Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/1/15 5:25 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/1/15 3:14 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:



Some of us did what we could to help bring about the end of segregation
and others went off to SE Asia to kill people who in reality meant us no harm.

What would you have done with a draft notice?


To the best of my recollection of those times, the notice would have told
me to present myself at a local facility for a pre-induction physical. If
that's correct, then that is what I would have done, of course.

I keep telling you boys that something less than about a third of
age-eligible males were drafted. My only legal responsibility in the
draft during the time period was to let my draft board know my address so
it could reach me if it so desired, and I did so, with
registered/certified letters and return receipts. My draft board never bothered me.

Of all the guys I knew well from high school and college, only a handful
were drafted. When we have our summer get-togethers in New Haven, and
there are upwards of 50 old friends at these events, there were only two
I recall who were drafted or enlisted to avoid the draft.

We would have been better served as a nation if a huge percentage of
those actually drafted had refused to kill Vietnamese and had sought
military C.O. jobs during that idiotic war. The North Vietnamese were
never a threat to us in any way.

It's too bad Dubya didn't realize the stupidity of what he was doing in Iraq, eh?

Deferring'. What would you have done if you received the notice. And it
did not tell you to report for a preinduction physical. That was a
separate notice. The draft notice told you to report for induction. They
might not keep you after induction, but you were inducted. Friend was
drafted and sent home as he was too tall. Too tall, too short, too big of
feet, and the supplies did not fit you.


D'oh. If I got such a notice, I would have showed up, as directed. That
should have been clear from my previous answer. You fellas seem to have a
lot of trouble reading, comprehending and abstracting uncomplicated sentences.

Why would you show up? You seem to hate all those who did.

On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 11:42:36 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

D'oh. If I got such a notice, I would have showed up, as directed. That
should have been clear from my previous answer. You fellas seem to have a
lot of trouble reading, comprehending and abstracting uncomplicated sentences.

Why would you show up? You seem to hate all those who did.

===

My guess is that he was 4F for mental or emotional reasons. Of course
it's also possible that he found a friendly, like minded medical
doctor who concocted a "history" for him.

On 6/2/15 12:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/1/15 5:25 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/1/15 3:14 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:



Some of us did what we could to help bring about the end of segregation
and others went off to SE Asia to kill people who in reality meant us no harm.

What would you have done with a draft notice?


To the best of my recollection of those times, the notice would have told
me to present myself at a local facility for a pre-induction physical. If
that's correct, then that is what I would have done, of course.

I keep telling you boys that something less than about a third of
age-eligible males were drafted. My only legal responsibility in the
draft during the time period was to let my draft board know my address so
it could reach me if it so desired, and I did so, with
registered/certified letters and return receipts. My draft board never bothered me.

Of all the guys I knew well from high school and college, only a handful
were drafted. When we have our summer get-togethers in New Haven, and
there are upwards of 50 old friends at these events, there were only two
I recall who were drafted or enlisted to avoid the draft.

We would have been better served as a nation if a huge percentage of
those actually drafted had refused to kill Vietnamese and had sought
military C.O. jobs during that idiotic war. The North Vietnamese were
never a threat to us in any way.

It's too bad Dubya didn't realize the stupidity of what he was doing in Iraq, eh?

Deferring'. What would you have done if you received the notice. And it
did not tell you to report for a preinduction physical. That was a
separate notice. The draft notice told you to report for induction. They
might not keep you after induction, but you were inducted. Friend was
drafted and sent home as he was too tall. Too tall, too short, too big of
feet, and the supplies did not fit you.


D'oh. If I got such a notice, I would have showed up, as directed. That
should have been clear from my previous answer. You fellas seem to have a
lot of trouble reading, comprehending and abstracting uncomplicated sentences.

Why would you show up? You seem to hate all those who did.



