On 6/22/2015 4:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/22/2015 12:40 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 14:36:47 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/21/2015 10:48 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 07:52:04 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/21/2015 6:34 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:08:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

The Washington Post is reporting that Dylann Roof was given the .45
Glock by his father back in April.

By law, Roof could not purchase a firearm in SC because he
had a felony charge pending (drugs). According to the Washington
Post
a FFL would have run a background check and the charge would have
come
up disallowing Roof from purchasing it.

But the loophole was the private transfer. SC (along with 40 other
states) does not require a background check for personal transfers.

Seems we've had this debate before.

You reckon the dad would have filled out the paperwork before
giving the gun to the
druggie son?

Not as the law stands now. But perhaps if it was illegal to transfer
firearms without a background check he may not have done so. Based on
media reports it appears Root's parents are law abiding and not
racists.

Do you really think that every person in Maryland or Massachusetts
fills out all of those forms and involves the government when they
"transfer" a firearm within the household?
This wasn't even a case of getting a gun from a neighbor or a family
member outside the home.



They are stupid if they don't file the forms. If the firearm ever ends
up in the wrong hands and a crime is committed with it the chain of
custody would point back to the person who didn't file the paperwork
when he transferred or sold it.

It's not a big problem or issue. Takes about 5 minutes on line and
the firearm is officially registered to the new owner.


... and those people wouldn't be dead anymore because that form was
filled out?



How many saved lives would make it worth it for you?

One hundred? A thousand? How about one?


For the sake of argument, why don't we require maintaining chain of
custody of all implements that could cause death. Baseball bats, kitchen
knives, axes; remember Lizzy?


--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

On 6/21/15 6:34 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:08:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

The Washington Post is reporting that Dylann Roof was given the .45
Glock by his father back in April.

By law, Roof could not purchase a firearm in SC because he
had a felony charge pending (drugs). According to the Washington Post
a FFL would have run a background check and the charge would have come
up disallowing Roof from purchasing it.

But the loophole was the private transfer. SC (along with 40 other
states) does not require a background check for personal transfers.

Seems we've had this debate before.

You reckon the dad would have filled out the paperwork before giving the gun to the
druggie son?

We'll just let that sit, I'll be at Solomons for a week.



Solomons...ahh, just the place to be in a travel trailer when it is
85-99F outside, with high humidity. All those folks and their trailers
at the Navy Rec Center, lined up, with the A/C compressors running
24/7...blech. Don't forget to take all your guns and other hobby stuff
you don't know how to use.

On 6/21/2015 7:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/21/15 6:34 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:08:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

The Washington Post is reporting that Dylann Roof was given the .45
Glock by his father back in April.

By law, Roof could not purchase a firearm in SC because he
had a felony charge pending (drugs). According to the Washington Post
a FFL would have run a background check and the charge would have come
up disallowing Roof from purchasing it.

But the loophole was the private transfer. SC (along with 40 other
states) does not require a background check for personal transfers.

Seems we've had this debate before.

You reckon the dad would have filled out the paperwork before giving
the gun to the
druggie son?

We'll just let that sit, I'll be at Solomons for a week.



Solomons...ahh, just the place to be in a travel trailer when it is
85-99F outside, with high humidity. All those folks and their trailers
at the Navy Rec Center, lined up, with the A/C compressors running
24/7...blech. Don't forget to take all your guns and other hobby stuff
you don't know how to use.

"And old man like you shouldn't waste his dwindling days on foolishness
like that"
Donnie said that



--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

On 6/21/2015 7:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/21/15 6:34 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:08:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

The Washington Post is reporting that Dylann Roof was given the .45
Glock by his father back in April.

By law, Roof could not purchase a firearm in SC because he
had a felony charge pending (drugs). According to the Washington Post
a FFL would have run a background check and the charge would have come
up disallowing Roof from purchasing it.

But the loophole was the private transfer. SC (along with 40 other
states) does not require a background check for personal transfers.

Seems we've had this debate before.

You reckon the dad would have filled out the paperwork before giving
the gun to the
druggie son?

We'll just let that sit, I'll be at Solomons for a week.



