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Reality Sucks Leading GOP candidates aren’t at war with the press. They just have a problem with the truth. By William Saletan Half an hour into Wednesday’s Republican presidential debate, Sen. Ted Cruz exploded at the CNBC moderators. “The questions that have been asked so far in this debate illustrate why the American people don’t trust the media,” Cruz fumed. “You look at the questions: ‘Donald Trump, are you a comic-book villain?’ ‘Ben Carson, can you do math?’ ‘John Kasich, will you insult two people over here?’ ‘Marco Rubio, why don't you resign?’ ‘Jeb Bush, why have your numbers fallen?’ How about talking about the substantive issues the people care about?” By the end of the evening, Cruz, Carson, Trump, Rubio, and several other candidates had declared war on the press. They claimed to speak for the Republican Party, the American people, and the truth. These candidates are deluded. Many of their statements were falsified on the spot. Others were exposed as absurd by their opponents. It’s true that the debate exposed a division within the country. But the division isn’t between the press and the public. It’s between people who listen to evidence—reporters, policy analysts, and many Democrats and Republicans—and an impervious, defiant wing of the GOP. Take Cruz’s speech. It doesn’t even match the debate transcript. To begin with, nobody called Trump a villain. CNBC’s John Harwood asked Trump how he would fulfill his promises to “build a wall and make another country pay for it” (Mexico), “send 11 million people out of the country” (undocumented immigrants), and “cut taxes $10 trillion without increasing the deficit.” Second, nobody asked Carson whether he could do math. CNBC’s Becky Quick asked Carson how he would close the $1 trillion gap between current federal spending and the revenue projected from Carson’s 15 percent flat tax. Third, nobody asked Kasich to insult his colleagues. Kasich volunteered that Trump’s and Carson’s promises were impractical and incoherent. All of these questions were substantive. In fact, Cruz’s speech was a diversion from the query that had been posed to him—namely, why did he oppose this week’s agreement to raise the debt limit? Presented with facts and figures that didn’t fit their story, the leading Republican candidates accused the moderators of malice and deceit. As the evening wore on, it became increasingly obvious that Trump, Carson, and their allies onstage didn’t just have a problem with the press. They had problems with fellow Republicans. Harwood brought up Ben Bernanke, the former Federal Reserve chairman who recently declared that the GOP, hijacked by the “know-nothingism of the far right,” had forfeited Bernanke’s allegiance. Sen. Rand Paul dismissed Bernanke’s criticism as “arrogance” and said it showed why the Fed should be audited. Paul, one-upping Cruz and Rubio—who had already celebrated the resignation of House Speaker John Boehner—spurned Boehner’s likely replacement, Paul Ryan, as “more of the same.” For much, much mo http://tinyurl.com/ozxmvax |
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On 11/2/2015 9:15 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
Reality Sucks Leading GOP candidates aren’t at war with the press. They just have a problem with the truth. By William Saletan Half an hour into Wednesday’s Republican presidential debate, Sen. Ted Cruz exploded at the CNBC moderators. “The questions that have been asked so far in this debate illustrate why the American people don’t trust the media,” Cruz fumed. “You look at the questions: ‘Donald Trump, are you a comic-book villain?’ ‘Ben Carson, can you do math?’ ‘John Kasich, will you insult two people over here?’ ‘Marco Rubio, why don't you resign?’ ‘Jeb Bush, why have your numbers fallen?’ How about talking about the substantive issues the people care about?” By the end of the evening, Cruz, Carson, Trump, Rubio, and several other candidates had declared war on the press. They claimed to speak for the Republican Party, the American people, and the truth. These candidates are deluded. Many of their statements were falsified on the spot. Others were exposed as absurd by their opponents. It’s true that the debate exposed a division within the country. But the division isn’t between the press and the public. It’s between people who listen to evidence—reporters, policy analysts, and many Democrats and Republicans—and an impervious, defiant wing of the GOP. Take Cruz’s speech. It doesn’t even match the debate transcript. To begin with, nobody called Trump a villain. CNBC’s John Harwood asked Trump how he would fulfill his promises to “build a wall and make another country pay for it” (Mexico), “send 11 million people out of the country” (undocumented immigrants), and “cut taxes $10 trillion without increasing the deficit.” Second, nobody asked Carson whether he could do math. CNBC’s Becky Quick asked Carson how he would close the $1 trillion gap between current federal spending and the revenue projected from Carson’s 15 percent flat tax. Third, nobody asked Kasich to insult his colleagues. Kasich volunteered that Trump’s and Carson’s promises were impractical and incoherent. All of these questions were substantive. In fact, Cruz’s speech was a diversion from the query that had been posed to him—namely, why did he oppose this week’s agreement to raise the debt limit? Presented with facts and figures that didn’t fit their story, the leading Republican candidates accused the moderators of malice and deceit. As the evening wore on, it became increasingly obvious that Trump, Carson, and their allies onstage didn’t just have a problem with the press. They had problems with fellow Republicans. Harwood brought up Ben Bernanke, the former Federal Reserve chairman who recently declared that the GOP, hijacked by the “know-nothingism of the far right,” had forfeited Bernanke’s allegiance. Sen. Rand Paul dismissed Bernanke’s criticism as “arrogance” and said it showed why the Fed should be audited. Paul, one-upping Cruz and Rubio—who had already celebrated the resignation of House Speaker John Boehner—spurned Boehner’s likely replacement, Paul Ryan, as “more of the same.” For much, much mo http://tinyurl.com/ozxmvax Have you noticed that nobody else in this newsgroup routinely posts long, cut and paste commentaries on politics like you do? Some express personal opinions and preferences from time to time but that's about it. What are you trying to prove? |
