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Wayne, prop guy?
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On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 12:02:18 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 11:38:29 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 10:01:50 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 09:35:34 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:39:31 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:02:45 -0400, John H. wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:20:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 11:29:18 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:36:24 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: It also looks like it would be a good short cut on the way north to Newfoundland and Labrador. Sounds "cold" ;-) === Yah but... ...what I'd really like to do is cross to Europe by way of Greenland, Iceland and Scotland. Crazy? Of course, and it will probably never happen. A few weeks in Labrador might cure me with any luck, and I've always wanted to cruise Nova Scotia. When you grow up in the lake effect snow belt of upstate NY the ice never totally leaves your blood stream. :-) I read a while back about a group crossing made by owners of some brand of boat that I can't remember right now (Nordic Tug?). Perhaps there are brand or club group crossings that you could latch onto? === You're probably thinking about the Nordhavn Trans Atlantic Rally in 2004. http://www.nordhavn.com/rally/voyage/welcome.htm I followed that event closely and have corresponded with several of the participants. We met one of them last summer up in the Chesapeake and had dinner with them at Solomons. They say it will probably never happen again, and if it does, it will start without them. That rally took the southern route: Lauderdale to Bermuda, Bermuda to the Azores, and Azores to Gibralter. They encountered some really nasty head seas on the last leg to Gibralter and there were a number of boats that developed mechanical problems. Nordhavn's are quite a different boat than ours. They have a very long fuel range, long enough to cross oceans without refueling. We do not. On the other hand we have twin engines, more speed, and a lot of other redundancy so there are offsetting factors to an extent. The northern route that I'm thinking about has much shorter legs, the longest being about 3 or 4 days, and well within our fuel range. The advantage there is that you can get fairly reliable weather information over 3 or 4 days. The disadvantage is that the water is cold, there are ice hazzards, fog, and frequent weather changes. Yup, that's the one I was thinking of. Didn't know what route they took. If I were in your shoes, I'd sure be looking for some company along the way. It sounds like it would be a great adventure. Actually, the year beating around Europe is what I found really appealing. You mentioned shipping the boat back. Could you ship it to Rotterdam? Or would it be more cost effective to rent a boat in Europe to do some cruising? Sounds like a great idea. === It's entirely possible to ship the boat both ways and a fair number of people do that. One of our local boats from this area has been in the Med all summer, mostly in southern Spain and offshore islands. They have professional crew and a large operating budget however. It costs about $40K each way but saves a lot of fuel plus wear and tear on the boat. There's something about making the crossing via Labrador, Greenland and Iceland that appeals to my sense of adventure however. Cruising around the Med sounds like fun. Just be careful on the South and East sides. If you cruised around all winter, you could hit the window on the way back ... as long as the trip over was fun. I'd want to fit in a trip to Rotterdam and then down the Rhein for a ways...maybe to Basel. Yup Europe by boat does sound like a very interesting trip. Sort of a Viking cruise where you get to decide where you go and how long you stay. It does beg the question, how would the electrical shore tie work at 220v 50HZ. You might need to buy a big assed transformer. I imagine most of the motors would tolerate the 50 hz but you need to read the nameplate rating. That "transformer" might need to be a VFD. (lighter but more expensive) Might be smaller to do as we did at one company to generate the 220-50. Had a motor driving an alternator. Was not real big and we were driving 300Mb CDC disk drives. |
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#33
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Wayne, prop guy?
