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Update on Clerk Kim Davis
Kim Davis, the defiant Kentucky county clerk, was found in contempt of
court and taken into federal custody. U.S. District Court Judge David Bunning ordered Davis, the Rowan County clerk, to be jailed on the contempt charges until she agrees to comply with multiple court orders to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples. The judge ordered her held indefinitely because he did not believe fines would be enough to compel her to follow the law. Her office refused to issue a marriage license to a same-sex couple as recently as Thursday morning, before Davis and her staff closed the office made the half-hour trip from Morehead to Ashland. |
Update on Clerk Kim Davis
Keyser Söze wrote:
Kim Davis, the defiant Kentucky county clerk, was found in contempt of court and taken into federal custody. U.S. District Court Judge David Bunning ordered Davis, the Rowan County clerk, to be jailed on the contempt charges until she agrees to comply with multiple court orders to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples. The judge ordered her held indefinitely because he did not believe fines would be enough to compel her to follow the law. Her office refused to issue a marriage license to a same-sex couple as recently as Thursday morning, before Davis and her staff closed the office made the half-hour trip from Morehead to Ashland. I question why a Federal Court. Should be a state issue. |
Update on Clerk Kim Davis
On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 13:38:13 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote: Kim Davis, the defiant Kentucky county clerk, was found in contempt of court and taken into federal custody. U.S. District Court Judge David Bunning ordered Davis, the Rowan County clerk, to be jailed on the contempt charges until she agrees to comply with multiple court orders to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples. The judge ordered her held indefinitely because he did not believe fines would be enough to compel her to follow the law. Her office refused to issue a marriage license to a same-sex couple as recently as Thursday morning, before Davis and her staff closed the office made the half-hour trip from Morehead to Ashland. I question why a Federal Court. Should be a state issue. Perhaps state law hasn't caught up with the Supreme Court, such as in this case: http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/l...marria/323201/ -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
Update on Clerk Kim Davis
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 13:17:01 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:
Kim Davis, the defiant Kentucky county clerk, was found in contempt of court and taken into federal custody. U.S. District Court Judge David Bunning ordered Davis, the Rowan County clerk, to be jailed on the contempt charges until she agrees to comply with multiple court orders to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples. The judge ordered her held indefinitely because he did not believe fines would be enough to compel her to follow the law. Her office refused to issue a marriage license to a same-sex couple as recently as Thursday morning, before Davis and her staff closed the office made the half-hour trip from Morehead to Ashland. They keep ignoring the fact that she wasn't issuing ANY marriage licenses. It wasn't discrimination but it may have been illegal if the Kentucky law REQUIRES county clerks to issue them. |
Update on Clerk Kim Davis
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 13:38:13 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: Kim Davis, the defiant Kentucky county clerk, was found in contempt of court and taken into federal custody. U.S. District Court Judge David Bunning ordered Davis, the Rowan County clerk, to be jailed on the contempt charges until she agrees to comply with multiple court orders to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples. The judge ordered her held indefinitely because he did not believe fines would be enough to compel her to follow the law. Her office refused to issue a marriage license to a same-sex couple as recently as Thursday morning, before Davis and her staff closed the office made the half-hour trip from Morehead to Ashland. I question why a Federal Court. Should be a state issue. Perhaps state law hasn't caught up with the Supreme Court, such as in this case: http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/l...marria/323201/ -- Ban idiots, not guns! I saw the video, they were just out looking to offend and put someone in jail for their own amusement. Intolerance is after all the core of the gay rights movement.. |
Update on Clerk Kim Davis
On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 17:25:44 -0400, "Just wait a frekin' minute!"
wrote: John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 13:38:13 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: Kim Davis, the defiant Kentucky county clerk, was found in contempt of court and taken into federal custody. U.S. District Court Judge David Bunning ordered Davis, the Rowan County clerk, to be jailed on the contempt charges until she agrees to comply with multiple court orders to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples. The judge ordered her held indefinitely because he did not believe fines would be enough to compel her to follow the law. Her office refused to issue a marriage license to a same-sex couple as recently as Thursday morning, before Davis and her staff closed the office made the half-hour trip from Morehead to Ashland. I question why a Federal Court. Should be a state issue. Perhaps state law hasn't caught up with the Supreme Court, such as in this case: http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/l...marria/323201/ -- Ban idiots, not guns! I saw the video, they were just out looking to offend and put someone in jail for their own amusement. Intolerance is after all the core of the gay rights movement.. I noticed that the news did not show any pictures of the straight couples who could not get a license there. I suppose they just drove 15 miles down the road to the next county seat. |
Update on Clerk Kim Davis
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 19:53:00 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 9/3/15 7:16 PM, wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 17:25:44 -0400, "Just wait a frekin' minute!" wrote: John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 13:38:13 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: Kim Davis, the defiant Kentucky county clerk, was found in contempt of court and taken into federal custody. U.S. District Court Judge David Bunning ordered Davis, the Rowan County clerk, to be jailed on the contempt charges until she agrees to comply with multiple court orders to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples. The judge ordered her held indefinitely because he did not believe fines would be enough to compel her to follow the law. Her office refused to issue a marriage license to a same-sex couple as recently as Thursday morning, before Davis and her staff closed the office made the half-hour trip from Morehead to Ashland. I question why a Federal Court. Should be a state issue. Perhaps state law hasn't caught up with the Supreme Court, such as in this case: http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/l...marria/323201/ -- Ban idiots, not guns! I saw the video, they were just out looking to offend and put someone in jail for their own amusement. Intolerance is after all the core of the gay rights movement.. I noticed that the news did not show any pictures of the straight couples who could not get a license there. I suppose they just drove 15 miles down the road to the next county seat. Because the clerk in their county refused to do her job, and keep her damned religion out of it. So you admit this was just a political protest, not an actual hardship. I still say that as long as she did not issue any marriage licenses at all, she may have a case, for whatever the motive might be. |