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On 11/2/15 9:33 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/2/2015 9:15 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: Reality Sucks Leading GOP candidates aren’t at war with the press. They just have a problem with the truth. By William Saletan Half an hour into Wednesday’s Republican presidential debate, Sen. Ted Cruz exploded at the CNBC moderators. “The questions that have been asked so far in this debate illustrate why the American people don’t trust the media,” Cruz fumed. “You look at the questions: ‘Donald Trump, are you a comic-book villain?’ ‘Ben Carson, can you do math?’ ‘John Kasich, will you insult two people over here?’ ‘Marco Rubio, why don't you resign?’ ‘Jeb Bush, why have your numbers fallen?’ How about talking about the substantive issues the people care about?” By the end of the evening, Cruz, Carson, Trump, Rubio, and several other candidates had declared war on the press. They claimed to speak for the Republican Party, the American people, and the truth. These candidates are deluded. Many of their statements were falsified on the spot. Others were exposed as absurd by their opponents. It’s true that the debate exposed a division within the country. But the division isn’t between the press and the public. It’s between people who listen to evidence—reporters, policy analysts, and many Democrats and Republicans—and an impervious, defiant wing of the GOP. Take Cruz’s speech. It doesn’t even match the debate transcript. To begin with, nobody called Trump a villain. CNBC’s John Harwood asked Trump how he would fulfill his promises to “build a wall and make another country pay for it” (Mexico), “send 11 million people out of the country” (undocumented immigrants), and “cut taxes $10 trillion without increasing the deficit.” Second, nobody asked Carson whether he could do math. CNBC’s Becky Quick asked Carson how he would close the $1 trillion gap between current federal spending and the revenue projected from Carson’s 15 percent flat tax. Third, nobody asked Kasich to insult his colleagues. Kasich volunteered that Trump’s and Carson’s promises were impractical and incoherent. All of these questions were substantive. In fact, Cruz’s speech was a diversion from the query that had been posed to him—namely, why did he oppose this week’s agreement to raise the debt limit? Presented with facts and figures that didn’t fit their story, the leading Republican candidates accused the moderators of malice and deceit. As the evening wore on, it became increasingly obvious that Trump, Carson, and their allies onstage didn’t just have a problem with the press. They had problems with fellow Republicans. Harwood brought up Ben Bernanke, the former Federal Reserve chairman who recently declared that the GOP, hijacked by the “know-nothingism of the far right,” had forfeited Bernanke’s allegiance. Sen. Rand Paul dismissed Bernanke’s criticism as “arrogance” and said it showed why the Fed should be audited. Paul, one-upping Cruz and Rubio—who had already celebrated the resignation of House Speaker John Boehner—spurned Boehner’s likely replacement, Paul Ryan, as “more of the same.” For much, much mo http://tinyurl.com/ozxmvax Have you noticed that nobody else in this newsgroup routinely posts long, cut and paste commentaries on politics like you do? Some express personal opinions and preferences from time to time but that's about it. What are you trying to prove? I occasionally post such articles or portions of them, as in the current case. |
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On 11/2/2015 9:15 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
Reality Sucks Leading GOP candidates aren’t at war with the press. They just have a problem with the truth. By William Saletan Half an hour into Wednesday’s Republican presidential debate, Sen. Ted Cruz exploded at the CNBC moderators. “The questions that have been asked so far in this debate illustrate why the American people don’t trust the media,” Cruz fumed. “You look at the questions: ‘Donald Trump, are you a comic-book villain?’ ‘Ben Carson, can you do math?’ ‘John Kasich, will you insult two people over here?’ ‘Marco Rubio, why don't you resign?’ ‘Jeb Bush, why have your numbers fallen?’ How about talking about the substantive issues the people care about?” By the end of the evening, Cruz, Carson, Trump, Rubio, and several other candidates had declared war on the press. They claimed to speak for the Republican Party, the American people, and the truth. These candidates are deluded. Many of their statements were falsified on the spot. Others were exposed as absurd by their opponents. It’s true that the debate exposed a division within the country. But the division isn’t between the press and the public. It’s between people who listen to evidence—reporters, policy analysts, and many Democrats and Republicans—and an impervious, defiant wing of the GOP. Take Cruz’s speech. It doesn’t even match the debate transcript. To begin with, nobody called Trump a villain. CNBC’s John Harwood asked Trump how he would fulfill his promises to “build a wall and make another country pay for it” (Mexico), “send 11 million people out of the country” (undocumented immigrants), and “cut taxes $10 trillion without increasing the deficit.” Second, nobody asked Carson whether he could do math. CNBC’s Becky Quick asked Carson how he would close the $1 trillion gap between current federal spending and the revenue projected from Carson’s 15 percent flat tax. Third, nobody asked Kasich to insult his colleagues. Kasich volunteered that Trump’s and Carson’s promises were impractical and incoherent. All of these questions were substantive. In fact, Cruz’s speech was a diversion from the query that had been posed to him—namely, why did he oppose this week’s agreement to raise the debt limit? Presented with facts and figures that didn’t fit their story, the leading Republican candidates accused the moderators of malice and deceit. As the evening wore on, it became increasingly obvious that Trump, Carson, and their allies onstage didn’t just have a problem with the press. They had problems with fellow Republicans. Harwood brought up Ben Bernanke, the former Federal Reserve chairman who recently declared that the GOP, hijacked by the “know-nothingism of the far right,” had forfeited Bernanke’s allegiance. Sen. Rand Paul dismissed Bernanke’s criticism as “arrogance” and said it showed why the Fed should be audited. Paul, one-upping Cruz and Rubio—who had already celebrated the resignation of House Speaker John Boehner—spurned Boehner’s likely replacement, Paul Ryan, as “more of the same.” For much, much mo http://tinyurl.com/ozxmvax That's enough already. Besides what difference does it make? |