Solomons...ahh, just the place to be in a travel trailer when it is
85-99F outside, with high humidity. All those folks and their trailers
at the Navy Rec Center, lined up, with the A/C compressors running
24/7...blech. Don't forget to take all your guns and other hobby stuff
you don't know how to use.


Ha. Brings back memories of our very brief "camping" experience.

We've had a few RV's ... Class A and Class C motorhomes but they were
primary purchased with the thought in mind that they would be used for
traveling back and forth to Florida when we had the houses down there.
We thought they would make for leisurely trips, stopping to see the
sights so to speak. Never worked out that way. Once on the road we
got to Jupiter in two and a half days ... the same amount of time it
took to drive in a car.

Then my daughter convinced us to get a fifth wheel. Her two boys were
young at the time and she, her husband and kids loved to go "camping" in
a travel trailer they had. She talked us (and my oldest son) to
join them in their camping adventures.

So, we bought a 36 or 37 foot fifth wheel and a Ford F-350 diesel to
pull it. My son also bought a fifth wheel and a new truck to pull his.

Off we all went to some place in New Hampshire. Fifty million screaming
little kids all over the place. Hottest week in years in New Hampshire
with temps in the 90's and near 100 percent humidity. Rained every
afternoon. Mosquitoes the size of Boeing 747's. One of the most
horrible weeks I've ever spent.

Dragged the fifth wheel home and immediately put it up for sale.

On 6/21/2015 8:39 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/21/2015 7:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/21/15 6:34 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:08:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

The Washington Post is reporting that Dylann Roof was given the .45
Glock by his father back in April.

By law, Roof could not purchase a firearm in SC because he
had a felony charge pending (drugs). According to the Washington Post
a FFL would have run a background check and the charge would have come
up disallowing Roof from purchasing it.

But the loophole was the private transfer. SC (along with 40 other
states) does not require a background check for personal transfers.

Seems we've had this debate before.

You reckon the dad would have filled out the paperwork before giving
the gun to the
druggie son?

We'll just let that sit, I'll be at Solomons for a week.



Solomons...ahh, just the place to be in a travel trailer when it is
85-99F outside, with high humidity. All those folks and their trailers
at the Navy Rec Center, lined up, with the A/C compressors running
24/7...blech. Don't forget to take all your guns and other hobby stuff
you don't know how to use.


Ha. Brings back memories of our very brief "camping" experience.

We've had a few RV's ... Class A and Class C motorhomes but they were
primary purchased with the thought in mind that they would be used for
traveling back and forth to Florida when we had the houses down there.
We thought they would make for leisurely trips, stopping to see the
sights so to speak. Never worked out that way. Once on the road we
got to Jupiter in two and a half days ... the same amount of time it
took to drive in a car.

Then my daughter convinced us to get a fifth wheel. Her two boys were
young at the time and she, her husband and kids loved to go "camping" in
a travel trailer they had. She talked us (and my oldest son) to
join them in their camping adventures.

So, we bought a 36 or 37 foot fifth wheel and a Ford F-350 diesel to
pull it. My son also bought a fifth wheel and a new truck to pull his.

Off we all went to some place in New Hampshire. Fifty million screaming
little kids all over the place. Hottest week in years in New Hampshire
with temps in the 90's and near 100 percent humidity. Rained every
afternoon. Mosquitoes the size of Boeing 747's. One of the most
horrible weeks I've ever spent.

Dragged the fifth wheel home and immediately put it up for sale.


Ahhhh. Camping in New England at it's finest.

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

On 6/21/2015 9:00 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 6/21/2015 8:39 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/21/2015 7:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/21/15 6:34 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:08:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

The Washington Post is reporting that Dylann Roof was given the .45
Glock by his father back in April.

By law, Roof could not purchase a firearm in SC because he
had a felony charge pending (drugs). According to the Washington Post
a FFL would have run a background check and the charge would have come
up disallowing Roof from purchasing it.

But the loophole was the private transfer. SC (along with 40 other
states) does not require a background check for personal transfers.

Seems we've had this debate before.

You reckon the dad would have filled out the paperwork before giving
the gun to the
druggie son?

We'll just let that sit, I'll be at Solomons for a week.



