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Is Paris/Isis Over?
On 11/27/15 7:32 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/27/2015 7:19 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/27/15 7:08 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/27/2015 6:52 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/27/15 3:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/27/2015 3:24 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 13:33:19 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:56:26 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/27/15 12:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:02:23 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 18:38:18 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:23:43 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:12:53 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: The teachers were not looking for anything massive, but the law said there had to be good faith negotiations...and the strikes helped make that happen. === Unions willing to break the law are guilty of extortion. Teachers work hard for their money but salaries, and paticularly benefits, have gotten out of line with private industry. This will cause a major crisis at some point and force many local school districts into bankruptcy. I am not even upset at teacher salaries and benefits. What ****es me off is they can't get rid of bad teachers, pay is not tied to performance and the administration siphons 60% of the money away before it ever trickles down to the actual classroom. Sounds like you've been there and done that. You are correct. A few years ago I did go through the school board budget, pretty much line for line and developed a summary of where the money was going. Then I compared that to a few other places. The striking thing was how much of the money is going to things that are not really education related. In defense of the teachers themselves, I would say, they will not make any real money in the classroom compared to what they can make if they move downtown to the administration office. Now you end up with a teacher who we may have been better off keeping in the classroom, being a mediocre administrator but that is how the career path is structured. You can't get a serious administrative job without being a teacher. It is an entirely different skill set. Charter schools are starting to demonstrate the flaws in the way we run school systems, even though they are running with ankle weights. Good grief. You went through a local school board budget and proclaimed yourself an expert. Hehehe. It is simple math and math is a pure science. ...but you know that. It is a simple fact that you can put a kid in the best secular private school in Lee County for what the school board is spending on them. That you can do simple math doesn't mean you understand a school budget, but of course you are the world's greatest living expert. It is not hard to understand when they break out where the money is being spent. I am sorry that you underestimate the abilities of people you disagree with but that does not make them wrong. Harry cracks me up. When the subject is global warming or creationism, math, science and statistics reign but when it comes to a social issue dear to his heart, math, science and statistics go out the window and the insults start. You are absolutely correct. Two of our kids went to public high schools, the third went to a highly rated private high school. I just looked up the current public school budget and the "cost per pupil" for the long list of budgetary line items. Then I looked up the current tuition (inclusive of all student fees) for the private school our third kid graduated from. The total "cost per pupil" is actually slightly higher in the public school than the tuition for the private. The private has a statistical record of the highest percentage of graduates continuing on to college and also has the higher average SAT scores. It is a bit naive to compare cost per pupil between public and private schools, since public schools in the main pay their staffs decently, and are also burdened with trying to correct most of the ills of society dumped on kids with impoverished parents, have to provide programs for intellectually and emotionally challenged kids, and don't have the advantage of cherry picking their students. But, hey, it's just math, right? Good grief. You are hopeless. Yeah, because I'm taking into account the pressures on public school systems versus the relative lack of pressure on private schools. Not what I was referring to or thinking. Question: Do you *ever* have a positive thought or ever feel lucky and privileged to live in the USA? I don't think I have ever known anyone who is so negative ... about just about everything, except for maybe your gun collection. Are you sure you are ok? I'm supposed to guess your hidden meaning? I don't live in the Republican bubble. |
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Is Paris/Isis Over?
On 11/27/2015 7:32 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/27/2015 7:19 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/27/15 7:08 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/27/2015 6:52 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/27/15 3:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/27/2015 3:24 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 13:33:19 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:56:26 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/27/15 12:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:02:23 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 18:38:18 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:23:43 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:12:53 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: The teachers were not looking for anything massive, but the law said there had to be good faith negotiations...and the strikes helped make that happen. === Unions willing to break the law are guilty of extortion. Teachers work hard for their money but salaries, and paticularly benefits, have gotten out of line with private industry. This will cause a major crisis at some point and force many local school districts into bankruptcy. I am not even upset at teacher salaries and benefits. What ****es me off is they can't get rid of bad teachers, pay is not tied to performance and the administration siphons 60% of the money away before it ever trickles down to the actual classroom. Sounds like you've been there and done that. You are correct. A few years ago I did go through the school board budget, pretty much line for line and developed a summary of where the money was going. Then I compared that to a few other places. The striking thing was how much of the money is going to things that are not really education related. In defense of the teachers themselves, I would say, they will not make any real money in the classroom compared to what they can make if they move downtown to the administration office. Now you end up with a teacher who we may have been better off keeping in the classroom, being a mediocre administrator but that is how the career path is structured. You can't get a serious administrative job without being a teacher. It is an entirely different skill set. Charter schools are starting to demonstrate the flaws in the way we run school systems, even though they are running with ankle weights. Good grief. You went through a local school board budget and proclaimed yourself an expert. Hehehe. It is simple math and math is a pure science. ...but you know that. It is a simple fact that you can put a kid in the best secular private school in Lee County for what the school board is spending on them. That you can do simple math doesn't mean you understand a school budget, but of course you are the world's greatest living expert. It is not hard to understand when they break out where the money is being spent. I am sorry that you underestimate the abilities of people you disagree with but that does not make them wrong. Harry cracks me up. When the subject is global warming or creationism, math, science and statistics reign but when it comes to a social issue dear to his heart, math, science and statistics go out the window and the insults start. You are absolutely correct. Two of our kids went to public high schools, the third went to a highly rated private high school. I just looked up the current public school budget and the "cost per pupil" for the long list of budgetary line items. Then I looked up the current tuition (inclusive of all student fees) for the private school our third kid graduated from. The total "cost per pupil" is actually slightly higher in the public school than the tuition for the private. The private has a statistical record of the highest percentage of graduates continuing on to college and also has the higher average SAT scores. It is a bit naive to compare cost per pupil between public and private schools, since public schools in the main pay their staffs decently, and are also burdened with trying to correct most of the ills of society dumped on kids with impoverished parents, have to provide programs for intellectually and emotionally challenged kids, and don't have the advantage of cherry picking their students. But, hey, it's just math, right? Good grief. You are hopeless. Yeah, because I'm taking into account the pressures on public school systems versus the relative lack of pressure on private schools. Not what I was referring to or thinking. Question: Do you *ever* have a positive thought or ever feel lucky and privileged to live in the USA? I don't think I have ever known anyone who is so negative ... about just about everything, except for maybe your gun collection. Are you sure you are ok? He should take his guns and go join up with ISIS. He certainly hasn't done the USA any good. First thing they'd do is cut his tongue out. |
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Is Paris/Isis Over?
Are you sure you are ok?
Its called "Gaslighting" Look it up, No cure. |
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#5
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Is Paris/Isis Over?
On 11/28/2015 1:47 AM, wrote:
Are you sure you are ok? Its called "Gaslighting" Look it up, No cure. I wish you folks would learn to set up your news readers properly before you get on usenert and jump into conversations. I'm talking to you "moore" and, of course our old pal Dumb Donnie. I get the feeling you are referring to Harry Krause, right? Here's the lookup: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...ing-gaslighted |
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