Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/25/15 6:32 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/25/15 12:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/24/15 11:51 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:



Sometimes your comments suggest that you have never had to compete for
business or to make a living.

It's not that the USA has changed all that much. It's the fact that
the rest of the world has caught up in terms of productivity due to the
development of manufacturing technology. It makes
absolutely no sense for a corporation in the USA to have costs that are
ten times that of an offshore source for the same product. Even if they
tried for "moral" or patriotic reasons, they stand the risk of going out
of business. It's simple economics.

The way I see it, the only competitive advantage that exists in the USA
today is in some advanced technology areas and service related
industries. The latter won't always be so as more and more people find
themselves with less disposable income to pay for said services.
Advanced technology areas are also at risk due to a general brain drain
and loss of historical corporate knowledge.

You seem to think that corporate America can still operate the way it
did 30 years ago. To think they call me Luddite.



The US has changed a lot. The middle class is disintegrating, more and
more of the nation's wealth is being concentrated in the pockets of the
rich, college has become too expensive, lower and middle income workers
cannot live a decent life and save for retirement, the Republicans want
to take away what little remains of the safety net...we're heading for an upheaval.

Maybe it is the unionized colleges that are raising costs excessively.


Maybe your post is just another example of your Fox News mentality - aka,
"ignorance uber alles"

No answer I see. Try to deflect.


I'm supposed to respond to a premise steeped in ignorance? Do you have
some evidence the faculty at "unionized colleges" is paid excessively in
comparison to their colleagues at similar stature non-unionized colleges?
And what do you believe is decent pay for full-time college/university
faculty members, anyway?

Decent pay is a hell of a lot less than the California university system is
paying. $180k a year for less than 30 hour week, with summers off. And
most teaching by TA's. Yup overpaid!

On 5/26/15 1:15 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/25/15 6:32 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/25/15 12:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/24/15 11:51 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:



Sometimes your comments suggest that you have never had to compete for
business or to make a living.

It's not that the USA has changed all that much. It's the fact that
the rest of the world has caught up in terms of productivity due to the
development of manufacturing technology. It makes
absolutely no sense for a corporation in the USA to have costs that are
ten times that of an offshore source for the same product. Even if they
tried for "moral" or patriotic reasons, they stand the risk of going out
of business. It's simple economics.

The way I see it, the only competitive advantage that exists in the USA
today is in some advanced technology areas and service related
industries. The latter won't always be so as more and more people find
themselves with less disposable income to pay for said services.
Advanced technology areas are also at risk due to a general brain drain
and loss of historical corporate knowledge.

You seem to think that corporate America can still operate the way it
did 30 years ago. To think they call me Luddite.



The US has changed a lot. The middle class is disintegrating, more and
more of the nation's wealth is being concentrated in the pockets of the
rich, college has become too expensive, lower and middle income workers
cannot live a decent life and save for retirement, the Republicans want
to take away what little remains of the safety net...we're heading for an upheaval.

Maybe it is the unionized colleges that are raising costs excessively.


Maybe your post is just another example of your Fox News mentality - aka,
"ignorance uber alles"

No answer I see. Try to deflect.


I'm supposed to respond to a premise steeped in ignorance? Do you have
some evidence the faculty at "unionized colleges" is paid excessively in
comparison to their colleagues at similar stature non-unionized colleges?
And what do you believe is decent pay for full-time college/university
faculty members, anyway?

Decent pay is a hell of a lot less than the California university system is
paying. $180k a year for less than 30 hour week, with summers off. And
most teaching by TA's. Yup overpaid!



Awwww. So, highly educated professors put in 30 hours in the classroom
and at least two hours of preparation and research outside of the
classroom for each hour in, and that's more than you ever earned, and
you're ****ed. Too bad. Oh, and the average annual salary for a full
professor is under $100,000 a year. And most teaching is not done by
TA's, although TA's are more active in the lower level classes.

In your next life, perhaps you can be a political science professor.

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/26/15 1:15 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/25/15 6:32 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/25/15 12:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/24/15 11:51 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:



Sometimes your comments suggest that you have never had to compete for
business or to make a living.

