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I watched a report on MSNBC earlier today that blew my mind.
It focused on a port in California that handles 40 percent of our import and export shipments to and from China. First item of surprise: 60 percent of the containers loaded with merchandise imported from China are returned to China ... empty. But the biggest surprise is what we are exporting *to* China in huge qualities. Trash. The report showed mountains of recyclable plastic bottles, cardboard, scrap metal and other trash items that are loaded up and set to China. China's workers recycle it, making insulated clothing items from the plastic bottles and cardboard and items like smartphones from the scrap aluminum and metals, then ship them back to the USA for sale back to us. |
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On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:11:00 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: I watched a report on MSNBC earlier today that blew my mind. It focused on a port in California that handles 40 percent of our import and export shipments to and from China. First item of surprise: 60 percent of the containers loaded with merchandise imported from China are returned to China ... empty. But the biggest surprise is what we are exporting *to* China in huge qualities. Trash. The report showed mountains of recyclable plastic bottles, cardboard, scrap metal and other trash items that are loaded up and set to China. China's workers recycle it, making insulated clothing items from the plastic bottles and cardboard and items like smartphones from the scrap aluminum and metals, then ship them back to the USA for sale back to us. It does make the TPP far more important that simply a flip flopping position for candidates. It is really pretty hard to figure out exactly who the winners and losers will be. They talk using the normal political rhetoric without actually telling us what it means. I hear more about it in the foreign news than the US news but they tend to zero in on their particular industries, not the overall effects. New Zealand is concentrating on dairy, something you would have to be in Wisconsin to hear about here. |
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Mr. Luddite wrote:
I watched a report on MSNBC earlier today that blew my mind. It focused on a port in California that handles 40 percent of our import and export shipments to and from China. First item of surprise: 60 percent of the containers loaded with merchandise imported from China are returned to China ... empty. But the biggest surprise is what we are exporting *to* China in huge qualities. Trash. The report showed mountains of recyclable plastic bottles, cardboard, scrap metal and other trash items that are loaded up and set to China. China's workers recycle it, making insulated clothing items from the plastic bottles and cardboard and items like smartphones from the scrap aluminum and metals, then ship them back to the USA for sale back to us. Back in the 50's we loaded our scrap steel on scrap ships, and they towed them to Japan for processing. I guess we are to expensive to do do any real labor. My dad's company did a lot of the work of cutting huge holes in the decks of ships, which was filled with scrap and then welding the deck section back in. As well,as welding the rudder straight and the prop shaft from turning. Seems as will be even better economically for other countries if we keep raising minimum wages. |
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On 10/15/15 12:49 PM, Califbill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote: I watched a report on MSNBC earlier today that blew my mind. It focused on a port in California that handles 40 percent of our import and export shipments to and from China. First item of surprise: 60 percent of the containers loaded with merchandise imported from China are returned to China ... empty. But the biggest surprise is what we are exporting *to* China in huge qualities. Trash. The report showed mountains of recyclable plastic bottles, cardboard, scrap metal and other trash items that are loaded up and set to China. China's workers recycle it, making insulated clothing items from the plastic bottles and cardboard and items like smartphones from the scrap aluminum and metals, then ship them back to the USA for sale back to us. Back in the 50's we loaded our scrap steel on scrap ships, and they towed them to Japan for processing. I guess we are to expensive to do do any real labor. My dad's company did a lot of the work of cutting huge holes in the decks of ships, which was filled with scrap and then welding the deck section back in. As well,as welding the rudder straight and the prop shaft from turning. Seems as will be even better economically for other countries if we keep raising minimum wages. We always had three small "dumpster" like containers behind the boat shop, one for iron and steel, one for aluminum, and one for brass-bronze-copper, and these were for the busted parts of boats, motors, scooters, trailers, et cetera, and were "saved" for the monthly pickup by a local scrap dealer, who would take them to his yard and then send my dad a check for whatever the agreed-upon value per pound was. These weren't the huge dumpsters you see nowadays, but maybe a third as big. Pistons, blocks, drive shafts, broken "pot metal", busted props not worth repairing, fasteners, control wires stripped out of their covers, busted wheels. In those days, the scrap metal was then loaded onto rail cars and shipped off to smelters in the USA to be reprocessed for materials for new parts "made in the USA." I'm sure some of it was also shipped to foreign countries. |
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On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:11:00 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: But the biggest surprise is what we are exporting *to* China in huge qualities. Trash. === It's good to know we still produce something of value. -:) Better for it to go back to China in an otherwise empty container rather than end up in a landfill here don't you think? |
