?
\
You can't deny that the machine on your desk will be Wintel if you are
in most businesses.

So? McDonalds still sells mass quantities of ****ty burgers.

Apple's selling point is ease of use. You've said
that yourself. I'm something of an "PC expert,' and
when asked for my recommendation for a laptop for a
college student, I always recommend Apple if the
person can afford it. It's just easier to use for
the neophyte. But that thinking may be dated now.
It's not a disadvantage for future work however,
since Apple and Wintel are virtually the same, except
for the price.
Apple sure gets its brand name out there among
newscasters, with the Apple logo often in prominent
view on their desks.
****ing effete snobs.




I have used Windows based computers for years but am far from being a
"PC expert". I just use them, I don't experiment and try to modify or
change how they operate other than in the options that the application
may allow.

When my wife gave me an i-Mac for Christmas a couple of years ago I
didn't find it to be "easy" to use at all. In fact, it was a pain in
the ass. Apple seems to be much more dictatorial in terms of how you
can set up applications (I still call them "programs" or "software") and
it seemed very confusing to me in terms of their file structure and how
you even used it. I also couldn't stand the stupid excuse for a
keyboard that is included with an iMac. I tried for several months to
get used to it but found myself going back to a Windows based PC when I
wanted to get something done in a hurry. The iMac slowly started being
used less and less until I finally sold it to someone who's Mac had just
died.

My wife still has the iMac I bought her. She wanted one with the big,
25" display, so I gave it to her the same year she bought mine. It
now sits, mostly unused, because she uses a dinky, little iPhone for
just about everything she does. She also has an iPad and is constantly
watching movies on it from someplace. I don't even know how she gets
them. I still have an iPad as well but don't use it. The only time it's
used is when one of my granddaughters visits and wants to play "Peggle".


My kids do most of the same things I do on my PC on
the Iphones/Galaxies. But in much smaller graphics
.
I'd say that the build quality of Apple's products is probably better
than any of the Windows based computers I've had though. I can't
complain about Hewlett Packard computers however. Have had good luck
with them.

Well, then what advantages do Apples offer except
"status?"

You missed my question. Who are the f'ing effete snobs?

You attempt to sound pretty f'ing effete yourself. Is that because of your superior
knowledge of ISIS?

Hemorrhoids bothering you today John? He was referring to the
newscasters with their Apple computers prominently displayed on their
desks during broadcasts.

And here I thought he was referring to Apple owners in general, such as yourself.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 15:52:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Even when you download iTunes
and install on a Windows based computer it takes forever. That was the
first thing I noticed on the iMac when updating the OS. Come to think
of it, even the OS revisions for the iPad take a long time.

===

That's because the first thing that iTunes does is lay claim to all of
your music files, rename them, and restructure your music directories.
It took me a week to get everything back to the way I wanted it.

On 12/20/2015 4:55 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 15:52:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Even when you download iTunes
and install on a Windows based computer it takes forever. That was the
first thing I noticed on the iMac when updating the OS. Come to think
of it, even the OS revisions for the iPad take a long time.

===

That's because the first thing that iTunes does is lay claim to all of
your music files, rename them, and restructure your music directories.
It took me a week to get everything back to the way I wanted it.



You are right. I had forgotten that. I deleted iTunes from this and my
previous Vista computer because I got tired of doing everything to do
with music files the "Apple" way. Much better saving the files where I
want them, not where Apple thinks they should be.

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/20/2015 4:55 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 15:52:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Even when you download iTunes
and install on a Windows based computer it takes forever. That was the
first thing I noticed on the iMac when updating the OS. Come to think
of it, even the OS revisions for the iPad take a long time.

===

That's because the first thing that iTunes does is lay claim to all of
your music files, rename them, and restructure your music directories.
It took me a week to get everything back to the way I wanted it.



You are right. I had forgotten that. I deleted iTunes from this and my
previous Vista computer because I got tired of doing everything to do
with music files the "Apple" way. Much better saving the files where I
want them, not where Apple thinks they should be.


You can put the music files wherever you want. Mine reside on my server, a
non-apple product, and are accessible via all our devices, via hardwire, wi
fi or via data sources off the premises.

--
Sent from my iPhone 6+

On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 16:55:49 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 15:52:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Even when you download iTunes
and install on a Windows based computer it takes forever. That was the
first thing I noticed on the iMac when updating the OS. Come to think
of it, even the OS revisions for the iPad take a long time.

===

That's because the first thing that iTunes does is lay claim to all of
your music files, rename them, and restructure your music directories.
It took me a week to get everything back to the way I wanted it.

I spent a lot of time trying to undo all that on mine. Never did get it all undone.
The money I have left in the i-tunes account will be there forever.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On 12/20/15 5:17 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 16:55:49 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 15:52:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Even when you download iTunes
and install on a Windows based computer it takes forever. That was the
first thing I noticed on the iMac when updating the OS. Come to think
of it, even the OS revisions for the iPad take a long time.