On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 13:06:28 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 12:02:18 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 11:38:29 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 10:01:50 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 09:35:34 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:39:31 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:02:45 -0400, John H. wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:20:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 11:29:18 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:36:24 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: It also looks like it would be a good short cut on the way north to Newfoundland and Labrador. Sounds "cold" ;-) === Yah but... ...what I'd really like to do is cross to Europe by way of Greenland, Iceland and Scotland. Crazy? Of course, and it will probably never happen. A few weeks in Labrador might cure me with any luck, and I've always wanted to cruise Nova Scotia. When you grow up in the lake effect snow belt of upstate NY the ice never totally leaves your blood stream. :-) I read a while back about a group crossing made by owners of some brand of boat that I can't remember right now (Nordic Tug?). Perhaps there are brand or club group crossings that you could latch onto? === You're probably thinking about the Nordhavn Trans Atlantic Rally in 2004. http://www.nordhavn.com/rally/voyage/welcome.htm I followed that event closely and have corresponded with several of the participants. We met one of them last summer up in the Chesapeake and had dinner with them at Solomons. They say it will probably never happen again, and if it does, it will start without them. That rally took the southern route: Lauderdale to Bermuda, Bermuda to the Azores, and Azores to Gibralter. They encountered some really nasty head seas on the last leg to Gibralter and there were a number of boats that developed mechanical problems. Nordhavn's are quite a different boat than ours. They have a very long fuel range, long enough to cross oceans without refueling. We do not. On the other hand we have twin engines, more speed, and a lot of other redundancy so there are offsetting factors to an extent. The northern route that I'm thinking about has much shorter legs, the longest being about 3 or 4 days, and well within our fuel range. The advantage there is that you can get fairly reliable weather information over 3 or 4 days. The disadvantage is that the water is cold, there are ice hazzards, fog, and frequent weather changes. Yup, that's the one I was thinking of. Didn't know what route they took. If I were in your shoes, I'd sure be looking for some company along the way. It sounds like it would be a great adventure. Actually, the year beating around Europe is what I found really appealing. You mentioned shipping the boat back. Could you ship it to Rotterdam? Or would it be more cost effective to rent a boat in Europe to do some cruising? Sounds like a great idea. === It's entirely possible to ship the boat both ways and a fair number of people do that. One of our local boats from this area has been in the Med all summer, mostly in southern Spain and offshore islands. They have professional crew and a large operating budget however. It costs about $40K each way but saves a lot of fuel plus wear and tear on the boat. There's something about making the crossing via Labrador, Greenland and Iceland that appeals to my sense of adventure however. Cruising around the Med sounds like fun. Just be careful on the South and East sides. If you cruised around all winter, you could hit the window on the way back ... as long as the trip over was fun. I'd want to fit in a trip to Rotterdam and then down the Rhein for a ways...maybe to Basel. Yup Europe by boat does sound like a very interesting trip. Sort of a Viking cruise where you get to decide where you go and how long you stay. It does beg the question, how would the electrical shore tie work at 220v 50HZ. You might need to buy a big assed transformer. I imagine most of the motors would tolerate the 50 hz but you need to read the nameplate rating. That "transformer" might need to be a VFD. (lighter but more expensive) === All of my battery chargers are rated for 50/60 so that is not a problem. What is an issue is 220 V non-center tapped. For that you need an isolation transformer rated at 12 KVA/50 Hz. You can pick them up on EBAY for a half reasonable price but you need to build a weather proof enclosure and install some Euro style inlet connectors. The isolation transformer also solves the GFI tripping issue which is common on some Euro docks. |
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#34
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On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 12:07:44 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:
John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 11:38:29 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 10:01:50 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 09:35:34 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:39:31 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:02:45 -0400, John H. wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:20:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 11:29:18 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:36:24 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: It also looks like it would be a good short cut on the way north to Newfoundland and Labrador. Sounds "cold" ;-) === Yah but... ...what I'd really like to do is cross to Europe by way of Greenland, Iceland and Scotland. Crazy? Of course, and it will probably never happen. A few weeks in Labrador might cure me with any luck, and I've always wanted to cruise Nova Scotia. When you grow up in the lake effect snow belt of upstate NY the ice never totally leaves your blood stream. :-) I read a while back about a group crossing made by owners of some brand of boat that I can't remember right now (Nordic Tug?). Perhaps there are brand or club group crossings that you could latch onto? === You're probably thinking about the Nordhavn Trans Atlantic Rally in 2004. http://www.nordhavn.com/rally/voyage/welcome.htm I followed that event closely and have corresponded with several of the participants. We met one of them last summer up in the Chesapeake and had dinner with them at Solomons. They say it will probably never happen again, and if it does, it will start without them. That rally took the southern route: Lauderdale to Bermuda, Bermuda to the Azores, and Azores to Gibralter. They encountered some really nasty head seas on the last leg to Gibralter and there were a number of boats that developed mechanical problems. Nordhavn's are quite a different boat than ours. They have a very long fuel range, long enough to cross oceans without refueling. We do not. On the other hand we have twin engines, more speed, and a lot of other redundancy so there are offsetting factors to an extent. The northern route that I'm thinking about has much shorter legs, the longest being about 3 or 4 days, and well within our fuel range. The advantage there is that you can get fairly reliable weather information over 3 or 4 days. The disadvantage is that the water is cold, there are ice hazzards, fog, and frequent weather changes. Yup, that's the one I was thinking of. Didn't know what route they took. If I were in your shoes, I'd sure be looking for some company along the way. It sounds like it would be a great adventure. Actually, the year beating around Europe is what I found really appealing. You mentioned shipping the boat back. Could you ship it to Rotterdam? Or would it be more cost effective to rent a boat in Europe to do some cruising? Sounds like a great idea. === It's entirely possible to ship the boat both ways and a fair number of people do that. One of our local boats from this area has been in the Med all summer, mostly in southern Spain and offshore islands. They have professional crew and a large operating budget however. It costs about $40K each way but saves a lot of fuel plus wear and tear on the boat. There's something about making the crossing via Labrador, Greenland and Iceland that appeals to my sense of adventure however. Cruising around the Med sounds like fun. Just be careful on the South and East sides. If you cruised around all winter, you could hit the window on the way back ... as long as the trip over was fun. I'd want to fit in a trip to Rotterdam and then down the Rhein for a ways...maybe to Basel. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Might be cheaper to buy or lease a boat for a year. === You may be right about that but then you miss the "fun" of going via Greenland. :-) |
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 12:07:44 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 11:38:29 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 10:01:50 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 09:35:34 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:39:31 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:02:45 -0400, John H. wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:20:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 11:29:18 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:36:24 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: It also looks like it would be a good short cut on the way north to Newfoundland and Labrador. Sounds "cold" ;-) === Yah but... ...what I'd really like to do is cross to Europe by way of Greenland, Iceland and Scotland. Crazy? Of course, and it will probably never happen. A few weeks in Labrador might cure me with any luck, and I've always wanted to cruise Nova Scotia. When you grow up in the lake effect snow belt of upstate NY the ice never totally leaves your blood stream. :-) I read a while back about a group crossing made by owners of some brand of boat that I can't remember right now (Nordic Tug?). Perhaps there are brand or club group crossings that you could latch onto? === You're probably thinking about the Nordhavn Trans Atlantic Rally in 2004. http://www.nordhavn.com/rally/voyage/welcome.htm I followed that event closely and have corresponded with several of the participants. We met one of them last summer up in the Chesapeake and had dinner with them at Solomons. They say it will probably never happen again, and if it does, it will start without them. That rally took the southern route: Lauderdale to Bermuda, Bermuda to the Azores, and Azores to Gibralter. They encountered some really nasty head seas on the last leg to Gibralter and there were a number of boats that developed mechanical problems. Nordhavn's are quite a different boat than ours. They have a very long fuel range, long enough to cross oceans without refueling. We do not. On the other hand we have twin engines, more speed, and a lot of other redundancy so there are offsetting factors to an extent. The northern route that I'm thinking about has much shorter legs, the longest being about 3 or 4 days, and well within our fuel range. The