It's not that the USA has changed all that much. It's the fact that
the rest of the world has caught up in terms of productivity due to the
development of manufacturing technology. It makes
absolutely no sense for a corporation in the USA to have costs that are
ten times that of an offshore source for the same product. Even if they
tried for "moral" or patriotic reasons, they stand the risk of going out
of business. It's simple economics.

The way I see it, the only competitive advantage that exists in the USA
today is in some advanced technology areas and service related
industries. The latter won't always be so as more and more people find
themselves with less disposable income to pay for said services.
Advanced technology areas are also at risk due to a general brain drain
and loss of historical corporate knowledge.

You seem to think that corporate America can still operate the way it
did 30 years ago. To think they call me Luddite.



The US has changed a lot. The middle class is disintegrating, more and
more of the nation's wealth is being concentrated in the pockets of the
rich, college has become too expensive, lower and middle income workers
cannot live a decent life and save for retirement, the Republicans want
to take away what little remains of the safety net...we're heading for an upheaval.

Maybe it is the unionized colleges that are raising costs excessively.


Maybe your post is just another example of your Fox News mentality - aka,
"ignorance uber alles"

No answer I see. Try to deflect.


I'm supposed to respond to a premise steeped in ignorance? Do you have
some evidence the faculty at "unionized colleges" is paid excessively in
comparison to their colleagues at similar stature non-unionized colleges?
And what do you believe is decent pay for full-time college/university
faculty members, anyway?

Decent pay is a hell of a lot less than the California university system is
paying. $180k a year for less than 30 hour week, with summers off. And
most teaching by TA's. Yup overpaid!



Awwww. So, highly educated professors put in 30 hours in the classroom
and at least two hours of preparation and research outside of the
classroom for each hour in, and that's more than you ever earned, and
you're ****ed. Too bad. Oh, and the average annual salary for a full
professor is under $100,000 a year. And most teaching is not done by
TA's, although TA's are more active in the lower level classes.

In your next life, perhaps you can be a political science professor.

Average includes part time profs. And you know how much I was paid? And
if it is full time profs, then California Profs are really overpaid!

On 5/26/15 12:27 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/26/15 1:15 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/25/15 6:32 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/25/15 12:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/24/15 11:51 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:



Sometimes your comments suggest that you have never had to compete for
business or to make a living.

It's not that the USA has changed all that much. It's the fact that
the rest of the world has caught up in terms of productivity due to the
development of manufacturing technology. It makes
absolutely no sense for a corporation in the USA to have costs that are
ten times that of an offshore source for the same product. Even if they
tried for "moral" or patriotic reasons, they stand the risk of going out
of business. It's simple economics.

The way I see it, the only competitive advantage that exists in the USA
today is in some advanced technology areas and service related
industries. The latter won't always be so as more and more people find
themselves with less disposable income to pay for said services.
Advanced technology areas are also at risk due to a general brain drain
and loss of historical corporate knowledge.

You seem to think that corporate America can still operate the way it
did 30 years ago. To think they call me Luddite.



The US has changed a lot. The middle class is disintegrating, more and
more of the nation's wealth is being concentrated in the pockets of the
rich, college has become too expensive, lower and middle income workers
cannot live a decent life and save for retirement, the Republicans want
to take away what little remains of the safety net...we're heading for an upheaval.

Maybe it is the unionized colleges that are raising costs excessively.


Maybe your post is just another example of your Fox News mentality - aka,
"ignorance uber alles"

No answer I see. Try to deflect.


I'm supposed to respond to a premise steeped in ignorance? Do you have
some evidence the faculty at "unionized colleges" is paid excessively in
comparison to their colleagues at similar stature non-unionized colleges?
And what do you believe is decent pay for full-time college/university
faculty members, anyway?

Decent pay is a hell of a lot less than the California university system is
paying. $180k a year for less than 30 hour week, with summers off. And
most teaching by TA's. Yup overpaid!



Awwww. So, highly educated professors put in 30 hours in the classroom
and at least two hours of preparation and research outside of the
classroom for each hour in, and that's more than you ever earned, and
you're ****ed. Too bad. Oh, and the average annual salary for a full
professor is under $100,000 a year. And most teaching is not done by
TA's, although TA's are more active in the lower level classes.