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On 11/2/2015 10:06 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/2/15 9:33 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/2/2015 9:15 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: Reality Sucks Leading GOP candidates aren’t at war with the press. They just have a problem with the truth. By William Saletan Half an hour into Wednesday’s Republican presidential debate, Sen. Ted Cruz exploded at the CNBC moderators. “The questions that have been asked so far in this debate illustrate why the American people don’t trust the media,” Cruz fumed. “You look at the questions: ‘Donald Trump, are you a comic-book villain?’ ‘Ben Carson, can you do math?’ ‘John Kasich, will you insult two people over here?’ ‘Marco Rubio, why don't you resign?’ ‘Jeb Bush, why have your numbers fallen?’ How about talking about the substantive issues the people care about?” By the end of the evening, Cruz, Carson, Trump, Rubio, and several other candidates had declared war on the press. They claimed to speak for the Republican Party, the American people, and the truth. These candidates are deluded. Many of their statements were falsified on the spot. Others were exposed as absurd by their opponents. It’s true that the debate exposed a division within the country. But the division isn’t between the press and the public. It’s between people who listen to evidence—reporters, policy analysts, and many Democrats and Republicans—and an impervious, defiant wing of the GOP. Take Cruz’s speech. It doesn’t even match the debate transcript. To begin with, nobody called Trump a villain. CNBC’s John Harwood asked Trump how he would fulfill his promises to “build a wall and make another country pay for it” (Mexico), “send 11 million people out of the country” (undocumented immigrants), and “cut taxes $10 trillion without increasing the deficit.” Second, nobody asked Carson whether he could do math. CNBC’s Becky Quick asked Carson how he would close the $1 trillion gap between current federal spending and the revenue projected from Carson’s 15 percent flat tax. Third, nobody asked Kasich to insult his colleagues. Kasich volunteered that Trump’s and Carson’s promises were impractical and incoherent. All of these questions were substantive. In fact, Cruz’s speech was a diversion from the query that had been posed to him—namely, why did he oppose this week’s agreement to raise the debt limit? Presented with facts and figures that didn’t fit their story, the leading Republican candidates accused the moderators of malice and deceit. As the evening wore on, it became increasingly obvious that Trump, Carson, and their allies onstage didn’t just have a problem with the press. They had problems with fellow Republicans. Harwood brought up Ben Bernanke, the former Federal Reserve chairman who recently declared that the GOP, hijacked by the “know-nothingism of the far right,” had forfeited Bernanke’s allegiance. Sen. Rand Paul dismissed Bernanke’s criticism as “arrogance” and said it showed why the Fed should be audited. Paul, one-upping Cruz and Rubio—who had already celebrated the resignation of House Speaker John Boehner—spurned Boehner’s likely replacement, Paul Ryan, as “more of the same.” For much, much mo http://tinyurl.com/ozxmvax Have you noticed that nobody else in this newsgroup routinely posts long, cut and paste commentaries on politics like you do? Some express personal opinions and preferences from time to time but that's about it. What are you trying to prove? I occasionally post such articles or portions of them, as in the current case. You didn't answer Luddite's question. |
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On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 09:15:45 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
Reality Sucks Leading GOP candidates aren’t at war with the press. They just have a problem with the truth. It is true that CNBC, which is supposed to be a business channel, did not ask that many economic questions. It is also true that none of these press conferences can be called debates because there is very little actual interchange between the candidates. I asked before and didn't really get an answer from you. Are the democrats going to let Fox moderate one of their debates? Your brain fart was along the lines of "if the GOP can't deal with NBC, how will they deal with Putin". I could say the same thing about the Democrats and Mygan Kelly or Hannity |
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On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 09:33:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 11/2/2015 9:15 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: Reality Sucks Leading GOP candidates aren’t at war with the press. They just have a problem with the truth. By William Saletan Have you noticed that nobody else in this newsgroup routinely posts long, cut and paste commentaries on politics like you do? Some express personal opinions and preferences from time to time but that's about it. What are you trying to prove? Lack of imagination? |
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On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 11:21:14 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/2/15 11:18 AM, wrote: On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 09:33:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/2/2015 9:15 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: Reality Sucks Leading GOP candidates aren’t at war with the press. They just have a problem with the truth. By William Saletan Have you noticed that nobody else in this newsgroup routinely posts long, cut and paste commentaries on politics like you do? Some express personal opinions and preferences from time to time but that's about it. What are you trying to prove? Lack of imagination? Lack of interest in golf, RV'ing, other peoples' grandkids, spicy recipes, rec.boats posts from 1998 about defunct boat companies, et cetera. Non responsive brain fart. Can't that over hyped education of yours support actually writing any original opinion pieces? Richard was pointing out that you just quote articles, you never have an original thought. You dodged that question. It does make me wonder if you would have graduated if your professors had the ability to google your papers to see how much was simply cut and pasted. |
