On 6/4/15 3:22 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 21:46:18 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 6/3/15 8:12 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 20:00:31 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 6/3/15 7:51 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 19:38:12 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 6/3/15 7:30 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 13:33:57 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 10:00:37 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:


There probably are a couple of posters here who are interested in seeing
a can mounted on a Ruger Mk. III.

http://tinyurl.com/qhq5wyj

It's a SilencerCo "Sparrow" silencer. The pistol is a bull barrel Ruger
Mk. III 512. I sent it off to Volquartsen to have the barrel threaded,
and for installation of the "full" Volquartsen modification kit.

For now, I'm using CCI "Standard" .22LR ammo, a round that is subsonic
and has enough "oomph" to cycle the pistol and my .22LR semi-auto rifle.
CCI's "Quiet" ammo doesn't have enough of a charge to cycle these firearms.

There are some name-brand "suppressor" rounds out there, supposedly, but
I've only found one source for CCI's rounds, and they are grossly
overpriced.

The loudest noise you hear when firing these rounds is the sound of the
firearms' bolt cycling.

When I applied for the necessary federal tax stamp, I was advised to use
a trust on the forms, because for several unknown reasons, the ATF
approves "trust" applications quicker than "individual" applications.
From what I have read on various firearms sites, that is indeed the
case, but no one seems to know why. When you get your stamp back, it is
"mounted" on a form. The stamp is greenish blue or blueish green, and
the ATF'er who processed it writes the serial number of the silencer on
the stamp, dates it, and initials it. You have to have the stamp or a
photocopy of it on you when you are out with the silencer.

The question - who does the photo and the gun belong to?

Would you have us believe it's yours?

Good laugh.

I have no problem with the idea of owning a can but it always points
out the ridiculous levels government regulations have wrought.
This is $20 worth of metal and machining and you are getting close to
a grand by the time you get your can and make the government happy.
We are one of the few countries that even consider the can as the part
of your gun that needs the regulation.



The stamp is $200. You can easily build your own suppressor from on-line
kits for under $50, and make it legal with the stamp.

Makes you wonder why the commercial ones are $300 to $700 depending on
design and caliber then doesn't it?

BTW you can make very serviceable ones for $10 or less, depending on
what is in your junk box.



The one I have has a few interesting features and might cost $50 to
manufacture, finish, assemble, and package, but, of course, sells for
multiples of that. But that isn't much different these days for many
manufactured products.

If you like the idea of a silencer, they make sense for rimfire
calibers. I've "heard" a silencer used with subsonic AR ammo, and
thought the noise was still fairly substantial.

Rifles are "suppressed" at best. If you are a sniper, it probably
keeps people from looking right at you right away but it is far from
silent.
The 22RF can get real quiet and I have seen 9mm cans that worked
surprisingly well with subsonic ammo.

We still have a strange regulation regimen. In New Zealand, anyone
with a gun license, can buy a can for it. We seem to think a quiet gun
is deadlier than a loud one at the level as a machine gun (same form,
fee, investigation etc)
Most of the price is simply that these are not mass marketed and they
come with a huge regulatory cost., Your government at work.



What's the deal with a "New Zealand gun license"?

They get a card from the cops that lets them buy a gun, not unlike
where Richard lives but once they have it, they can also buy a
suppressor for it with "no worries".

The guy we rented the house from had a gun license. We were talking
about it after he saw my Florida CCW. He was really more interested in
how the US laws worked. He was surprised that it was as hard here to
get a suppressor as it was to get a machine gun. He didn't talk much
about his gun but I got the impression that it was a long gun.



It wasn't "hard" to get a suppressor, at least not in Maryland. It was
just the usual sort of governmental paperwork and a several month delay.

I downloaded a pre-written "trust" document, filled in a few blank
spaces with personal info, had the branch manager at my bank notarize my
signature, and turned the trust paperwork over to the gun dealer from
whom I bought the suppressor. He sent the forms and my $200 for the
stamp to the ATF.

I called the ATF once while I was waiting to find out just what the
agency was doing to process applications. The only answer I got was "We
have lots of applications and a very small staff."

Silencerco includes a nice little olive drab belt pouch with its Sparrow
silencer, a size that will also work with a mini-flashlight. Can't
imagine walking around with a silencer on my belt.

Apparently Maryland is doing away with collecting a shell casing from
any new handgun sold in the state, but the seven day waiting period
between buying a handgun and picking it up remains. New rifle transfers
are "instant," assuming you pass the phone call check, and
sales/transfers of used rifles between state residents still require no
government involvement or paperwork. It's a weird patchwork of regs.

On Thursday, June 4, 2015 at 9:51:08 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 06:48:10 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 6/4/15 3:22 AM, wrote:

What's the deal with a "New Zealand gun license"?

They get a card from the cops that lets them buy a gun, not unlike
where Richard lives but once they have it, they can also buy a
suppressor for it with "no worries".

The guy we rented the house from had a gun license. We were talking
about it after he saw my Florida CCW. He was really more interested in
how the US laws worked. He was surprised that it was as hard here to
get a suppressor as it was to get a machine gun. He didn't talk much
about his gun but I got the impression that it was a long gun.



It wasn't "hard" to get a suppressor, at least not in Maryland. It was
just the usual sort of governmental paperwork and a several month delay.

I downloaded a pre-written "trust" document, filled in a few blank
spaces with personal info, had the branch manager at my bank notarize my
signature, and turned the trust paperwork over to the gun dealer from
whom I bought the suppressor. He sent the forms and my $200 for the
stamp to the ATF.

I called the ATF once while I was waiting to find out just what the
agency was doing to process applications. The only answer I got was "We
have lots of applications and a very small staff."

Silencerco includes a nice little olive drab belt pouch with its Sparrow
silencer, a size that will also work with a mini-flashlight. Can't
imagine walking around with a silencer on my belt.

Apparently Maryland is doing away with collecting a shell casing from
any new handgun sold in the state, but the seven day waiting period
between buying a handgun and picking it up remains. New rifle transfers
are "instant," assuming you pass the phone call check, and
sales/transfers of used rifles between state residents still require no
government involvement or paperwork. It's a weird patchwork of regs.




I am familiar with the Form 4 process, I had a machine gun and I had
it as an individual.
It almost makes sense for a machine gun but going through all of that
bureaucracy for a can is just stupid.

It's the government, it doesn't have to make sense. Look at the ban that was imposed on AR's. Primarily because they are nearly impossible to conceal, AR's are rarely used in the commission of a crime, but they were targeted by the gov. Stupid.