advantage there is that you can get fairly reliable weather information over 3 or 4 days. The disadvantage is that the water is cold, there are ice hazzards, fog, and frequent weather changes. Yup, that's the one I was thinking of. Didn't know what route they took. If I were in your shoes, I'd sure be looking for some company along the way. It sounds like it would be a great adventure. Actually, the year beating around Europe is what I found really appealing. You mentioned shipping the boat back. Could you ship it to Rotterdam? Or would it be more cost effective to rent a boat in Europe to do some cruising? Sounds like a great idea. === It's entirely possible to ship the boat both ways and a fair number of people do that. One of our local boats from this area has been in the Med all summer, mostly in southern Spain and offshore islands. They have professional crew and a large operating budget however. It costs about $40K each way but saves a lot of fuel plus wear and tear on the boat. There's something about making the crossing via Labrador, Greenland and Iceland that appeals to my sense of adventure however. Cruising around the Med sounds like fun. Just be careful on the South and East sides. If you cruised around all winter, you could hit the window on the way back ... as long as the trip over was fun. I'd want to fit in a trip to Rotterdam and then down the Rhein for a ways...maybe to Basel. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Might be cheaper to buy or lease a boat for a year. === You may be right about that but then you miss the "fun" of going via Greenland. :-) Maybe someone needs a delivery. |
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On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 15:22:02 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 13:06:28 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 12:02:18 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 11:38:29 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 10:01:50 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 09:35:34 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:39:31 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:02:45 -0400, John H. wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:20:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 11:29:18 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:36:24 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: It also looks like it would be a good short cut on the way north to Newfoundland and Labrador. Sounds "cold" ;-) === Yah but... ...what I'd really like to do is cross to Europe by way of Greenland, Iceland and Scotland. Crazy? Of course, and it will probably never happen. A few weeks in Labrador might cure me with any luck, and I've always wanted to cruise Nova Scotia. When you grow up in the lake effect snow belt of upstate NY the ice never totally leaves your blood stream. :-) I read a while back about a group crossing made by owners of some brand of boat that I can't remember right now (Nordic Tug?). Perhaps there are brand or club group crossings that you could latch onto? === You're probably thinking about the Nordhavn Trans Atlantic Rally in 2004. http://www.nordhavn.com/rally/voyage/welcome.htm I followed that event closely and have corresponded with several of the participants. We met one of them last summer up in the Chesapeake and had dinner with them at Solomons. They say it will probably never happen again, and if it does, it will start without them. That rally took the southern route: Lauderdale to Bermuda, Bermuda to the Azores, and Azores to Gibralter. They encountered some really nasty head seas on the last leg to Gibralter and there were a number of boats that developed mechanical problems. Nordhavn's are quite a different boat than ours. They have a very long fuel range, long enough to cross oceans without refueling. We do not. On the other hand we have twin engines, more speed, and a lot of other redundancy so there are offsetting factors to an extent. The northern route that I'm thinking about has much shorter legs, the longest being about 3 or 4 days, and well within our fuel range. The advantage there is that you can get fairly reliable weather information over 3 or 4 days. The disadvantage is that the water is cold, there are ice hazzards, fog, and frequent weather changes. Yup, that's the one I was thinking of. Didn't know what route they took. If I were in your shoes, I'd sure be looking for some company along the way. It sounds like it would be a great adventure. Actually, the year beating around Europe is what I found really appealing. You mentioned shipping the boat back. Could you ship it to Rotterdam? Or would it be more cost effective to rent a boat in Europe to do some cruising? Sounds like a great idea. === It's entirely possible to ship the boat both ways and a fair number of people do that. One of our local boats from this area has been in the Med all summer, mostly in southern Spain and offshore islands. They have professional crew and a large operating budget however. It costs about $40K each way but saves a lot of fuel plus wear and tear on the boat. There's something about making the crossing via Labrador, Greenland and Iceland that appeals to my sense of adventure however. Cruising around the Med sounds like fun. Just be careful on the South and East sides. If you cruised around all winter, you could hit the window on the way back ... as long as the trip over was fun. I'd want to fit in a trip to Rotterdam and then down the Rhein for a ways...maybe to Basel. Yup Europe by