On 11/7/2015 8:17 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 11/7/2015 2:12 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/6/2015 5:40 PM, Califbill wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:45:25 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Friday, November 6, 2015 at 1:18:49 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Outed regarding his claimed appointment to West Point.
That's the end of his political ambitions, assuming he
ever had any.

He's mis-remembering something that happened 46 years ago, and/or
using
sloppy language to describer it. From what I've read, it's likely
that
he did meet General Westmoreland, and they did discuss West Point.
Carson never applied, so the appointment was never granted.
Perhaps he
had the impression that it was a given?

Almost as bad as claiming to have flown into Bosnia under
heavy sniper fire.

But that didn't end that particular career, did it?

If Westmoreland said he could get Carson into West Point, then Carson
could have
gotten into West Point. Carson probably didn't know at the time that
there is no such
thing as a 'full paid scholarship' to West Point, but I can imagine
Westmoreland
using such a term. Cadets do not pay to attend USMA, but are, in
fact, paid a salary
while there. They do incur a five year obligation to the military (at
least it was
five years when I was in the military).

It's very easy to be confused about entrance requirements to USMA. As
a young PFC, my
lieutenant urged me to apply, which I did. I went before a board of
the company
officers, a board of battalion officers, and then went to the board
at the brigade
level. When I walked in the personnel staff NCO at the brigade HQ
happened to look at
my hand. He then looked up and said, "Are you married?" No one had
asked that
question or noticed the ring. When I told him I was, he was shocked.
Of course he
cancelled that board and let the full colonel presiding know about
the boo-boo.

Was I offered a scholarship? No. But I was told by several officers
that I could get
into the academy.

**** happens.

Now some liberal can make a lot of hay from my story, just as they
are Ben Carson's
story.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Different ways of getting to military academy. I was a 2nd alternate
for
my congressman. He had come competitive exams for his appointments. I
would have had to have both the primary and the 1st alternate fail
somehow
to have got the appointment.



The problem with Carson's story is that all references to Westmoreland
being involved have now disappeared from his account of what happened.
In a book he claims it was Westmoreland who said he could get a
"scholarship". His most recent story (last night) was that he can't
remember who the people were who offered him the scholarship.


"can't remember"? He must have caught that disease from Hillary.

In his defense, it was 50 years ago. But still, if it was General
Westmoreland who personally offered the "scholarship" as described in
Carson's book, you would think he'd remember it. Instead, he now refers
to a "group" of people and can't remember who they were.

On 11/7/15 9:28 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/7/2015 8:17 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 11/7/2015 2:12 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/6/2015 5:40 PM, Califbill wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:45:25 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Friday, November 6, 2015 at 1:18:49 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Outed regarding his claimed appointment to West Point.
That's the end of his political ambitions, assuming he
ever had any.

He's mis-remembering something that happened 46 years ago, and/or
using
sloppy language to describer it. From what I've read, it's likely
that
he did meet General Westmoreland, and they did discuss West Point.
Carson never applied, so the appointment was never granted.
Perhaps he
had the impression that it was a given?

Almost as bad as claiming to have flown into Bosnia under
heavy sniper fire.

But that didn't end that particular career, did it?

If Westmoreland said he could get Carson into West Point, then Carson
could have
gotten into West Point. Carson probably didn't know at the time that
there is no such
thing as a 'full paid scholarship' to West Point, but I can imagine
Westmoreland
using such a term. Cadets do not pay to attend USMA, but are, in
fact, paid a salary
while there. They do incur a five year obligation to the military (at
least it was
five years when I was in the military).

It's very easy to be confused about entrance requirements to USMA. As
a young PFC, my
lieutenant urged me to apply, which I did. I went before a board of
the company
officers, a board of battalion officers, and then went to the board
at the brigade
level. When I walked in the personnel staff NCO at the brigade HQ
happened to look at
my hand. He then looked up and said, "Are you married?" No one had
asked that
question or noticed the ring. When I told him I was, he was shocked.
Of course he
cancelled that board and let the full colonel presiding know about
the boo-boo.

Was I offered a scholarship? No. But I was told by several officers
that I could get
into the academy.

