On 7/12/2015 9:36 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/12/15 9:07 AM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, July 12, 2015 at 5:59:32 AM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/12/15 8:53 AM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, July 12, 2015 at 5:39:47 AM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/12/15 8:29 AM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, July 12, 2015 at 5:03:30 AM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/12/15 7:47 AM, Tim wrote:
On Saturday, July 11, 2015 at 6:43:06 PM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/11/15 9:37 PM, Tim wrote:
On Saturday, July 11, 2015 at 5:50:07 PM UTC-7, Keyser Söze
wrote:
On 7/11/15 8:32 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 19:34:22 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Another religious post.

Who's attempting to cram religion down throats, Krause?


In this country? Christian fundamentalists.

Nobody is poking religion down your throat Harry.


Bull****.

Harry, all that paranoia is going to eat you alive. The easiest
antidote against having religion 'crammed down your throat" is
to close your mouth. don't leave it gaping open. Religion isn't
going away no matter how much you or the ACLU want to stammer
about it.


Right, Tim. Let's all say nothing when the religious restrict the
rights
of others, cram their beliefs into textbooks meant for public
school,
teach hatred, et cetera. But...keep your mouth shut.

I find freedom in religion and practicing my faith. The
constitution doesn't have a problem with that, so I don't
understand why you would. That is unless you don't like the
constitution.



Apparently you just don't get it. I don't give a **** what faith *you*
practice...just don't try to make *me* practice it. That's the crux.

Nobody's making you practice anything Harry. Why you got looking for
a fight?



Whoosh...

I didn't mean for my comment to go over your head ....


It didn't. No matter how many times or ways it is explained to you, you
simply don't get it or choose not to get it. No man is an island...when
you religious people push your beliefs into the practice of medicine or
science or shovel creationism into the public schools, you are forcing
that practice on people who don't believe in your superstitions.


Unfortunately for you Harry, Tim's correct. You are the one who "just
doesn't get it".

It would be nice if you could have your wish and just go be-bopping
through life with everything going the way you like or want it. It's
not realistic.

Your problem is not religiously based. It's politically based.

You say what bothers you is the influence religious beliefs may have on
legislation and laws. You are not forced to practice a certain
religious belief just because a law that had religious organizations
supporting it was enacted. Proposed legislation and their resultant
laws are backed and influenced by many special interest groups. The
religious supporters are nothing more than another special interest
group when it comes to proposed legislation.

Your party has more than it's share of special interest groups that have
influenced laws that we all have to live by. It's who can garner the
most votes in the House and Senate (or sneak a vote when no one is
looking) that determines success or failure.

Heck. If Jeb Bush wins the 2016 election, nobody will be demanding that
you become a Republican. Win some, lose some.

On 7/12/15 1:54 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/12/2015 9:36 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/12/15 9:07 AM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, July 12, 2015 at 5:59:32 AM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/12/15 8:53 AM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, July 12, 2015 at 5:39:47 AM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/12/15 8:29 AM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, July 12, 2015 at 5:03:30 AM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/12/15 7:47 AM, Tim wrote:
On Saturday, July 11, 2015 at 6:43:06 PM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/11/15 9:37 PM, Tim wrote:
On Saturday, July 11, 2015 at 5:50:07 PM UTC-7, Keyser Söze
wrote:
On 7/11/15 8:32 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 19:34:22 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Another religious post.

Who's attempting to cram religion down throats, Krause?


In this country? Christian fundamentalists.

Nobody is poking religion down your throat Harry.


Bull****.

Harry, all that paranoia is going to eat you alive. The easiest
antidote against having religion 'crammed down your throat" is
to close your mouth. don't leave it gaping open. Religion isn't
going away no matter how much you or the ACLU want to stammer
about it.


Right, Tim. Let's all say nothing when the religious restrict the
rights
of others, cram their beliefs into textbooks meant for public
school,
teach hatred, et cetera. But...keep your mouth shut.

I find freedom in religion and practicing my faith. The
constitution doesn't have a problem with that, so I don't
understand why you would. That is unless you don't like the
constitution.



Apparently you just don't get it. I don't give a **** what faith
*you*
practice...just don't try to make *me* practice it. That's the crux.

Nobody's making you practice anything Harry. Why you got looking for
a fight?



Whoosh...

I didn't mean for my comment to go over your head ....


It didn't. No matter how many times or ways it is explained to you, you
simply don't get it or choose not to get it. No man is an island...when
you religious people push your beliefs into the practice of medicine or
science or shovel creationism into the public schools, you are forcing
that practice on people who don't believe in your superstitions.


Unfortunately for you Harry, Tim's correct. You are the one who "just
doesn't get it".