Solomons...ahh, just the place to be in a travel trailer when it is
85-99F outside, with high humidity. All those folks and their trailers
at the Navy Rec Center, lined up, with the A/C compressors running
24/7...blech. Don't forget to take all your guns and other hobby stuff
you don't know how to use.


Ha. Brings back memories of our very brief "camping" experience.

We've had a few RV's ... Class A and Class C motorhomes but they were
primary purchased with the thought in mind that they would be used for
traveling back and forth to Florida when we had the houses down there.
We thought they would make for leisurely trips, stopping to see the
sights so to speak. Never worked out that way. Once on the road we
got to Jupiter in two and a half days ... the same amount of time it
took to drive in a car.

Then my daughter convinced us to get a fifth wheel. Her two boys were
young at the time and she, her husband and kids loved to go "camping" in
a travel trailer they had. She talked us (and my oldest son) to
join them in their camping adventures.

So, we bought a 36 or 37 foot fifth wheel and a Ford F-350 diesel to
pull it. My son also bought a fifth wheel and a new truck to pull his.

Off we all went to some place in New Hampshire. Fifty million screaming
little kids all over the place. Hottest week in years in New Hampshire
with temps in the 90's and near 100 percent humidity. Rained every
afternoon. Mosquitoes the size of Boeing 747's. One of the most
horrible weeks I've ever spent.

Dragged the fifth wheel home and immediately put it up for sale.


Ahhhh. Camping in New England at it's finest.



Well, the fifth wheel wasn't exactly a land yacht. :-)

On 6/21/15 8:39 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/21/2015 7:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/21/15 6:34 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:08:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

The Washington Post is reporting that Dylann Roof was given the .45
Glock by his father back in April.

By law, Roof could not purchase a firearm in SC because he
had a felony charge pending (drugs). According to the Washington Post
a FFL would have run a background check and the charge would have come
up disallowing Roof from purchasing it.

But the loophole was the private transfer. SC (along with 40 other
states) does not require a background check for personal transfers.

Seems we've had this debate before.

You reckon the dad would have filled out the paperwork before giving
the gun to the
druggie son?

We'll just let that sit, I'll be at Solomons for a week.



Solomons...ahh, just the place to be in a travel trailer when it is
85-99F outside, with high humidity. All those folks and their trailers
at the Navy Rec Center, lined up, with the A/C compressors running
24/7...blech. Don't forget to take all your guns and other hobby stuff
you don't know how to use.


Ha. Brings back memories of our very brief "camping" experience.

We've had a few RV's ... Class A and Class C motorhomes but they were
primary purchased with the thought in mind that they would be used for
traveling back and forth to Florida when we had the houses down there.
We thought they would make for leisurely trips, stopping to see the
sights so to speak. Never worked out that way. Once on the road we
got to Jupiter in two and a half days ... the same amount of time it
took to drive in a car.

Then my daughter convinced us to get a fifth wheel. Her two boys were
young at the time and she, her husband and kids loved to go "camping" in
a travel trailer they had. She talked us (and my oldest son) to
join them in their camping adventures.

So, we bought a 36 or 37 foot fifth wheel and a Ford F-350 diesel to
pull it. My son also bought a fifth wheel and a new truck to pull his.

Off we all went to some place in New Hampshire. Fifty million screaming
little kids all over the place. Hottest week in years in New Hampshire
with temps in the 90's and near 100 percent humidity. Rained every
afternoon. Mosquitoes the size of Boeing 747's. One of the most
horrible weeks I've ever spent.

Dragged the fifth wheel home and immediately put it up for sale.



I did a little "camping out" with friends during my college days, out in
Kansas and Colorado and South Dakota. We actually "camped out," though,
with sleeping bags out under the stars, and a couple of tents in case it
rained. Driving or dragging a motel room has no appeal. I don't even
like to see the monster RVs on the interstate, because you can't see
over or around them, and many times the drivers shouldn't be trusted
piloting a skateboard.

On 6/21/2015 9:02 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/21/15 8:39 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/21/2015 7:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/21/15 6:34 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:08:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

The Washington Post is reporting that Dylann Roof was given the .45
Glock by his father back in April.

