El Faro Flotsam
 

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 12:08:05 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

14.7 should be enough to collapse all the air molecules at sea level.
The vaccum expert, and I mean expert should be along shortly to tell you
the whole story.

If that was true, there would not be any air here.
Check out Boyle's law

El Faro Flotsam
 

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:26:10 -0500,
wrote:

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:02:44 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 12:08:05 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 12/18/2015 12:01 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 08:19:02 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 03:19:01 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 at 7:17:06 AM UTC-8, wrote:
The beaches on the East Coast of Florida are littered with stuff
coming up from El Faro. This is a pound of coffee my son in law came
up with when he was visiting his folks in Melbourne

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/El%20Faro%20flotsam.jpg

In spite of a trip up from a couple miles down, it still seems to be
intact

Nothing to do with the El Faro, Just another Tote maritime fiasco.
BTW do you really think those packages would look like they just flew
off the shelf after being 18.000' underwater?

The containers actually floated free while the ship was breaking up.
Our news was talking about it the other day. I agree, if this was
really 3 miles down, it would be about the size of a sugar cube.


Maybe not. They are vacuum packed.

The "vacuum" would only exert 14.7 PSI on the contents if it was
perfect and it is far from perfect. At 3 miles down it would be more
like 7000 PSI.

14.7 should be enough to collapse all the air molecules at sea level.
The vaccum expert, and I mean expert should be along shortly to tell you
the whole story.

I like my Hoover upright.

===

Insert appropriate "really sucks" joke he _________________________

My physics teacher said "there ain't no suction. It is only a
difference in pressure".

El Faro Flotsam
 

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 16:41:35 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:26:10 -0500,
wrote:

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:02:44 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 12:08:05 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 12/18/2015 12:01 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 08:19:02 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 03:19:01 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 at 7:17:06 AM UTC-8, wrote:
The beaches on the East Coast of Florida are littered with stuff
coming up from El Faro. This is a pound of coffee my son in law came
up with when he was visiting his folks in Melbourne

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/El%20Faro%20flotsam.jpg

In spite of a trip up from a couple miles down, it still seems to be
intact

Nothing to do with the El Faro, Just another Tote maritime fiasco.
BTW do you really think those packages would look like they just flew
off the shelf after being 18.000' underwater?

The containers actually floated free while the ship was breaking up.
Our news was talking about it the other day. I agree, if this was
really 3 miles down, it would be about the size of a sugar cube.


Maybe not. They are vacuum packed.

The "vacuum" would only exert 14.7 PSI on the contents if it was
perfect and it is far from perfect. At 3 miles down it would be more
like 7000 PSI.

14.7 should be enough to collapse all the air molecules at sea level.
The vaccum expert, and I mean expert should be along shortly to tell you
the whole story.

I like my Hoover upright.

===

Insert appropriate "really sucks" joke he _________________________

My physics teacher said "there ain't no suction. It is only a
difference in pressure".

Probably never had a girlfriend either.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

El Faro Flotsam
 

wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 12:08:05 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

14.7 should be enough to collapse all the air molecules at sea level.
The vaccum expert, and I mean expert should be along shortly to tell you
the whole story.

If that was true, there would not be any air here.
Check out Boyle's law


Get out 14.7 at sea level, should not be any gas in package. Take that
package to 33' below and if all the air was in it, would be 1/2 size, but
you have almost all the air out except for 1 pound, you are not going to
get 1/2 size.

El Faro Flotsam
 

On 12/18/2015 4:39 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 12:08:05 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

14.7 should be enough to collapse all the air molecules at sea level.
The vaccum expert, and I mean expert should be along shortly to tell you
the whole story.

If that was true, there would not be any air here.
Check out Boyle's law

If you sucked 14.7 psi of air out of something at sea level you pretty
much sucked it all out.

El Faro Flotsam
 

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 16:34:02 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 12:08:05 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

14.7 should be enough to collapse all the air molecules at sea level.
The vaccum expert, and I mean expert should be along shortly to tell you
the whole story.