1. I would have shown up because I wasn't a draft dodger or evader. I
simply wasn't drafted. That's all there is to it.

2. No, I don't. I had little respect for the institution of the military
and its leadership during the Vietnam era and also during Dubya's two
wars because they apparently did not tell the presidents at the time,
privately, of course, that what they were doing was deadly folly.

I don't have any issues with the men and women who served, well, other
than the assholes here who served, but my disdain for them isn't related
to their time in uniform, for the most part, though I do wonder how many
non-combatant SE Asians one of them in particular helped kill.

Perhaps you should avoid political discussions. You don't seem to
comprehend what you read. I said from the start that I took no measures
to avoid the draft and that I would have shown up if I had gotten the
call. You seem to have trouble understanding that.

On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 14:38:32 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

I said from the start that I took no measures
to avoid the draft and that I would have shown up if I had gotten the
call. You seem to have trouble understanding that.

===

You misunderstand. We have trouble believing that.

On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 17:05:37 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 14:38:32 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

I said from the start that I took no measures
to avoid the draft and that I would have shown up if I had gotten the
call. You seem to have trouble understanding that.

===

You misunderstand. We have trouble believing that.

Amen.
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

On 6/2/15 5:40 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 17:05:37 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 14:38:32 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

I said from the start that I took no measures
to avoid the draft and that I would have shown up if I had gotten the
call. You seem to have trouble understanding that.

===

You misunderstand. We have trouble believing that.

Amen.

Oh, right, because what the right-wingers think matters to me...not an
iota.

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/2/15 12:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/1/15 5:25 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/1/15 3:14 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:



Some of us did what we could to help bring about the end of segregation
and others went off to SE Asia to kill people who in reality meant us no harm.

What would you have done with a draft notice?


To the best of my recollection of those times, the notice would have told
me to present myself at a local facility for a pre-induction physical. If
that's correct, then that is what I would have done, of course.

I keep telling you boys that something less than about a third of
age-eligible males were drafted. My only legal responsibility in the
draft during the time period was to let my draft board know my address so
it could reach me if it so desired, and I did so, with
registered/certified letters and return receipts. My draft board never bothered me.

Of all the guys I knew well from high school and college, only a handful
were drafted. When we have our summer get-togethers in New Haven, and
there are upwards of 50 old friends at these events, there were only two
I recall who were drafted or enlisted to avoid the draft.

We would have been better served as a nation if a huge percentage of
those actually drafted had refused to kill Vietnamese and had sought
military C.O. jobs during that idiotic war. The North Vietnamese were
never a threat to us in any way.

It's too bad Dubya didn't realize the stupidity of what he was doing in Iraq, eh?

Deferring'. What would you have done if you received the notice. And it
did not tell you to report for a preinduction physical. That was a
separate notice. The draft notice told you to report for induction. They
might not keep you after induction, but you were inducted. Friend was
drafted and sent home as he was too tall. Too tall, too short, too big of
feet, and the supplies did not fit you.


D'oh. If I got such a notice, I would have showed up, as directed. That
should have been clear from my previous answer. You fellas seem to have a
lot of trouble reading, comprehending and abstracting uncomplicated sentences.

Why would you show up? You seem to hate all those who did.



1. I would have shown up because I wasn't a draft dodger or evader. I
simply wasn't drafted. That's all there is to it.

2. No, I don't. I had little respect for the institution of the military
and its leadership during the Vietnam era and also during Dubya's two
wars because they apparently did not tell the presidents at the time,
privately, of course, that what they were doing was deadly folly.

I don't have any issues with the men and women who served, well, other
than the assholes here who served, but my disdain for them isn't related
to their time in uniform, for the most part, though I do wonder how many
non-combatant SE Asians one of them in particular helped kill.

Perhaps you should avoid political discussions. You don't seem to
comprehend what you read. I said from the start that I took no measures
to avoid the draft and that I would have shown up if I had gotten the
call. You seem to have trouble understanding that.

A bunch of BS.

On 6/3/15 6:19 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/2/15 12:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/1/15 5:25 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/1/15 3:14 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:



Some of us did what we could to help bring about the end of segregation
and others went off to SE Asia to kill people who in reality meant us no harm.