Update on Clerk Kim Davis
On 9/3/2015 8:42 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 19:53:00 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 9/3/15 7:16 PM, wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 17:25:44 -0400, "Just wait a frekin' minute!" wrote: John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 13:38:13 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: Kim Davis, the defiant Kentucky county clerk, was found in contempt of court and taken into federal custody. U.S. District Court Judge David Bunning ordered Davis, the Rowan County clerk, to be jailed on the contempt charges until she agrees to comply with multiple court orders to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples. The judge ordered her held indefinitely because he did not believe fines would be enough to compel her to follow the law. Her office refused to issue a marriage license to a same-sex couple as recently as Thursday morning, before Davis and her staff closed the office made the half-hour trip from Morehead to Ashland. I question why a Federal Court. Should be a state issue. Perhaps state law hasn't caught up with the Supreme Court, such as in this case: http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/l...marria/323201/ -- Ban idiots, not guns! I saw the video, they were just out looking to offend and put someone in jail for their own amusement. Intolerance is after all the core of the gay rights movement.. I noticed that the news did not show any pictures of the straight couples who could not get a license there. I suppose they just drove 15 miles down the road to the next county seat. Because the clerk in their county refused to do her job, and keep her damned religion out of it. So you admit this was just a political protest, not an actual hardship. I still say that as long as she did not issue any marriage licenses at all, she may have a case, for whatever the motive might be. Folks who can't or won't follow orders have the options of being fired, filing a grievance or quitting. Why is the court sticking its nose into it? The employer and the employee should resolve the situation without the gubmints interference. |
Update on Clerk Kim Davis
On 9/3/15 8:42 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 19:53:00 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 9/3/15 7:16 PM, wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 17:25:44 -0400, "Just wait a frekin' minute!" wrote: John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 13:38:13 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: Kim Davis, the defiant Kentucky county clerk, was found in contempt of court and taken into federal custody. U.S. District Court Judge David Bunning ordered Davis, the Rowan County clerk, to be jailed on the contempt charges until she agrees to comply with multiple court orders to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples. The judge ordered her held indefinitely because he did not believe fines would be enough to compel her to follow the law. Her office refused to issue a marriage license to a same-sex couple as recently as Thursday morning, before Davis and her staff closed the office made the half-hour trip from Morehead to Ashland. I question why a Federal Court. Should be a state issue. Perhaps state law hasn't caught up with the Supreme Court, such as in this case: http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/l...marria/323201/ -- Ban idiots, not guns! I saw the video, they were just out looking to offend and put someone in jail for their own amusement. Intolerance is after all the core of the gay rights movement.. I noticed that the news did not show any pictures of the straight couples who could not get a license there. I suppose they just drove 15 miles down the road to the next county seat. Because the clerk in their county refused to do her job, and keep her damned religion out of it. So you admit this was just a political protest, not an actual hardship. I still say that as long as she did not issue any marriage licenses at all, she may have a case, for whatever the motive might be. I'm not admitting anything of the sort. What is the matter with your processing? |
Update on Clerk Kim Davis
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 21:14:21 -0400, Justan Olphart
wrote: On 9/3/2015 8:42 PM, wrote: So you admit this was just a political protest, not an actual hardship. I still say that as long as she did not issue any marriage licenses at all, she may have a case, for whatever the motive might be. Folks who can't or won't follow orders have the options of being fired, filing a grievance or quitting. Why is the court sticking its nose into it? The employer and the employee should resolve the situation without the gubmints interference. Ms Davis is not an employee, she is an elected official. They can't fire her and they have little to say about what she does. She can only be sued, arrested or impeached. They went with arrested because everything would take months or even years.. |
Update on Clerk Kim Davis
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 21:34:04 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 9/3/15 8:42 PM, wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 19:53:00 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: I noticed that the news did not show any pictures of the straight couples who could not get a license there. I suppose they just drove 15 miles down the road to the next county seat. Because the clerk in their county refused to do her job, and keep her damned religion out of it. So you admit this was just a political protest, not an actual hardship. I still say that as long as she did not issue any marriage licenses at all, she may have a case, for whatever the motive might be. I'm not admitting anything of the sort. What is the matter with your processing? Maybe if your answers were more responsive, it would make more sense. This was clearly a political protest because there were no straight couples protesting and they were locked out too. They arranged cameras to be there when a gay couple came up to the counter in a clearly staged event. If this is what you are referring to my statement is clearly relevant. BTW I would not be shocked if this couple never got married. It is like the handicapped, would be, stripper who forced the case of a wheelchair accessible titty bar stage. Once they put it in, she never came back Not one time,. There are just some professional protesters. I guess it is a living |
Update on Clerk Kim Davis
On 9/3/15 10:50 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 21:14:21 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote: On 9/3/2015 8:42 PM, wrote: So you admit this was just a political protest, not an actual hardship. I still say that as long as she did not issue any marriage licenses at all, she may have a case, for whatever the motive might be. Folks who can't or won't follow orders have the options of being fired, filing a grievance or quitting. Why is the court sticking its nose into it? The employer and the employee should resolve the situation without the gubmints interference. Ms Davis is not an employee, she is an elected official. They can't fire her and they have little to say about what she does. She can only be sued, arrested or impeached. They went with arrested because everything would take months or even years.. The judge jailed her because he assumed the right-wing bigots who support her lack of action would simply pay her fine. If she can't do the job she was elected to do, she should simply resign. |
Update on Clerk Kim Davis