In your next life, perhaps you can be a political science professor.

Average includes part time profs. And you know how much I was paid? And
if it is full time profs, then California Profs are really overpaid!



Doubtful if the stats include part-timers, aka adjuncts, who are
notoriously and grossly underpaid.

As for your opinion about professors being overpaid, well, that is
nothing more than your opinion.

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/26/15 12:27 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/26/15 1:15 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/25/15 6:32 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/25/15 12:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/24/15 11:51 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:



Sometimes your comments suggest that you have never had to compete for
business or to make a living.

It's not that the USA has changed all that much. It's the fact that
the rest of the world has caught up in terms of productivity due to the
development of manufacturing technology. It makes
absolutely no sense for a corporation in the USA to have costs that are
ten times that of an offshore source for the same product. Even if they
tried for "moral" or patriotic reasons, they stand the risk of going out
of business. It's simple economics.

The way I see it, the only competitive advantage that exists in the USA
today is in some advanced technology areas and service related
industries. The latter won't always be so as more and more people find
themselves with less disposable income to pay for said services.
Advanced technology areas are also at risk due to a general brain drain
and loss of historical corporate knowledge.

You seem to think that corporate America can still operate the way it
did 30 years ago. To think they call me Luddite.



The US has changed a lot. The middle class is disintegrating, more and
more of the nation's wealth is being concentrated in the pockets of the
rich, college has become too expensive, lower and middle income workers
cannot live a decent life and save for retirement, the Republicans want
to take away what little remains of the safety net...we're heading for an upheaval.

Maybe it is the unionized colleges that are raising costs excessively.


Maybe your post is just another example of your Fox News mentality - aka,
"ignorance uber alles"

No answer I see. Try to deflect.


I'm supposed to respond to a premise steeped in ignorance? Do you have
some evidence the faculty at "unionized colleges" is paid excessively in
comparison to their colleagues at similar stature non-unionized colleges?
And what do you believe is decent pay for full-time college/university
faculty members, anyway?

Decent pay is a hell of a lot less than the California university system is
paying. $180k a year for less than 30 hour week, with summers off. And
most teaching by TA's. Yup overpaid!



Awwww. So, highly educated professors put in 30 hours in the classroom
and at least two hours of preparation and research outside of the
classroom for each hour in, and that's more than you ever earned, and
you're ****ed. Too bad. Oh, and the average annual salary for a full
professor is under $100,000 a year. And most teaching is not done by
TA's, although TA's are more active in the lower level classes.

In your next life, perhaps you can be a political science professor.

Average includes part time profs. And you know how much I was paid? And
if it is full time profs, then California Profs are really overpaid!



Doubtful if the stats include part-timers, aka adjuncts, who are
notoriously and grossly underpaid.

As for your opinion about professors being overpaid, well, that is
nothing more than your opinion.

Your opinion they are underpaid.

Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/26/15 12:27 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/26/15 1:15 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/25/15 6:32 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/25/15 12:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/24/15 11:51 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:



Sometimes your comments suggest that you have never had to compete for
business or to make a living.

It's not that the USA has changed all that much. It's the fact that
the rest of the world has caught up in terms of productivity due to the
development of manufacturing technology. It makes
absolutely no sense for a corporation in the USA to have costs that are
ten times that of an offshore source for the same product. Even if they
tried for "moral" or patriotic reasons, they stand the risk of going out
of business. It's simple economics.

The way I see it, the only competitive advantage that exists in the USA
today is in some advanced technology areas and service related
industries. The latter won't always be so as more and more people find
themselves with less disposable income to pay for said services.
Advanced technology areas are also at risk due to a general brain drain
and loss of historical corporate knowledge.

You seem to think that corporate America can still operate the way it
did 30 years ago. To think they call me Luddite.



The US has changed a lot. The middle class is disintegrating, more and
more of the nation's wealth is being concentrated in the pockets of the
rich, college has become too expensive, lower and middle income workers
cannot live a decent life and save for retirement, the Republicans want
to take away what little remains of the safety net...we're heading for an
upheaval.