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On 11/2/15 12:06 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 11:20:15 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/2/15 11:15 AM, wrote: On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 09:15:45 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Reality Sucks Leading GOP candidates aren’t at war with the press. They just have a problem with the truth. It is true that CNBC, which is supposed to be a business channel, did not ask that many economic questions. It is also true that none of these press conferences can be called debates because there is very little actual interchange between the candidates. I asked before and didn't really get an answer from you. Are the democrats going to let Fox moderate one of their debates? Your brain fart was along the lines of "if the GOP can't deal with NBC, how will they deal with Putin". I could say the same thing about the Democrats and Mygan Kelly or Hannity Why should the Dems bother with Fox or its audience? There's nothing to gain. So you admit these debate "moderators" are biased? Uh, no. My response was clear. The Dem wannabe's do not need Fox or its audience to be nominated or elected. There is nothing to be gained by the Dems "debating" on Fox, so why waste the time? The Repugnants, apparently, think they need exposure to networks other than Fox. I don't know why. Their ship of fools seems intent on sinking itself. I can't wait for Rubio to be questioned closely about his fairy tale life. That'll leave who, Cruz? Delicious. |
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On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 12:14:13 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/2/15 12:06 PM, wrote: On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 11:20:15 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/2/15 11:15 AM, wrote: On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 09:15:45 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Reality Sucks Leading GOP candidates aren’t at war with the press. They just have a problem with the truth. It is true that CNBC, which is supposed to be a business channel, did not ask that many economic questions. It is also true that none of these press conferences can be called debates because there is very little actual interchange between the candidates. I asked before and didn't really get an answer from you. Are the democrats going to let Fox moderate one of their debates? Your brain fart was along the lines of "if the GOP can't deal with NBC, how will they deal with Putin". I could say the same thing about the Democrats and Mygan Kelly or Hannity Why should the Dems bother with Fox or its audience? There's nothing to gain. So you admit these debate "moderators" are biased? Uh, no. My response was clear. The Dem wannabe's do not need Fox or its audience to be nominated or elected. There is nothing to be gained by the Dems "debating" on Fox, so why waste the time? The Repugnants, apparently, think they need exposure to networks other than Fox. I don't know why. Their ship of fools seems intent on sinking itself. I can't wait for Rubio to be questioned closely about his fairy tale life. That'll leave who, Cruz? Delicious. Just the fact that you admit networks can be biased makes my point. We really need the fairness doctrine back. You would change your mind if the Kochs decided to buy NBC and Time Warner. |
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On 11/2/15 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 11:21:14 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/2/15 11:18 AM, wrote: On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 09:33:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/2/2015 9:15 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: Reality Sucks Leading GOP candidates aren’t at war with the press. They just have a problem with the truth. By William Saletan Have you noticed that nobody else in this newsgroup routinely posts long, cut and paste commentaries on politics like you do? Some express personal opinions and preferences from time to time but that's about it. What are you trying to prove? Lack of imagination? Lack of interest in golf, RV'ing, other peoples' grandkids, spicy recipes, rec.boats posts from 1998 about defunct boat companies, et cetera. Non responsive brain fart. Can't that over hyped education of yours support actually writing any original opinion pieces? Richard was pointing out that you just quote articles, you never have an original thought. You dodged that question. It does make me wonder if you would have graduated if your professors had the ability to google your papers to see how much was simply cut and pasted. Hehehe. I've stated many times that the poisonous right-wing atmosphere in rec.boats makes writing and posting "original" opinion pieces here a waste of my time and effort. When the righties here start behaving decently towards everyone, I'll consider it. I did quite well in my English Lit and Sociology majors, based upon my ability to write, my ability to research (before Google) and my understanding of the mechanics of producing college level papers. Certainly I "quoted" sources, because you were supposed to integrate the works of others into your papers, and give those others credit for their "contributions." You were supposed to add your points or knowledge or findings to all that had gone before. I knew this because in the 10 grade at my high school, I was lucky enough to be in the AP English class of one Emma Ruff, unquestionably the best teacher I've ever encountered, and she taught us how to do well in college liberal arts courses, which involve a lot of writing. I lucked out my first semester with placement in "Advanced English Composition." The associate professor wanted us to demonstrate we understood the "how" of writing, so he went to the blackboard and asked each of us to dictate the "completion" of a sentence fragment he scrawled there...a different sentence fragment for each of the 12 class members. Everyone else came up with sentences that ran maybe 100 words. Mine, properly punctuated from beginning to end, ran 997 words and covered three blackboards. Nowadays, most of my "for fun" writing appears on Facebook. |