On 9/3/15 10:59 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 21:34:04 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 9/3/15 8:42 PM, wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 19:53:00 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: I noticed that the news did not show any pictures of the straight couples who could not get a license there. I suppose they just drove 15 miles down the road to the next county seat. Because the clerk in their county refused to do her job, and keep her damned religion out of it. So you admit this was just a political protest, not an actual hardship. I still say that as long as she did not issue any marriage licenses at all, she may have a case, for whatever the motive might be. I'm not admitting anything of the sort. What is the matter with your processing? Maybe if your answers were more responsive, it would make more sense. This was clearly a political protest because there were no straight couples protesting and they were locked out too. They arranged cameras to be there when a gay couple came up to the counter in a clearly staged event. If this is what you are referring to my statement is clearly relevant. BTW I would not be shocked if this couple never got married. It is like the handicapped, would be, stripper who forced the case of a wheelchair accessible titty bar stage. Once they put it in, she never came back Not one time,. There are just some professional protesters. I guess it is a living I have no knowledge of whether it was "clearly a political protest" and neither do you. Davis was elected to do the job of the clerk, which includes issuing marriage licenses. If she has some moronic religious reason preventing her from doing that, she should resign. This is not a country in which the christian taliban rule, and while she is entitled to believe whatever she wants, she cannot use those beliefs to determine whether she will issue marriage licenses. She was found in contempt of court. |
Update on Clerk Kim Davis
On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 09:29:57 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 9/3/15 10:59 PM, wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 21:34:04 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 9/3/15 8:42 PM, wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 19:53:00 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: I noticed that the news did not show any pictures of the straight couples who could not get a license there. I suppose they just drove 15 miles down the road to the next county seat. Because the clerk in their county refused to do her job, and keep her damned religion out of it. So you admit this was just a political protest, not an actual hardship. I still say that as long as she did not issue any marriage licenses at all, she may have a case, for whatever the motive might be. I'm not admitting anything of the sort. What is the matter with your processing? Maybe if your answers were more responsive, it would make more sense. This was clearly a political protest because there were no straight couples protesting and they were locked out too. They arranged cameras to be there when a gay couple came up to the counter in a clearly staged event. If this is what you are referring to my statement is clearly relevant. BTW I would not be shocked if this couple never got married. It is like the handicapped, would be, stripper who forced the case of a wheelchair accessible titty bar stage. Once they put it in, she never came back Not one time,. There are just some professional protesters. I guess it is a living I have no knowledge of whether it was "clearly a political protest" and neither do you. Davis was elected to do the job of the clerk, which includes issuing marriage licenses. If she has some moronic religious reason preventing her from doing that, she should resign. This is not a country in which the christian taliban rule, and while she is entitled to believe whatever she wants, she cannot use those beliefs to determine whether she will issue marriage licenses. She was found in contempt of court. Bull**** Who arranged to have the TV station there? It is very possible that there may not be any marriage licenses at all in Kentucky since the law that defines the way they are issued has been ruled unconstitutional. There is no federal law that defines the marriage process either. |
Update on Clerk Kim Davis
On 9/4/2015 11:22 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 09:29:57 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 9/3/15 10:59 PM, wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 21:34:04 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 9/3/15 8:42 PM, wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 19:53:00 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: I noticed that the news did not show any pictures of the straight couples who could not get a license there. I suppose they just drove 15 miles down the road to the next county seat. Because the clerk in their county refused to do her job, and keep her damned religion out of it. So you admit this was just a political protest, not an actual hardship. I still say that as long as she did not issue any marriage licenses at all, she may have a case, for whatever the motive might be. I'm not admitting anything of the sort. What is the matter with your processing? Maybe if your answers were more responsive, it would make more sense. This was clearly a political protest because there were no straight couples protesting and they were locked out too. They arranged cameras to be there when a gay couple came up to the counter in a clearly staged event. If this is what you are referring to my statement is clearly relevant. BTW I would not be shocked if this couple never got married. It is like the handicapped, would be, stripper who forced the case of a wheelchair accessible titty bar stage. Once they put it in, she never came back Not one time,. There are just some professional protesters. I guess it is a living I have no knowledge of whether it was "clearly a political protest" and neither do you. Davis was elected to do the job of the clerk, which includes issuing marriage licenses. If she has some moronic religious reason preventing her from doing that, she should resign. This is not a country in which the christian taliban rule, and while she is entitled to believe whatever she wants, she cannot use those beliefs to determine whether she will issue marriage licenses. She was found in contempt of court. Bull**** Who arranged to have the TV station there? It is very possible that there may not be any marriage licenses at all in Kentucky since the law that defines the way they are issued has been ruled unconstitutional. There is no federal law that defines the marriage process either. Setting aside views on same sex marriages, this is an interesting situation from a legal point of view, which I am sure her attorney is well aware. It seems to me that a federal judge's only authority would be to ensure that *if* marriage licenses are issued by a state or community that no discrimination takes place. If *no* licenses are being issued (as in this case) a federal judge can't *force* them to be issued. Last I heard, there are several assistants in her department willing to issue the licenses, so this has become nothing more than a political show. |
Update on Clerk Kim Davis