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On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 13:05:38 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 10/15/15 12:49 PM, Califbill wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: I watched a report on MSNBC earlier today that blew my mind. It focused on a port in California that handles 40 percent of our import and export shipments to and from China. First item of surprise: 60 percent of the containers loaded with merchandise imported from China are returned to China ... empty. But the biggest surprise is what we are exporting *to* China in huge qualities. Trash. The report showed mountains of recyclable plastic bottles, cardboard, scrap metal and other trash items that are loaded up and set to China. China's workers recycle it, making insulated clothing items from the plastic bottles and cardboard and items like smartphones from the scrap aluminum and metals, then ship them back to the USA for sale back to us. Back in the 50's we loaded our scrap steel on scrap ships, and they towed them to Japan for processing. I guess we are to expensive to do do any real labor. My dad's company did a lot of the work of cutting huge holes in the decks of ships, which was filled with scrap and then welding the deck section back in. As well,as welding the rudder straight and the prop shaft from turning. Seems as will be even better economically for other countries if we keep raising minimum wages. We always had three small "dumpster" like containers behind the boat shop, one for iron and steel, one for aluminum, and one for brass-bronze-copper, and these were for the busted parts of boats, motors, scooters, trailers, et cetera, and were "saved" for the monthly pickup by a local scrap dealer, who would take them to his yard and then send my dad a check for whatever the agreed-upon value per pound was. These weren't the huge dumpsters you see nowadays, but maybe a third as big. Pistons, blocks, drive shafts, broken "pot metal", busted props not worth repairing, fasteners, control wires stripped out of their covers, busted wheels. In those days, the scrap metal was then loaded onto rail cars and shipped off to smelters in the USA to be reprocessed for materials for new parts "made in the USA." I'm sure some of it was also shipped to foreign countries. === Like it or not, our environmental regs have just about put scrap smelters out of business in this country. Many of the old ones have turned into EPA super fund sites. Apparently steel recycles fairly cleanly however since there are companies like Nucor that make a good business out of it. http://www.nucor.com/story/prologue/ |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/15/15 12:49 PM, Califbill wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: I watched a report on MSNBC earlier today that blew my mind. It focused on a port in California that handles 40 percent of our import and export shipments to and from China. First item of surprise: 60 percent of the containers loaded with merchandise imported from China are returned to China ... empty. But the biggest surprise is what we are exporting *to* China in huge qualities. Trash. The report showed mountains of recyclable plastic bottles, cardboard, scrap metal and other trash items that are loaded up and set to China. China's workers recycle it, making insulated clothing items from the plastic bottles and cardboard and items like smartphones from the scrap aluminum and metals, then ship them back to the USA for sale back to us. Back in the 50's we loaded our scrap steel on scrap ships, and they towed them to Japan for processing. I guess we are to expensive to do do any real labor. My dad's company did a lot of the work of cutting huge holes in the decks of ships, which was filled with scrap and then welding the deck section back in. As well,as welding the rudder straight and the prop shaft from turning. Seems as will be even better economically for other countries if we keep raising minimum wages. We always had three small "dumpster" like containers behind the boat shop, one for iron and steel, one for aluminum, and one for brass-bronze-copper, and these were for the busted parts of boats, motors, scooters, trailers, et cetera, and were "saved" for the monthly pickup by a local scrap dealer, who would take them to his yard and then send my dad a check for whatever the agreed-upon value per pound was. These weren't the huge dumpsters you see nowadays, but maybe a third as big. Pistons, blocks, drive shafts, broken "pot metal", busted props not worth repairing, fasteners, control wires stripped out of their covers, busted wheels. In those days, the scrap metal was then loaded onto rail cars and shipped off to smelters in the USA to be reprocessed for materials for new parts "made in the USA." I'm sure some of it was also shipped to foreign countries. Maybe east coast processed scrap in the USA. But Learners and Snitzers scrap metals filled lots of ships. Snitzers I think has dedicated scrap ships now. But we are a rather dumb country when it comes to spending money. The new Bay Bridge deck sections were built in China by a company that had never built a bridge before. governor Brown stated we would save $300 million on a $6 billion project. How much would we have saved if that $300 million was spent here in the state, providing jobs? Would have saved a lot of welfare and unemployment money! And the bridge decks have problems the Chinese will not fix. |
