On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 04:25:57 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:


On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 16:11:08 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

A couple of months ago I brought this subject to my doctor. I complained that we didn't have an easily accessible diagnostic program to check us for potential problems like clogged arteries. His response was to change my lifestyle now to head off problems.
Best of luck to you over the next few months.

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"There's nothing wrong with changing to a healthier lifestyle but there
are plenty of tests available here in the USA."



I'm sure we have most of them here but you have to have some kind of event before you get access to them.
It's almost as if my doctor has to pay for them out of his own pocket. I'd just like to see a complete diagnosis program for any senior who wants one. Might save a life.

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If you have a history of high cholesterol or high blood sugar or high
blood pressure, that plus your age should be sufficient justification
for a heart scan.

On 12/5/2015 7:25 AM, True North wrote:

On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 16:11:08 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

A couple of months ago I brought this subject to my doctor. I complained that we didn't have an easily accessible diagnostic program to check us for potential problems like clogged arteries. His response was to change my lifestyle now to head off problems.
Best of luck to you over the next few months.

===

"There's nothing wrong with changing to a healthier lifestyle but there
are plenty of tests available here in the USA."



I'm sure we have most of them here but you have to have some kind of event before you get access to them.
It's almost as if my doctor has to pay for them out of his own pocket. I'd just like to see a complete diagnosis program for any senior who wants one. Might save a life.

The US welcomes all comers. It's not too late to defect.

On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 09:46:07 -0500 (EST), Justan Ohlphart wrote:

True North Wrote in message:

On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 16:11:08 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

A couple of months ago I brought this subject to my doctor. I complained that we didn't have an easily accessible diagnostic program to check us for potential problems like clogged arteries. His response was to change my lifestyle now to head off problems.
Best of luck to you over the next few months.

===

"There's nothing wrong with changing to a healthier lifestyle but there
are plenty of tests available here in the USA."



I'm sure we have most of them here but you have to have some kind of event before you get access to them.
It's almost as if my doctor has to pay for them out of his own pocket. I'd just like to see a complete diagnosis program for any senior who wants one. Might save a life.


Tell me again why you choose to live in s socialist country where
the liberal socialist gubmint does everything BUT take proper
care of you?

It's funny. I complained to my doc about palpitations while I was playing golf (heart
racing, dizzy). Stress tests with nuclear crap in my veins, EKGs, heart monitor for
two weeks, sonograms, you name it. They found nothing wrong and told me I should
start eating breakfast when I play golf.

Of course, the USA doesn't have the fantastic health care system of Canada.
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Ban idiots, not guns!

On Sat, 05 Dec 2015 09:54:02 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 04:25:57 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:


On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 16:11:08 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

A couple of months ago I brought this subject to my doctor. I complained that we didn't have an easily accessible diagnostic program to check us for potential problems like clogged arteries. His response was to change my lifestyle now to head off problems.
Best of luck to you over the next few months.

===

"There's nothing wrong with changing to a healthier lifestyle but there
are plenty of tests available here in the USA."



I'm sure we have most of them here but you have to have some kind of event before you get access to them.
It's almost as if my doctor has to pay for them out of his own pocket. I'd just like to see a complete diagnosis program for any senior who wants one. Might save a life.

===

If you have a history of high cholesterol or high blood sugar or high
blood pressure, that plus your age should be sufficient justification
for a heart scan.

Add smoking.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 10:28:47 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 12/5/2015 7:25 AM, True North wrote:

On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 16:11:08 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

A couple of months ago I brought this subject to my doctor. I complained that we didn't have an easily accessible diagnostic program to check us for potential problems like clogged arteries. His response was to change my lifestyle now to head off problems.
Best of luck to you over the next few months.

===

"There's nothing wrong with changing to a healthier lifestyle but there
are plenty of tests available here in the USA."



I'm sure we have most of them here but you have to have some kind of event before you get access to them.
It's almost as if my doctor has to pay for them out of his own pocket. I'd just like to see a complete diagnosis program for any senior who wants one. Might save a life.

The US welcomes all comers. It's not too late to defect.

===

Wealthy Canadians come to the US for health care all the time. Our
care may be expensive but it's not rationed by the government, is
available to anyone, and is generally very good.

On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 04:25:57 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:


On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 16:11:08 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

A couple of months ago I brought this subject to my doctor. I complained that we didn't have an easily accessible diagnostic program to check us for potential problems like clogged arteries. His response was to change my lifestyle now to head off problems.
Best of luck to you over the next few months.

===

"There's nothing wrong with changing to a healthier lifestyle but there
are plenty of tests available here in the USA."



I'm sure we have most of them here but you have to have some kind of event before you get access to them.
It's almost as if my doctor has to pay for them out of his own pocket. I'd just like to see a complete diagnosis program for any senior who wants one. Might save a life.

That is one good thing about "pay to play" medicine like we have here.
That stuff is pushed on you whether you want it or not.
I had 2 MRIs for a sore wrist.
It is also why we have the most expensive medical care in the world.
I agree with those who say some of the testing can become excessive.
I suspect the number of lawyers we have has a lot to do with it.
Doctors practice defensive medicine. They want to be in the position
of saying "there was nothing else we could have done" when they get
sued and they get sued a lot. It is a profit center for the lawyers.