On 9/4/15 11:22 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 09:29:57 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 9/3/15 10:59 PM, wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 21:34:04 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 9/3/15 8:42 PM, wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 19:53:00 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: I noticed that the news did not show any pictures of the straight couples who could not get a license there. I suppose they just drove 15 miles down the road to the next county seat. Because the clerk in their county refused to do her job, and keep her damned religion out of it. So you admit this was just a political protest, not an actual hardship. I still say that as long as she did not issue any marriage licenses at all, she may have a case, for whatever the motive might be. I'm not admitting anything of the sort. What is the matter with your processing? Maybe if your answers were more responsive, it would make more sense. This was clearly a political protest because there were no straight couples protesting and they were locked out too. They arranged cameras to be there when a gay couple came up to the counter in a clearly staged event. If this is what you are referring to my statement is clearly relevant. BTW I would not be shocked if this couple never got married. It is like the handicapped, would be, stripper who forced the case of a wheelchair accessible titty bar stage. Once they put it in, she never came back Not one time,. There are just some professional protesters. I guess it is a living I have no knowledge of whether it was "clearly a political protest" and neither do you. Davis was elected to do the job of the clerk, which includes issuing marriage licenses. If she has some moronic religious reason preventing her from doing that, she should resign. This is not a country in which the christian taliban rule, and while she is entitled to believe whatever she wants, she cannot use those beliefs to determine whether she will issue marriage licenses. She was found in contempt of court. Bull**** Who arranged to have the TV station there? It is very possible that there may not be any marriage licenses at all in Kentucky since the law that defines the way they are issued has been ruled unconstitutional. There is no federal law that defines the marriage process either. I think I'll defer to the jurisdiction of the federal judge in this matter, even though you think you know more about the issues and laws than he does. |
Update on Clerk Kim Davis
On 9/4/15 11:51 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/4/2015 11:22 AM, wrote: On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 09:29:57 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 9/3/15 10:59 PM, wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 21:34:04 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 9/3/15 8:42 PM, wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 19:53:00 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: I noticed that the news did not show any pictures of the straight couples who could not get a license there. I suppose they just drove 15 miles down the road to the next county seat. Because the clerk in their county refused to do her job, and keep her damned religion out of it. So you admit this was just a political protest, not an actual hardship. I still say that as long as she did not issue any marriage licenses at all, she may have a case, for whatever the motive might be. I'm not admitting anything of the sort. What is the matter with your processing? Maybe if your answers were more responsive, it would make more sense. This was clearly a political protest because there were no straight couples protesting and they were locked out too. They arranged cameras to be there when a gay couple came up to the counter in a clearly staged event. If this is what you are referring to my statement is clearly relevant. BTW I would not be shocked if this couple never got married. It is like the handicapped, would be, stripper who forced the case of a wheelchair accessible titty bar stage. Once they put it in, she never came back Not one time,. There are just some professional protesters. I guess it is a living I have no knowledge of whether it was "clearly a political protest" and neither do you. Davis was elected to do the job of the clerk, which includes issuing marriage licenses. If she has some moronic religious reason preventing her from doing that, she should resign. This is not a country in which the christian taliban rule, and while she is entitled to believe whatever she wants, she cannot use those beliefs to determine whether she will issue marriage licenses. She was found in contempt of court. Bull**** Who arranged to have the TV station there? It is very possible that there may not be any marriage licenses at all in Kentucky since the law that defines the way they are issued has been ruled unconstitutional. There is no federal law that defines the marriage process either. Setting aside views on same sex marriages, this is an interesting situation from a legal point of view, which I am sure her attorney is well aware. It seems to me that a federal judge's only authority would be to ensure that *if* marriage licenses are issued by a state or community that no discrimination takes place. If *no* licenses are being issued (as in this case) a federal judge can't *force* them to be issued. Last I heard, there are several assistants in her department willing to issue the licenses, so this has become nothing more than a political show. Actually, it was an attempt by a christian ayatollah wannabe to exert the "authority" of her religious beliefs over civil law. That's really *not* the way it is supposed to be done in this country, yet. If you want religious law imposed over civil matters, there's always Iran and Afghanistan. |
Update on Clerk Kim Davis
On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 11:51:49 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 9/4/2015 11:22 AM, wrote: On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 09:29:57 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 9/3/15 10:59 PM, wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 21:34:04 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 9/3/15 8:42 PM, wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 19:53:00 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: I noticed that the news did not show any pictures of the straight couples who could not get a license there. I suppose they just drove 15 miles down the road to the next county seat. Because the clerk in their county refused to do her job, and keep her damned religion out of it. So you admit this was just a political protest, not an actual hardship. I still say that as long as she did not issue any marriage licenses at all, she may have a case, for whatever the motive might be. I'm not admitting anything of the sort. What is the matter with your processing? Maybe if your answers were more responsive, it would make more sense. This was clearly a political protest because there were no straight couples protesting and they were locked out too. They arranged cameras to be there when a gay couple came up to the counter in a clearly staged event. If this is what you are referring to my statement is clearly relevant. BTW I would not be shocked if this couple never got married. It is like the handicapped, would be, stripper who forced the case of a wheelchair accessible titty bar stage. Once they put it in, she never came back Not one time,. There are just some professional protesters. I guess it is a living I have no knowledge of whether it was "clearly a political protest" and neither do you. Davis was elected to do the job of the clerk, which includes issuing marriage licenses. If she has some moronic religious reason preventing her from doing that, she should resign. This is not a country in which the christian taliban rule, and while she is entitled to believe whatever she wants, she cannot use those beliefs to determine whether she will issue marriage licenses. She was found in contempt of court. Bull**** Who arranged to have the TV station there? It is very possible that there may not be any marriage licenses at all in Kentucky since the law that defines the way they are issued has been ruled unconstitutional. There is no federal law that defines the marriage process either. Setting aside views on same sex marriages, this is an interesting situation from a legal point of view, which I am sure her attorney is well aware. It seems to me that a federal judge's only authority would be to ensure that *if* marriage licenses are issued by a state or community that no discrimination takes place. If *no* licenses are being issued (as in this case) a federal judge can't *force* them to be issued. Last I heard, there are several assistants in her department willing to issue the licenses, so this has become nothing more than a political show. Exactly. If the clerk did not want to be a religious martyr she could simply say the courts have thrown out the law regulating marriage licenses and she is powerless to issue one without action from the legislature defining the process.. OTOH the next county seat over is 15 miles away. It is clear that both sides are simply protesting. I am sure the gay couple would have been happy to get arrested if this went the other way. They were clearly taunting her on camera and pretty much daring her to call in the deputy.who was standing there. Kubuki theater at it's finest. |