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On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 13:05:38 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 10/15/15 12:49 PM, Califbill wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: I watched a report on MSNBC earlier today that blew my mind. It focused on a port in California that handles 40 percent of our import and export shipments to and from China. First item of surprise: 60 percent of the containers loaded with merchandise imported from China are returned to China ... empty. But the biggest surprise is what we are exporting *to* China in huge qualities. Trash. The report showed mountains of recyclable plastic bottles, cardboard, scrap metal and other trash items that are loaded up and set to China. China's workers recycle it, making insulated clothing items from the plastic bottles and cardboard and items like smartphones from the scrap aluminum and metals, then ship them back to the USA for sale back to us. Back in the 50's we loaded our scrap steel on scrap ships, and they towed them to Japan for processing. I guess we are to expensive to do do any real labor. My dad's company did a lot of the work of cutting huge holes in the decks of ships, which was filled with scrap and then welding the deck section back in. As well,as welding the rudder straight and the prop shaft from turning. Seems as will be even better economically for other countries if we keep raising minimum wages. We always had three small "dumpster" like containers behind the boat shop, one for iron and steel, one for aluminum, and one for brass-bronze-copper, and these were for the busted parts of boats, motors, scooters, trailers, et cetera, and were "saved" for the monthly pickup by a local scrap dealer, who would take them to his yard and then send my dad a check for whatever the agreed-upon value per pound was. These weren't the huge dumpsters you see nowadays, but maybe a third as big. Pistons, blocks, drive shafts, broken "pot metal", busted props not worth repairing, fasteners, control wires stripped out of their covers, busted wheels. In those days, the scrap metal was then loaded onto rail cars and shipped off to smelters in the USA to be reprocessed for materials for new parts "made in the USA." I'm sure some of it was also shipped to foreign countries. === Like it or not, our environmental regs have just about put scrap smelters out of business in this country. Many of the old ones have turned into EPA super fund sites. Apparently steel recycles fairly cleanly however since there are companies like Nucor that make a good business out of it. http://www.nucor.com/story/prologue/ Friends of ours had last US rebar manufacturing plant. The slag has an arsenic component. They paid huge fees to a Federally licensed dump facility. Later, after their business had petty much been undercut by China and they closed the facilities. (Huge shopping center now), the EPA came after them to pay for cleanup at the EPA super fund site where the slag had ended up. EPA ended up sucking eggs as the rebar company had followed all the rules. EPA and government needs to also consider financial cost as required. Black GM cars used to come from Mexico plant as the Black paint could not be used in the US even with spray booths. |
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On 10/15/15 3:06 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote: On 10/15/15 12:49 PM, Califbill wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: I watched a report on MSNBC earlier today that blew my mind. It focused on a port in California that handles 40 percent of our import and export shipments to and from China. First item of surprise: 60 percent of the containers loaded with merchandise imported from China are returned to China ... empty. But the biggest surprise is what we are exporting *to* China in huge qualities. Trash. The report showed mountains of recyclable plastic bottles, cardboard, scrap metal and other trash items that are loaded up and set to China. China's workers recycle it, making insulated clothing items from the plastic bottles and cardboard and items like smartphones from the scrap aluminum and metals, then ship them back to the USA for sale back to us. Back in the 50's we loaded our scrap steel on scrap ships, and they towed them to Japan for processing. I guess we are to expensive to do do any real labor. My dad's company did a lot of the work of cutting huge holes in the decks of ships, which was filled with scrap and then welding the deck section back in. As well,as welding the rudder straight and the prop shaft from turning. Seems as will be even better economically for other countries if we keep raising minimum wages. We always had three small "dumpster" like containers behind the boat shop, one for iron and steel, one for aluminum, and one for brass-bronze-copper, and these were for the busted parts of boats, motors, scooters, trailers, et cetera, and were "saved" for the monthly pickup by a local scrap dealer, who would take them to his yard and then send my dad a check for whatever the agreed-upon value per pound was. These weren't the huge dumpsters you see nowadays, but maybe a third as big. Pistons, blocks, drive shafts, broken "pot metal", busted props not worth repairing, fasteners, control wires stripped out of their covers, busted wheels. In those days, the scrap metal was then loaded onto rail cars and shipped off to smelters in the USA to be reprocessed for materials for new parts "made in the USA." I'm sure some of it was also shipped to foreign countries. Maybe east coast processed scrap in the USA. But Learners and Snitzers scrap metals filled lots of ships. Snitzers I think has dedicated scrap ships now. But we are a rather dumb country when it comes to spending money. The new Bay Bridge deck sections were built in China by a company that had never built a bridge before. governor Brown stated we would save $300 million on a $6 billion project. How much would we have saved if that $300 million was spent here in the state, providing jobs? Would have saved a lot of welfare and unemployment money! And the bridge decks have problems the Chinese will not fix. I vaguely recall my dad saying the scrap he sold to the local guy ended up in Pittsburgh. This was in the 1950s and 1960s and early 1970s. When my dad died, the boat store had, literally, hundreds of parts bins where new parts for engines dating back to the late 1940s were kept. Mostly metal parts, but some electrical, some rubber, et cetera. A friend of the family who was the owner of a New England boat accessories and parts operation arranged for the sale of all this stuff to a handful of active boat dealers in Connecticut and Rhode Island and my mother ended up with a substantial check as the proceeds. Too bad there was no eBay back then! :) |