boat does sound like a very interesting trip. Sort of a Viking cruise where you get to decide where you go and how long you stay. It does beg the question, how would the electrical shore tie work at 220v 50HZ. You might need to buy a big assed transformer. I imagine most of the motors would tolerate the 50 hz but you need to read the nameplate rating. That "transformer" might need to be a VFD. (lighter but more expensive) === All of my battery chargers are rated for 50/60 so that is not a problem. What is an issue is 220 V non-center tapped. For that you need an isolation transformer rated at 12 KVA/50 Hz. You can pick them up on EBAY for a half reasonable price but you need to build a weather proof enclosure and install some Euro style inlet connectors. The isolation transformer also solves the GFI tripping issue which is common on some Euro docks. An isolation transformer should not trip the RCD, in fact it will prevent the RDC from tripping on a fault. If your charger has a 220v tap, it should work tho. (assuming they want 120 now) |
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#37
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On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 15:22:02 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 13:06:28 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 12:02:18 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 11:38:29 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 10:01:50 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 09:35:34 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:39:31 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:02:45 -0400, John H. wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:20:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 11:29:18 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:36:24 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: It also looks like it would be a good short cut on the way north to Newfoundland and Labrador. Sounds "cold" ;-) === Yah but... ...what I'd really like to do is cross to Europe by way of Greenland, Iceland and Scotland. Crazy? Of course, and it will probably never happen. A few weeks in Labrador might cure me with any luck, and I've always wanted to cruise Nova Scotia. When you grow up in the lake effect snow belt of upstate NY the ice never totally leaves your blood stream. :-) I read a while back about a group crossing made by owners of some brand of boat that I can't remember right now (Nordic Tug?). Perhaps there are brand or club group crossings that you could latch onto? === You're probably thinking about the Nordhavn Trans Atlantic Rally in 2004. http://www.nordhavn.com/rally/voyage/welcome.htm I followed that event closely and have corresponded with several of the participants. We met one of them last summer up in the Chesapeake and had dinner with them at Solomons. They say it will probably never happen again, and if it does, it will start without them. That rally took the southern route: Lauderdale to Bermuda, Bermuda to the Azores, and Azores to Gibralter. They encountered some really nasty head seas on the last leg to Gibralter and there were a number of boats that developed mechanical problems. Nordhavn's are quite a different boat than ours. They have a very long fuel range, long enough to cross oceans without refueling. We do not. On the other hand we have twin engines, more speed, and a lot of other redundancy so there are offsetting factors to an extent. The northern route that I'm thinking about has much shorter legs, the longest being about 3 or 4 days, and well within our fuel range. The advantage there is that you can get fairly reliable weather information over 3 or 4 days. The disadvantage is that the water is cold, there are ice hazzards, fog, and frequent weather changes. Yup, that's the one I was thinking of. Didn't know what route they took. If I were in your shoes, I'd sure be looking for some company along the way. It sounds like it would be a great adventure. Actually, the year beating around Europe is what I found really appealing. You mentioned shipping the boat back. Could you ship it to Rotterdam? Or would it be more cost effective to rent a boat in Europe to do some cruising? Sounds like a great idea. === It's entirely possible to ship the boat both ways and a fair number of people do that. One of our local boats from this area has been in the Med all summer, mostly in southern Spain and offshore islands. They have professional crew and a large operating budget however. It costs about $40K each way but saves a lot of fuel plus wear and tear on the boat. There's something about making the crossing via Labrador, Greenland and Iceland that appeals to my sense of adventure however. Cruising around the Med sounds like fun. Just be careful on the South and East sides. If you cruised around all winter, you could hit the window on the way back ... as long as the trip over was fun. I'd want to fit in a trip to Rotterdam and then down the Rhein for a ways...maybe to Basel. Yup Europe by boat does sound like a very interesting trip. Sort of a Viking cruise where you get to decide where you go and how long you stay. It does beg the question, how would the electrical shore tie work at 220v 50HZ. You might need to buy a big assed transformer. I imagine most of the motors would tolerate the 50 hz but you need to read the nameplate rating. That "transformer" might need to be a VFD. (lighter but more expensive) === All of my battery chargers are rated for 50/60 so that is not a problem. What is an issue is 220 V non-center tapped. For that you need an isolation transformer rated at 12 KVA/50 Hz. You can pick them up on EBAY for a half reasonable price but you need to build a weather proof enclosure and install some Euro style inlet connectors. The isolation transformer also solves the GFI tripping issue which is common on some Euro docks. Could you not get by with a small generator? -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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#38