Update on Clerk Kim Davis
On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 12:19:28 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:
Actually, it was an attempt by a christian ayatollah wannabe to exert the "authority" of her religious beliefs over civil law. That's really *not* the way it is supposed to be done in this country, yet. If you want religious law imposed over civil matters, there's always Iran and Afghanistan. You are right in a way It would have been just as easy for her to say she was simply hog tied by the court when they threw out the law that regulates licenses and she is waiting for guidance from the legislature before she can start issuing licenses again. Both sides were simply trying to advance an agenda. It does bring up an interesting point. What is the federal standard for what actually constitutes marriage? It is totally a state issue and the states could have totally different standards. This is even more confusing since they have thrown DOMA (1 U.S. Code § 7) out. Basically if a state says you are "married", all of the other states (and the feds) must recognize that and what that actually means is up to the state. If the state statute is invalid, is anyone in that state still married? Can anyone get married? Maybe not. It is an interesting legal conundrum. |
Update on Clerk Kim Davis
On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 12:17:37 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 9/4/15 11:22 AM, wrote: On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 09:29:57 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 9/3/15 10:59 PM, wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 21:34:04 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 9/3/15 8:42 PM, wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 19:53:00 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: I noticed that the news did not show any pictures of the straight couples who could not get a license there. I suppose they just drove 15 miles down the road to the next county seat. Because the clerk in their county refused to do her job, and keep her damned religion out of it. So you admit this was just a political protest, not an actual hardship. I still say that as long as she did not issue any marriage licenses at all, she may have a case, for whatever the motive might be. I'm not admitting anything of the sort. What is the matter with your processing? Maybe if your answers were more responsive, it would make more sense. This was clearly a political protest because there were no straight couples protesting and they were locked out too. They arranged cameras to be there when a gay couple came up to the counter in a clearly staged event. If this is what you are referring to my statement is clearly relevant. BTW I would not be shocked if this couple never got married. It is like the handicapped, would be, stripper who forced the case of a wheelchair accessible titty bar stage. Once they put it in, she never came back Not one time,. There are just some professional protesters. I guess it is a living I have no knowledge of whether it was "clearly a political protest" and neither do you. Davis was elected to do the job of the clerk, which includes issuing marriage licenses. If she has some moronic religious reason preventing her from doing that, she should resign. This is not a country in which the christian taliban rule, and while she is entitled to believe whatever she wants, she cannot use those beliefs to determine whether she will issue marriage licenses. She was found in contempt of court. Bull**** Who arranged to have the TV station there? It is very possible that there may not be any marriage licenses at all in Kentucky since the law that defines the way they are issued has been ruled unconstitutional. There is no federal law that defines the marriage process either. I think I'll defer to the jurisdiction of the federal judge in this matter, even though you think you know more about the issues and laws than he does. Who arranged to have the TV station there, Krause? Which general was that again? You know, the one in an unnamed organization collecting bodies of soldiers left behind by their units. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
Update on Clerk Kim Davis
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Update on Clerk Kim Davis
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 9/4/15 11:22 AM, wrote: On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 09:29:57 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 9/3/15 10:59 PM, wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 21:34:04 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 9/3/15 8:42 PM, wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 19:53:00 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: I noticed that the news did not show any pictures of the straight couples who could not get a license there. I suppose they just drove 15 miles down the road to the next county seat. Because the clerk in their county refused to do her job, and keep her damned religion out of it. So you admit this was just a political protest, not an actual hardship. I still say that as long as she did not issue any marriage licenses at all, she may have a case, for whatever the motive might be. I'm not admitting anything of the sort. What is the matter with your processing? Maybe if your answers were more responsive, it would make more sense. This was clearly a political protest because there were no straight couples protesting and they were locked out too. They arranged cameras to be there when a gay couple came up to the counter in a clearly staged event. If this is what you are referring to my statement is clearly relevant. BTW I would not be shocked if this couple never got married. It is like the handicapped, would be, stripper who forced the case of a wheelchair accessible titty bar stage. Once they put it in, she never came back Not one time,. There are just some professional protesters. I guess it is a living I have no knowledge of whether it was "clearly a political protest" and neither do you. Davis was elected to do the job of the clerk, which includes issuing marriage licenses. If she has some moronic religious reason preventing her from doing that, she should resign. This is not a country in which the christian taliban rule, and while she is entitled to believe whatever she wants, she cannot use those beliefs to determine whether she will issue marriage licenses. She was found in contempt of court. Bull**** Who arranged to have the TV station there? It is very possible that there may not be any marriage licenses at all in Kentucky since the law that defines the way they are issued has been ruled unconstitutional. There is no federal law that defines the marriage process either. I think I'll defer to the jurisdiction of the federal judge in this matter, even though you think you know more about the issues and laws than he does. Federal judges have overstepped their jurisdiction before. |