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On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 13:05:38 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 10/15/15 12:49 PM, Califbill wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: I watched a report on MSNBC earlier today that blew my mind. It focused on a port in California that handles 40 percent of our import and export shipments to and from China. First item of surprise: 60 percent of the containers loaded with merchandise imported from China are returned to China ... empty. But the biggest surprise is what we are exporting *to* China in huge qualities. Trash. The report showed mountains of recyclable plastic bottles, cardboard, scrap metal and other trash items that are loaded up and set to China. China's workers recycle it, making insulated clothing items from the plastic bottles and cardboard and items like smartphones from the scrap aluminum and metals, then ship them back to the USA for sale back to us. Back in the 50's we loaded our scrap steel on scrap ships, and they towed them to Japan for processing. I guess we are to expensive to do do any real labor. My dad's company did a lot of the work of cutting huge holes in the decks of ships, which was filled with scrap and then welding the deck section back in. As well,as welding the rudder straight and the prop shaft from turning. Seems as will be even better economically for other countries if we keep raising minimum wages. We always had three small "dumpster" like containers behind the boat shop, one for iron and steel, one for aluminum, and one for brass-bronze-copper, and these were for the busted parts of boats, motors, scooters, trailers, et cetera, and were "saved" for the monthly pickup by a local scrap dealer, who would take them to his yard and then send my dad a check for whatever the agreed-upon value per pound was. These weren't the huge dumpsters you see nowadays, but maybe a third as big. Pistons, blocks, drive shafts, broken "pot metal", busted props not worth repairing, fasteners, control wires stripped out of their covers, busted wheels. In those days, the scrap metal was then loaded onto rail cars and shipped off to smelters in the USA to be reprocessed for materials for new parts "made in the USA." I'm sure some of it was also shipped to foreign countries. I talked to one of the scrappers here and he said most of the sorted scrap metal gets used in the US but mixed scrap is exported I don't know how much that is actually true and whether it is just the local disposition but it sounds reasonable. He gets the whole family around and they take stuff like white goods apart, separating as much of the high value stuff out as they can for the best price. He said they could strip a washing machine down in 10 minutes, taking the motors and solenoids apart for the copper, separating the aluminum from the steel and getting rid of all the plastic. Most of it was just working with a screw gun. |
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On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:14:42 -0700, Califbill billnews wrote:
Friends of ours had last US rebar manufacturing plant. The slag has an arsenic component. They paid huge fees to a Federally licensed dump facility. Later, after their business had petty much been undercut by China and they closed the facilities. (Huge shopping center now), the EPA came after them to pay for cleanup at the EPA super fund site where the slag had ended up. EPA ended up sucking eggs as the rebar company had followed all the rules. EPA and government needs to also consider financial cost as required. Black GM cars used to come from Mexico plant as the Black paint could not be used in the US even with spray booths. There was a problem with rebar herein the 80s. They were importing it from Mexico and it was made from radioactive scrap. |
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On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 15:51:43 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote: I vaguely recall my dad saying the scrap he sold to the local guy ended up in Pittsburgh. This was in the 1950s and 1960s and early 1970s. When my dad died, the boat store had, literally, hundreds of parts bins where new parts for engines dating back to the late 1940s were kept. Mostly metal parts, but some electrical, some rubber, et cetera. A friend of the family who was the owner of a New England boat accessories and parts operation arranged for the sale of all this stuff to a handful of active boat dealers in Connecticut and Rhode Island and my mother ended up with a substantial check as the proceeds. Too bad there was no eBay back then! :) That was still when they made steel in Pittsburgh. |
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Now metals are fed into huge shredders to fill export containers
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lXfitusZ9qY |
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On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 06:59:00 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: Now metals are fed into huge shredders to fill export containers https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lXfitusZ9qY That is mixed scrap, not near as valuable as sorted (clean) metals. I assume that waste stream goes through magnetic separation at least but you still need a way to separate aluminum and copper from the plastic and glass. That is easier done in a 3d world plant where labor cost, worker safety and environmental concerns are not as important. |