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On 9/6/2015 1:49 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 15:22:02 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 13:06:28 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 12:02:18 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 11:38:29 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 10:01:50 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 09:35:34 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:39:31 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:02:45 -0400, John H. wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:20:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 11:29:18 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:36:24 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: It also looks like it would be a good short cut on the way north to Newfoundland and Labrador. Sounds "cold" ;-) === Yah but... ...what I'd really like to do is cross to Europe by way of Greenland, Iceland and Scotland. Crazy? Of course, and it will probably never happen. A few weeks in Labrador might cure me with any luck, and I've always wanted to cruise Nova Scotia. When you grow up in the lake effect snow belt of upstate NY the ice never totally leaves your blood stream. :-) I read a while back about a group crossing made by owners of some brand of boat that I can't remember right now (Nordic Tug?). Perhaps there are brand or club group crossings that you could latch onto? === You're probably thinking about the Nordhavn Trans Atlantic Rally in 2004. http://www.nordhavn.com/rally/voyage/welcome.htm I followed that event closely and have corresponded with several of the participants. We met one of them last summer up in the Chesapeake and had dinner with them at Solomons. They say it will probably never happen again, and if it does, it will start without them. That rally took the southern route: Lauderdale to Bermuda, Bermuda to the Azores, and Azores to Gibralter. They encountered some really nasty head seas on the last leg to Gibralter and there were a number of boats that developed mechanical problems. Nordhavn's are quite a different boat than ours. They have a very long fuel range, long enough to cross oceans without refueling. We do not. On the other hand we have twin engines, more speed, and a lot of other redundancy so there are offsetting factors to an extent. The northern route that I'm thinking about has much shorter legs, the longest being about 3 or 4 days, and well within our fuel range. The advantage there is that you can get fairly reliable weather information over 3 or 4 days. The disadvantage is that the water is cold, there are ice hazzards, fog, and frequent weather changes. Yup, that's the one I was thinking of. Didn't know what route they took. If I were in your shoes, I'd sure be looking for some company along the way. It sounds like it would be a great adventure. Actually, the year beating around Europe is what I found really appealing. You mentioned shipping the boat back. Could you ship it to Rotterdam? Or would it be more cost effective to rent a boat in Europe to do some cruising? Sounds like a great idea. === It's entirely possible to ship the boat both ways and a fair number of people do that. One of our local boats from this area has been in the Med all summer, mostly in southern Spain and offshore islands. They have professional crew and a large operating budget however. It costs about $40K each way but saves a lot of fuel plus wear and tear on the boat. There's something about making the crossing via Labrador, Greenland and Iceland that appeals to my sense of adventure however. Cruising around the Med sounds like fun. Just be careful on the South and East sides. If you cruised around all winter, you could hit the window on the way back ... as long as the trip over was fun. I'd want to fit in a trip to Rotterdam and then down the Rhein for a ways...maybe to Basel. Yup Europe by boat does sound like a very interesting trip. Sort of a Viking cruise where you get to decide where you go and how long you stay. It does beg the question, how would the electrical shore tie work at 220v 50HZ. You might need to buy a big assed transformer. I imagine most of the motors would tolerate the 50 hz but you need to read the nameplate rating. That "transformer" might need to be a VFD. (lighter but more expensive) === All of my battery chargers are rated for 50/60 so that is not a problem. What is an issue is 220 V non-center tapped. For that you need an isolation transformer rated at 12 KVA/50 Hz. You can pick them up on EBAY for a half reasonable price but you need to build a weather proof enclosure and install some Euro style inlet connectors. The isolation transformer also solves the GFI tripping issue which is common on some Euro docks. An isolation transformer should not trip the RCD, in fact it will prevent the RDC from tripping on a fault. If your charger has a 220v tap, it should work tho. (assuming they want 120 now) What is RDC? |
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Wayne, prop guy?