Update on Clerk Kim Davis
On 9/4/15 1:36 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote: On 9/4/15 11:22 AM, wrote: On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 09:29:57 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 9/3/15 10:59 PM, wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 21:34:04 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 9/3/15 8:42 PM, wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 19:53:00 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: I noticed that the news did not show any pictures of the straight couples who could not get a license there. I suppose they just drove 15 miles down the road to the next county seat. Because the clerk in their county refused to do her job, and keep her damned religion out of it. So you admit this was just a political protest, not an actual hardship. I still say that as long as she did not issue any marriage licenses at all, she may have a case, for whatever the motive might be. I'm not admitting anything of the sort. What is the matter with your processing? Maybe if your answers were more responsive, it would make more sense. This was clearly a political protest because there were no straight couples protesting and they were locked out too. They arranged cameras to be there when a gay couple came up to the counter in a clearly staged event. If this is what you are referring to my statement is clearly relevant. BTW I would not be shocked if this couple never got married. It is like the handicapped, would be, stripper who forced the case of a wheelchair accessible titty bar stage. Once they put it in, she never came back Not one time,. There are just some professional protesters. I guess it is a living I have no knowledge of whether it was "clearly a political protest" and neither do you. Davis was elected to do the job of the clerk, which includes issuing marriage licenses. If she has some moronic religious reason preventing her from doing that, she should resign. This is not a country in which the christian taliban rule, and while she is entitled to believe whatever she wants, she cannot use those beliefs to determine whether she will issue marriage licenses. She was found in contempt of court. Bull**** Who arranged to have the TV station there? It is very possible that there may not be any marriage licenses at all in Kentucky since the law that defines the way they are issued has been ruled unconstitutional. There is no federal law that defines the marriage process either. I think I'll defer to the jurisdiction of the federal judge in this matter, even though you think you know more about the issues and laws than he does. Federal judges have overstepped their jurisdiction before. So you think a civil official ought to be able to use his or her superstitious religious beliefs to make office policy, eh? |
Update on Clerk Kim Davis
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 9/4/15 1:36 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 9/4/15 11:22 AM, wrote: On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 09:29:57 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 9/3/15 10:59 PM, wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 21:34:04 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 9/3/15 8:42 PM, wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 19:53:00 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: I noticed that the news did not show any pictures of the straight couples who could not get a license there. I suppose they just drove 15 miles down the road to the next county seat. Because the clerk in their county refused to do her job, and keep her damned religion out of it. So you admit this was just a political protest, not an actual hardship. I still say that as long as she did not issue any marriage licenses at all, she may have a case, for whatever the motive might be. I'm not admitting anything of the sort. What is the matter with your processing? Maybe if your answers were more responsive, it would make more sense. This was clearly a political protest because there were no straight couples protesting and they were locked out too. They arranged cameras to be there when a gay couple came up to the counter in a clearly staged event. If this is what you are referring to my statement is clearly relevant. BTW I would not be shocked if this couple never got married. It is like the handicapped, would be, stripper who forced the case of a wheelchair accessible titty bar stage. Once they put it in, she never came back Not one time,. There are just some professional protesters. I guess it is a living I have no knowledge of whether it was "clearly a political protest" and neither do you. Davis was elected to do the job of the clerk, which includes issuing marriage licenses. If she has some moronic religious reason preventing her from doing that, she should resign. This is not a country in which the christian taliban rule, and while she is entitled to believe whatever she wants, she cannot use those beliefs to determine whether she will issue marriage licenses. She was found in contempt of court. Bull**** Who arranged to have the TV station there? It is very possible that there may not be any marriage licenses at all in Kentucky since the law that defines the way they are issued has been ruled unconstitutional. There is no federal law that defines the marriage process either. I think I'll defer to the jurisdiction of the federal judge in this matter, even though you think you know more about the issues and laws than he does. Federal judges have overstepped their jurisdiction before. So you think a civil official ought to be able to use his or her superstitious religious beliefs to make office policy, eh? Nope, but I also think it is a state offense and problem, not Federal. I still support States Rights, like the founding fathers did. |
Update on Clerk Kim Davis
On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 13:11:06 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 9/4/15 1:03 PM, wrote: On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 12:19:28 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: Actually, it was an attempt by a christian ayatollah wannabe to exert the "authority" of her religious beliefs over civil law. That's really *not* the way it is supposed to be done in this country, yet. If you want religious law imposed over civil matters, there's always Iran and Afghanistan. You are right in a way It would have been just as easy for her to say she was simply hog tied by the court when they threw out the law that regulates licenses and she is waiting for guidance from the legislature before she can start issuing licenses again. Both sides were simply trying to advance an agenda. It does bring up an interesting point. What is the federal standard for what actually constitutes marriage? It is totally a state issue and the states could have totally different standards. This is even more confusing since they have thrown DOMA (1 U.S. Code § 7) out. Basically if a state says you are "married", all of the other states (and the feds) must recognize that and what that actually means is up to the state. If the state statute is invalid, is anyone in that state still married? Can anyone get married? Maybe not. It is an interesting legal conundrum. I don't think it is all that complex, nor do I think your libertarian solution works here. It is as complex as any ambulance chasing lawyer wants to make it. The fact is, the SCOTUS has invalidated the only federal law defining marriage and now this court has invalidated the Kentucky statute, along with those in many other states. (man/wonan is so entwined in the language that it is hard to separate without legislation) The only reason this has become a religious mater is because Ms Davis wanted it to be. She did stop issuing ANY marriage licenses and she was legally on sound footing if she chose to go that way |