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On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 11:04:40 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 10/16/15 10:56 AM, wrote: On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 06:59:00 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Now metals are fed into huge shredders to fill export containers https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lXfitusZ9qY That is mixed scrap, not near as valuable as sorted (clean) metals. I assume that waste stream goes through magnetic separation at least but you still need a way to separate aluminum and copper from the plastic and glass. That is easier done in a 3d world plant where labor cost, worker safety and environmental concerns are not as important. Right, it's hard to compete with those libertarian countries where there are few or no standards for labor cost, worker safety, or the environment. :) You don't have a clue do you? The democrats want to be more like those countries with a government that controls the means of production and micro manages every aspect of everyone's life. |
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On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 06:59:00 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Now metals are fed into huge shredders to fill export containers https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lXfitusZ9qY That is mixed scrap, not near as valuable as sorted (clean) metals. I assume that waste stream goes through magnetic separation at least but you still need a way to separate aluminum and copper from the plastic and glass. That is easier done in a 3d world plant where labor cost, worker safety and environmental concerns are not as important. Here is a link to video on the process. My dad did part of the building on the original car shredder back in the 70's. Said had the biggest amount of rebar and concrete in the base. http://www.schnitzersteel.com/metals...g_process.aspx |
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On 10/16/15 11:14 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 11:04:40 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 10/16/15 10:56 AM, wrote: On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 06:59:00 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Now metals are fed into huge shredders to fill export containers https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lXfitusZ9qY That is mixed scrap, not near as valuable as sorted (clean) metals. I assume that waste stream goes through magnetic separation at least but you still need a way to separate aluminum and copper from the plastic and glass. That is easier done in a 3d world plant where labor cost, worker safety and environmental concerns are not as important. Right, it's hard to compete with those libertarian countries where there are few or no standards for labor cost, worker safety, or the environment. :) You don't have a clue do you? The democrats want to be more like those countries with a government that controls the means of production and micro manages every aspect of everyone's life. The Democratic Party has no interest in the government "controlling" the means of production or "managing" every aspect of everyone's life. I get a lot of "snail mail" and electronic mailings from Democratic Party sources and affinity groups, and even from a couple of self-described "socialist" organizations, and none of them are talking the nonsense you bring up here. You need to expand your horizons and stop paying so much attention to libertarian nonsense and right-wing media. Perhaps you can audit a local university liberal arts course in critical thinking. I will grant you, however, that the United States is headed either towards a revolution or a serious restructuring. This country cannot be sustained if 99% of everything is owned/controlled by the wealthiest 3%. |
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On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 06:59:00 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: Now metals are fed into huge shredders to fill export containers https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lXfitusZ9qY That is mixed scrap, not near as valuable as sorted (clean) metals. I assume that waste stream goes through magnetic separation at least but you still need a way to separate aluminum and copper from the plastic and glass. That is easier done in a 3d world plant where labor cost, worker safety and environmental concerns are not as important. ....... Greg, that's true, but with modern techniques, thee are easier ways to separate metals then ever, so mixed becomes in-mixed in better fashion than say 20 years ago |
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On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 08:33:39 -0700, Califbill billnews wrote:
wrote: On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 06:59:00 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Now metals are fed into huge shredders to fill export containers https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lXfitusZ9qY That is mixed scrap, not near as valuable as sorted (clean) metals. I assume that waste stream goes through magnetic separation at least but you still need a way to separate aluminum and copper from the plastic and glass. That is easier done in a 3d world plant where labor cost, worker safety and environmental concerns are not as important. Here is a link to video on the process. My dad did part of the building on the original car shredder back in the 70's. Said had the biggest amount of rebar and concrete in the base. http://www.schnitzersteel.com/metals...g_process.aspx There seems to be a lot of labor in the picking process there and it still looks like a pretty expensive process. That machine isn't cheap. It is easy to see why "clean" copper and aluminum can get a better price at the scrap yard. .. |