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On 11/2/15 12:28 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 12:14:13 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/2/15 12:06 PM, wrote: On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 11:20:15 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/2/15 11:15 AM, wrote: On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 09:15:45 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Reality Sucks Leading GOP candidates aren’t at war with the press. They just have a problem with the truth. It is true that CNBC, which is supposed to be a business channel, did not ask that many economic questions. It is also true that none of these press conferences can be called debates because there is very little actual interchange between the candidates. I asked before and didn't really get an answer from you. Are the democrats going to let Fox moderate one of their debates? Your brain fart was along the lines of "if the GOP can't deal with NBC, how will they deal with Putin". I could say the same thing about the Democrats and Mygan Kelly or Hannity Why should the Dems bother with Fox or its audience? There's nothing to gain. So you admit these debate "moderators" are biased? Uh, no. My response was clear. The Dem wannabe's do not need Fox or its audience to be nominated or elected. There is nothing to be gained by the Dems "debating" on Fox, so why waste the time? The Repugnants, apparently, think they need exposure to networks other than Fox. I don't know why. Their ship of fools seems intent on sinking itself. I can't wait for Rubio to be questioned closely about his fairy tale life. That'll leave who, Cruz? Delicious. Just the fact that you admit networks can be biased makes my point. We really need the fairness doctrine back. You would change your mind if the Kochs decided to buy NBC and Time Warner. As I have stated previously, you would have been a lot of fun in college debates. I made no such admission. You are attempting to extrapolate that. Once again, the Dems *do not need* Fox or its audience. If memory serves, NBC is owned by Comcast. Comcast is one of my least favorite corporationist companies. I wouldn't argue against the return of the fairness doctrine or the elimination of "big money" and "secret PACs" from the political process. |
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On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 12:36:38 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
I've stated many times that the poisonous right-wing atmosphere in rec.boats makes writing and posting "original" opinion pieces here a waste of my time and effort. Perhaps opening your posts is a waste of time too. |
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On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 10:49:12 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 11/2/2015 10:06 AM, Keyser Sze wrote: On 11/2/15 9:33 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: For much, much mo http://tinyurl.com/ozxmvax Have you noticed that nobody else in this newsgroup routinely posts long, cut and paste commentaries on politics like you do? Some express personal opinions and preferences from time to time but that's about it. What are you trying to prove? I occasionally post such articles or portions of them, as in the current case. You didn't answer Luddite's question. He probably considers Luddite 'unentitled' to an answer. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 11:21:14 -0500, Keyser Sze wrote:
On 11/2/15 11:18 AM, wrote: On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 09:33:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/2/2015 9:15 AM, Keyser Sze wrote: Reality Sucks Leading GOP candidates arent at war with the press. They just have a problem with the truth. By William Saletan Have you noticed that nobody else in this newsgroup routinely posts long, cut and paste commentaries on politics like you do? Some express personal opinions and preferences from time to time but that's about it. What are you trying to prove? Lack of imagination? Lack of interest in golf, RV'ing, other peoples' grandkids, spicy recipes, rec.boats posts from 1998 about defunct boat companies, et cetera. But posts about your generator, your deck, your guns, your cats, your critters, your owls, your cameras, etc. are OK, eh? What a joke you are, Krause. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 12:36:38 -0500, Keyser Sze wrote:
Nowadays, most of my "for fun" writing appears on Facebook. === And why is it that no one on Facebook has ever heard of you? |
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On 11/2/2015 12:36 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/2/15 12:09 PM, wrote: On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 11:21:14 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/2/15 11:18 AM, wrote: On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 09:33:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/2/2015 9:15 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: Reality Sucks Leading GOP candidates aren’t at war with the press. They just have a problem with the truth. By William Saletan Have you noticed that nobody else in this newsgroup routinely posts long, cut and paste commentaries on politics like you do? Some express personal opinions and preferences from time to time but that's about it. What are you trying to prove? Lack of imagination? Lack of interest in golf, RV'ing, other peoples' grandkids, spicy recipes, rec.boats posts from 1998 about defunct boat companies, et cetera. Non responsive brain fart. Can't that over hyped education of yours support actually writing any original opinion pieces? Richard was pointing out that you just quote articles, you never have an original thought. You dodged that question. It does make me wonder if you would have graduated if your professors had the ability to google your papers to see how much was simply cut and pasted. Hehehe. I've stated many times that the poisonous right-wing atmosphere in rec.boats makes writing and posting "original" opinion pieces here a waste of my time and effort. When the righties here start behaving decently towards everyone, I'll consider it. I did quite well in my English Lit and Sociology majors, based upon my ability to write, my ability to research (before Google) and my understanding of the mechanics of producing college level papers. Certainly I "quoted" sources, because you were supposed to integrate the works of others into your papers, and give those others credit for their "contributions." You were supposed to add your points or knowledge or findings to all that had gone before. I knew this because in the 10 grade at my high school, I was lucky enough to be in the AP English class of one Emma Ruff, unquestionably the best teacher I've ever encountered, and she taught us how to do well in college liberal arts courses, which involve a lot of writing. I lucked out my first semester with placement in "Advanced English Composition." The associate professor wanted us to demonstrate we understood the "how" of writing, so he went to the blackboard and asked each of us to dictate the "completion" of a sentence fragment he scrawled there...a different sentence fragment for each of the 12 class members. Everyone else came up with sentences that ran maybe 100 words. Mine, properly punctuated from beginning to end, ran 997 words and covered three blackboards. Nowadays, most of my "for fun" writing appears on Facebook. I've read some of it. Pretty much the same stuff you post here Harry. |