**** happens.

Now some liberal can make a lot of hay from my story, just as they
are Ben Carson's
story.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Different ways of getting to military academy. I was a 2nd alternate
for
my congressman. He had come competitive exams for his appointments. I
would have had to have both the primary and the 1st alternate fail
somehow
to have got the appointment.



The problem with Carson's story is that all references to Westmoreland
being involved have now disappeared from his account of what happened.
In a book he claims it was Westmoreland who said he could get a
"scholarship". His most recent story (last night) was that he can't
remember who the people were who offered him the scholarship.


"can't remember"? He must have caught that disease from Hillary.

In his defense, it was 50 years ago. But still, if it was General
Westmoreland who personally offered the "scholarship" as described in
Carson's book, you would think he'd remember it. Instead, he now refers
to a "group" of people and can't remember who they were.




Neither can they, I am sure. Carson is a crackpot or, actually, a:

http://tinyurl.com/o76pvws

On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 07:06:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Now, this may shock you:

Just like how the liberal side conveniently left out "illegal" when
bashing Trump and his comments about (illegal) immigrants, the right
conveniently leaves out the word "democratic" when describing Bernie
as a socialist. I don't think many people know the difference between
a socialist and a "democratic socialist".

The lawyer friend I have and I have discussed this from time to time.
He considers himself a democratic socialist.

If "democratic socialist" simply means that the welfare and interests of
a nation's citizens comes before the welfare and interests of large
corporations, politicians or special interest groups, then include me in
the "democratic socialist" category. :-)


Everyone from the nazis to the soviets have thrown the name
"socialist" around when describing themselves. I really look at what
they want to do, not what they call themselves.
My only real problem with Bernie is he underestimates the amount of
taxes necessary to fund the government programs he advocates and he
underestimates the inflationary impact of his $15 minimum wage.
Other than that, he is a Libertarian.


As for Carson, I do find it ironic that people are now saying he isn't
"thuggish" enough to run as a black man and are questioning his
alleged violent past

On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 09:28:07 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


In his defense, it was 50 years ago. But still, if it was General
Westmoreland who personally offered the "scholarship" as described in
Carson's book, you would think he'd remember it. Instead, he now refers
to a "group" of people and can't remember who they were.


My guess is he was addressing a group of gifted people of color,
saying "you too can go to West Point" and Carson remembers it a bit
more fondly than it may have actually been. The academies are for
people looking at a career in the military so I can see how it would
be easy to blow it off if you did not want to go that way. I doubt
Harry would take that seriously either but 50 years later he might
remember that it was an option.
Harry may be right when he says the troubling thing about Carson is
his religious politics but I wonder how serious he is about that. It
may just be a way to cement his relationship with the 38%.

This is truly silly time in the electoral process and over 90% of the
people we are looking at now will be gone in 11 months.
If history is an indication, none of the front runners will still be
there except maybe Hillary and that is far from certain.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/primary%20one%20year%20out.jpg

On 11/7/15 11:51 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 09:28:07 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


In his defense, it was 50 years ago. But still, if it was General
Westmoreland who personally offered the "scholarship" as described in
Carson's book, you would think he'd remember it. Instead, he now refers
to a "group" of people and can't remember who they were.


My guess is he was addressing a group of gifted people of color,
saying "you too can go to West Point" and Carson remembers it a bit
more fondly than it may have actually been. The academies are for
people looking at a career in the military so I can see how it would
be easy to blow it off if you did not want to go that way. I doubt
Harry would take that seriously either but 50 years later he might
remember that it was an option.

I was mildly interested in attending the Coast Guard Academy during my
junior year of high school, but the interest "passed." No political
string-pulling was necessary.

On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 16:59:10 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 11/6/2015 2:51 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:45:25 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Friday, November 6, 2015 at 1:18:49 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Outed regarding his claimed appointment to West Point.
That's the end of his political ambitions, assuming he
ever had any.

He's mis-remembering something that happened 46 years ago, and/or using sloppy language to describer it. From what I've read, it's likely that he did meet General Westmoreland, and they did discuss West Point. Carson never applied, so the appointment was never granted. Perhaps he had the impression that it was a given?