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On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 09:16:30 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 06:59:00 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Now metals are fed into huge shredders to fill export containers https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lXfitusZ9qY That is mixed scrap, not near as valuable as sorted (clean) metals. I assume that waste stream goes through magnetic separation at least but you still need a way to separate aluminum and copper from the plastic and glass. That is easier done in a 3d world plant where labor cost, worker safety and environmental concerns are not as important. ...... Greg, that's true, but with modern techniques, thee are easier ways to separate metals then ever, so mixed becomes in-mixed in better fashion than say 20 years ago I guess I am pretty far away from that kind of recycling facility. Our guys are more "old school" and they like to ship clean metal. We have people willing to do that work before they bring in the scrap. |
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On 10/16/2015 11:47 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
You need to expand your horizons and stop paying so much attention to libertarian nonsense and right-wing media. Perhaps you can audit a local university liberal arts course in critical thinking. There you go again. |
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On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 13:09:50 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 10/16/2015 11:47 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: You need to expand your horizons and stop paying so much attention to libertarian nonsense and right-wing media. Perhaps you can audit a local university liberal arts course in critical thinking. There you go again. Harry seems to think that a degree he got during the Nixon administration from a college nobody has ever heard of, allows him to denigrate others. |
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On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 06:59:00 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: Now metals are fed into huge shredders to fill export containers https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lXfitusZ9qY === Amazing, 710 hp. I was really surprised when they put the engine blocks in there. |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/16/15 2:26 PM, wrote: On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 13:09:50 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/16/2015 11:47 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: You need to expand your horizons and stop paying so much attention to libertarian nonsense and right-wing media. Perhaps you can audit a local university liberal arts course in critical thinking. There you go again. Harry seems to think that a degree he got during the Nixon administration from a college nobody has ever heard of, allows him to denigrate others. I got my first college degree during the Johnson Administration and my second during the Nixon Administration. The concepts of and teaching of courses in critical thinking haven't changed, and, considering your earlier post in this thread, you might benefit from those courses. According to you a degree is obsolete at time of receipt. |
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On 10/16/15 3:45 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote: On 10/16/15 2:26 PM, wrote: On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 13:09:50 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/16/2015 11:47 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: You need to expand your horizons and stop paying so much attention to libertarian nonsense and right-wing media. Perhaps you can audit a local university liberal arts course in critical thinking. There you go again. Harry seems to think that a degree he got during the Nixon administration from a college nobody has ever heard of, allows him to denigrate others. I got my first college degree during the Johnson Administration and my second during the Nixon Administration. The concepts of and teaching of courses in critical thinking haven't changed, and, considering your earlier post in this thread, you might benefit from those courses. According to you a degree is obsolete at time of receipt. You are not a careful reader. |
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On 10/16/2015 3:07 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/16/15 2:26 PM, wrote: On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 13:09:50 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/16/2015 11:47 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: You need to expand your horizons and stop paying so much attention to libertarian nonsense and right-wing media. Perhaps you can audit a local university liberal arts course in critical thinking. There you go again. Harry seems to think that a degree he got during the Nixon administration from a college nobody has ever heard of, allows him to denigrate others. I got my first college degree during the Johnson Administration and my second during the Nixon Administration. The concepts of and teaching of courses in critical thinking haven't changed, and, considering your earlier post in this thread, you might benefit from those courses. Critical thinking skills are developed in high school for crying out loud. The cornerstone of critical thinking is wondering and asking "why"? In this regard I suspect Greg has always been a more active "critical thinker" than most, including you. Your comments make you sound very foolish sometimes. |