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On 11/2/2015 11:20 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/2/15 11:15 AM, wrote: On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 09:15:45 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Reality Sucks Leading GOP candidates aren’t at war with the press. They just have a problem with the truth. It is true that CNBC, which is supposed to be a business channel, did not ask that many economic questions. It is also true that none of these press conferences can be called debates because there is very little actual interchange between the candidates. I asked before and didn't really get an answer from you. Are the democrats going to let Fox moderate one of their debates? Your brain fart was along the lines of "if the GOP can't deal with NBC, how will they deal with Putin". I could say the same thing about the Democrats and Mygan Kelly or Hannity Why should the Dems bother with Fox or its audience? There's nothing to gain. Rachael Maddow is going to host a Democrat only candidate "forum" on her show. This should really be interesting. |
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On 11/2/2015 12:06 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 11:20:15 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/2/15 11:15 AM, wrote: On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 09:15:45 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Reality Sucks Leading GOP candidates aren’t at war with the press. They just have a problem with the truth. It is true that CNBC, which is supposed to be a business channel, did not ask that many economic questions. It is also true that none of these press conferences can be called debates because there is very little actual interchange between the candidates. I asked before and didn't really get an answer from you. Are the democrats going to let Fox moderate one of their debates? Your brain fart was along the lines of "if the GOP can't deal with NBC, how will they deal with Putin". I could say the same thing about the Democrats and Mygan Kelly or Hannity Why should the Dems bother with Fox or its audience? There's nothing to gain. So you admit these debate "moderators" are biased? There was a long lasting discussion about the media on "Morning Joe" this morning. Joe pointed out that other than Fox, the majority, if not all, of both cable TV and broadcast network TV talk shows are hosted by people of the liberal persuasion. The result is it's almost impossible to select a debate moderator who can truly claim to be non-partisan. I think the debates thus far, especially the CNBC one, clearly demonstrates that. Here's another quick example of news manipulation by the liberal media: Chris Christie was called out the other day for yapping away on his cell phone in the "quiet car" of the train. Virtually all the media outlets made hay with this insinuating that he is nothing but a big mouthed, arrogant bully type. Turns out, the reported accounts weren't exactly accurate. Christie boarded late, didn't realize he was in the "quiet car" and, when it was brought to his attention, he quickly left the car. He was polite and apologetic of his mistake. |
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On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 12:36:38 -0500, Keyser Sze wrote:
On 11/2/15 12:09 PM, wrote: On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 11:21:14 -0500, Keyser Sze wrote: On 11/2/15 11:18 AM, wrote: On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 09:33:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/2/2015 9:15 AM, Keyser Sze wrote: Reality Sucks Leading GOP candidates arent at war with the press. They just have a problem with the truth. By William Saletan Have you noticed that nobody else in this newsgroup routinely posts long, cut and paste commentaries on politics like you do? Some express personal opinions and preferences from time to time but that's about it. What are you trying to prove? Lack of imagination? Lack of interest in golf, RV'ing, other peoples' grandkids, spicy recipes, rec.boats posts from 1998 about defunct boat companies, et cetera. Non responsive brain fart. Can't that over hyped education of yours support actually writing any original opinion pieces? Richard was pointing out that you just quote articles, you never have an original thought. You dodged that question. It does make me wonder if you would have graduated if your professors had the ability to google your papers to see how much was simply cut and pasted. Hehehe. I've stated many times that the poisonous right-wing atmosphere in rec.boats makes writing and posting "original" opinion pieces here a waste of my time and effort. When the righties here start behaving decently towards everyone, I'll consider it. I did quite well in my English Lit and Sociology majors, based upon my ability to write, my ability to research (before Google) and my understanding of the mechanics of producing college level papers. Certainly I "quoted" sources, because you were supposed to integrate the works of others into your papers, and give those others credit for their "contributions." You were supposed to add your points or knowledge or findings to all that had gone before. I knew this because in the 10 grade at my high school, I was lucky enough to be in the AP English class of one Emma Ruff, unquestionably the best teacher I've ever encountered, and she taught us how to do well in college liberal arts courses, which involve a lot of writing. I lucked out my first semester with placement in "Advanced English Composition." The associate professor wanted us to demonstrate we understood the "how" of writing, so he went to the blackboard and asked each of us to dictate the "completion" of a sentence fragment he scrawled there...a different sentence fragment for each of the 12 class members. Everyone else came up with sentences that ran maybe 100 words. Mine, properly punctuated from beginning to end, ran 997 words and covered three blackboards. Nowadays, most of my "for fun" writing appears on Facebook. Harry, you should give yourself a pat on the back once in a while. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 13:38:09 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: Rachael Maddow is going to host a Democrat only candidate "forum" on her show. This should really be interesting. Two hours of "so tell me Hillary, how did you get to be so wonderful" |
