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On 10/13/2015 8:26 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/13/2015 7:16 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 12:06:33 AM UTC-4, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/12/15 4:20 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/12/15 4:14 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/12/15 2:52 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/12/15 10:17 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 08:38:40 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 9:53 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 20:15:58 -0400, Keyser Söze

wrote:

On 10/11/15 7:43 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 15:42:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:

On 10/11/2015 12:22 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 11:19:16 -0400, Keyser Söze

wrote:

On 10/11/15 10:23 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 08:27:37 -0400, Keyser Söze

g infrastructure.

I will give you half of that. I agree some of the
money could be spent
on infrastructure but you would be trading high tech
jobs for blue
collar construction jobs.
We wouldn't need as much of that education you are
talking about.
You don't need a bachelors degree to run a loader.

Education is a pursuit on its own...as we have
discussed before, I think
there is far more use for education than learning a
trade.

Education isn't a singular pursuit. Foremost is the
need for an
education, professional or vocational, in order to be
self sufficient,
earn a living, provide for a family, be a contributing
member of society
and not be dependent on everyone else for survival. The
need for this
level of education is drilled into every kid's head at a
young age.

Then there's education for pleasure and intellectual
curiosity. That's
secondary.

General liberal arts is a good example.

Harry thinks that in an economy where we have the lowest
labor
participation rate since the end of WWII and the massive
loss of white
collar middle class jobs, that we need more people coming
out of
college without any real marketable skills and a huge
debt, simply
because they had a pursuit of higher learning.

And once again, your opinion of what I think is completely
wrong. You
should just give up on these "projections" of yours. I
think for some
students, the pursuit of knowledge and the hope of making
a contribution
to the bank of knowledge is purpose enough.

It wasn't a projection. I was simply referencing your quote

Education is a pursuit on its own...as we have
discussed before, I think
there is far more use for education than learning a trade.

In this economic climate, kids need the tools to find a
job. They can
learn all about more esoteric things after they are
gainfully employed
Their employer might even kick some money in if they can
see the same
value in liberal arts as you do.

Why don't we just leave it at the fact that you have no
appreciation for
intellectual pursuits that don't produce significant amounts
of money,
and that you believe rigorous thinking is an esoteric pursuit.

After all, what use have we for someone like Leonardo da
Vinci and his
students?

Just have the drones line up for their jobs at The
Corporation each
morning so they can produce their daily quota of widgets and
widget ideas.

I have pursued knowledge in all sorts of fields but it was
after I was
able to feed myself. I know a lot of stuff about a lot of
different
things and I am not afraid to try anything.

I didn't have the catholic church or rich parents to feed me.

These days, the idea that you need to pay someone tens of
thousands of
dollars a year to learn something is ridiculous. there is so
much
college level information on the internet that the only
reason you
would go to a university would be to get that piece of paper,
in hopes
that it would lead to that job making widgets.

If you simply seek the information for your own
enlightenment, it is
free.

You don't understand the college experience. It's not just "the
information," and, no, I am not referring to fraternity parties.

You want to learn esoteric facts for self worth, pay for that
education.
If the rest of society is paying the bills, they should get a
return on
those investments. I take classes these days for fun and to learn
something new. But why should the taxpayers pick up 80% of the
cost of me
taking a guitar class? And way to much overhead in
universities these
days, as well as the primary schools. Some university had
Mexican Food Day
in e cafeteria, been doing it for years. Two students
complained, as was
degrading to Mexicans. So the "Associate executive Vice
President for
Student Affairs" apologized. First, tell the complainers to
suck it up.
And if you have to have titles like that VP, you have way too many
administrators!

"Esoteric facts for self worth..."

Hehehe.

Gotta love rec.bloats.

And what I s wrong about not having the public pay for someone's
desire the
learn some great Trivial Pursuit answers, while we end up paying
them
welfare when they can not find a job playing Trivial Pursuit
after they
graduate?

Hey, Bilious, if you think the answer is Trivial Pursuit, then you
don't
understand the questions. Gotta love rec.bloats.

Nope, I got an Engineering degree. Yours is the Trivial Pursuit path.

Posit: a degree in electrical engineering is obsolete the day it is
issued. A degree in mechanical engineering, however, is not.

Actually mine is an Electro-mechanical discipline. And is never
obsolete.
May need some continuing education, which I did. But other than faster,
and smaller, most notably is still appropriate. Actually, they big want
these days, is for old analog engineers.

Ohm's Law hasn't changed. As you point out, everything an EE learns
in school still applies, just with different packaging for the most
part. When our main design engineer graduated, DSP's didn't exist.
Now our product is loaded with them, and he designs the circuits and
writes the code. The rest of the circuitry is exactly what was taught
in school.

The writer's posit is wrong.

The writer has no clue what engineering is or the courses of study
taught to become one. Young's modulus hasn't changed but in the field
of structural mechanical engineering composite materials and
"engineered" components has certainly changed how structures, aircraft
and even automobiles are designed. In the general field of electrical
and electronics, digital communications has it's modern roots in Morse
Code and 8 bit Teletype systems. Nothing is really "new". Technical
advancements are mostly improvements of prior methods.

Harry cracks me up. I took a mismatch of electrical/electronics/facility
engineering courses over the years it took to get a basic degree. None
of it applied directly to what I ended up doing during
my working career but much of the math and physics involved were very
much related. For example, the principles of electromagnetic radiation
and energy transfer in the field of thin film optical coatings are
very similar to that of RF transmission systems. Same use of a Smith
chart, same basic principles except at a much, much shorter wavelength.
It was easier for me with a background in transmitter and radar systems
to get my head wrapped around thin films in optics than most mechanical
types.

You're talking way over Harry's head.

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