By law, Roof could not purchase a firearm in SC because he
had a felony charge pending (drugs). According to the Washington Post
a FFL would have run a background check and the charge would have come
up disallowing Roof from purchasing it.

But the loophole was the private transfer. SC (along with 40 other
states) does not require a background check for personal transfers.

Seems we've had this debate before.

You reckon the dad would have filled out the paperwork before giving
the gun to the
druggie son?

We'll just let that sit, I'll be at Solomons for a week.



Solomons...ahh, just the place to be in a travel trailer when it is
85-99F outside, with high humidity. All those folks and their trailers
at the Navy Rec Center, lined up, with the A/C compressors running
24/7...blech. Don't forget to take all your guns and other hobby stuff
you don't know how to use.


Ha. Brings back memories of our very brief "camping" experience.

We've had a few RV's ... Class A and Class C motorhomes but they were
primary purchased with the thought in mind that they would be used for
traveling back and forth to Florida when we had the houses down there.
We thought they would make for leisurely trips, stopping to see the
sights so to speak. Never worked out that way. Once on the road we
got to Jupiter in two and a half days ... the same amount of time it
took to drive in a car.

Then my daughter convinced us to get a fifth wheel. Her two boys were
young at the time and she, her husband and kids loved to go "camping" in
a travel trailer they had. She talked us (and my oldest son) to
join them in their camping adventures.

So, we bought a 36 or 37 foot fifth wheel and a Ford F-350 diesel to
pull it. My son also bought a fifth wheel and a new truck to pull his.

Off we all went to some place in New Hampshire. Fifty million screaming
little kids all over the place. Hottest week in years in New Hampshire
with temps in the 90's and near 100 percent humidity. Rained every
afternoon. Mosquitoes the size of Boeing 747's. One of the most
horrible weeks I've ever spent.

Dragged the fifth wheel home and immediately put it up for sale.



I did a little "camping out" with friends during my college days, out in
Kansas and Colorado and South Dakota. We actually "camped out," though,
with sleeping bags out under the stars, and a couple of tents in case it
rained. Driving or dragging a motel room has no appeal. I don't even
like to see the monster RVs on the interstate, because you can't see
over or around them, and many times the drivers shouldn't be trusted
piloting a skateboard.


On one of the many trips to Florida I drove the F-350 towing a Scout
Center Console. I was by myself (my wife and I don't travel well
together) and I decided to make the trip a camping adventure in the
style we did as youths. I bought a cheap pup tent, a sleeping bag, a
mat to sleep on, along with the cooking and coffee making basics used on
an open fire.

Stopped at a campground somewhere in Virgina the first night and set up
camp on the edge of a small lake. After night fall I tried to sleep but
couldn't. Even with the mat, the ground was hard as a rock. Finally
started to doze off after midnight only to be awakened by a bunch of
ducks quaking and parading in front of the tent. Miserable night. Got
up the next morning and tossed the tent, sleeping bag and cooking gear
into a dumpster. Stayed at a Best Western the next two nights.

On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 08:39:32 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 6/21/2015 7:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/21/15 6:34 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:08:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

The Washington Post is reporting that Dylann Roof was given the .45
Glock by his father back in April.

By law, Roof could not purchase a firearm in SC because he
had a felony charge pending (drugs). According to the Washington Post
a FFL would have run a background check and the charge would have come
up disallowing Roof from purchasing it.

But the loophole was the private transfer. SC (along with 40 other
states) does not require a background check for personal transfers.

Seems we've had this debate before.

You reckon the dad would have filled out the paperwork before giving
the gun to the
druggie son?

We'll just let that sit, I'll be at Solomons for a week.



Solomons...ahh, just the place to be in a travel trailer when it is
85-99F outside, with high humidity. All those folks and their trailers
at the Navy Rec Center, lined up, with the A/C compressors running
24/7...blech. Don't forget to take all your guns and other hobby stuff
you don't know how to use.


Ha. Brings back memories of our very brief "camping" experience.

We've had a few RV's ... Class A and Class C motorhomes but they were
primary purchased with the thought in mind that they would be used for
traveling back and forth to Florida when we had the houses down there.
We thought they would make for leisurely trips, stopping to see the
sights so to speak. Never worked out that way. Once on the road we
got to Jupiter in two and a half days ... the same amount of time it
took to drive in a car.