On 9/6/2015 10:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 06 Sep 2015 07:36:11 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 15:22:02 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 13:06:28 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 12:02:18 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 11:38:29 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 10:01:50 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 09:35:34 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:39:31 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:02:45 -0400, John H. wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:20:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 11:29:18 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:36:24 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: It also looks like it would be a good short cut on the way north to Newfoundland and Labrador. Sounds "cold" ;-) === Yah but... ...what I'd really like to do is cross to Europe by way of Greenland, Iceland and Scotland. Crazy? Of course, and it will probably never happen. A few weeks in Labrador might cure me with any luck, and I've always wanted to cruise Nova Scotia. When you grow up in the lake effect snow belt of upstate NY the ice never totally leaves your blood stream. :-) I read a while back about a group crossing made by owners of some brand of boat that I can't remember right now (Nordic Tug?). Perhaps there are brand or club group crossings that you could latch onto? === You're probably thinking about the Nordhavn Trans Atlantic Rally in 2004. http://www.nordhavn.com/rally/voyage/welcome.htm I followed that event closely and have corresponded with several of the participants. We met one of them last summer up in the Chesapeake and had dinner with them at Solomons. They say it will probably never happen again, and if it does, it will start without them. That rally took the southern route: Lauderdale to Bermuda, Bermuda to the Azores, and Azores to Gibralter. They encountered some really nasty head seas on the last leg to Gibralter and there were a number of boats that developed mechanical problems. Nordhavn's are quite a different boat than ours. They have a very long fuel range, long enough to cross oceans without refueling. We do not. On the other hand we have twin engines, more speed, and a lot of other redundancy so there are offsetting factors to an extent. The northern route that I'm thinking about has much shorter legs, the longest being about 3 or 4 days, and well within our fuel range. The advantage there is that you can get fairly reliable weather information over 3 or 4 days. The disadvantage is that the water is cold, there are ice hazzards, fog, and frequent weather changes. Yup, that's the one I was thinking of. Didn't know what route they took. If I were in your shoes, I'd sure be looking for some company along the way. It sounds like it would be a great adventure. Actually, the year beating around Europe is what I found really appealing. You mentioned shipping the boat back. Could you ship it to Rotterdam? Or would it be more cost effective to rent a boat in Europe to do some cruising? Sounds like a great idea. === It's entirely possible to ship the boat both ways and a fair number of people do that. One of our local boats from this area has been in the Med all summer, mostly in southern Spain and offshore islands. They have professional crew and a large operating budget however. It costs about $40K each way but saves a lot of fuel plus wear and tear on the boat. There's something about making the crossing via Labrador, Greenland and Iceland that appeals to my sense of adventure however. Cruising around the Med sounds like fun. Just be careful on the South and East sides. If you cruised around all winter, you could hit the window on the way back ... as long as the trip over was fun. I'd want to fit in a trip to Rotterdam and then down the Rhein for a ways...maybe to Basel. Yup Europe by boat does sound like a very interesting trip. Sort of a Viking cruise where you get to decide where you go and how long you stay. It does beg the question, how would the electrical shore tie work at 220v 50HZ. You might need to buy a big assed transformer. I imagine most of the motors would tolerate the 50 hz but you need to read the nameplate rating. That "transformer" might need to be a VFD. (lighter but more expensive) === All of my battery chargers are rated for 50/60 so that is not a problem. What is an issue is 220 V non-center tapped. For that you need an isolation transformer rated at 12 KVA/50 Hz. You can pick them up on EBAY for a half reasonable price but you need to build a weather proof enclosure and install some Euro style inlet connectors. The isolation transformer also solves the GFI tripping issue which is common on some Euro docks. Could you not get by with a small generator? === Sure but most marinas will not allow you to run a generator for any length of time if shore power is available. We have two, a 20KW and a 15KW, both diesels of course. The problem is adapting Euro style shore power so that you don't need to run the generators. European power is typically 220 volt, 50 Hz, with no neutral connection. Most US boats are set up just like your house with two 120 volt legs that are 180 degrees out of phase with each other so that they add up to 220 volts for larger appliances. Most of our stuff will run on 50 HZ power but you need an center tapped isolation transformer to create the two 120 volt legs from a single 220. 300A? That's probably bigger than your house has. |
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Wayne, prop guy?
