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On Sun, 6 Sep 2015 09:50:18 -0400, Justan Olphart
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On 9/6/2015 1:49 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 15:22:02 -0400, Wayne.B
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On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 13:06:28 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 12:02:18 -0400, John H.
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On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 11:38:29 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 10:01:50 -0400, Wayne.B
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On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 09:35:34 -0400, John H.
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On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:39:31 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:02:45 -0400, John H.
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On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:20:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 11:29:18 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:36:24 -0400, Wayne.B
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It also looks like it would be a good short cut on
the way north to Newfoundland and Labrador.

Sounds "cold" ;-)
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Yah but...

...what I'd really like to do is cross to Europe by way of Greenland,
Iceland and Scotland. Crazy? Of course, and it will probably never
happen. A few weeks in Labrador might cure me with any luck, and I've
always wanted to cruise Nova Scotia. When you grow up in the lake
effect snow belt of upstate NY the ice never totally leaves your blood
stream.

:-)
I read a while back about a group crossing made by owners of some brand of boat that
I can't remember right now (Nordic Tug?). Perhaps there are brand or club group
crossings that you could latch onto?
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You're probably thinking about the Nordhavn Trans Atlantic Rally in
2004.

http://www.nordhavn.com/rally/voyage/welcome.htm

I followed that event closely and have corresponded with several of
the participants. We met one of them last summer up in the Chesapeake
and had dinner with them at Solomons. They say it will probably never
happen again, and if it does, it will start without them. That rally
took the southern route: Lauderdale to Bermuda, Bermuda to the Azores,
and Azores to Gibralter. They encountered some really nasty head seas
on the last leg to Gibralter and there were a number of boats that
developed mechanical problems.

Nordhavn's are quite a different boat than ours. They have a very
long fuel range, long enough to cross oceans without refueling. We do
not. On the other hand we have twin engines, more speed, and a lot of
other redundancy so there are offsetting factors to an extent.

The northern route that I'm thinking about has much shorter legs, the
longest being about 3 or 4 days, and well within our fuel range. The
advantage there is that you can get fairly reliable weather
information over 3 or 4 days. The disadvantage is that the water is
cold, there are ice hazzards, fog, and frequent weather changes.
Yup, that's the one I was thinking of. Didn't know what route they took.

If I were in your shoes, I'd sure be looking for some company along the way. It
sounds like it would be a great adventure. Actually, the year beating around Europe
is what I found really appealing.

You mentioned shipping the boat back. Could you ship it to Rotterdam? Or would it be
more cost effective to rent a boat in Europe to do some cruising?

Sounds like a great idea.
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It's entirely possible to ship the boat both ways and a fair number of
people do that. One of our local boats from this area has been in the
Med all summer, mostly in southern Spain and offshore islands. They
have professional crew and a large operating budget however. It costs
about $40K each way but saves a lot of fuel plus wear and tear on the
boat. There's something about making the crossing via Labrador,
Greenland and Iceland that appeals to my sense of adventure however.
Cruising around the Med sounds like fun. Just be careful on the South
and East sides.
If you cruised around all winter, you could hit the window on the way
back ... as long as the trip over was fun.
I'd want to fit in a trip to Rotterdam and then down the Rhein for a ways...maybe to
Basel.
Yup Europe by boat does sound like a very interesting trip. Sort of a
Viking cruise where you get to decide where you go and how long you
stay.

It does beg the question, how would the electrical shore tie work at
220v 50HZ.
You might need to buy a big assed transformer. I imagine most of the
motors would tolerate the 50 hz but you need to read the nameplate
rating.
That "transformer" might need to be a VFD. (lighter but more
expensive)
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All of my battery chargers are rated for 50/60 so that is not a
problem. What is an issue is 220 V non-center tapped. For that you
need an isolation transformer rated at 12 KVA/50 Hz. You can pick
them up on EBAY for a half reasonable price but you need to build a
weather proof enclosure and install some Euro style inlet connectors.
The isolation transformer also solves the GFI tripping issue which is
common on some Euro docks.
An isolation transformer should not trip the RCD, in fact it will
prevent the RDC from tripping on a fault.

If your charger has a 220v tap, it should work tho. (assuming they
want 120 now)

What is RDC?
A typo It is RCD. (Residual Current Detector)
This is what the rest of the world uses for GFCI type protection but
they are usually set for 30ma, not the 5 ma the US uses.
They are also typically in the main for the panel, not the branch
circuits.

This is a New Zealand panel. The blue handle is the RCD

So a fault would shut all power to your home? That's not good.

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