On Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 5:50:53 AM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
Wow thanks guys. Here it it at 4:45am Sunday. And I'm awake because it seems I've slept for a day and 1/2. So far 1 stint then review other options. So far so good I guess. Thanks guys!

Hang tough, Tim. My thoughts and prayers are with you.

On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 6:47:38 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 5:50:53 AM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
Wow thanks guys. Here it it at 4:45am Sunday. And I'm awake because it seems I've slept for a day and 1/2. So far 1 stint then review other options. So far so good I guess. Thanks guys!

Hang tough, Tim. My thoughts and prayers are with you.

Thanks man, this is much appreciated. I don't want to do this again...

On 12/1/2015 8:25 AM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 6:47:38 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 5:50:53 AM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
Wow thanks guys. Here it it at 4:45am Sunday. And I'm awake because it seems I've slept for a day and 1/2. So far 1 stint then review other options. So far so good I guess. Thanks guys!

Hang tough, Tim. My thoughts and prayers are with you.

Thanks man, this is much appreciated. I don't want to do this again...


Well then, you need to stop cookin up John's recipes. :-)

On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 7:34:08 AM UTC-6, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 12/1/2015 8:25 AM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 6:47:38 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 5:50:53 AM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
Wow thanks guys. Here it it at 4:45am Sunday. And I'm awake because it seems I've slept for a day and 1/2. So far 1 stint then review other options. So far so good I guess. Thanks guys!

Hang tough, Tim. My thoughts and prayers are with you.

Thanks man, this is much appreciated. I don't want to do this again...


Well then, you need to stop cookin up John's recipes. :-)

you may have a point there...

On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 19:34:23 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 14:32:51 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 12:32:36 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 08:57:17 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 21:36:15 -0500, wrote:

I hunted quail all over Maryland but the best spot was a friend's farm
on the Eastern Shore. I only hunted over dogs once and although it was
very efficient, Over dogs, it is like shooting skeet. I was shooting
skeet at the time and I was thinking it was too easy.
I like walking them down better.
Part of it is the challenge.

Never did it with dogs. My pointer would probably love it though.

That might be fun for the dog but a real bird dog takes a lot of
training. The pair we were hunting over could herd up a covey and hold
them until you called the flush, then they charged the birds and
flushed them away in a "station 7 low house" configuration. Shooting
them seemed too easy to me. I limited out in less than an hour.

Walking them down is a lot more like hunting. You are never sure when
they will flush or which way they will go.

The most challenging is woodcock in heavy cover.

No, my dog's not trained. When I first got her, she'd 'point' robins and hold it
until I said "OK". Now she's gotten used to the birds and shows no interest. She'd
point just like in the pictures, with one paw raised and dead still.

Never hunted woodcock. Wouldn't know what one looked like. Pheasants, pigeons, and
quail is about it as far as birds go. Oh, and crows as a kid. Never shot one. They
seemed to know what a rifle looks like and would stay about a half mile away.

Woodcock is like a quail with a long beak. They live back in the
woods. The first one I kicked surprised the hell out of me but I gave
him a load of #5s anyway. I was expecting a rabbit.
The owner didn't even know they were there.

Back in the olden days we used to shoot crows at the dump (not a real
land fill, just an old country dump) but we made blinds so they would
get close enough. We were still taking shots at 50 yards or more.
My old Remington .22 pump with a 6x Weaver was pretty reliable out to
100 yards.


I'm guessing dump crows are not as smart as farm crows. On my grandfather's farm they
were smart sonsabitches. I had a single-shot .22 - no scope. It's funny because the
damn things would sit on the power lines cawing as we walked to school. But as soon
as I had the rifle they'd never come close.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On 12/1/2015 12:20 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 19:34:23 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 14:32:51 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 12:32:36 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 08:57:17 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 21:36:15 -0500, wrote:

I hunted quail all over Maryland but the best spot was a friend's farm
on the Eastern Shore. I only hunted over dogs once and although it was
very efficient, Over dogs, it is like shooting skeet. I was shooting
skeet at the time and I was thinking it was too easy.
I like walking them down better.
Part of it is the challenge.

Never did it with dogs. My pointer would probably love it though.