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On 10/16/15 4:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/16/2015 3:07 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 10/16/15 2:26 PM, wrote: On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 13:09:50 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/16/2015 11:47 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: You need to expand your horizons and stop paying so much attention to libertarian nonsense and right-wing media. Perhaps you can audit a local university liberal arts course in critical thinking. There you go again. Harry seems to think that a degree he got during the Nixon administration from a college nobody has ever heard of, allows him to denigrate others. I got my first college degree during the Johnson Administration and my second during the Nixon Administration. The concepts of and teaching of courses in critical thinking haven't changed, and, considering your earlier post in this thread, you might benefit from those courses. Critical thinking skills are developed in high school for crying out loud. The cornerstone of critical thinking is wondering and asking "why"? In this regard I suspect Greg has always been a more active "critical thinker" than most, including you. Your comments make you sound very foolish sometimes. Really? Did you happen to see Greg's comment about what he thinks Democrats really want? That statement was an example of non-critical thinking. You have to do a bit more than "ask why," eh? Hey, I understand that you fellows are mostly down on formal college education that doesn't teach a trade. |
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On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 15:07:55 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 10/16/15 2:26 PM, wrote: On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 13:09:50 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/16/2015 11:47 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: You need to expand your horizons and stop paying so much attention to libertarian nonsense and right-wing media. Perhaps you can audit a local university liberal arts course in critical thinking. There you go again. Harry seems to think that a degree he got during the Nixon administration from a college nobody has ever heard of, allows him to denigrate others. I got my first college degree during the Johnson Administration and my second during the Nixon Administration. The concepts of and teaching of courses in critical thinking haven't changed, and, considering your earlier post in this thread, you might benefit from those courses. Anyone who disagrees with you seems to lack that skill it seems. That is exactly why I wouldn't want a blathering professor, who went to school at 5 and never left, telling me how I am supposed to think. |
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On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 12:45:00 -0700, Califbill billnews wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote: I got my first college degree during the Johnson Administration and my second during the Nixon Administration. The concepts of and teaching of courses in critical thinking haven't changed, and, considering your earlier post in this thread, you might benefit from those courses. According to you a degree is obsolete at time of receipt. Not if it wasn't about anything useful or topical. |
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On 10/16/15 4:30 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 15:07:55 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 10/16/15 2:26 PM, wrote: On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 13:09:50 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/16/2015 11:47 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: You need to expand your horizons and stop paying so much attention to libertarian nonsense and right-wing media. Perhaps you can audit a local university liberal arts course in critical thinking. There you go again. Harry seems to think that a degree he got during the Nixon administration from a college nobody has ever heard of, allows him to denigrate others. I got my first college degree during the Johnson Administration and my second during the Nixon Administration. The concepts of and teaching of courses in critical thinking haven't changed, and, considering your earlier post in this thread, you might benefit from those courses. Anyone who disagrees with you seems to lack that skill it seems. That is exactly why I wouldn't want a blathering professor, who went to school at 5 and never left, telling me how I am supposed to think. You still don't get it. Professors and a curriculum of the proper courses don't tell you what to think, or what you are supposed to think, they help you learn how to think. That's the difference you don't get. |
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On 10/16/2015 4:30 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/16/15 4:22 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/16/2015 3:07 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 10/16/15 2:26 PM, wrote: On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 13:09:50 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/16/2015 11:47 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: You need to expand your horizons and stop paying so much attention to libertarian nonsense and right-wing media. Perhaps you can audit a local university liberal arts course in critical thinking. There you go again. Harry seems to think that a degree he got during the Nixon administration from a college nobody has ever heard of, allows him to denigrate others. I got my first college degree during the Johnson Administration and my second during the Nixon Administration. The concepts of and teaching of courses in critical thinking haven't changed, and, considering your earlier post in this thread, you might benefit from those courses. Critical thinking skills are developed in high school for crying out loud. The cornerstone of critical thinking is wondering and asking "why"? In this regard I suspect Greg has always been a more active "critical thinker" than most, including you. Your comments make you sound very foolish sometimes. Really? Did you happen to see Greg's comment about what he thinks Democrats really want? That statement was an example of non-critical thinking. You have to do a bit more than "ask why," eh? Hey, I understand that you fellows are mostly down on formal college education that doesn't teach a trade. Not so. There will always be a requirement for teachers and university professors. :-) |