Maybe it is the unionized colleges that are raising costs excessively.


Maybe your post is just another example of your Fox News mentality - aka,
"ignorance uber alles"

No answer I see. Try to deflect.


I'm supposed to respond to a premise steeped in ignorance? Do you have
some evidence the faculty at "unionized colleges" is paid excessively in
comparison to their colleagues at similar stature non-unionized colleges?
And what do you believe is decent pay for full-time college/university
faculty members, anyway?

Decent pay is a hell of a lot less than the California university system is
paying. $180k a year for less than 30 hour week, with summers off. And
most teaching by TA's. Yup overpaid!



Awwww. So, highly educated professors put in 30 hours in the classroom
and at least two hours of preparation and research outside of the
classroom for each hour in, and that's more than you ever earned, and
you're ****ed. Too bad. Oh, and the average annual salary for a full
professor is under $100,000 a year. And most teaching is not done by
TA's, although TA's are more active in the lower level classes.

In your next life, perhaps you can be a political science professor.

Average includes part time profs. And you know how much I was paid? And
if it is full time profs, then California Profs are really overpaid!



Doubtful if the stats include part-timers, aka adjuncts, who are
notoriously and grossly underpaid.

As for your opinion about professors being overpaid, well, that is
nothing more than your opinion.

Your opinion they are underpaid.

Adjuncts are underpaid. I did not comment further. Are you on LSD?
--
Sent from my iPhone 6+

Keyser Söze wrote:
Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/26/15 12:27 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/26/15 1:15 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/25/15 6:32 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/25/15 12:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 5/24/15 11:51 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:



Sometimes your comments suggest that you have never had to compete for
business or to make a living.

It's not that the USA has changed all that much. It's the fact that
the rest of the world has caught up in terms of productivity due to the
development of manufacturing technology. It makes
absolutely no sense for a corporation in the USA to have costs that are
ten times that of an offshore source for the same product. Even if they
tried for "moral" or patriotic reasons, they stand the risk of going out
of business. It's simple economics.

The way I see it, the only competitive advantage that exists in the USA
today is in some advanced technology areas and service related
industries. The latter won't always be so as more and more people find
themselves with less disposable income to pay for said services.
Advanced technology areas are also at risk due to a general brain drain
and loss of historical corporate knowledge.

You seem to think that corporate America can still operate the way it
did 30 years ago. To think they call me Luddite.



The US has changed a lot. The middle class is disintegrating, more and
more of the nation's wealth is being concentrated in the pockets of the
rich, college has become too expensive, lower and middle income workers
cannot live a decent life and save for retirement, the Republicans want
to take away what little remains of the safety net...we're heading for an
upheaval.

Maybe it is the unionized colleges that are raising costs excessively.


Maybe your post is just another example of your Fox News mentality - aka,
"ignorance uber alles"

No answer I see. Try to deflect.


I'm supposed to respond to a premise steeped in ignorance? Do you have
some evidence the faculty at "unionized colleges" is paid excessively in
comparison to their colleagues at similar stature non-unionized colleges?
And what do you believe is decent pay for full-time college/university
faculty members, anyway?

Decent pay is a hell of a lot less than the California university system is
paying. $180k a year for less than 30 hour week, with summers off. And
most teaching by TA's. Yup overpaid!



Awwww. So, highly educated professors put in 30 hours in the classroom
and at least two hours of preparation and research outside of the
classroom for each hour in, and that's more than you ever earned, and
you're ****ed. Too bad. Oh, and the average annual salary for a full
professor is under $100,000 a year. And most teaching is not done by
TA's, although TA's are more active in the lower level classes.

In your next life, perhaps you can be a political science professor.

Average includes part time profs. And you know how much I was paid? And
if it is full time profs, then California Profs are really overpaid!



Doubtful if the stats include part-timers, aka adjuncts, who are
notoriously and grossly underpaid.

As for your opinion about professors being overpaid, well, that is
nothing more than your opinion.

Your opinion they are underpaid.

Adjuncts are underpaid. I did not comment further. Are you on LSD?

Are you drunk again?