===

That's because the first thing that iTunes does is lay claim to all of
your music files, rename them, and restructure your music directories.
It took me a week to get everything back to the way I wanted it.

I spent a lot of time trying to undo all that on mine. Never did get it all undone.
The money I have left in the i-tunes account will be there forever.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


Improperly removing a complex software package often leaves vestiges in
directories you don't even know exist. Windows is well-known for this,
even when you use the remove software facility.

On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 11:23:58 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On 12/19/15 10:06 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 21:32:58 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/19/15 8:14 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:52:58 -0500, John H.

I think it is because the teacher/professors are not particularly
computer literate (Apple is for people who don't want to know they
have a computer) but it does put the kids at a disadvantage when they
get out in the world and find out most businesses run Windows.


I continue to find your comments about Apple computers and their
owner/operators laughable, especially since I know a few high-level
programmers who work almost exclusively with Apple computers. The "most
businesses that run windows" are simply running apps that run under
windows, and many of the same apps run under the apple OS. You think
that the Microsoft Office Suite, probably the most popular and commonly
found "business app" anywhere gives a **** whether it is running under
windows or apple OS?
\
You can't deny that the machine on your desk will be Wintel if you are
in most businesses.

So? McDonalds still sells mass quantities of ****ty burgers.

Apple's selling point is ease of use. You've said
that yourself. I'm something of an "PC expert,' and
when asked for my recommendation for a laptop for a
college student, I always recommend Apple if the
person can afford it. It's just easier to use for
the neophyte. But that thinking may be dated now.
It's not a disadvantage for future work however,
since Apple and Wintel are virtually the same, except
for the price.
Apple sure gets its brand name out there among
newscasters, with the Apple logo often in prominent
view on their desks.
****ing effete snobs.



Apple is fine until you want to do something Apple didn't think you
would do.
Henc, my formerly Apple loving Dutch neighbor showed up with a Samsung
Note and when I asked him why the change of heart, he said his
"I-phone would not run his drone"

On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 14:11:23 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/20/2015 12:23 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 12/19/15 10:06 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 21:32:58 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/19/15 8:14 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:52:58 -0500, John H.

I think it is because the teacher/professors are not particularly
computer literate (Apple is for people who don't want to know they
have a computer) but it does put the kids at a disadvantage when they
get out in the world and find out most businesses run Windows.


I continue to find your comments about Apple computers and their
owner/operators laughable, especially since I know a few high-level
programmers who work almost exclusively with Apple computers. The "most
businesses that run windows" are simply running apps that run under
windows, and many of the same apps run under the apple OS. You think
that the Microsoft Office Suite, probably the most popular and commonly
found "business app" anywhere gives a **** whether it is running under
windows or apple OS?
\
You can't deny that the machine on your desk will be Wintel if you are
in most businesses.

So? McDonalds still sells mass quantities of ****ty burgers.

Apple's selling point is ease of use. You've said
that yourself. I'm something of an "PC expert,' and
when asked for my recommendation for a laptop for a
college student, I always recommend Apple if the
person can afford it. It's just easier to use for
the neophyte. But that thinking may be dated now.
It's not a disadvantage for future work however,
since Apple and Wintel are virtually the same, except
for the price.
Apple sure gets its brand name out there among
newscasters, with the Apple logo often in prominent
view on their desks.
****ing effete snobs.




I have used Windows based computers for years but am far from being a
"PC expert". I just use them, I don't experiment and try to modify or
change how they operate other than in the options that the application
may allow.

When my wife gave me an i-Mac for Christmas a couple of years ago I
didn't find it to be "easy" to use at all. In fact, it was a pain in
the ass. Apple seems to be much more dictatorial in terms of how you
can set up applications (I still call them "programs" or "software") and
it seemed very confusing to me in terms of their file structure and how
you even used it. I also couldn't stand the stupid excuse for a
keyboard that is included with an iMac. I tried for several months to
get used to it but found myself going back to a Windows based PC when I
wanted to get something done in a hurry. The iMac slowly started being
used less and less until I finally sold it to someone who's Mac had just
died.

My wife still has the iMac I bought her. She wanted one with the big,
25" display, so I gave it to her the same year she bought mine. It
now sits, mostly unused, because she uses a dinky, little iPhone for
just about everything she does. She also has an iPad and is constantly
watching movies on it from someplace. I don't even know how she gets
them. I still have an iPad as well but don't use it. The only time it's
used is when one of my granddaughters visits and wants to play "Peggle".

I'd say that the build quality of Apple's products is probably better
than any of the Windows based computers I've had though. I can't
complain about Hewlett Packard computers however. Have had good luck
with them.


Apple is not a computer, it is a cult and people gang around the
announcements like it was Star Wars.
These days they are announcing something my wife had her Android a
year or more ago. They still swoon.