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On 10/16/2015 4:43 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/16/15 4:30 PM, wrote: On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 15:07:55 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 10/16/15 2:26 PM, wrote: On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 13:09:50 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/16/2015 11:47 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: You need to expand your horizons and stop paying so much attention to libertarian nonsense and right-wing media. Perhaps you can audit a local university liberal arts course in critical thinking. There you go again. Harry seems to think that a degree he got during the Nixon administration from a college nobody has ever heard of, allows him to denigrate others. I got my first college degree during the Johnson Administration and my second during the Nixon Administration. The concepts of and teaching of courses in critical thinking haven't changed, and, considering your earlier post in this thread, you might benefit from those courses. Anyone who disagrees with you seems to lack that skill it seems. That is exactly why I wouldn't want a blathering professor, who went to school at 5 and never left, telling me how I am supposed to think. You still don't get it. Professors and a curriculum of the proper courses don't tell you what to think, or what you are supposed to think, they help you learn how to think. That's the difference you don't get. I had one who from the first day of class started spewing all sorts of what is now considered "liberal" rhetoric. His comments weren't instructive or germane to the course ... they were just off the cuff remarks. This was just post Vietnam and, although still in my twenties, I was the oldest student in the class, by far. One day, after several evenings of listening to his off the cuff comments, I responded to one, challenging his position. Politely, of course, but still a challenge to him. He just turned, looking at me over his eyeglasses and smiled. Didn't say a word. |
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On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 12:45:00 -0700, Califbill billnews wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: I got my first college degree during the Johnson Administration and my second during the Nixon Administration. The concepts of and teaching of courses in critical thinking haven't changed, and, considering your earlier post in this thread, you might benefit from those courses. According to you a degree is obsolete at time of receipt. Not if it wasn't about anything useful or topical. Lol. |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/16/15 3:45 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 10/16/15 2:26 PM, wrote: On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 13:09:50 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/16/2015 11:47 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: You need to expand your horizons and stop paying so much attention to libertarian nonsense and right-wing media. Perhaps you can audit a local university liberal arts course in critical thinking. There you go again. Harry seems to think that a degree he got during the Nixon administration from a college nobody has ever heard of, allows him to denigrate others. I got my first college degree during the Johnson Administration and my second during the Nixon Administration. The concepts of and teaching of courses in critical thinking haven't changed, and, considering your earlier post in this thread, you might benefit from those courses. According to you a degree is obsolete at time of receipt. You are not a careful reader. I read your post. |
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On 10/16/15 5:04 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/16/2015 4:43 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 10/16/15 4:30 PM, wrote: On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 15:07:55 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 10/16/15 2:26 PM, wrote: On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 13:09:50 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/16/2015 11:47 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: You need to expand your horizons and stop paying so much attention to libertarian nonsense and right-wing media. Perhaps you can audit a local university liberal arts course in critical thinking. There you go again. Harry seems to think that a degree he got during the Nixon administration from a college nobody has ever heard of, allows him to denigrate others. I got my first college degree during the Johnson Administration and my second during the Nixon Administration. The concepts of and teaching of courses in critical thinking haven't changed, and, considering your earlier post in this thread, you might benefit from those courses. Anyone who disagrees with you seems to lack that skill it seems. That is exactly why I wouldn't want a blathering professor, who went to school at 5 and never left, telling me how I am supposed to think. You still don't get it. Professors and a curriculum of the proper courses don't tell you what to think, or what you are supposed to think, they help you learn how to think. That's the difference you don't get. I had one who from the first day of class started spewing all sorts of what is now considered "liberal" rhetoric. His comments weren't instructive or germane to the course ... they were just off the cuff remarks. This was just post Vietnam and, although still in my twenties, I was the oldest student in the class, by far. One day, after several evenings of listening to his off the cuff comments, I responded to one, challenging his position. Politely, of course, but still a challenge to him. He just turned, looking at me over his eyeglasses and smiled. Didn't say a word. My expectations were not that every professor I encountered would be the "perfect" professor. One of my German professors, an associate professor, actually, was a younger German national and I suspect an unreconstructed Nazi, with a novel set of reasons for WW II. |
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