That might be fun for the dog but a real bird dog takes a lot of
training. The pair we were hunting over could herd up a covey and hold
them until you called the flush, then they charged the birds and
flushed them away in a "station 7 low house" configuration. Shooting
them seemed too easy to me. I limited out in less than an hour.

Walking them down is a lot more like hunting. You are never sure when
they will flush or which way they will go.

The most challenging is woodcock in heavy cover.

No, my dog's not trained. When I first got her, she'd 'point' robins and hold it
until I said "OK". Now she's gotten used to the birds and shows no interest. She'd
point just like in the pictures, with one paw raised and dead still.

Never hunted woodcock. Wouldn't know what one looked like. Pheasants, pigeons, and
quail is about it as far as birds go. Oh, and crows as a kid. Never shot one. They
seemed to know what a rifle looks like and would stay about a half mile away.

Woodcock is like a quail with a long beak. They live back in the
woods. The first one I kicked surprised the hell out of me but I gave
him a load of #5s anyway. I was expecting a rabbit.
The owner didn't even know they were there.

Back in the olden days we used to shoot crows at the dump (not a real
land fill, just an old country dump) but we made blinds so they would
get close enough. We were still taking shots at 50 yards or more.
My old Remington .22 pump with a 6x Weaver was pretty reliable out to
100 yards.


I'm guessing dump crows are not as smart as farm crows. On my grandfather's farm they
were smart sonsabitches. I had a single-shot .22 - no scope. It's funny because the
damn things would sit on the power lines cawing as we walked to school. But as soon
as I had the rifle they'd never come close.

Must be related somehow to fly's. Ever notice one can bug the s%&T out
of you until you get a fly swatter? It then disappears.

On Tue, 1 Dec 2015 08:34:08 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 12/1/2015 8:25 AM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 6:47:38 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 5:50:53 AM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
Wow thanks guys. Here it it at 4:45am Sunday. And I'm awake because it seems I've slept for a day and 1/2. So far 1 stint then review other options. So far so good I guess. Thanks guys!

Hang tough, Tim. My thoughts and prayers are with you.

Thanks man, this is much appreciated. I don't want to do this again...


Well then, you need to stop cookin up John's recipes. :-)

LMAO!

I told him, leave out the salt and fat. Of course everything will taste like
cardboard!
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On 11/30/15 7:34 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 14:32:51 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 12:32:36 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 08:57:17 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 21:36:15 -0500, wrote:

I hunted quail all over Maryland but the best spot was a friend's farm
on the Eastern Shore. I only hunted over dogs once and although it was
very efficient, Over dogs, it is like shooting skeet. I was shooting
skeet at the time and I was thinking it was too easy.
I like walking them down better.
Part of it is the challenge.

Never did it with dogs. My pointer would probably love it though.

That might be fun for the dog but a real bird dog takes a lot of
training. The pair we were hunting over could herd up a covey and hold
them until you called the flush, then they charged the birds and
flushed them away in a "station 7 low house" configuration. Shooting
them seemed too easy to me. I limited out in less than an hour.

Walking them down is a lot more like hunting. You are never sure when
they will flush or which way they will go.

The most challenging is woodcock in heavy cover.

No, my dog's not trained. When I first got her, she'd 'point' robins and hold it
until I said "OK". Now she's gotten used to the birds and shows no interest. She'd
point just like in the pictures, with one paw raised and dead still.

Never hunted woodcock. Wouldn't know what one looked like. Pheasants, pigeons, and
quail is about it as far as birds go. Oh, and crows as a kid. Never shot one. They
seemed to know what a rifle looks like and would stay about a half mile away.

Woodcock is like a quail with a long beak. They live back in the
woods. The first one I kicked surprised the hell out of me but I gave
him a load of #5s anyway. I was expecting a rabbit.
The owner didn't even know they were there.

Back in the olden days we used to shoot crows at the dump (not a real
land fill, just an old country dump) but we made blinds so they would
get close enough. We were still taking shots at 50 yards or more.
My old Remington .22 pump with a 6x Weaver was pretty reliable out to
100 yards.




Were the crows tasty?

On Tue, 1 Dec 2015 12:26:34 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/1/2015 12:20 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 19:34:23 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 14:32:51 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 12:32:36 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 08:57:17 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 21:36:15 -0500, wrote:

I hunted quail all over Maryland but the best spot was a friend's farm
on the Eastern Shore. I only hunted over dogs once and although it was
very efficient, Over dogs, it is like shooting skeet. I was shooting
skeet at the time and I was thinking it was too easy.
I like walking them down better.
Part of it is the challenge.