Update on Clerk Kim Davis
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Update on Clerk Kim Davis
On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 13:44:52 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:
So you think a civil official ought to be able to use his or her superstitious religious beliefs to make office policy, eh? I agree with you there. It would have been better if she just said the law was overturned and now she was waiting for legislation to fix it. The result is the same, no marriage licenses. |
Update on Clerk Kim Davis
On 9/4/15 2:01 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote: On 9/4/15 1:36 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 9/4/15 11:22 AM, wrote: On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 09:29:57 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 9/3/15 10:59 PM, wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 21:34:04 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 9/3/15 8:42 PM, wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 19:53:00 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: I noticed that the news did not show any pictures of the straight couples who could not get a license there. I suppose they just drove 15 miles down the road to the next county seat. Because the clerk in their county refused to do her job, and keep her damned religion out of it. So you admit this was just a political protest, not an actual hardship. I still say that as long as she did not issue any marriage licenses at all, she may have a case, for whatever the motive might be. I'm not admitting anything of the sort. What is the matter with your processing? Maybe if your answers were more responsive, it would make more sense. This was clearly a political protest because there were no straight couples protesting and they were locked out too. They arranged cameras to be there when a gay couple came up to the counter in a clearly staged event. If this is what you are referring to my statement is clearly relevant. BTW I would not be shocked if this couple never got married. It is like the handicapped, would be, stripper who forced the case of a wheelchair accessible titty bar stage. Once they put it in, she never came back Not one time,. There are just some professional protesters. I guess it is a living I have no knowledge of whether it was "clearly a political protest" and neither do you. Davis was elected to do the job of the clerk, which includes issuing marriage licenses. If she has some moronic religious reason preventing her from doing that, she should resign. This is not a country in which the christian taliban rule, and while she is entitled to believe whatever she wants, she cannot use those beliefs to determine whether she will issue marriage licenses. She was found in contempt of court. Bull**** Who arranged to have the TV station there? It is very possible that there may not be any marriage licenses at all in Kentucky since the law that defines the way they are issued has been ruled unconstitutional. There is no federal law that defines the marriage process either. I think I'll defer to the jurisdiction of the federal judge in this matter, even though you think you know more about the issues and laws than he does. Federal judges have overstepped their jurisdiction before. So you think a civil official ought to be able to use his or her superstitious religious beliefs to make office policy, eh? Nope, but I also think it is a state offense and problem, not Federal. I still support States Rights, like the founding fathers did. You might want to read the Equal Protection Clause in the 14th Amendment, among other documents. The only humor I find in this is the clerk's marriage and pregnancy history. It's quite colorful and demonstrates her hypocrisy about her alleged religious beliefs. |
Update on Clerk Kim Davis
On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 14:40:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 13:03:16 -0400, wrote: It does bring up an interesting point. What is the federal standard for what actually constitutes marriage? It is totally a state issue and the states could have totally different standards. === I'm sure that's what the founding fathers expected. The states had power over almost everything in those days and that's the way they wanted it. The Federal government was needed for national defense, matters related to interstate commerce, and protection of constitutional rights. Unfortunately in Marbury v Madison the SCOTUS gave itself the power to legislate from the bench so 535 congressmen, 50 state legislatures and the White House can be trumped by 5 old farts in robes. There is nobody who can over rule them. Jackson may have been the only president to challenge them but in Worcester, there was really nothing to enforce. |
Update on Clerk Kim Davis
On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 15:28:24 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:
You might want to read the Equal Protection Clause in the 14th Amendment, among other documents. It is interesting that the left is not willing to extend the full faith and credit of concealed carry rights across state lines. The only humor I find in this is the clerk's marriage and pregnancy history. It's quite colorful and demonstrates her hypocrisy about her alleged religious beliefs. That was before she was "saved" ;-) |
Update on Clerk Kim Davis
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Update on Clerk Kim Davis
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Update on Clerk Kim Davis
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 9/4/15 3:56 PM, wrote: On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 15:28:24 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: You might want to read the Equal Protection Clause in the 14th Amendment, among other documents. It is interesting that the left is not willing to extend the full faith and credit of concealed carry rights across state lines. Oh? Is there a federal regulation that allows concealed carry rights across state lines? 14th. If marriage laws apply across state lines, why nor concealed carry? |
Update on Clerk Kim Davis
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 9/4/15 2:01 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 9/4/15 1:36 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 9/4/15 11:22 AM, wrote: On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 09:29:57 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 9/3/15 10:59 PM, wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 21:34:04 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 9/3/15 8:42 PM, wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 19:53:00 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: I noticed that the news did not show any pictures of the straight couples who could not get a license there. I suppose they just drove 15 miles down the road to the next county seat. Because the clerk in their county refused to do her job, and keep her damned religion out of it. So you admit this was just a political protest, not an actual hardship. I still say that as long as she did not issue any marriage licenses at all, she may have a case, for whatever the motive might be. I'm not admitting anything of the sort. What is the matter with your processing? Maybe if your answers were more responsive, it would make more sense. This was clearly a political protest because there were no straight couples protesting and they were locked out too. They arranged cameras to be there when a gay couple came up to the counter in a clearly staged event. If this is what you are referring to my statement is clearly relevant. BTW I would not be shocked if this couple never got married. It is like the handicapped, would be, stripper who forced the case of a wheelchair accessible titty bar stage. Once they put it in, she never came