It would be nice if you could have your wish and just go be-bopping
through life with everything going the way you like or want it. It's
not realistic.

Your problem is not religiously based. It's politically based.

You say what bothers you is the influence religious beliefs may have on
legislation and laws. You are not forced to practice a certain
religious belief just because a law that had religious organizations
supporting it was enacted. Proposed legislation and their resultant
laws are backed and influenced by many special interest groups. The
religious supporters are nothing more than another special interest
group when it comes to proposed legislation.

Your party has more than it's share of special interest groups that have
influenced laws that we all have to live by. It's who can garner the
most votes in the House and Senate (or sneak a vote when no one is
looking) that determines success or failure.

Heck. If Jeb Bush wins the 2016 election, nobody will be demanding that
you become a Republican. Win some, lose some.



The first amendment and I agree that religion has no place in the
legislative or judicial processes. Unfortunately, the first amendment is
ignored a lot when it comes to the agenda of the religious. The
religious may be a special interest group, but they shouldn't be
influencing public policy. That's not what is supposed to happen in this
country.

On 7/12/2015 2:12 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/12/15 1:54 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/12/2015 9:36 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/12/15 9:07 AM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, July 12, 2015 at 5:59:32 AM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/12/15 8:53 AM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, July 12, 2015 at 5:39:47 AM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/12/15 8:29 AM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, July 12, 2015 at 5:03:30 AM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/12/15 7:47 AM, Tim wrote:
On Saturday, July 11, 2015 at 6:43:06 PM UTC-7, Keyser Söze
wrote:
On 7/11/15 9:37 PM, Tim wrote:
On Saturday, July 11, 2015 at 5:50:07 PM UTC-7, Keyser Söze
wrote:
On 7/11/15 8:32 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 19:34:22 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Another religious post.

Who's attempting to cram religion down throats, Krause?


In this country? Christian fundamentalists.

Nobody is poking religion down your throat Harry.


Bull****.

Harry, all that paranoia is going to eat you alive. The easiest
antidote against having religion 'crammed down your throat" is
to close your mouth. don't leave it gaping open. Religion isn't
going away no matter how much you or the ACLU want to stammer
about it.


Right, Tim. Let's all say nothing when the religious restrict the
rights
of others, cram their beliefs into textbooks meant for public
school,
teach hatred, et cetera. But...keep your mouth shut.

I find freedom in religion and practicing my faith. The
constitution doesn't have a problem with that, so I don't
understand why you would. That is unless you don't like the
constitution.



Apparently you just don't get it. I don't give a **** what faith
*you*
practice...just don't try to make *me* practice it. That's the crux.

Nobody's making you practice anything Harry. Why you got looking for
a fight?



Whoosh...

I didn't mean for my comment to go over your head ....


It didn't. No matter how many times or ways it is explained to you, you
simply don't get it or choose not to get it. No man is an island...when
you religious people push your beliefs into the practice of medicine or
science or shovel creationism into the public schools, you are forcing
that practice on people who don't believe in your superstitions.


Unfortunately for you Harry, Tim's correct. You are the one who "just
doesn't get it".

It would be nice if you could have your wish and just go be-bopping
through life with everything going the way you like or want it. It's
not realistic.

Your problem is not religiously based. It's politically based.

You say what bothers you is the influence religious beliefs may have on
legislation and laws. You are not forced to practice a certain
religious belief just because a law that had religious organizations
supporting it was enacted. Proposed legislation and their resultant
laws are backed and influenced by many special interest groups. The
religious supporters are nothing more than another special interest
group when it comes to proposed legislation.

Your party has more than it's share of special interest groups that have
influenced laws that we all have to live by. It's who can garner the
most votes in the House and Senate (or sneak a vote when no one is
looking) that determines success or failure.

Heck. If Jeb Bush wins the 2016 election, nobody will be demanding that
you become a Republican. Win some, lose some.



The first amendment and I agree that religion has no place in the
legislative or judicial processes. Unfortunately, the first amendment is
ignored a lot when it comes to the agenda of the religious. The
religious may be a special interest group, but they shouldn't be
influencing public policy. That's not what is supposed to happen in this
country.



"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

It means the government can't establish a religion. It also means the
government can't prohibit anyone from exercising his/her religion or to
petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

It doesn't say anything like, "religion has no place in the
legislative or judicial processes" as you claimed.

People have a right to present, lobby for and bring to a vote any
legislation they want. Doesn't mean it will be approved or even pass
a review by the Supreme Court, but the right still exists regardless of
the reasons or justifications ... religious or not.

You just don't want any challenges to your way of thinking. Sorry, but
the world just doesn't work that way. You have to be prepared to fight
for what you believe in. (figuratively speaking, of course).