On 9/6/2015 11:05 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 06 Sep 2015 10:53:02 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 06 Sep 2015 07:36:11 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 15:22:02 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 13:06:28 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 12:02:18 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 11:38:29 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 10:01:50 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 09:35:34 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:39:31 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 08:02:45 -0400, John H. wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:20:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 11:29:18 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:36:24 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: It also looks like it would be a good short cut on the way north to Newfoundland and Labrador. Sounds "cold" ;-) === Yah but... ...what I'd really like to do is cross to Europe by way of Greenland, Iceland and Scotland. Crazy? Of course, and it will probably never happen. A few weeks in Labrador might cure me with any luck, and I've always wanted to cruise Nova Scotia. When you grow up in the lake effect snow belt of upstate NY the ice never totally leaves your blood stream. :-) I read a while back about a group crossing made by owners of some brand of boat that I can't remember right now (Nordic Tug?). Perhaps there are brand or club group crossings that you could latch onto? === You're probably thinking about the Nordhavn Trans Atlantic Rally in 2004. http://www.nordhavn.com/rally/voyage/welcome.htm I followed that event closely and have corresponded with several of the participants. We met one of them last summer up in the Chesapeake and had dinner with them at Solomons. They say it will probably never happen again, and if it does, it will start without them. That rally took the southern route: Lauderdale to Bermuda, Bermuda to the Azores, and Azores to Gibralter. They encountered some really nasty head seas on the last leg to Gibralter and there were a number of boats that developed mechanical problems. Nordhavn's are quite a different boat than ours. They have a very long fuel range, long enough to cross oceans without refueling. We do not. On the other hand we have twin engines, more speed, and a lot of other redundancy so there are offsetting factors to an extent. The northern route that I'm thinking about has much shorter legs, the longest being about 3 or 4 days, and well within our fuel range. The advantage there is that you can get fairly reliable weather information over 3 or 4 days. The disadvantage is that the water is cold, there are ice hazzards, fog, and frequent weather changes. Yup, that's the one I was thinking of. Didn't know what route they took. If I were in your shoes, I'd sure be looking for some company along the way. It sounds like it would be a great adventure. Actually, the year beating around Europe is what I found really appealing. You mentioned shipping the boat back. Could you ship it to Rotterdam? Or would it be more cost effective to rent a boat in Europe to do some cruising? Sounds like a great idea. === It's entirely possible to ship the boat both ways and a fair number of people do that. One of our local boats from this area has been in the Med all summer, mostly in southern Spain and offshore islands. They have professional crew and a large operating budget however. It costs about $40K each way but saves a lot of fuel plus wear and tear on the boat. There's something about making the crossing via Labrador, Greenland and Iceland that appeals to my sense of adventure however. Cruising around the Med sounds like fun. Just be careful on the South and East sides. If you cruised around all winter, you could hit the window on the way back ... as long as the trip over was fun. I'd want to fit in a trip to Rotterdam and then down the Rhein for a ways...maybe to Basel. Yup Europe by boat does sound like a very interesting trip. Sort of a Viking cruise where you get to decide where you go and how long you stay. It does beg the question, how would the electrical shore tie work at 220v 50HZ. You might need to buy a big assed transformer. I imagine most of the motors would tolerate the 50 hz but you need to read the nameplate rating. That "transformer" might need to be a VFD. (lighter but more expensive) === All of my battery chargers are rated for 50/60 so that is not a problem. What is an issue is 220 V non-center tapped. For that you need an isolation transformer rated at 12 KVA/50 Hz. You can pick them up on EBAY for a half reasonable price but you need to build a weather proof enclosure and install some Euro style inlet connectors. The isolation transformer also solves the GFI tripping issue which is common on some Euro docks. Could you not get by with a small generator? === Sure but most marinas will not allow you to run a generator for any length of time if shore power is available. We have two, a 20KW and a 15KW, both diesels of course. The problem is adapting Euro style shore power so that you don't need to run the generators. European power is typically 220 volt, 50 Hz, with no neutral connection. Most US boats are set up just like your house with two 120 volt legs that are 180 degrees out of phase with each other so that they add up to 220 volts for larger appliances. Most of our stuff will run on 50 HZ power but you need an center tapped isolation transformer to create the two 120 volt legs from a single 220. Maybe Luddite would loan you his small Honda. Quiet and will power a refrigerator and dozens of LED's. -- Ban idiots, not guns! LEDs are great. I saved a bundle by converting my house lighting to LED. My camper is all DC LED too. |
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