Almost as bad as claiming to have flown into Bosnia under
heavy sniper fire.

But that didn't end that particular career, did it?

If Westmoreland said he could get Carson into West Point, then Carson could have
gotten into West Point. Carson probably didn't know at the time that there is no such
thing as a 'full paid scholarship' to West Point, but I can imagine Westmoreland
using such a term. Cadets do not pay to attend USMA, but are, in fact, paid a salary
while there. They do incur a five year obligation to the military (at least it was
five years when I was in the military).

It's very easy to be confused about entrance requirements to USMA. As a young PFC, my
lieutenant urged me to apply, which I did. I went before a board of the company
officers, a board of battalion officers, and then went to the board at the brigade
level. When I walked in the personnel staff NCO at the brigade HQ happened to look at
my hand. He then looked up and said, "Are you married?" No one had asked that
question or noticed the ring. When I told him I was, he was shocked. Of course he
cancelled that board and let the full colonel presiding know about the boo-boo.

Was I offered a scholarship? No. But I was told by several officers that I could get
into the academy.

**** happens.

Now some liberal can make a lot of hay from my story, just as they are Ben Carson's
story.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!



The West Point thing isn't the only strange tale to come from Carson in
the past week. He also gave an account about how he was somewhat of a
bad ass as a kid living in Detroit and recounted an event where he
stabbed some other kid in the stomach with a knife. The media jumped
all over this, investigating and interviewing anyone they could find who
knew Carson at that time. Last I knew, nobody has any recollection of
such an event.

He has a right to his beliefs and his religious views but I am starting
to wonder if he has all his oars in the water.




We've been camping. Haven't heard that story yet. But I did listen to CNN for a few
minutes on the way to the campground. I am convinced the liberal media will do
anything it can to drag any GOP candidate through the dirt. I don't for a minute
believe the liberal media did all that much searching to find a witness to the
'incident'.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On Sat, 07 Nov 2015 01:21:16 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 14:40:39 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:45:25 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Friday, November 6, 2015 at 1:18:49 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Outed regarding his claimed appointment to West Point.
That's the end of his political ambitions, assuming he
ever had any.

He's mis-remembering something that happened 46 years ago, and/or using
sloppy language to describer it. From what I've read, it's likely that
he did meet General Westmoreland, and they did discuss West Point.
Carson never applied, so the appointment was never granted. Perhaps he
had the impression that it was a given?

Almost as bad as claiming to have flown into Bosnia under
heavy sniper fire.

But that didn't end that particular career, did it?

If Westmoreland said he could get Carson into West Point, then Carson could have
gotten into West Point. Carson probably didn't know at the time that there is no such
thing as a 'full paid scholarship' to West Point, but I can imagine Westmoreland
using such a term. Cadets do not pay to attend USMA, but are, in fact, paid a salary
while there. They do incur a five year obligation to the military (at least it was
five years when I was in the military).

It's very easy to be confused about entrance requirements to USMA. As a young PFC, my
lieutenant urged me to apply, which I did. I went before a board of the company
officers, a board of battalion officers, and then went to the board at the brigade
level. When I walked in the personnel staff NCO at the brigade HQ happened to look at
my hand. He then looked up and said, "Are you married?" No one had asked that
question or noticed the ring. When I told him I was, he was shocked. Of course he
cancelled that board and let the full colonel presiding know about the boo-boo.

Was I offered a scholarship? No. But I was told by several officers that I could get
into the academy.

**** happens.

Now some liberal can make a lot of hay from my story, just as they are Ben Carson's
story.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Different ways of getting to military academy. I was a 2nd alternate for
my congressman. He had come competitive exams for his appointments. I
would have had to have both the primary and the 1st alternate fail somehow
to have got the appointment.

One of my in law's kids was on the short list for Annapolis and he
blew it off over a girl (just one missed appointment). That is a one
way deal. He tried to get back on the list and they said too bad.

Amen. They don't play games.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 02:12:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 11/6/2015 5:40 PM, Califbill wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:45:25 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Friday, November 6, 2015 at 1:18:49 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Outed regarding his claimed appointment to West Point.
That's the end of his political ambitions, assuming he
ever had any.