Never did it with dogs. My pointer would probably love it though.

That might be fun for the dog but a real bird dog takes a lot of
training. The pair we were hunting over could herd up a covey and hold
them until you called the flush, then they charged the birds and
flushed them away in a "station 7 low house" configuration. Shooting
them seemed too easy to me. I limited out in less than an hour.

Walking them down is a lot more like hunting. You are never sure when
they will flush or which way they will go.

The most challenging is woodcock in heavy cover.

No, my dog's not trained. When I first got her, she'd 'point' robins and hold it
until I said "OK". Now she's gotten used to the birds and shows no interest. She'd
point just like in the pictures, with one paw raised and dead still.

Never hunted woodcock. Wouldn't know what one looked like. Pheasants, pigeons, and
quail is about it as far as birds go. Oh, and crows as a kid. Never shot one. They
seemed to know what a rifle looks like and would stay about a half mile away.

Woodcock is like a quail with a long beak. They live back in the
woods. The first one I kicked surprised the hell out of me but I gave
him a load of #5s anyway. I was expecting a rabbit.
The owner didn't even know they were there.

Back in the olden days we used to shoot crows at the dump (not a real
land fill, just an old country dump) but we made blinds so they would
get close enough. We were still taking shots at 50 yards or more.
My old Remington .22 pump with a 6x Weaver was pretty reliable out to
100 yards.


I'm guessing dump crows are not as smart as farm crows. On my grandfather's farm they
were smart sonsabitches. I had a single-shot .22 - no scope. It's funny because the
damn things would sit on the power lines cawing as we walked to school. But as soon
as I had the rifle they'd never come close.

Must be related somehow to fly's. Ever notice one can bug the s%&T out
of you until you get a fly swatter? It then disappears.



I really think it has more to do with eye contact. When you look at an
animal like you are a predator they can tell the difference and they
get away. I see the same thing with wasps. If you just swat aimlessly
at one, they will end up stinging you but it you actually make a well
targeted motion at them, they fly away. In the case of a paper wasp
nest, there is always a "guard". Identify him and engage him and you
can usually just knock the nest down, unharmed. If you don't engage
him, you will get stung, usually in the back somewhere. That leads to
more stings.

On Tue, 1 Dec 2015 13:09:46 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 11/30/15 7:34 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 14:32:51 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 12:32:36 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 08:57:17 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 21:36:15 -0500, wrote:

I hunted quail all over Maryland but the best spot was a friend's farm
on the Eastern Shore. I only hunted over dogs once and although it was
very efficient, Over dogs, it is like shooting skeet. I was shooting
skeet at the time and I was thinking it was too easy.
I like walking them down better.
Part of it is the challenge.

Never did it with dogs. My pointer would probably love it though.

That might be fun for the dog but a real bird dog takes a lot of
training. The pair we were hunting over could herd up a covey and hold
them until you called the flush, then they charged the birds and
flushed them away in a "station 7 low house" configuration. Shooting
them seemed too easy to me. I limited out in less than an hour.

Walking them down is a lot more like hunting. You are never sure when
they will flush or which way they will go.

The most challenging is woodcock in heavy cover.

No, my dog's not trained. When I first got her, she'd 'point' robins and hold it
until I said "OK". Now she's gotten used to the birds and shows no interest. She'd
point just like in the pictures, with one paw raised and dead still.

Never hunted woodcock. Wouldn't know what one looked like. Pheasants, pigeons, and
quail is about it as far as birds go. Oh, and crows as a kid. Never shot one. They
seemed to know what a rifle looks like and would stay about a half mile away.

Woodcock is like a quail with a long beak. They live back in the
woods. The first one I kicked surprised the hell out of me but I gave
him a load of #5s anyway. I was expecting a rabbit.
The owner didn't even know they were there.

Back in the olden days we used to shoot crows at the dump (not a real
land fill, just an old country dump) but we made blinds so they would
get close enough. We were still taking shots at 50 yards or more.
My old Remington .22 pump with a 6x Weaver was pretty reliable out to
100 yards.




Were the crows tasty?

My buddy tried one and not so much, same with a pigeon.