On 12/5/2015 11:15 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 04:25:57 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:


On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 16:11:08 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

A couple of months ago I brought this subject to my doctor. I complained that we didn't have an easily accessible diagnostic program to check us for potential problems like clogged arteries. His response was to change my lifestyle now to head off problems.
Best of luck to you over the next few months.

===

"There's nothing wrong with changing to a healthier lifestyle but there
are plenty of tests available here in the USA."



I'm sure we have most of them here but you have to have some kind of event before you get access to them.
It's almost as if my doctor has to pay for them out of his own pocket. I'd just like to see a complete diagnosis program for any senior who wants one. Might save a life.

That is one good thing about "pay to play" medicine like we have here.
That stuff is pushed on you whether you want it or not.
I had 2 MRIs for a sore wrist.
It is also why we have the most expensive medical care in the world.
I agree with those who say some of the testing can become excessive.
I suspect the number of lawyers we have has a lot to do with it.
Doctors practice defensive medicine. They want to be in the position
of saying "there was nothing else we could have done" when they get
sued and they get sued a lot. It is a profit center for the lawyers.


I just read a report that only 1 in 14 doctors are sued per year and the
docs win 85% of the time. The cost factor is the concern of being sued
and the mandatory malpractice insurance they must carry. Insurance
companies are the ones raking in the bucks.

Years ago if you sprained your ankle, you might wrap a tight brace
around it, hobble around for a couple of weeks and in a month it would
be all better. Now, you get x-rays, MRI's, crutches, wrap a brace
around it, hobble around for a couple of weeks and in a month it's all
better.

On Sat, 05 Dec 2015 10:53:32 -0500,
wrote:


Wealthy Canadians come to the US for health care all the time. Our
care may be expensive but it's not rationed by the government, is
available to anyone, and is generally very good.

Very true. I saw plenty of Canadian tags at the sports medicine doctor
I went to. He does a lot of joint and soft tissue work, the kind of
thing that might be blown off in a rationed medicine world.
This guy owns his own MRI machine and I suspect he pays for it again
every year.
I am not surprised that insurance is so expensive. Everyone thinks
they are spending other people's money.

On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 11:33:36 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/5/2015 11:15 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 04:25:57 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:


On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 16:11:08 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

A couple of months ago I brought this subject to my doctor. I complained that we didn't have an easily accessible diagnostic program to check us for potential problems like clogged arteries. His response was to change my lifestyle now to head off problems.
Best of luck to you over the next few months.

===

"There's nothing wrong with changing to a healthier lifestyle but there
are plenty of tests available here in the USA."



I'm sure we have most of them here but you have to have some kind of event before you get access to them.
It's almost as if my doctor has to pay for them out of his own pocket. I'd just like to see a complete diagnosis program for any senior who wants one. Might save a life.

That is one good thing about "pay to play" medicine like we have here.
That stuff is pushed on you whether you want it or not.
I had 2 MRIs for a sore wrist.
It is also why we have the most expensive medical care in the world.
I agree with those who say some of the testing can become excessive.
I suspect the number of lawyers we have has a lot to do with it.
Doctors practice defensive medicine. They want to be in the position
of saying "there was nothing else we could have done" when they get
sued and they get sued a lot. It is a profit center for the lawyers.


I just read a report that only 1 in 14 doctors are sued per year and the
docs win 85% of the time. The cost factor is the concern of being sued
and the mandatory malpractice insurance they must carry. Insurance
companies are the ones raking in the bucks.


That is a huge number. How much do you think car insurance would be if
7% of all drivers had a 5-6 figure accident every year?
Insurance companies are just bookies, scraping their "vig" off of the
claim money, which sets the premium rate.
It does make the idea that insurance companies try to limit claims
seem ludicrous tho. I agree they don't want "unexpected" claims but as
long as they are out in front of the claims with the premiums, they
like claims. It allows them to raise the rates again.
I found out you can get kicked off a jury in a heart beat if you say
"doctors lawyers and insurance companies are a fiscal perpetual motion
machine, raising the cost of everything you do and everything you buy"

When I said that in voir dire, both sides were writing vigorously and
I was out of there.


Years ago if you sprained your ankle, you might wrap a tight brace
around it, hobble around for a couple of weeks and in a month it would
be all better. Now, you get x-rays, MRI's, crutches, wrap a brace
around it, hobble around for a couple of weeks and in a month it's all
better.


I agree. My wrist problem was fixed in one physical therapy session
(and advice of what to do myself)
That was after about $100,000 worth of bull**** that didn't find
anything or fix anything. When they started trying to throw drugs at
it that I refused to take, they finally did what they should have done
in the first place.
The whole thing would have gone away on it's own if I never went to
the doctor in the first place and just went on with my life.
They actually made it worse with the braces and "immobilize" advice
that they sold me.
The first thing the PT lady said it throw away that brace and exercise
your joints. I was OK in a week.

On Sat, 05 Dec 2015 12:05:29 -0500, wrote:

When they started trying to throw drugs at
it that I refused to take, they finally did what they should have done
in the first place.
The whole thing would have gone away on it's own if I never went to
the doctor in the first place and just went on with my life.
They actually made it worse with the braces and "immobilize" advice
that they sold me.

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When your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.