What would you have done with a draft notice?


To the best of my recollection of those times, the notice would have told
me to present myself at a local facility for a pre-induction physical. If
that's correct, then that is what I would have done, of course.

I keep telling you boys that something less than about a third of
age-eligible males were drafted. My only legal responsibility in the
draft during the time period was to let my draft board know my address so
it could reach me if it so desired, and I did so, with
registered/certified letters and return receipts. My draft board never bothered me.

Of all the guys I knew well from high school and college, only a handful
were drafted. When we have our summer get-togethers in New Haven, and
there are upwards of 50 old friends at these events, there were only two
I recall who were drafted or enlisted to avoid the draft.

We would have been better served as a nation if a huge percentage of
those actually drafted had refused to kill Vietnamese and had sought
military C.O. jobs during that idiotic war. The North Vietnamese were
never a threat to us in any way.

It's too bad Dubya didn't realize the stupidity of what he was doing in Iraq, eh?

Deferring'. What would you have done if you received the notice. And it
did not tell you to report for a preinduction physical. That was a
separate notice. The draft notice told you to report for induction. They
might not keep you after induction, but you were inducted. Friend was
drafted and sent home as he was too tall. Too tall, too short, too big of
feet, and the supplies did not fit you.


D'oh. If I got such a notice, I would have showed up, as directed. That
should have been clear from my previous answer. You fellas seem to have a
lot of trouble reading, comprehending and abstracting uncomplicated sentences.

Why would you show up? You seem to hate all those who did.



1. I would have shown up because I wasn't a draft dodger or evader. I
simply wasn't drafted. That's all there is to it.

2. No, I don't. I had little respect for the institution of the military
and its leadership during the Vietnam era and also during Dubya's two
wars because they apparently did not tell the presidents at the time,
privately, of course, that what they were doing was deadly folly.

I don't have any issues with the men and women who served, well, other
than the assholes here who served, but my disdain for them isn't related
to their time in uniform, for the most part, though I do wonder how many
non-combatant SE Asians one of them in particular helped kill.

Perhaps you should avoid political discussions. You don't seem to
comprehend what you read. I said from the start that I took no measures
to avoid the draft and that I would have shown up if I had gotten the
call. You seem to have trouble understanding that.

A bunch of BS.


As I have stated several times, you have serious reading comprehension
problems. The alternative is that you are just plain stupid.

Once again, I wasn't drafted. That's all there is to it. I certainly
wasn't dumb enough to "volunteer" to serve in a military engaged in a
morally repugnant war against a people who represented no threat to us
and, in fact, had no interest in us. Our arrogance led us into taking
over a task the French failed to achieve, the reintroduction of
colonialism in SE Asia. Early on, it was apparent the government we were
propping up there was horribly corrupt.

We didn't learn our lessons there, though, what with Dubya's
"adventures" in Iraq and Afghanistan.

On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 18:54:39 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Our arrogance led us into taking
over a task the French failed to achieve, the reintroduction of
colonialism in SE Asia. Early on, it was apparent the government we were
propping up there was horribly corrupt.

===

Both of the presidents that got us into the Vietnam war were card
carrying members of the Democratic political party as I recall.

A vote for Hillary would bring more of the same.

Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 18:54:39 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Our arrogance led us into taking
over a task the French failed to achieve, the reintroduction of
colonialism in SE Asia. Early on, it was apparent the government we were
propping up there was horribly corrupt.

===

Both of the presidents that got us into the Vietnam war were card
carrying members of the Democratic political party as I recall.

A vote for Hillary would bring more of the same.

Actually Ike was the first one to really crank it up. Truman screwed the
pooch by letting the French back in to IndoChina. Ike ignored the only
really good advice DeGulle ever spoke. After the French Foreign Legion
with American Ammunition being supplied got crushed, DeGulle told Ike to
just stay out. But Ike did not.