He's mis-remembering something that happened 46 years ago, and/or using
sloppy language to describer it. From what I've read, it's likely that
he did meet General Westmoreland, and they did discuss West Point.
Carson never applied, so the appointment was never granted. Perhaps he
had the impression that it was a given?

Almost as bad as claiming to have flown into Bosnia under
heavy sniper fire.

But that didn't end that particular career, did it?

If Westmoreland said he could get Carson into West Point, then Carson could have
gotten into West Point. Carson probably didn't know at the time that there is no such
thing as a 'full paid scholarship' to West Point, but I can imagine Westmoreland
using such a term. Cadets do not pay to attend USMA, but are, in fact, paid a salary
while there. They do incur a five year obligation to the military (at least it was
five years when I was in the military).

It's very easy to be confused about entrance requirements to USMA. As a young PFC, my
lieutenant urged me to apply, which I did. I went before a board of the company
officers, a board of battalion officers, and then went to the board at the brigade
level. When I walked in the personnel staff NCO at the brigade HQ happened to look at
my hand. He then looked up and said, "Are you married?" No one had asked that
question or noticed the ring. When I told him I was, he was shocked. Of course he
cancelled that board and let the full colonel presiding know about the boo-boo.

Was I offered a scholarship? No. But I was told by several officers that I could get
into the academy.

**** happens.

Now some liberal can make a lot of hay from my story, just as they are Ben Carson's
story.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Different ways of getting to military academy. I was a 2nd alternate for
my congressman. He had come competitive exams for his appointments. I
would have had to have both the primary and the 1st alternate fail somehow
to have got the appointment.



The problem with Carson's story is that all references to Westmoreland
being involved have now disappeared from his account of what happened.
In a book he claims it was Westmoreland who said he could get a
"scholarship". His most recent story (last night) was that he can't
remember who the people were who offered him the scholarship.

I was offered a scholarship to the University of Kansas, if I would major in a
'music' field. I have no idea who the people were who offered me the scholarship. I
didn't take it because I wasn't interested in a music major. I was 17 at the time.

Maybe he never met Westmoreland. But then again, if he was a 17 year old whiz kid
ROTC student, I would have no problem believing someone told him he could get him an
appointment at the academy.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 12:25:52 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 11/7/15 11:51 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 09:28:07 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


In his defense, it was 50 years ago. But still, if it was General
Westmoreland who personally offered the "scholarship" as described in
Carson's book, you would think he'd remember it. Instead, he now refers
to a "group" of people and can't remember who they were.


My guess is he was addressing a group of gifted people of color,
saying "you too can go to West Point" and Carson remembers it a bit
more fondly than it may have actually been. The academies are for
people looking at a career in the military so I can see how it would
be easy to blow it off if you did not want to go that way. I doubt
Harry would take that seriously either but 50 years later he might
remember that it was an option.

I was mildly interested in attending the Coast Guard Academy during my
junior year of high school, but the interest "passed." No political
string-pulling was necessary.

Necessary for what...the 'passing' of your interest?

Do you think there is no political string-pulling in getting an appointment to the
Navy, Air Force, or Army academies?
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 12:25:52 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 11/7/15 11:51 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 09:28:07 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


In his defense, it was 50 years ago. But still, if it was General
Westmoreland who personally offered the "scholarship" as described in
Carson's book, you would think he'd remember it. Instead, he now refers
to a "group" of people and can't remember who they were.


My guess is he was addressing a group of gifted people of color,
saying "you too can go to West Point" and Carson remembers it a bit
more fondly than it may have actually been. The academies are for
people looking at a career in the military so I can see how it would
be easy to blow it off if you did not want to go that way. I doubt
Harry would take that seriously either but 50 years later he might
remember that it was an option.

I was mildly interested in attending the Coast Guard Academy during my
junior year of high school, but the interest "passed." No political
string-pulling was necessary.

Necessary for what...the 'passing' of your interest?

Do you think there is no political string-pulling in getting an appointment to the
Navy, Air Force, or Army academies?
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

No, **** for brains. Back then and maybe still appointment to the Coast
Guard academy was strictly on merit. Political nominations were not part of
the process.

W

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