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On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 2:09:27 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 13:38:09 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Rachael Maddow is going to host a Democrat only candidate "forum" on her show. This should really be interesting. Two hours of "so tell me Hillary, how did you get to be so wonderful" And what difference does it make? The only people that would watch that show are closed-minded liberals who would only consider a liberal candidate anyway. Most politically-minded folks are like rabid sports fans when it comes to politics... they've chosen their "team" (D or R), and root for them incessantly mo matter how bad they are. We have a prime example right here in this NG, in cased no one has noticed. :) |
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On Mon, 02 Nov 2015 13:15:23 -0500, John H.
wrote: Lack of interest in golf, RV'ing, other peoples' grandkids, spicy recipes, rec.boats posts from 1998 about defunct boat companies, et cetera. But posts about your generator, your deck, your guns, your cats, your critters, your owls, your cameras, etc. are OK, eh? === As long as it's all about him, the topic is very much OK. |
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On Mon, 02 Nov 2015 12:51:09 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 12:36:38 -0500, Keyser Sze wrote: I've stated many times that the poisonous right-wing atmosphere in rec.boats makes writing and posting "original" opinion pieces here a waste of my time and effort. Perhaps opening your posts is a waste of time too. "We've been trying to get that point across to you for quite a while." I'm surprised you didn't issue an order or directive to Greg to cease and desist......oh yeah, he's not one of your Moppetts. |
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On 11/2/15 3:55 PM, True North wrote:
John H. On Mon, 02 Nov 2015 12:51:09 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 12:36:38 -0500, Keyser Sze wrote: I've stated many times that the poisonous right-wing atmosphere in rec.boats makes writing and posting "original" opinion pieces here a waste of my time and effort. Perhaps opening your posts is a waste of time too. "We've been trying to get that point across to you for quite a while." I'm surprised you didn't issue an order or directive to Greg to cease and desist......oh yeah, he's not one of your Moppetts. No sweat. It's just rancorous JohnnyMop. |
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On 11/2/15 1:04 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 12:43:16 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/2/15 12:28 PM, wrote: On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 12:14:13 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/2/15 12:06 PM, wrote: On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 11:20:15 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/2/15 11:15 AM, wrote: On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 09:15:45 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Reality Sucks Leading GOP candidates aren’t at war with the press. They just have a problem with the truth. It is true that CNBC, which is supposed to be a business channel, did not ask that many economic questions. It is also true that none of these press conferences can be called debates because there is very little actual interchange between the candidates. I asked before and didn't really get an answer from you. Are the democrats going to let Fox moderate one of their debates? Your brain fart was along the lines of "if the GOP can't deal with NBC, how will they deal with Putin". I could say the same thing about the Democrats and Mygan Kelly or Hannity Why should the Dems bother with Fox or its audience? There's nothing to gain. So you admit these debate "moderators" are biased? Uh, no. My response was clear. The Dem wannabe's do not need Fox or its audience to be nominated or elected. There is nothing to be gained by the Dems "debating" on Fox, so why waste the time? The Repugnants, apparently, think they need exposure to networks other than Fox. I don't know why. Their ship of fools seems intent on sinking itself. I can't wait for Rubio to be questioned closely about his fairy tale life. That'll leave who, Cruz? Delicious. Just the fact that you admit networks can be biased makes my point. We really need the fairness doctrine back. You would change your mind if the Kochs decided to buy NBC and Time Warner. As I have stated previously, you would have been a lot of fun in college debates. I made no such admission. You are attempting to extrapolate that. Once again, the Dems *do not need* Fox or its audience. You are starting to sound like the right wingers who say they don't need gays and people of color. You're working very hard to overinterpret or misinterpret what I post. |
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On 11/2/15 1:15 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 11:21:14 -0500, Keyser Sze wrote: On 11/2/15 11:18 AM, wrote: On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 09:33:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/2/2015 9:15 AM, Keyser Sze wrote: Reality Sucks Leading GOP candidates arent at war with the press. They just have a problem with the truth. By William Saletan Have you noticed that nobody else in this newsgroup routinely posts long, cut and paste commentaries on politics like you do? Some express personal opinions and preferences from time to time but that's about it. What are you trying to prove? Lack of imagination? Lack of interest in golf, RV'ing, other peoples' grandkids, spicy recipes, rec.boats posts from 1998 about defunct boat companies, et cetera. But posts about your generator, your deck, your guns, your cats, your critters, your owls, your cameras, etc. are OK, eh? What a joke you are, Krause. -- I'm not making a value judgment on your choices of topic, JohnnyMop; I'm just pointing out my lack of interest in your interests. |