back Not one time,. There are just some professional protesters. I guess it is a living I have no knowledge of whether it was "clearly a political protest" and neither do you. Davis was elected to do the job of the clerk, which includes issuing marriage licenses. If she has some moronic religious reason preventing her from doing that, she should resign. This is not a country in which the christian taliban rule, and while she is entitled to believe whatever she wants, she cannot use those beliefs to determine whether she will issue marriage licenses. She was found in contempt of court. Bull**** Who arranged to have the TV station there? It is very possible that there may not be any marriage licenses at all in Kentucky since the law that defines the way they are issued has been ruled unconstitutional. There is no federal law that defines the marriage process either. I think I'll defer to the jurisdiction of the federal judge in this matter, even though you think you know more about the issues and laws than he does. Federal judges have overstepped their jurisdiction before. So you think a civil official ought to be able to use his or her superstitious religious beliefs to make office policy, eh? Nope, but I also think it is a state offense and problem, not Federal. I still support States Rights, like the founding fathers did. You might want to read the Equal Protection Clause in the 14th Amendment, among other documents. The only humor I find in this is the clerk's marriage and pregnancy history. It's quite colorful and demonstrates her hypocrisy about her alleged religious beliefs. Conflicting laws. Where in the 14th does it fit? |
Update on Clerk Kim Davis
On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 16:04:26 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 9/4/15 3:56 PM, wrote: On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 15:28:24 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: You might want to read the Equal Protection Clause in the 14th Amendment, among other documents. It is interesting that the left is not willing to extend the full faith and credit of concealed carry rights across state lines. The only humor I find in this is the clerk's marriage and pregnancy history. It's quite colorful and demonstrates her hypocrisy about her alleged religious beliefs. That was before she was "saved" ;-) That's one of the funniest things about christianity...marry four times, have babies by a guy you are not married to at the time, but you marry later, maybe, while you are still married to a different guy and...voila, find Jesus and you are "saved." Heck, different circumstances, but I'll bet Dick Cheney can be saved, too. :) She'd have been much better off as a beheaded Muslim, no? -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
Update on Clerk Kim Davis
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Update on Clerk Kim Davis
On 9/4/2015 4:49 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article qtljuadp2f0gp99jikqfe58pa3iprpngbo@ 4ax.com, says... It is as complex as any ambulance chasing lawyer wants to make it. The fact is, the SCOTUS has invalidated the only federal law defining marriage and now this court has invalidated the Kentucky statute, along with those in many other states. (man/wonan is so entwined in the language that it is hard to separate without legislation) The only reason this has become a religious mater is because Ms Davis wanted it to be. She did stop issuing ANY marriage licenses and she was legally on sound footing if she chose to go that way Legally sound? She's in jail. The only "political" part is coming from her. My wife and I lived in a rented apartment in Zion, Ill. for almost two years in the early 70's. Zion was founded around 1905 by a very religious guy who wanted to create a "Christian Utopia". No drinking, smoking ... the original city council didn't even allow a doctor to set up shop in the town because they believed in "divine healing". Even when we lived there the town was still dry. No booze or beer could be sold anywhere within the city limits. I suppose if then were now, a federal judge could come along and order the grocery stores to start carrying/selling beer and ordering the city council to approve permits to open liquor stores. |
Update on Clerk Kim Davis
In article o_KdnYh8h68cl3fInZ2dnUU7-
, says... I suppose if then were now, a federal judge could come along and order the grocery stores to start carrying/selling beer and ordering the city council to approve permits to open liquor stores. By the same token, the Feds may make sales of bologna permissible only on Tuesdays. But they won't, because neither beer or bologna sales falls within the ambit of "civil rights." You are free to make a case for them, however. |
Update on Clerk Kim Davis
On 9/4/2015 2:01 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote: On 9/4/15 1:36 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 9/4/15 11:22 AM, wrote: On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 09:29:57 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 9/3/15 10:59 PM, wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 21:34:04 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 9/3/15 8:42 PM, wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 19:53:00 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: I noticed that the news did not show any pictures of the straight couples who could not get a license there. I suppose they just drove 15 miles down the road to the next county seat. Because the clerk in their county refused to do her job, and keep her damned religion out of it. So you admit this was just a political protest, not an actual hardship. I still say that as long as she did not issue any marriage licenses at all, she may have a case, for whatever the motive might be. I'm not admitting anything of the sort. What is the matter with your processing? Maybe if your answers were more responsive, it would make more sense. This was clearly a political protest because there were no straight couples protesting and they were locked out too. They arranged cameras to be there when a gay couple came up to the counter in a clearly staged event. If this is what you are referring to my statement is clearly relevant. BTW I would not be shocked if this couple never got married. It is like the handicapped, would be, stripper who forced the case of a wheelchair accessible titty bar stage. Once they put it in, she never came back Not one time,. There are just some professional protesters. I guess it is a living I have no knowledge of whether it was "clearly a political protest" and neither do you. Davis was elected to do the job of the clerk, which includes issuing marriage licenses. If she has some moronic religious reason preventing her from doing that, she should resign. This is not a country in which the christian taliban rule, and while she is entitled to believe whatever she wants, she cannot use those beliefs to determine whether she will issue marriage licenses. She was found in contempt of court. Bull**** Who arranged to have the TV station there? It is very possible that there may not be any marriage licenses at all in Kentucky since the law that defines the way they are issued has been ruled unconstitutional. There is no federal law that defines the marriage process either. I think I'll defer to the jurisdiction of the federal judge in this matter, even though you think you know more about the issues and laws than he does. Federal judges have overstepped their jurisdiction before. So you think a civil official ought to be able to use his or her superstitious religious beliefs to make office policy, eh? Nope, but I also think it is a state offense and problem, not Federal. I still support States Rights, like the founding fathers did. Doncha jes love how sheet fer brains KKKrause jumps to wrong conclusions pretty consistantly? |
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