Then my daughter convinced us to get a fifth wheel. Her two boys were
young at the time and she, her husband and kids loved to go "camping" in
a travel trailer they had. She talked us (and my oldest son) to
join them in their camping adventures.

So, we bought a 36 or 37 foot fifth wheel and a Ford F-350 diesel to
pull it. My son also bought a fifth wheel and a new truck to pull his.

Off we all went to some place in New Hampshire. Fifty million screaming
little kids all over the place. Hottest week in years in New Hampshire
with temps in the 90's and near 100 percent humidity. Rained every
afternoon. Mosquitoes the size of Boeing 747's. One of the most
horrible weeks I've ever spent.

Dragged the fifth wheel home and immediately put it up for sale.


It's a shame your memories are so bad.

We actually had a great time, even though the days were on the warm side. That's why
God invented swimming pools and rivers to play in. Sounds like you and yours weren't
able to enjoy your trip at all.

Damn shame.

We spent almost a week at Smith Mountain Lake, then a bit over a week on a trip to
Shipsewana, IN, with a stopover in Michigan, and the past week in Solomons. We'll
spend almost another week there over the 4th of July. Just sitting and watching the
Patuxent flow by is enjoyable.

Sorry about all your bad experiences.
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

On 6/27/2015 9:52 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 08:39:32 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 6/21/2015 7:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/21/15 6:34 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:08:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

The Washington Post is reporting that Dylann Roof was given the .45
Glock by his father back in April.

By law, Roof could not purchase a firearm in SC because he
had a felony charge pending (drugs). According to the Washington Post
a FFL would have run a background check and the charge would have come
up disallowing Roof from purchasing it.

But the loophole was the private transfer. SC (along with 40 other
states) does not require a background check for personal transfers.

Seems we've had this debate before.

You reckon the dad would have filled out the paperwork before giving
the gun to the
druggie son?

We'll just let that sit, I'll be at Solomons for a week.



Solomons...ahh, just the place to be in a travel trailer when it is
85-99F outside, with high humidity. All those folks and their trailers
at the Navy Rec Center, lined up, with the A/C compressors running
24/7...blech. Don't forget to take all your guns and other hobby stuff
you don't know how to use.


Ha. Brings back memories of our very brief "camping" experience.

We've had a few RV's ... Class A and Class C motorhomes but they were
primary purchased with the thought in mind that they would be used for
traveling back and forth to Florida when we had the houses down there.
We thought they would make for leisurely trips, stopping to see the
sights so to speak. Never worked out that way. Once on the road we
got to Jupiter in two and a half days ... the same amount of time it
took to drive in a car.

Then my daughter convinced us to get a fifth wheel. Her two boys were
young at the time and she, her husband and kids loved to go "camping" in
a travel trailer they had. She talked us (and my oldest son) to
join them in their camping adventures.

So, we bought a 36 or 37 foot fifth wheel and a Ford F-350 diesel to
pull it. My son also bought a fifth wheel and a new truck to pull his.

Off we all went to some place in New Hampshire. Fifty million screaming
little kids all over the place. Hottest week in years in New Hampshire
with temps in the 90's and near 100 percent humidity. Rained every
afternoon. Mosquitoes the size of Boeing 747's. One of the most
horrible weeks I've ever spent.

Dragged the fifth wheel home and immediately put it up for sale.


It's a shame your memories are so bad.

We actually had a great time, even though the days were on the warm side. That's why
God invented swimming pools and rivers to play in. Sounds like you and yours weren't
able to enjoy your trip at all.

Damn shame.

We spent almost a week at Smith Mountain Lake, then a bit over a week on a trip to
Shipsewana, IN, with a stopover in Michigan, and the past week in Solomons. We'll
spend almost another week there over the 4th of July. Just sitting and watching the
Patuxent flow by is enjoyable.

Sorry about all your bad experiences.

Different strokes for different folks. He was lucky enough to be able to
give camping a try in all sorts of different camping vehicles. None of
them seemed to float his boat.

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."