If that was true, there would not be any air here.
Check out Boyle's law


Get out 14.7 at sea level, should not be any gas in package. Take that
package to 33' below and if all the air was in it, would be 1/2 size, but
you have almost all the air out except for 1 pound, you are not going to
get 1/2 size.

When you are talking 7000 PSI you are going to find out the coffee
itself is pretty porous.
It is a shame that we are on the shallow coast or I would run out to
100' of water or more and drop this thing over, tied to a concrete
block and pull it back up, just to see what it does.
I like science ;-)

I suppose I could make a pressure chamber with PVC pipe and try it
that way. Maybe bury it in the yard first in case it blows up but if
it was full of water before I start, there really wouldn't be much air
in there to "blow".

El Faro Flotsam
 

On 12/18/2015 7:36 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 12/18/2015 4:39 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 12:08:05 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

14.7 should be enough to collapse all the air molecules at sea level.
The vaccum expert, and I mean expert should be along shortly to tell you
the whole story.

If that was true, there would not be any air here.
Check out Boyle's law

If you sucked 14.7 psi of air out of something at sea level you pretty
much sucked it all out.


The first 14 psi is easy. The .7 is a bitch (and expensive to do).

El Faro Flotsam
 

Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:00:01 -0500, Alex wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 18:41:51 -0500, Alex wrote:

wrote:
The beaches on the East Coast of Florida are littered with stuff
coming up from El Faro. This is a pound of coffee my son in law came
up with when he was visiting his folks in Melbourne

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/El%20Faro%20flotsam.jpg

In spite of a trip up from a couple miles down, it still seems to be
intact


Are you SURE that's coffee? It might have come from another source!
The cargo was going the wrong way for anything really interesting.
If this was coming from Colombia, I suppose I would be worried about
developing another bad habit but a pound should keep you going a
while. ;-)

Wouldn't the gulfstream take it a lot farther north than FL?
Dunno but it is washing up in Florida. I assume it is making it
farther north and Donnie may be seeing things eventually.
They had pictures on the news here tonight and it looks like most of
the containers in deck floated off while it was sinking and they broke
up in the storm.
The folks are finding wine too. I just got coffee ;-(

We had a ship locally lose 8 or 9 containers a week ago in huge seas. They
figure they may end up on a local beach. You could see them floating from
shore.



I didn't think they were that airtight. They don't have any rubber
gaskets or seals.

El Faro Flotsam
 

wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 03:19:01 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 at 7:17:06 AM UTC-8, wrote:
The beaches on the East Coast of Florida are littered with stuff
coming up from El Faro. This is a pound of coffee my son in law came
up with when he was visiting his folks in Melbourne

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/El%20Faro%20flotsam.jpg

In spite of a trip up from a couple miles down, it still seems to be
intact
Nothing to do with the El Faro, Just another Tote maritime fiasco.
BTW do you really think those packages would look like they just flew off the shelf after being 18.000' underwater?
The containers actually floated free while the ship was breaking up.
Our news was talking about it the other day. I agree, if this was
really 3 miles down, it would be about the size of a sugar cube.

It would take a lot to open those doors, too.

El Faro Flotsam
 

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 19:36:10 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 12/18/2015 4:39 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 12:08:05 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

14.7 should be enough to collapse all the air molecules at sea level.
The vaccum expert, and I mean expert should be along shortly to tell you
the whole story.

If that was true, there would not be any air here.
Check out Boyle's law

If you sucked 14.7 psi of air out of something at sea level you pretty
much sucked it all out.

I would be shocked if there was more than ~15" (hg) of vacuum there.

Going at this another way,
Coffee is generally 11% water (Roasted and dried) so a pound is ~1.8
oz of water or 51 grams. (51 CCs)

this block is ~61 cu/in. (roughly 1000 CCs)
949 CCs is not water and it weighs 14.2 oz (402.5g)
That is a specific gravity of .42.
I am not sure what that might be something solid but I am not sure
what could be that solid with that low a SG.
It might still be a block but it os going to be a lot smaller if you
put 7000 PSI on it.
My guess is it is mostly cellulose and that is made up of "cells" full
of air. They are strong enough to deal with one atmosphere but when
you start getting up over 400 BAR they will take a beating.