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On 11/2/15 1:33 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/2/2015 12:36 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/2/15 12:09 PM, wrote: On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 11:21:14 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/2/15 11:18 AM, wrote: On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 09:33:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/2/2015 9:15 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: Reality Sucks Leading GOP candidates aren’t at war with the press. They just have a problem with the truth. By William Saletan Have you noticed that nobody else in this newsgroup routinely posts long, cut and paste commentaries on politics like you do? Some express personal opinions and preferences from time to time but that's about it. What are you trying to prove? Lack of imagination? Lack of interest in golf, RV'ing, other peoples' grandkids, spicy recipes, rec.boats posts from 1998 about defunct boat companies, et cetera. Non responsive brain fart. Can't that over hyped education of yours support actually writing any original opinion pieces? Richard was pointing out that you just quote articles, you never have an original thought. You dodged that question. It does make me wonder if you would have graduated if your professors had the ability to google your papers to see how much was simply cut and pasted. Hehehe. I've stated many times that the poisonous right-wing atmosphere in rec.boats makes writing and posting "original" opinion pieces here a waste of my time and effort. When the righties here start behaving decently towards everyone, I'll consider it. I did quite well in my English Lit and Sociology majors, based upon my ability to write, my ability to research (before Google) and my understanding of the mechanics of producing college level papers. Certainly I "quoted" sources, because you were supposed to integrate the works of others into your papers, and give those others credit for their "contributions." You were supposed to add your points or knowledge or findings to all that had gone before. I knew this because in the 10 grade at my high school, I was lucky enough to be in the AP English class of one Emma Ruff, unquestionably the best teacher I've ever encountered, and she taught us how to do well in college liberal arts courses, which involve a lot of writing. I lucked out my first semester with placement in "Advanced English Composition." The associate professor wanted us to demonstrate we understood the "how" of writing, so he went to the blackboard and asked each of us to dictate the "completion" of a sentence fragment he scrawled there...a different sentence fragment for each of the 12 class members. Everyone else came up with sentences that ran maybe 100 words. Mine, properly punctuated from beginning to end, ran 997 words and covered three blackboards. Nowadays, most of my "for fun" writing appears on Facebook. I've read some of it. Pretty much the same stuff you post here Harry. Hmmm. I didn't notice your "handle" or username in any of the several groups in which I post. |
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On 11/2/15 1:36 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/2/2015 1:27 PM, wrote: On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 12:36:38 -0500, Keyser Sze wrote: Nowadays, most of my "for fun" writing appears on Facebook. === And why is it that no one on Facebook has ever heard of you? He has contributed comments, mostly on the Daily Kos Facebook page. I've read some of it. Basically a bunch of progressive liberals high five'ing each other. Oh. I don't post often on Kos topics, at most once or twice a month. Surprised you read Kos. |
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On 11/2/15 1:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/2/2015 11:20 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/2/15 11:15 AM, wrote: On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 09:15:45 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Reality Sucks Leading GOP candidates aren’t at war with the press. They just have a problem with the truth. It is true that CNBC, which is supposed to be a business channel, did not ask that many economic questions. It is also true that none of these press conferences can be called debates because there is very little actual interchange between the candidates. I asked before and didn't really get an answer from you. Are the democrats going to let Fox moderate one of their debates? Your brain fart was along the lines of "if the GOP can't deal with NBC, how will they deal with Putin". I could say the same thing about the Democrats and Mygan Kelly or Hannity Why should the Dems bother with Fox or its audience? There's nothing to gain. Rachael Maddow is going to host a Democrat only candidate "forum" on her show. This should really be interesting. I agree. |
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On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 16:25:25 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
Two hours of "so tell me Hillary, how did you get to be so wonderful" Maddow is a policy wonk. She won't be imitating Steve Douchebag of Fox News. No she will be imitating Whoopie Goldburg. |
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On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 16:26:20 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/2/15 1:04 PM, wrote: You are starting to sound like the right wingers who say they don't need gays and people of color. You're working very hard to overinterpret or misinterpret what I post. You are the one who said the democrats were willing to write off anyone who might watch a debate on Fox. Bear in mind Fox has far better ratings than MSNBC among people who actually watch news on TV. I will admit most Democrats get their news from Larry Wilmore and Jimmy Fallon, Then they call everyone else a "low information voter" |
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